The Real Southern Hemisphere Astrology

If you were born in the Southern Hemisphere, your birth chart is not completely accurate. And no, not because of any 13th sign or peripheral factor. It’s an inbuilt bias that applies Northern hemisphere settings to every chart.

There are practical, political, and magical dimensions to this situation.  Astrology as we know it is seen through Northern Hemisphere optics because “that’s where it started.” When I was learning astrology, any North-South anomaly questions were treated like minor heresies: “It’s just how it is.

The birth chart – which should be a flat map of the Sun, Moon, planets, constellations, and stars when you were born – is done for everyone as if they were Northern hemisphere births.  That is, the Sun rises in the East and crosses the Southern sky from left to right, AKA clockwise.

Or, to use an old folk term,  Sun-wise. Anti-clockwise is akin to being left-handed, sinister, and evil or – at least – inferior. In old traditions, anti-clockwise is the direction you walk in – three times around a church – if you want to raise hell.

In the Southern hemisphere, the Sun also rises in the East but we see it as crossing the Northern sky from right to left. Widdershins! I feel flustered by any mention of this as I’m left-handed and even now, in the digital era, the occasional person will note it as ‘aberrant.’  So in the Southern hemisphere birth chart, the houses run counter-clockwise. See the image here, for example, using Aquarius Rising.

Anti-Clockwise Was Considered Sinister, Like Left-Handed People

Additionally, the Tropical Zodiac signs run along with the Northern Hemisphere seasons. Aries = Spring, Libra is Autumn, Capricorn – starting at the Northern Winter Solstice – is credited with a suitably austere temperament, and so on.  That is why you sometimes read something about a sign from a Southern Hemisphere perspective and it doesn’t resonate.

Does this mean that your Sun sign should be different? Eg: Libra becomes Aries, Taurus is now Scorpio, and so on? No. If the Sun was in Taurus when you were born, that is where it was. Is there a case for Southern Taurus as being a temperamentally different creature to Northern Taurus. Possibly. But the seasons have blurred into weather. We don’t live so much in harmony with nature that you airily ascribe Zodiac sign characteristics to the person’s harvest birth or Summer nature.

Additionally, there are so many other dimensions. A Taurus with Pluto in tight aspect or a big 8th house presence will seem Scorpionic even if they were birthed in a daisy paddock on Beltane in the Northern Summer.

The Moon’s Nodes Are Flipped If You Were Born Below The Equator

Practically, the main Southern Hemisphere difference is that the Southern hemisphere Moon’s Nodes are reversed: the Ascending – or North – Node that shows in astrological charts* is the South Node if you were born below the equator. Nobody talks about this because it is just assumed that to be “how it is.” Why does it matter?

It may seem semantic but representation is important. Every time you have to adjust something in your mind for it to be relevant, it affirms that something irrevocably not you is “the top” or “correct.” When I first really looked into this and confirmed the Moon’s Node flip, I was melancholy because I did not want my Gemini Node to be the “bad” one. It’s not, of course, and nor would the opposite Node – Sagittarius – be debilitating or negative if it were the South one.

But that was my first thought because North-South bias is everywhere, even though it is totally illogical. It’s up there with some of the gloomier takes on “Yin” as the abysmal, passive counterpart to the brightness of “Yang.”  They were even combined on occasion, as in this upbeat little rant.

“Gone South” is a metaphor for situations in decline or disarray. The perspective of the observer is assumed to be the Northern hemisphere, which is apparently “up.”  Multiple cultural assumptions are made along the lines of North equating to logic or work ethic, while the South represents unruly passion and lack of ambition.

If you think that has a whiff of colonialism, yes. This Italian site has an ultra-rigorous, rich read on the ‘hegemonic dogma’ that is irrationally encoded into astrology “against all mathematical and sensible evidence.”

It’s too large a topic for a blog post but conquerors raze temples to the ground so they can erect a structure to their religion. Missionaries follow in their wake, helpfully ‘translating’ old texts and making edits where they deem appropriate.  The people ‘gradually convert’ and ancient star-lines, mountains, and stories are forgotten or renamed after the so-called saviors.

