American Pluto – Dark, Ancient And Deep

I like to think the site is a haven from the stresses of politics but the current situation is serious enough to make my thoughts public. I have never had and probably will never have a dangerous encounter with a police officer.

I am so sorry to anyone who does not feel safe to call the cops when they are in danger. Or who knows that any encounter with the police/justice system is automatically far more dangerous for them because of their racial background. It is uncomfortable to say this but in the past, I shied away from thinking about my white privilege. It was partly as I felt that to acknowledge it would somehow negate the trauma and abuse I had endured.

But I was also defensive in an “I had an Aboriginal boyfriend!” style. Or aware as in “I was furious that the movie adaptation of Cold Mountain removed the ‘ramifications of slavery’ scene and cast Renee Zellwegger as a character who was meant to be African-American.” Now I can see that’s like someone who is overlooking a domestic violence situation talking about how they met Gloria Steinem or think it’s great that Wonder Woman was helmed by a woman.

The American Pluto Meets Contemporary Hekate

I just did not want to see it. I have had police-people being extraordinarily pleasant and supportive to me in the wake of a serious assault, after burglaries, during an investigation into a potentially predatory children’s swimming school teacher and even when a family member was arrested for a serious drug offense.

I hate thinking that this is not just ‘how it is.’ But if I was non-white looking, every one of those intersections with police could have been drastically different. The stress of whatever the event was would have been compounded.

Life serves up all sorts of s**t and yes, people of any ethnic background can experience trauma. But trusting that the cops will give you the benefit of the doubt is an undeniable advantage. The assumption that police are there to save or protect you and that everyone suspected of committing a crime will get their ‘day in court’ is a white assumption. It is not only inaccurate for a significant sector of American society – it is unsafe for them to believe that.

Institutionalized Abuse Turns To Tyranny

The homicide of George Floyd was particularly horrifying because there were literally no extenuating circumstances: it wasn’t a shoot-out, terror raid, night-time, minors at risk, imminent threat or any sort of a chaotic situation unfolding. It was more like a scene from a documentary about the Nazis than a 21st Century, first world justice system at work.

Of course, there has been a legion of horrifying murders and deaths in custody, with skin color as the factor most likely to imperil people. The unprecedented response to this specific atrocity is in part because of the era: Saturn conjunct Pluto forced a socio-cultural and geopolitical paradigm, one that will take a while to propagate through our system.*

And, as if this needed an accelerant,  Pluto is square Eris until 2021. I see Eris as less ‘wedding gatecrasher of the Gods’ and more Persephone, Underworld Queen. Or even Hekate. (I will explain another time.) Regardless, she is an insurgent and a chthonic deity like Pluto. Nothing stays hidden. Everything erupts. Just look at what’s gone down since this square began in early 2019.

A Plutonic Prologue

The U.S.A. was founded* with the Sun conjunct Jupiter and Venus, opposite Eris. It’s a flashpoint. Pluto spent 2012/2013 conjunct the American Eris and opposite the triple power of Sun, Jupiter, and Venus.

2012 was Benghazi, Xi Jinping becoming president of China and the shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. 2013 saw his killer acquitted and the formation of the Black Lives Matter movement. It was also the year that former CIA employee Edward Snowdon revealed the extent to which Americans are under surveillance. It was a Plutonic prologue.

2020 develops these themes with Pluto and Eris both in aspect to the U.S.A. Mercury. If you were a person having this transit, you’d be compelled into telling the truth and confronting hazardous materials. It would be the only way for you to retain your power. And not only that, the reconciliation would make you stronger. 

Dark Pluto themes include abuse and the shame that abusers project onto their victims. Anything to ensure the perp is flatteringly lit in a halo of justification. If it is institutionalized, the abuse and the blame becomes tyranny.

There is another astrological echo here: Pluto and Eris are respectively opposite and square the Uranus of August 1619. America’s natal Mercury is conjunct this turning point. In August 1619, a ship called The White Lion bought the first “cargo” of African slaves to America. Fun fact: The ship was owned and captained by a Calvinist minister, a John Colyn Jope of Cornwall. 

The Slave Ship Captained By A Reverend And…

We must do better to stand up for the rights and equality of those who are discriminated against and treated unjustly. I know a lot of Australians think this is an American problem, but it is widespread and the Indigenous Australian community is sadly affected too. Australia has its own astrological watershed coming up – it was formed with Sun, Saturn and Pluto in Aquarius.* More on that another time.

For those of us with white privilege, we must listen, support, and share Indigenous voices. Don’t let the people close to you get away with casually racist comments or brushing off the pain that Indigenous Australians are feeling. I have been guilty of looking the other way, with a ‘well, what can I do?’ sort of an attitude.

It’s true that I don’t legislate and have become cynical about the ability of politicians to drive meaningful change. Nonetheless, that’s not good enough and I’m giving this some high-level thought.

For anyone who is out protesting or swept up in the chaos, please stay safe!

Some problems we share as women, some we do not. You fear your children will grow up to join the patriarchy and testify against you; we fear our children will be dragged from a car and shot down in the street, and you will turn your backs on the reasons they are dying.”
― Audre Lorde

 

October 1924, Chicago – I cannot find a single other detail about this man. The hokey reportage style of this piece – like they’re talking about someone ripping off a garden plant – accentuates the evil of it.

Image: Barbara Jones-Hogu
Credit: The “dark ancient and deep” in the post title comes from Audre Lorde’s Sister Outsider.

*For simplicity, country charts are done off the moment they were legally ratified. Clearly, there were nations, cultures, and people pre-dating that moment. Similarly, I have a birth chart for when my company was legally registered, although the concept and sensibility existed long before that. 

