Is having natal Saturn in the 4th house somehow bad? Mystic advises a new mother who’s worried her newborn baby has this placement. Summary: It’s fine!
I am pretty embarrassed to be sending you this email, as I know you receive tons of emails from people having astro freakouts, but I just had a baby (2 weeks ago) and I am v hormonal so please be gentle with me.
Ok, so I obviously looked up my daughter’s chart and she has Saturn in the 4th house. Now I’m freaking out that this means that either my partner or I am going to die while she’s young! Is this placement a parental death sentence? Googling it gave mixed reviews but it was definitely my first thought. Or does it mean that her home life is adverse? That is another definition I saw.
I would really appreciate any insight into this placement.
So Mutable it Hurts
Dear So Mutable It Hurts,
Congratulations on your baby! And yes, hormones can be hell. Get yourself a good practitioner for herbs, acupuncture, support, nutrition, the Everything. As for the little girl’s astrology, Saturn in the 4th is a non-issue.
FYI, this is the delineation for it from my Astral DNA Instant Birth Chart Report.
Saturn in The Fourth House
Some 4th House Saturn people look at evidently contented families and think “Stockholm syndrome.” Or else they look away. Saturn at the ‘root’ sector of your birth chart can indicate a harsh but effective early schooling in the less salubrious side of human nature. Then again, you could have been raised in a tightly calibrated, high-strung household where you had to practice violin every day without fail, and your parents were remote. Whatever went down, you can be super tetchy about your family, childhood home, ancestors, and lineage.
In some happy cases, this placement reflects a sagacious Saturn influence, in which case you would have been guided by wise elders and/or enjoyed the tutelage of a true sage, a high Saturn type. The French pianist and wolf scholar/conservationist (she studies, rescues, and raises them) Helene Grimaud is an interesting example of Haute Saturn in the 4th House. She describes her childhood as “agitated,” had poorly understood synesthesia, and began professional-focus piano lessons from the age of nine.
Real estate in any form can seem like more of a burden to you than it possibly is, or you could be vexed by paucity consciousness and an unwillingness to ‘put yourself forward’ when it comes to securing your haven. Think about this – your Saturn house is the one that starts shadowed or tarnished, but with effort (grind and humility are the only factors known to work with Saturn), you make it gleaming.
As you can see, it can manifest in various fashions. Googling planetary placements can take you to some very strange places. For a start, some people project their personal issues into interpretations or are unnecessarily fatalistic.
And, a single planetary placement delineation is, by necessity, out of context. Unavoidably, you end up with massively conflicting statements. Take me: My Mars-Pluto in the 8th House would be interpreted as “you are a vicious sociopath who should be under 24-hour police watch” or gloomy warnings about sexual manipulations and dark desires. Then my Venus Neptune trine would talk of my “sweet little innocent naive nature that was so easily ensnared by unscrupulous people.” I am paraphrasing but you get the idea.
And some people – many people – cannot actually write about Saturn or Pluto without losing their composure. Or they go off medieval astrology. Yes, in the Dark Ages Saturn in the 4th would probably indicate something dire and Iam quite sure Saturn in the 9th would see you packed off to the Crusades with a bloody pitchfork. Saturn in the 12th? Maybe you lived in some hell-hole of a nunnery?
Saturn in the 4th can often mean your parents are Saturnine in their education and schooling of you. You get educated, your teeth get sorted and you can sing, ride, ski or whatever else your parents deem appropriate. Or that you come from an illustrious, Saturn-style family.
Some examples of Saturn in the 4th: Gwyneth Paltrow, Lorde, Harry Styles, Emma Watson.
You could be proactive about it and see your girl’s Saturn as her thriving with structure around her. And remember, most of all, you cannot just pick one astro-factor in isolation to freak out about.
What does everyone else think?
Image: Jim Buckels – Druid Point