Ancient Star Lines Are Forgotten Or Erased

There are some fabulous Northern astral sagas but Southern Hemisphere people end up reading more about constellations they never – or barely – see than their stars. In many cases, Southern star systems were renamed and the old associations lost. An example:  ‘Arctic’ means bear and comes from the constellations that revolve around the North Pole, Ursa Major, and Ursa Minor. “Antarctic” just means “opposite to the Arctic.” No story, no glory.

It is not only a Western astrology thing. Feng Shui is based on the central and most commonly visible constellations of old China. The stars and planetary cycles that the ancient pyramids and temples of many cultures were aligned to were the ones they knew, not those they’d only heard of.

Is the concept of following your “true North” or “North Star” as resonant when Polaris – the current North Pole star -is invisible from your latitude? Imaginatively, the South Star is called Polaris Australis. It is not as bright nor close to the South Pole as Polaris is to the North – nobody really rates it. But it’s conjunct the Galactic Center, which, in the Southern Hemisphere,  is overhead.

The South Pole Star Is Conjunct The Galactic Center

This point was seen as the origin of ‘the worlds’ well before astrophysics and hyper-powered telescopes could confirm it.  In the olden days, circumpolar stars and constellations were worshipped because they never set. People saw them as enchanted embodiments of deathless strength.

Canopus – a star the Egyptians called Kahi-Nub (or Golden Earth) was, at one point the Raven Star, which was a title given to South pole stars.** These days spacecraft use it for celestial navigation. Some of the oldest Babylonian stories correlate with the most ancient of the indigenous Australian tales. There are links between the stars and deities of Maori and Ancient Egyptian culture.

The most significant Southern constellation, magically at least, was Eridanus, a stream of stars flowing South from Rigel and named after Eridu, the earliest city in the world. It stops with Achernar, meaning ‘the end of the river’, in Pisces and that faces the mysterious Magellanic Clouds. Their phantom galaxies and weirdness makes even the staidest astronomical paper read like Philip K Dick on hyperdrive.

The story of the Southern skies and star lines is less known than the constellation myths of the North but it’s re-emerging via archeoastronomy and the study of indigenous starlore. But most of all, it is a collective subconscious pull, like an astral tide. There will be more to come on the Nodes and – perhaps – Southern and Northern Zodiac traits but in the meantime, why not know your circumpolar stars?

 

*The new design of the Astral DNA natal birth charts will reflect this and yes, if you already purchased one, you will be able to download the latest version from your dashboard.
**So many ancient tales feature Raven, Snake, and a Cosmic Egg. 

Images:
Frederik De Wit 1690
Kaphehu Whetu – The Polynesian Compass
Eridanus – Unknown – please advise if you know the original artist.
Stellarium – the Southern Circumpolar Stars of the Australian Kamilaroi/Euahlayi people.

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erica_wheadon

Just coming back to this discussion – does anyone have any resources on this? I’d love to do some more reading but it’s been difficult to track any reliable sources down. Thanks.

Rachel

No , I wish upon a star that I did but this indeed is seafood for thought!

Austin W Wachana

I came up with this theory long ago, I never published it. The thing about the Zodiac is that it is Geocentric, and therefore the stars are aligned along the Zodiac in the position they would be in the sky from the perspective of your place of birth looking up. The Southern hemisphere sky is inverted in relation to the Northern hemisphere sky. That’s a fact. The idea is that the only meaningful way to distinguish any two instances of time is to consider the position of the heavenly bodies at that moment in time. Each moment of time has… Read more »

James

I am born June 14th 1986 and they claim I am Gemini when i look at the surface of it. But since I have used Stellarium, I am able to see my sun is actually located within Taurus, more so than it could be in Gemini. I have also used a program called capricornPROMETHEUS which is really amazing and I recommend anyone to trial it. I was able to map out my tropical, sidereal and true sidereal. Obviously the only one that shows Gemini sun sign is the tropical. Both sidereal and true sidereal are clearly Taurus. Side note -everyone… Read more »

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anotherfacelessgod

Forgive me for the spelling issues and grammar lol, I was trying to rush, nonetheless it’s easy enough to overlook the errors 😉

daniellephant

Actually there is no such thing as north or south nodes on a sphere hovering in space. The whole concept of compass points on earth is just that – a concept. The position of the earth in relation to the stars – in reality has nothing to do with the delineation of compass geometry, which was first invented in China as a tool of geomancy and later invented (or reinvented) in Europe primarily as a tool of colonisation. Rather, one’s location on earth is relevant to the constellations in an entirely non-hegemonic way. Astrology has always existed across the diversity… Read more »