**A lot of people are talking about how it is America’s Pluto Return – as in Pluto is nearing the same degree of Capricorn it was in when the country was founded in 1776.  But I see Neptune in Pisces opposite the natal Neptune as more significant. Can the country live up to its Neptunian ideals and grand visions? How can it sustain its incredible cultural and performance output without a spiritual reckoning? Or, conserving the old wisdom of the first nation people and (Neptune!) its ground-waters?

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OrtigiaGirl
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OrtigiaGirl
June 16, 2020 9:21 am

I keep thinking of the time I was in America and the lady in the shop said my $20.00 note was a fake and refused to accept it. I am not dead. It was an old tattered note, could have been a fake. I am a white middle-aged Australian woman. Still I am not dead like George Floyd is dead. My 25 year old daughter goes for a run around the neighbourhood. She is not dead. She is a young white female – no need to follow her in your pickup truck with two rifles – still she is not… Read more »

mooninthe12th
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mooninthe12th
June 7, 2020 2:30 am

I keep thinking of the saying “an apology isn’t a true apology without changed behavior”. Words and thoughts and prayers just aren’t enough anymore. Our actions speak so much louder. We have to do better. We have to realize that as a human race, none of us can be truly healthy, successful, and well when so many others suffer because we are all intricately connected to one another. No life should be valued above any other.

My heart hurts but I have hope that we can create something new and beautiful together.

Unicorn Sparkles
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Unicorn Sparkles
June 5, 2020 3:32 pm

Everything needed to erupt.
There has been no justice.

davidl
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davidl
June 5, 2020 1:48 pm

Gil Scott Heron always relevant

davidl
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davidl
June 5, 2020 1:48 pm
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davidl
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davidl
June 5, 2020 1:49 pm
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Lucky
Lucky
June 5, 2020 8:03 am

Thanks Mystic. I find the posts you write addressing the global state of play very insightful.

Hel
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Hel
June 5, 2020 6:48 am

I am very much a nine houser, and this theme has been bugging me for a while. There was something i was not seeing, something i could not understand. Something any person writing about rasism knew, and that was so obvius to them that it has not been put into words. A woman i know here in Norway put it into words, and i went. Aha!! That is why its claustrofobic. Now i get it! Any mean or bitter or wicked person feel they can take out their foul state of mind on her. They do it often, and Unpunished.… Read more »

Atotaldrip
Atotaldrip
June 5, 2020 12:02 am

As a black woman, it’s difficult (annoying and exhausting) to have to read and hear more about how white people feel about this moment in time. I know that this site doesn’t normally have contributors but I think having a few voices of colour weigh in would have a lot more impact than a white lady airing her white guilt. I come to this site as a refuge from the daily grind and am just a little more bummed to be reading about how complacent everyone is (was/will eventually be) in their whiteness. Also a trigger warning would go a… Read more »

davidl
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davidl
June 5, 2020 11:33 am
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Would you prefer white contributors here say nothing ? I’m sorry you are disappointed but after reading most of the comments of support I can’t see any other reason for disappointment other than your own feeling of separation from those that aren’t POC ? Allyship takes 2 sides to be in harmony. Rebuking an ally because they are white sort of misses the point ? I’m a ‘black’ Jew ( that’s what euro Jews call us) who’s roots are in the Middle East. Your pain has been going on for a couple of hundred years ours for literally thousands. Can… Read more »

Orchid888
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Orchid888
June 5, 2020 11:49 am
Reply to  davidl

That’s an incredibly apt response, David. And yes, I can feel the pain and frustration of the initial post. As a POC, I believe the marathon ahead of creating any substantial change, lies in thorough and open communication. Persons of ANY colour should educate themselves on these issues, and ideally remain aware, and activate any behavioural adjustments in their personal conduct, that will substantiate the necessary evolution that’s required culturally. And remain vigilant, after the crisis dies down. X

Wish Upon a Star
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Wish Upon a Star
June 5, 2020 11:54 am
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Well said David. Thank you for articulating the deeper feelings I cannot articulate. Atotaldrip I know what it is like to be in the raw world of trauma and so sensitive that anything that doesn’t resonate feels like poison. You just need immediate recognition, action and people not to say they know how you feel because no one can. I can understand how hearing their stories makes you angry. It just isn’t the right time. It can make it feel like a competition as to who has suffered the most injustice. Comparison is not helpful. Compassion is needed. These are… Read more »

Orchid888
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Orchid888
June 5, 2020 1:08 pm

Firstly, Happy Birthday…
I mentioned the comment “can feel the pain and frustration” as a simple means of expressing that I experienced an emotional response/can empathise/relate/connect with Atotaldrip’s thoughts etc.
That’s all! Not putting myself directly in her shoes.
And yes, compassion goes a long way x

Wish Upon a Star
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Wish Upon a Star
June 6, 2020 11:22 am
Reply to  Orchid888

Thank you Orchid.

Jeez don’t worry about the “can feel the pain” comment. I hadn’t even read it.

Look after yourself.

X.

milleunanotte
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milleunanotte
June 6, 2020 2:34 am

Many happy and blissful returns, Wish, for your b’day. Like that you weighed in with your thoughts, and called upon a bit of b’day compassion. Like your thought and emotion expressed in simple truth. Hope you have an amazing celebration of your self xx

Wish Upon a Star
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Wish Upon a Star
June 6, 2020 11:24 am
Reply to  milleunanotte

Thank you so much Millie !

X.