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Nelly

Thank you Mystic, this is profound for me, fĺipping the mòon nodes changes everything

Skarab

This north centricity is mad. It’s just a position/statement of superiority. Otherwise this illustration doesn’t make much sense since ancient Troy is actually north of Athens itself (even according to their own maps). Also ridiculous that Egypt should be considered akin to hell, since most esoteric knowledge came to Greece via Egypt. Smacks of northern supremacist propaganda. Also proof against the thought that just because something is in an “ancient” text it must be true.

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Ian from nz

Haha u don’t think they Egyptian teachings could be a bit satanic

Invicta

Ha

sphinx

This is mega for me!!! What news, I can’t believe it’s not front page MSM, honestly it should be. And thank you MM for working this out!! So many reasons to subscribe and this is the kind of work that makes me grateful. So my relationship with my Gem Hub has been questioned due to the pesky Nodes a few times, in a friendly way, but still.. Our happy coupling makes sense astro-wise ONLY if the nodes are switched. With the old switcharoo I now have Gemini “North Node” on his Sun, much nicer, and in the vicinity of his… Read more »

Invicta

Not shallow at all Sphinx 🧡

davidl

Actually I can see how this correction could improve your relationship to astrology more than the one with hubby. Mystic has sort of redeemed it. Your instincts were to trust hubby over the astrological data and it must have lost its trusted data status with you. The decision you made has proven itself correct for many years now. The rest is just paperwork. And maybe a few I told you so’s, an anecdote for your next dinner party ? along the lines of… look they wouldn’t listen while shrugging your shoulders with a look in your eyes … ‘one person… Read more »

sphinx

Haha, that is very true David, I feel like I can trust astrology like I trust my husband (rather than the reverse!). It’s also nice that my little Kataka boy (well, quite big now, taller than me!) has his NN in Leo. I always wondered what on earth I could teach someone with an Aqua NN as the Aqua tribe confound me so. It’s so nice you are still here to chat with btw.

H1L0

This may seem an obvious question but just confirm. Do we flip the node and the house it is in? Thanks!

JacQui

Totally unrelated but I have lost the link to MM 2020 timeline of astral events. Any clues gang? yes I have “G” it

JacQui
Pegasus

Well now this explains my total confusion on north-south nodes as my north node is south of my chart and so my south one is north of it. My confession is that i understand astronomy more than astrology. My memory banks are full and there nothing i want to erase to make more room for comprehension. Eden (Ur) was said to be a lush fertile land semi tropical, now we see desert after supposedly 8-9000 years.Even with climate change that’s a huge difference. Has anyone read Bob Frissell’s ‘Nothing in this book is true-but it’s exactly how things are’? So… Read more »

Skarab

Since everything is but an illusion,
Perfect in being what it is,
Having nothing to do with good or bad,
Acceptance or rejection,
One might as well burst out laughing
(Longchenpa)

Always helps reset mind for when it fuzzes up trying to make heads or tails of current reality – which happens to me a lot lately.

H1L0

I was born in the southern most city, in the south island of a country deep in the southern hemisphere. Now I’m in Melbourne, Australia living southside where the north/south side of the river divide is strong.
South all the way!

Wish Upon a Star

I feel more relaxed knowing that my North node is actually Scorpio.

It feels natural and makes more sense.

So all the shit I have faced I have transformed. Natural Scorpio stuff.

Vic

The earliest shamanism traditions, from 7-8 thousand years ago, have animals associated with each of the sacred directions. To each tradition (Native Americans, Indigenous people from South America, Aborigines and so on) the animals vary according to the environment, respecting exactly where they are and all the wisdom is developed respecting that. I love that you are bringing to life this change of perspective, it is indeed a rescue of an orientation we should be having for so long! Curious thing, we have the same nodes but inverted, and do not want mine to be gemini, I want it to… Read more »

Skarab

True re early humans.There’s an interesting book called North: The Rise & Fall of the Polar Cosmos by Gyrus in which he proposes that it all went north (pun intended) when the Agrarian Revolution occurred & societies changed from the more egalitarian & matriarchal hunter gatherer societies’ ‘horizontal’ cosmos of entanglement with nature, to a ‘vertical’ cosmos, aspiring to eternal celestial perfection. It explains how the pole star became associated with cultural & spiritual hierarchies & monotheism, etc.

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Scorpleocap

It’s all very interesting. Mystic, I’m looking forward to hearing more about your thoughts on your interpretation of the nodes re left/right brain hemisphere. I reread your previous post but I’m still intrigued. I do love that this all stops my Pisces south node from being ‘bad‘ and a past to be avoided. Especially since I’m pretty crazily in love with a man whose sun and venus is conjunct my Pisces south node. I wonder how we are to reinterpret such ‘karmic connections’. Maybe the people conjunct our nodes are major consciousness shifters?! Feels that way. Basically, can’t wait to… Read more »

xoCel

I’m still processing all these breaking news probably more life changing than who’s gonna be elected for president next… To be honest, it’s hard for me to disassociate from my north node libra as IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE given my selfish traits from my south node in aries that I need to let go of lol… and yet, I’m totally aware that once you’ve learned and been pushed against those X Y Z ideas for so long, it basically becomes imprinted in your dna, and thus hard to think otherwise. Think about the baby boomers and following generations 😏… Read more »

milleunanotte

What if our Widdershins realisations, not immediately but ‘three times’ integrated, could quietly raise hell against the old established world order? Here in Australia we’re culturally and socially viewed as the poor cousins. We also have nanny state politics that keep a certain some of us in check, but also remind us of respect for state or federal powers because we are wild souls, even quietly and personally, communally. There’s a quietly rich understanding of ourselves that we never really promote. My Aqua Venus IC has always had a good feeling about our quiet revolution. Where to now? Is it… Read more »

milleunanotte

I believe that us Southern Hemisphere people by and large support a strengthening of indigenous importance in the political landscape and positive presence in the community. Most of us non indig recognise in powerful awe the unique power of the land, to the point i have been personally wondering this changing season why our bureau of meteorology does not use it as standard notification reference. You would be completely unique in providing real Southern Hemisphere takes on the Dailies, Personals etc. There are micro sites, compared with your reach, some of which i have accessed through links or inspired research… Read more »

Stella

This is such delectable food for thought. And I feel like buying a telescope now.

scorpiodawn

on a separate note, ive survived saturn sq chiron, hoorayyyy!
yes it was a bit grim
sat sq asc next yr….

aqua hair

My sister and I were born on the equator, so what is the implication for charts like ours?

Hilarygherkin

Not gonna lie, Sagittarius NN still feels more apt for me than my SN in Gemini conj Venus.
Relying on intuition and the bigger picture has always served me well, and having used Jan Spillers’ astrology for the soul since forever, my whole mind is being flipped! Interested to learn how to reinterpret the nodes though, and how they affect my chart.

Hilarygherkin

Omg just realised that with this knowledge I’m having a nodal return and my NN is actually in 8th house-need to rethink my entire life!

erica_wheadon

I’m okay with the north node flip (it actually makes so much more sense) – but my Astral DNA chart is still showing my usual northern hemisphere interpretation with its original north node. I presume that it’s coming?

erica_wheadon

Oh good! I thought I was going crazy. 🙂

erica_wheadon

Another quick Q if I may – I’m trying to get my head around composite charts involving those born in the northern hemisphere. i.e. Would their NN still be in my 8th house? How about composite NNs? Welp.

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Wish Upon a Star

Australian Aborigines are connected with the stars. They have their feet on the ground and their eyes cast at the southern stars.