Atotaldrip
Atotaldrip
June 5, 2020 3:07 pm
Reply to  davidl

My reaction isn’t happening in a vacuum. It’s that there are so many white people on the internet coming to terms with their complacency within white supremacy. I suppose what I’m feeling is a sense of hurt that the injustices of the world are only now occurring to so many people. It confirms my worst fears that apathy is at the heart of the oppression and inequality faced by the “minorities” of the world that these inequities were/are actively ignored. I think you might be missing my point as far as allyship goes, it’s not the fact that these people… Read more »

Orchid888
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Orchid888
June 5, 2020 4:48 pm
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Firstly, it’s wonderful to hear your voice, your thoughts, your experience. Thank you, truly. One thing that has occurred to me is the scale of things. Here in Australia, our total current population stands at around 25 million. In America, it’s around 325 million. While we certainly have our black history, and consequent “system” that suppressed minority cultures here (or just basically has white people at a constant advantage)..I think, even with the internet as a tool for educating ourselves, we here in Australia cannot literally feel the intensity of racial issues on the same level and scale as it’s… Read more »

Lili
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Lili
June 5, 2020 8:51 pm
Reply to  Atotaldrip

I am sorry- I hope we do better for you.

milleunanotte
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milleunanotte
June 8, 2020 11:23 pm
Reply to  Atotaldrip

Just wondering how you judge who is POC. Have you followed the commenters for a while?

There is white privilege, then there is a complex of privileges for people who have experienced the binaries AND the grey areas, and had it called out as ‘passing’. Though there is never acceptance from any group, just curiosity at best, and hostility at the most wounded point.

Lili
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Lili
June 5, 2020 8:50 pm
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Here in my Mid-Western town, our Jewish clergy convened a Zoom meeting of Black pastors to educate Jewish allies on racism and being Black and how Jewish allies can act for change. Many on the call were children of Holocaust survivors. We all just listened. And the mics were controlled by the hosts for good measure. Too often as soon as a Black voice is heard, we white allies drown it out with…”Oh you don’t mean me, But my grandchildren are Black, my kids godparents are Black, I read The Root..” In the Great Lakes US, we Jews both suffer… Read more »

Atotaldrip
Atotaldrip
June 5, 2020 3:12 pm
Reply to  Mystic

I can certainly understand. It happened to be the first thing I read this morning and I was just not ready or wanting to hear about it. I’m grateful for your considerations and your ability to exercise accountability. It’s nice to know that you are asking yourself these questions before posting. We all have our histories and you’ve been gracious enough to share yours. I suppose in this moment, I have very little patience for the heavy feelings of white folks just tuning in because BIPOCs have never had the choice to tune out. It’s great to hear that there… Read more »

Orchid888
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Orchid888
June 5, 2020 5:29 pm
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Mmmm…I dunno.? I feel that in your example, the commonality of Person 1, and Person 2 both experiencing pain is valid enough for them “to relate”. Their experiences may not have been equal in measure, but their experience of pain creates a form of understanding …even if it’s a small understanding.

OrtigiaGirl
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OrtigiaGirl
June 16, 2020 9:29 am
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I don’t know you. All I can say is “I see you, I hear you, I sympathise with you”. I am half Italian and part Chinese, born to people who came to Australia legally and illegally, were treated well and not so well. The historic treatment of POC compels us not to turn a blind eye. We do care.

milleunanotte
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milleunanotte
June 4, 2020 10:26 pm

Riffing off posts about cop encounters, i have definitely had supportive, frankly dirty-feeling and confusing, and sort of Cap Mars comfortingly administrative encounters in freak events. Reading lately, and putting together stuff i heard before, i have realised some of the dirtiest darkest feeling encounters since very small have roots in a history of men whom i intuitively felt were predators of a pattern borne of colonialism, post colonialism, systematic twelfth house damage. I never saw myself as any less than the god and goddess powers and open channels to nature as my birthrights. I grew up with my chosen… Read more »

milleunanotte
milleunanotte
June 4, 2020 8:33 pm

My thought is not about the US black and Aboriginal politics, because i am exhausted and cried out tho more tears to come. It’s more about representation in a v specific aspect and connects to my reading of this site. I like the paintings and prints you have chosen over the years, including Wed 3 Jun Daily Email. What I find especially hilariously on point, though, are the high fashion photographs accompanying heavy shit astro posts like Saturn Hotel etc. Women perceived as privileged and inspirational are funny and relatable in these chaotic or swamped contexts, but they are usually… Read more »

Orchid888
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Orchid888
June 5, 2020 2:30 pm
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I think if your (absolutely fantastic) choice of images chosen to illustrate posts is purely based on aptness or inspiration…then why should it matter if any models are white/black/POC??! As you’ve conveyed, you’re not making a political statement necessarily. Your creatively expressing yourself. If you use a photo of a beautiful Tibetan-Brazilian model, for example…I’m looking at the composition of the photo, it’s content inspiration and/or admiring their appearance. I’m not connecting it with any politicised act. I don’t think you’re ‘trespassing’. Your just illustrating your blog!! X

milleunanotte
milleunanotte
June 5, 2020 7:23 pm
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My sense of it, too.

milleunanotte
milleunanotte
June 5, 2020 7:22 pm
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I’m so glad i could express this well enough to dialogue with you. It’s a challenge to represent with humour and fashion, and not offend. Had no idea you had edited to remove back-post images of T Richardson. That is more work, but worth it for the quality of the blog as it is accessible in the moment, not just an historical post. I think you’re extremely thoughtful.

Geo Urania
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Geo Urania
June 4, 2020 12:38 pm

@plutorose Christ, defending Zimmerman?? A middle-aged man stalking and chasing an underage black boy. It is so upsetting to think Trayvon’s last moments was full of fear, trying desperately to get back home (probably to call the cops on the weird perv following him). Imagine if that was a white boy or a white girl. Zimmerman would have been DONE. He never announced that he was Neighbourhood Watch, never asked him what he’s doing, just started chasing the poor boy. How dare you defend him and downplay that horrible miscarriage of justice.

R(Aqua/Tauri)
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R(Aqua/Tauri)
June 4, 2020 11:40 am

Thank you for being so vulnerable and sharing your internal journey even though it can be uncomfortable to reflect upon. I have been having my own wakeup call this year about how I did not want to acknowledge my privilege or dive into my own subconscious and cultural programming. Why? I think it was because like you I have had a lot of trauma and was dealing with my PTSD ever since I was a teenager. I just didn’t have the bandwidth to take it on. And now that I’m making progress with healing my personal things I’ve found that… Read more »

Wish Upon a Star
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Wish Upon a Star
June 4, 2020 1:20 pm
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x.

Sagittaurean
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Sagittaurean
June 4, 2020 11:16 am

It’s Marvin Gaye’s birthday, btw. What a great time to pause and reflect on the immense beauty brought into this world by black people. ❤️

Wish Upon a Star
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Wish Upon a Star
June 4, 2020 1:19 pm
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“What’s Going on ?”. … Too many people crying.

Calcifer
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Calcifer
June 5, 2020 12:00 am
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Completely agree on the beauty brought into this world by black people, and Marvin Gaye is one of my favorites… however, I thought his birthday was April 2 1939? Could be of interest because this is an astrology blog…

Sagittaurean
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Sagittaurean
June 5, 2020 1:05 am
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You’re right, born on April 1, died on April 2. I heard the misinfo from our local radio station yesterday. Funny I was thinking that I wasn’t getting Gemini vibes.

Calcifer
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Calcifer
June 5, 2020 1:51 am
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Hi Sagittaurean, you are right, no Gemini vibes from Marvin Gaye. But then again, I never got particularly strong Aries vibes from him either. I just checked his chart and saw that he had a tight Moon-Neptune conjunction in Virgo. This in opposition to Jupiter in Pisces. Venus also in Pisces. This fits, I think. At least from the outside, and to me, he seemed like a very, very Neptunian individual…

davidl
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davidl
June 5, 2020 1:29 pm
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As an Aries I think he portrays many of Aries attributes ? 😘 I also have a strong Neptune and combining both influences can make life a very interesting ride. He’s always been a favorite of mine and I used his magic on my wife in the early stages of our relationship to warm things up 🔥to great success ☺️

Calcifer
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Calcifer
June 5, 2020 7:08 pm
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Hi David, as an Aries yourself you are the right person to recognize Marvin’s Aries vibe, I am sure! Marvin not only had his Sun in Aries, by the way, but also Saturn in Aries. So there may have been some ambivalence about asserting himself. In his song ‘Keep on Dancing’ he describes his shyness about dancing:

‘I used to go out to parties, and stand around
‘Cause I was too nervous, to really get down
But my body yearned to be free’

To me this always sounded like Saturn in Aries (which I also have in my chart)

Mt. Kilimanjaro
Mt. Kilimanjaro
June 4, 2020 8:05 am

Guess what. If you have 10 bad cops and 100 “good” cops who are looking the other way at their horrifying actions and racism, you have 110 bad caps.

fallenangel
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fallenangel
June 4, 2020 5:25 am

There’s been protests down the street from me in Hollywood, and the spa I’m helping my gf rebuild is on Fairfax. All this amidst shelter at home orders & oddly, people calling in and whining about how annoying it is not to get their personal beauty services. This cross-section of systemic racism + tyranny + police brutality in a backdrop of selfishness is all too familiar. Growing up under Marcos, I found myself marching at 16 in what was called the people’s revolution, that resulted in him absconding to Hawaii & Imelda covertly seeking help from the US gov’t, whilst… Read more »

Moinee
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Moinee
June 4, 2020 7:52 pm
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Thankyou for sharing your life experience. Many times we dont care to know what it is like to live in someone else’s shoes, so wrapt up as we can be in our own importance and secretly afraid our facade will crumble, exposing how privaledge and complacency has built a weaker character. Now is the time, in an assertive and calm way, to call out misguided and discrimatory language and behaviour, to remain silent, is to collude. Recently, I sat at the kitchen table of elderly clients, two 80 something farming brothers, having a pleasant conversation and sharing a generously laid… Read more »

milleunanotte
milleunanotte
June 4, 2020 9:00 pm
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You ask black and POC how they are, Fallen, and you can make that connection as you know the edge. People on the double edge: of experiencing violent brutality and murder; of having some money to furnish protection and offer whatever care they can. We don’t ask out of curiosity and seeking edification. We know what we can offer, and the woke are great forces but pls don’t start with the sort of crap Libraquarius below has to put up with: “I have people telling me that I’m a “female immigrant of color” and that “this is my fight too”.… Read more »

SheRat
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SheRat
June 4, 2020 4:19 am
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Zimmerman’s behavior post-Martin has proven he is unstable and an unreliable witness in his own case; arrests for domestic violence, armed violence in road rage incidents, appointing himself “security” for a local gun shop and lurking in his vehicle with a weapon. Again, I get strangled and arrested but THIS guy roams free? FMITM. He’s a Libra, btw.

SoVeryGemini
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SoVeryGemini
June 3, 2020 11:30 pm

Two of the hardest reads for me in the last two years were, “White Fragility” by Robin DiAngelo and “Why I am no Longer Talking to White People About Race” by Reni Eddo (for an English perspective).
100% recommend.