Their heads are not emeshed in old books with old dogma.

milleunanotte

Many ABORIGINALS are actual 21st century humans in the workforce and just living and loving their lives, not really a metaphor. Yet many who live in remote areas, that were their own once, now throwaway former mining shelters they got moved on from and then given back to move to their home area, live with dangerous electricals, no running water, asbestos and basically off grid but accountable to govt. If you actually know any urban, country or remote Aboriginals, then you would know the deepest grief and struggle to connect with culture. There is a gap from the Stolen Gens… Read more »

Wish Upon a Star

The image I had in my head when I found these words Millie was when Aborigines were at peace. They have been here for more than 50,000 years. I have no control over the messages I get. It is very right brain and I feel like a toddler trying to find the simple words to fit the image. And actually I do know the plight of the Aborigines. When I was homeless I stayed at an Aboriginal Shelter. I got to know them very well. And I even get called Abo by ignorant Hicks even though my origins are Maltese.… Read more »

milleunanotte

No, sorry, I was out of order. I have seemed to cope well under recent major stressors but suddenly found myself weirdly reactive to small things i would normally let go in less than 24hrs. Sorry again, i don’t have any explanation, I’m in a strange state, please try not to take me personally.

Wish Upon a Star

Apology accepted Millie.

Don’t stress. We are in Scorpio season. I can definitely feel it.

I think it is a month of remembering who and what did us wrong and then letting it go. It takes time and there is no running away from it.

I hope this helps. Your strange state is a natural process. Resistance is useless.

x.

Wish Upon a Star

I got this email this morning: Moon in Capricorn meets three planets, Jupiter, Pluto and Saturn, forming a trio of conjunctions in just 12 hours. This might be an intense period, with a lot happening all at once. The most dominant influence is the Capricorn/Saturn tone, which can be serious and cautious, as well as focused on a deadline or responsibility. You might feel heavy and weighed down, or tired and worn out. It’ll be important to be realistic about what you can and can’t do, and on what time frame. Jupiter might bring a small amount of support or… Read more »

milleunanotte

Thanks, Wish. I felt terrible at misfiring at you and would have completely understood if you blanked me in future posts. Happy you can connect again, and saw something in the email for our understanding X

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Wish Upon a Star

I’m glad.

Pegasus

Darling StarWish, many that are still in the work force are under enormous stresses specially in the major cities. The fortunate ones like me are elders and non participants in society ‘cept at supermarket and THAT has it’s stresses! I believe you are in wide open spaces under a clearer sky where all is sweeter and simplified?
Millie is compassion in shoes. So are you!

Wish Upon a Star

Yes it is sweet and simplified. Thanks for reminding me. I am grateful.

x.

milleunanotte

Oh, Pegasus, that is real compassion and sweetness. Actually, i am trying to weave a connection with indigenous aspects into a completely different work project that has never been done before. It’s a big picture idea i have had for some time, not knowing how to work it out, but it feels increasingly spiritually urgent to DO SOMETHING PRACTICAL. I know i’ll be basically alone doing the hard yards of detailed organisation in my own area, even while i forge connection with people outside it. And recently an exec decision made me feel somewhat invalidated, so it is a struggle… Read more »

Lux Interior Is My Co-Pilot

The Node interps make more sense now, thankyou!

davidl

Thank you 🙏🏽 The one thing that always baffled me about my chart was my NN in libra SN Aries. It always felt wrong and however hard I tried to integrate it into the whole picture of who I am it didn’t fit. I’ve discussed this here before. Reversing them feels like I can finally put that last odd piece of the jigsaw puzzle into place. Ahhhhh 😑

milleunanotte

Yeh, my style in the MCconjunctSN/ ICconjunctNN was more naturally Aqua IC: i commenced leadership wanting the individuals in our mixed bag to shine, be responsibly autonomous and forge a brotherhood that respects all the differences in a functional way. I was only going to do it for a year until they found someone with experience, and aimed to fix 20yr issues noone new would realise were there except by constantly getting stymied by those problems. And i looked forward to then just having a good leader and return to my previous work. Naturally, the warm leader i wasn’t. Due… Read more »

davidl

Yes, I have many times been criticized in leadership roles for not ‘saving’ ‘nurturing’ caring enough for those that basically aren’t/ can’t do their job or can’t separate their personal issues from their role responsibility. Business to me is a serious game that requires players to firstly take on roles that they have natural aptitude for and secondly to hone those aptitude’s into skills that help the team win . The leaders job is to develop a winning strategy, provide the resources to fulfill that strategy. The team must provide the skill, the energy and the desire to win. If… Read more »

milleunanotte

Yeh, the team learned many years before to rely on being ‘mothered’ when they didn’t do stuff. Learned helplessness. So it’s almost like setting boundaries with angsty, lazy teens in a stepfamily!