Penelope Darling
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Penelope Darling
June 4, 2020 5:49 pm
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I’ve just started White Fragility. Bombshells from the first page.

Pegasus
Pegasus
June 3, 2020 5:37 pm

Follow no other no other astrology sites but do get Wake Up World newsletter that recently added astrology. About this coming Lunar eclipse was a heading HOPE FOR WISDOM-PREPARE FOR WAR. Can’t access monthlies for June due to dunno what but am sure Myst has it covered in them in a not so black & white (oops) way. Retro Venus (Where is the Love?).Mars in Pisces seems like it is creating steam. What is deep in the subconscious is being prodded upwards by the warrior of war. Do know Sagg focuses on ethics, knowledge ‘who made the world & why’… Read more »

lefty418
lefty418
June 3, 2020 4:26 pm

Thank you so much for this. As of 01JUN20 in Chicago, there have been 1208 people shot, with 249 of those being homicides. Out of that 1208 people shot do you want to know how many were police involved? FIVE. That is 0.41% …not even ONE HALF OF ONE PERCENT. Of the 249 homicides…out of those 5 officer involved shootings, 3 of them were fatal. That’s a whopping 1.2% Please tell me how the police are the problem? Should we all turn a blind eye to over 99% of gun violence because it doesnt involve a police officer? Where is… Read more »

Sagittaurean
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Sagittaurean
June 4, 2020 10:30 am
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Lefty418, I am somewhat informed on the gun violence in Chicago, mostly gang related, I believe. I have a close friend in Chicago, a psychologist who worked with kids who had gotten caught up in gangs. The short answer: Unchecked capitalism. A lack of funding for education, amongst many other sociological injustices have led many to believe there is no other way. It’s such a relief to hear that you believe that those officers deserve punishment. The fact that proper charges took so long to be pressed is a huge reason for all of the unrest. Where I live peaceful… Read more »

dark star
dark star
June 3, 2020 4:02 pm

George’s murder happened on my block, and truly there’s been a staggering amount of ppl who have come to protest. I have a long way to go on allyship as a white privileged cis woman and have made many mistakes / avoided owning up to things. Its going to be a journey of learning and listening alongside helping the community, donating, supporting black businesses, divesting from police etc. It is major Pluto Saturn vibes

Pegasus
Pegasus
June 3, 2020 5:39 pm
Reply to  dark star

Strength to you Dark Star. Stay safe. Staying kind is maybe all that is required of you?

Mt. Kilimanjaro
Mt. Kilimanjaro
June 4, 2020 7:51 am
Reply to  Pegasus

Could not disagree with you more, Pegasus. I commend DS for owning up to her own blind spots when it comes to race (and Mystic too, for that matter), but the time to be silent or “just be kind” has come to an end. Maybe you didn’t mean “staying kind is all that required of you” in a passive way, but it certainly reads that way to me. If we don’t get people to use whatever privilege they have to actively work toward ending racism, RACISM WON’T END. I’m from Los Angeles; I saw just how little changed even after… Read more »

Orchid888
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Orchid888
June 4, 2020 8:11 am

Thank you Kilimanjaro…
Yes, it’s not about “just being kind” (though it would definitely help!).
It’s more about base-level ethics??!

Pegasus
Pegasus
June 4, 2020 8:47 am

Well Orchid i’m from Adelaide South Australia. What the fuq would i know about racism! Should i have not commented on a post about America? The French word for kind is gentile aka GENTLE. KIndness IS gentleness. What do you suggest i do? Sign a goddamn petition or something equally inane. Jump on a flight to the USofA and be an say a few words? Stick flowers in their guns? G U N S about that, why don’t you stop selling guns there?Act about that. Australia did after a massacre faster than quick. I di my part in protesting the… Read more »

Mt. Kilimanjaro
Mt. Kilimanjaro
June 4, 2020 9:24 am
Reply to  Pegasus

With all due respect: very little about your replies are making sense. Please re-read my post. If you are operating from a position of privilege, you may not know anything about racism–okay, fine…? But maybe educate yourself or listen to the POC instead of posting these kind of…um…nonsensical word salad responses where I can’t really parse the meaning, message, or logic. Signing petitions is a start. Not as inane as you might think, although yes, they are mostly PR moves–but guess what? We are currently living in a media-saturated world that is motivated and moved by people who know how… Read more »

Orchid888
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Orchid888
June 4, 2020 9:47 am

Thank you AGAIN, Kilimanjaro!

Mt. Kilimanjaro
Mt. Kilimanjaro
June 4, 2020 10:18 am
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The very least I could do. Off to make more calls to city council people. Hell, I’m unemployed thanks to COVID-19–this is my full-time job now.

Moinee
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Moinee
June 4, 2020 8:25 pm
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When I was a kid we moved from Sydney to outback Queensland. We played with other kids at the local waterhole but other ‘new’ Australians expressed their displeasure to my mum that we should be allowed to mix with original Australian children…Mum set a standard for us and told those misguided folk that we would continue to swim at the water hole, along with whoever else was there. As descendants of immigrants to Australia, we all have to face up to the truth that white Australia has a black history – we need to acknowledge the past and present injustices… Read more »

libraquarian
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libraquarian
June 10, 2020 10:44 am
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Nothing is enough for the ever-starving victims of the oppressive white patriarchy. For what it’s worth, I appreciate your initial kind comment and this follow up.

milleunanotte
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milleunanotte
June 8, 2020 11:19 pm

She said, “Stay safe”. Do we not put on our own oxygen masks first and foremost? Pegasus knows some deeper aspects of of DarkStar. “Staying kind” to oneself and being kind to our friends here is the only good start, for those of us who … well, i’ll leave that up to you to trawl the archived posts, which is a rare prayer to the people who are long part of us. Candour is one thing, but caring truth is different again.

Barbierella
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Barbierella
June 3, 2020 3:48 pm

Thank you so much for this. I’m an American woman of color and I deeply appreciate your work, Mystic. This post is more meaningful than I can say. <3

Wish Upon a Star
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Wish Upon a Star
June 3, 2020 4:33 pm
Reply to  Barbierella

x.

Pegasus
Pegasus
June 3, 2020 5:47 pm
Reply to  Barbierella

Hey there, we here in Oz have great simpatico for women of colour thanx to Alice Walker’s writings. That’s not a ‘royal’ we as i know the women here and David are sending you Heart.
Did you see the movie Barbarella. There is a line ‘an angel doesn’t make love an angel IS love’. The Black Queen (Anita Pallenberg) was smoking ‘essence of man’.
You can vape essence of Mystic’s followers for peace and love and a whole lotta kick ass.

Orchid888
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Orchid888
June 3, 2020 3:39 pm

As an Australian woman of multicultural heritage..I can tell you that racism definitely exhausts here in Australia. There is White Privilege present here today.
In my experience, my physical appearance has both been applauded for its “exotic” nature, and also led to instant presumptions about my socio-economic status, education, and “intentions” basically. I’ve found many occasions where I have had to go above and beyond, to simply be considered “equal and safe” by your average white Australian.
So, yes. It’s here, it exists. White Privilege. X

Orchid888
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Orchid888
June 3, 2020 3:41 pm
Reply to  Orchid888

Typo: exists…not exhausts. (But actually it’s BOTH!)

Wish Upon a Star
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Wish Upon a Star
June 3, 2020 6:34 pm
Reply to  Orchid888

Yes it is exhausting. Why do humans create so much drama and stress?

Wish Upon a Star
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Wish Upon a Star
June 3, 2020 4:31 pm
Reply to  Orchid888

Can you elaborate on “intentions” and where do you live? I am merely curious.

Orchid888
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Orchid888
June 3, 2020 5:08 pm

Intentions, meaning ‘are you going to threaten my position or superiority, or advantage…in various situations with white people.
I live in the Noosa area, believe it or not?! Full to the brim of privileged white people. I grew up in Noosa, and after being a “true local” for over 40 years…have recently moved to another town in the area. The move was due to a lack of social diversity, and culture. X

Orchid888
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Orchid888
June 3, 2020 5:13 pm
Reply to  Orchid888

And, having said that I’m a “local” to Noosa…
I have also extensively travelled the world, attended a distinguished boarding school for my education, and have enjoyed success on my career path! I was born here in Australia, but are often mistaken for “a foreigner’…

Libra Moon Conjunct Pluto
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Libra Moon Conjunct Pluto
June 4, 2020 4:08 am
Reply to  Orchid888

Same here. I am a brown-skinned female from the American Midwest, born and raised. My mother was born elsewhere but spent almost all her life there. We both often got the same questions and presumptions. I was either seen as a threat or undeserving of my titles/ positions, and had to go above and beyond to show I rightfully held them. We both moved to more culturally diverse regions and do not wish to go back.

Orchid888
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Orchid888
June 4, 2020 5:01 am

Thank you for sharing your experience too! Perhaps, it’s best summed up as “a subtle erosion of power”? Sometimes, it’s in your face, but often it’s subtle. As if you’re a guest in your own country?! It’s sad, given we are in the 21st Century. X

Wish Upon a Star
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Wish Upon a Star
June 3, 2020 6:30 pm
Reply to  Orchid888

It’s interesting what you say about being threatening. Oh Noosa. I used to live in Ringtail Creek. I used to go to the spit with my friend and her dogs. I’m of Maltese heritage and was born and bred in Melbourne. So I appreciated Noosa for its sophistication and the tourists and backpackers made it feel multicultural. The beach and a favourite Asian restaurant called Tuk Tuk were great. But being in my late 40,s back then I laughed at the pretentious ness and materialism. Living in Melbourne I took for granted the multiculturalism and culture. Oh and yes at… Read more »

Orchid888
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Orchid888
June 4, 2020 6:22 am

I think, like many “privileged” towns/areas, Noosa welcomes an array of “guests” from international backgrounds…but the emphasis is on “guests”. We welcome you to enjoy our beautiful area, and spend your money…but then you can leave (ie. don’t move here permanently). For example, if an affluent Brazilian family moved to an affluent area of Noosa…the general consensus would be that they “got incredibly lucky”.
Sad, but true!

Wish Upon a Star
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Wish Upon a Star
June 4, 2020 12:56 pm
Reply to  Orchid888

Oh I felt that clique in Noosa. One day I went into shoe shop as they had a fantastic sale.

The locals in the shop had a clique so tight I could bounce my car off them. It made me laugh and feel sorry for them. They didn’t realise how insular their life was. It was like living in a small town.

Orchid888
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Orchid888
June 4, 2020 1:51 pm

This is not to “hate” on Noosa, specifically.
This is about the presence of White Privilege in this country. Noosa is just an example.
Next time you’re in town, observe the apparent minority of “coloured” residents. They are there in small numbers, but mostly doing “culturally appropriate” things like running an exotic food outlet, collecting trolleys, and other such things…and that’s how Noosa likes it!
White Privilege. X

Wish Upon a Star
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Wish Upon a Star
June 4, 2020 2:38 pm
Reply to  Orchid888

I understand Orchid. It still sounds horrible. The White Privileged telling the others that they should know their place.