Leo Aqua is Kings, Queens and personal sovereignty. And let’s not forget Regulus has shifted into Virgo! One thrives and rules by being across one’s own details, non? Mistakes, no drama, learning opportunity, i will guide. But feigned helplessness and intractability….short shrift. Even with that, i counselled a hilariously different strategy just yesterday.

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Artemis

Same here. Always struggled with the Taurus NN. It never resonated. Scorpio makes so much sense – a natural fit.

sphinx

Me too, I have lived the axis of Saggi and Gem, but the Gem makes much more sense for me and in terms of synastry with my partner it is light year’s difference.

Cat

I’m looking forward to hearing more on your interpretations on this, and checking out the astral DNA with this info. Since the thoughts you’ve been sharing I’ve been considering perspective bias on North and South. The North Star as a guide for intentions, goals etc has never really resonated with me, so the perception piece makes a lot of sense. So, something that I have been feeling into is, if we are in the Southern Hemisphere and set our intention as a ‘North Star’ (by calling it that for example) are we then defining our intention as something that we… Read more »

Invicta

It’s a bit like trying to recast the villains in your favourite soap as more nuanced and attractive characters after spending six seasons loving to hate them. I guess nothing about 2020 implies status quo does it?
And I thought I was so cool with The Maverick Frequency.
I guess I wasn’t expecting my covert traditionalist astrology fetish to be Aquarianized.

Lady Pluto

Can’t wait to understand your interpretation of what the nodes really mean and their impact.

Invicta

Yeah agreed. I’m open to the concept and appreciate the opportunity to understand my chart in a more relevant way. I am struggling though and it’s not easy to admit because I have no desire to be negative here but yeah I personally am battling a bit to wrap my brain around this. I’m still very stuck in the “north node good, south node bad” narrative .

Cat

There is a lot to get your head around.
I wonder if you can see the nodes as more of “where you are headed/lessons to explore, and where you’ve come from/lessons learnt”?

Invicta

Beloved M I’m impressed with the rad candour of sharing your impressions re this and sense of what it is while it still nascent or at least in development. Did you mention that your SN (now flipped so NN ) in sag? Because somehow it’s easier for me to “see” these things in others without my ego sabotaging the situation … thinking out loud here but this would definitely make sense on lots of levels. I’m STILL taking in and partially reeling from the audio zap you did with all the cool new insights. I’m 💯 down with the more… Read more »

Invicta

I love the analogy/ comparison of the left and right hemispheres of the brain and the focus being on wholeness or integration. Brava!

Invicta

Okay yes. I’m starting to grasp the concept now. I’ve had a few days to percolate and it’s making more sense. 🙏🏻

Lady Pluto

Just a quick Q, I saw someone on the Scorpio thread talking about their ascendant getting flipped because of the new revelations re: southern hemisphere. I’m pretty sure MM is only talking about the nodes getting flipped but does this mean the entire chart is flipped lol?

Mariposa

No. The nodes are based on the axis of a planet hence the “ascending – descending” polarity – but that’s it’s not the same as a “rising” sign. Visually the Southern Hemisphere chart is reverse to what it should be, but that’s a perspective shift only rather than a reversal of signs/meanings. Like we are looking at the chart as if we were on the other side of it (because we are). Really difficult to explain in words but the best way to demonstrate is this: go outside and look where the sign rises & sets vs what the astro… Read more »

Lady Pluto

Thank you for explaining it to me! This is what I intuited, but I definitely needed someone to confirm whether I was right.

Invicta

Love this explanation

LittleLunarLuxe

Oh my hat, I think this was me re: flipped ascendant. I read “ascending nodes” and Virgo/Gemini brain just ran out having skim read it 4 times and not once thoroughly. I’ve made a mistake lol!!! Thank you for highlighting, I’m a beginner-intermediate at best and Mercury -owns- me so I’m gonna blame retrograde for my sudden illiteracy 😆 appreciate your attention to detail and I have learned today! ⭐️

Invicta

I am mercury ruled and that frequently happens to me with the written word.
I’m spookily gifted at subtext detection visually or audibly tho

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