This all reminds me of the time I was in my 20s living in Melbourne. An older white man commented on how well spoken I was in a supermarket. I just looked at him like he was an alien. Me being a Gemini and very street smart.

He wasn’t getting the response he was seeking. Idiots exist everywhere !

Pegasus
Pegasus
June 3, 2020 5:52 pm
Reply to  Orchid888

Orchid am so sorry to hear this. Yes it exists. My closest buddy has covered her great grandparents heritage up due to this, says she is just ‘tanned’. We have never spoken about it but one day hope she opens to discussion and we have deep talks.

Pegasus
Pegasus
June 3, 2020 5:55 pm
Reply to  Orchid888

Am assuming aboriginal heritage because as a multi-Sagg my foot goes in my mouth a lot. Lucky i do yoga 🙂

aqua hair
aqua hair
June 3, 2020 2:59 pm

As Thomas Paine wrote in 1776: “These are the times that tries men’s souls… Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered.” This was written 244 years ago about the USA ( I think that is a Pluto cycle)

Veronica
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Veronica
June 3, 2020 2:48 pm

Yes Mystic, something else that comes to mind is the public humiliation of Adam Goodes, Australian AFL player, ex-captain of the Swans. Calling him gorilla and ape. Makes my blood boil. There is a doc on ABC on him currently. Rio Tinto just recently casually destroying 40, 000 year old Aboriginal site with no consequences. F*@ktards hitting golf balls off the top of Uluru. So many things. Too many. Maybe there will be a spotlight on our own BLM as a side effect, cos there is plenty of ignorance and racism and death in custody here in Australia. I call… Read more »

Pegasus
Pegasus
June 3, 2020 6:02 pm
Reply to  Veronica

O YES, that was horrific. They made me feel ashamed.How did HE feel?! We all just want to feel PROUD of ourselves no matter the colour. The song Melting Pot. Take a pinch of white girl take a pinch of black man…etc etc. and the world will be a great big melting pot. Who was the woman that wrote all the crystal books who lived with American Indians then Aboriginal woman and found they all had crystals in common.They gave her all their secrets and magic. Lyn someone.She was well read in the 80’s. Think the book was called Crystal… Read more »

Geo Urania
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Geo Urania
June 3, 2020 2:14 pm

To the white people commenting their own bad experiences with cops – read the room. This isn’t about you right now. Now is the time to reflect on those bad experiences, and put yourself in a POC’s shoes. “How different could this scenario be if I were black?”.

Thank you Mystic – You’ve also spurred me to discover Audre Lorde’s amazing essays and speeches! Thinking of buying one of her books now for my necessary winter reading.

Pegasus
Pegasus
June 3, 2020 6:47 pm
Reply to  Geo Urania

AMERICAN PLUTO…. Dark Ancient and Deep.
Forgive me commenting out of turn. Am so sorry, you are right this is not a about me. Sheesh i’m blonde.
‘How different would it have been if i were a POC’?
Answer: No different. Apologies for living in the Land of Oz.

Geo Urania
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Geo Urania
June 3, 2020 9:40 pm
Reply to  Pegasus

As a fellow blonde Aussie – the way cops treat Indigenous Australians is horrific compared to how white Australians generally get treated. Especially if you live in affluent areas. It’s definitely confronting, I’ve had to do lots of re-learning over the last couple days. Nobody is perfect especially when it comes to racial biases because it’s so hardwired into our brains from a young age, but if you honestly think an Aboriginal lady in your same situation would have had the charges cleared and the $8k in legal fees repaid… highly unlikely.

Mt. Kilimanjaro
Mt. Kilimanjaro
June 4, 2020 8:02 am
Reply to  Pegasus

Umm. I don’t mean to be rude, but if you were a POC, you could’ve been shot, killed, beaten, and held without due process. That’s how your police run-in would’ve been different.

Penelope Darling
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Penelope Darling
June 4, 2020 5:56 pm
Reply to  Pegasus

I live in Australia. At a work morning tea not too long ago we were talking about emergency room visits. I was the only white Australian in the room. We have a pretty diverse team, from eastern Europe, Vietnam, Burma, and other places. I was the only person who hadn’t had their papers checked or their CHILDREN SEPERATED FROM THEM in the emergency department. If you think you are not treated differently you need to do some real listening and reading to Indigenous Australians and other minority groups.

SheRat
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SheRat
June 4, 2020 5:29 am
Reply to  Geo Urania

The posturing of “good whites” is something you will read about when you get to your Audre Lorde. Try bell hooks while yer at it. White guilt helps only white people.

Mt. Kilimanjaro
Mt. Kilimanjaro
June 4, 2020 8:01 am
Reply to  Geo Urania

One hundred percent.

Let’s focus on listening and learning from POC and the Black community right now.

deslinfoster
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deslinfoster
June 3, 2020 12:00 pm

Thanks for leaning in Mystic. For those that need evidence of an Australian problem 430 Aboriginal deaths in custody in the last 30 years not one law enforcement officer found guilty. Watch Trevor Noahs excellent take on the current riots and the global implications. For advice on owning your white privledge and standing up against racism go back to the blue eyes brown eyes experiment and check out Brené Browns Anti Racism posts. There is no such thing as not racist only Anti racist or racist. Those in power – all white people – need to be ready to give… Read more »

Wish Upon a Star
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Wish Upon a Star
June 3, 2020 12:31 pm
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Thanks for that info DF. It explains the confusion I feel about living in regional Australian Queensland.

I attended a first aid seminar a while ago. As I was living on the bay I was concerned about sea warming and being stung by the deadly Irikangi. I had a feeling that this would be an issue in a few years.

So I asked the teacher and she told me that Aborigines were being stung and laughed. But it is not known. I felt stunned,upset, angry and sad. No one cared. And this is normalised.

It is what not is said.

Melody
Melody
June 3, 2020 10:51 am

I am living twin cities where George Floyd was killed and over 425 buildings have been damaged many of them burned to the ground, including the oldest science fiction bookstore in America. The police are too busy brutalizing peaceful protesters and the press to deal with any of it apparently. I have Saturn conjunct Pluto in the first house trine my Moon North Node conjunction natally and for all the evil I have faced in my life, and I do not use the word evil lightly, there is no other word for what happened to George, it has always led… Read more »

Pegasus
Pegasus
June 3, 2020 10:09 am

‘Peaceful demonstraters tear gassed in front of White House so Trump could pose for photo with a Bible’.
NYTimes.

Veronica
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Veronica
June 3, 2020 2:56 pm
Reply to  Pegasus

I read a post written by the reverend of that Episcopal church. He was totally repudiating Trump- it was beautifully written describing outrage that he was using the Bible in a photo op while tear gassing protesters to clear the grounds in a flagrant misuse of religion ( he said it better than me but I am paraphrasing 🙂 )

Electro
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Electro
June 3, 2020 7:01 pm
Reply to  Pegasus

This alone should make any hangers-on to morally drop him. But it doesn’t, which is a true threat. Yesterday I voted in the primaries in my state and there was a woman posing with her children for a picture next to a giant Trump sign. How can you possibly support this sickness less than 24 hours after his clear attempts to divide and conquer the people by force?

Veronica
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Veronica
June 4, 2020 12:50 am
Reply to  Electro

Honestly. it blows my mind how wildly delusional some people (half the population) are. It’s like they are absolutely not seeing what is right in front of them, cannot see it. don’t want to see it.
Maybe because the whole world has Profoundly changed and they see him as some symbol of the past supremacy. That ‘make America great again’ slogan is so insidious…
I am deeply unsettled In my core by all this- such tectonic, Plutonian forced playing out now

Libra Moon Conjunct Pluto
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Libra Moon Conjunct Pluto
June 4, 2020 4:13 am
Reply to  Veronica

Agree. The vote down was cos towards our complete failure of a leader and the processes used to preserve his power.

Pegasus
Pegasus
June 3, 2020 9:45 am

The New York Times arrives digitally every day bar one due to time difference. Of Trump being to blame for the rise of white supremacy and inciting violence there is no doubt. The man is evil incarnate.Arrogant augumentive abusive authoritarian for starters. They say the health of the royal family in England is symbolic of the health of the people, if so then it also applies to UsofA. Health being mental as well as physical. A journalist said to me ‘America is getting what it deserves’. That’s rough but maybe this is The Cleansing. Sadly looting cheesecakes and wine isn’t… Read more »

Veronica
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Veronica
June 3, 2020 2:33 pm
Reply to  Pegasus

Totes Pegs, just the thought of Queensland Police makes my hackles rise!! There was even a song about them…

Wish Upon a Star
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Wish Upon a Star
June 3, 2020 2:43 pm
Reply to  Veronica

What’s the song? I live in Qld.

Veronica
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Veronica
June 3, 2020 3:03 pm

Rodney Rude, (so of course language warning) re: the higher up cops in the Fitzgerald Inquiry

Pegasus
Pegasus
June 3, 2020 5:17 pm
Reply to  Veronica

Trust all is copacetic in your world Veronica.
Remember when living in Sydney 70’s horror stories about Boggo Road QLD. Many surfer friends came from Northern NSW and had been badly treated for spliffing, beaten.Yes QLD boys in blue not a pleasant bunch.
We don’t have it as crazy as UsofA thank the heavens.

Wish Upon a Star
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Wish Upon a Star
June 4, 2020 1:10 pm
Reply to  Veronica

Thanks Veronica.

Alouetta
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Alouetta
June 3, 2020 9:17 am

Thank you for this post. I know you try to keep the conversation in the comments from turning ugly, but it really helps to get your take on this. I’m super keen to get your take on Australia. There are so many similarities, but also key differences that will keep things from playing out in the same way.

cynthea23
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cynthea23
June 3, 2020 8:32 am

Thank you so much for this post.

AB
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AB
June 3, 2020 8:21 am

love when you share stuff like this xox thankyou!

Melusine8
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Melusine8
June 3, 2020 8:17 am

I really appreciate your reflections here. Thank u

Crystallised future
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Crystallised future
June 3, 2020 8:10 am

Plutorose, this is a very thoughtful and insightful piece you have written. Thank you, and I feel grateful for our political system here in Australia where change from the top can seem to happen so much more easily than the US. Seems to me many a president has tried to instigate changes to the social or judicial system and got nowhere because of the political set-up. Take care.

camilla
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camilla
June 3, 2020 7:59 am

Great post. Thank you.

Wish Upon a Star
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Wish Upon a Star
June 4, 2020 1:09 pm
Reply to  camilla

I love your icon/drawing !

Electro
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Electro
June 3, 2020 7:42 am

Thank you for the post. The energy is deep and dark, and it helps to have places to go. The rot has always been there but it’s at a critical mass and must be cleansed. Like Calli G said it’s baked in. No matter what we think we know (I am not a POC), we must listen, educate, and think. And change.

Pegasus
Pegasus
June 3, 2020 9:46 am
Reply to  Electro

Electro just wrote about CLEANSING. Snap!

Electro
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Electro
June 3, 2020 11:25 am
Reply to  Pegasus

Man, this full moon is going to be 2 degrees from my Sag Moon Neptune and I feel it so hard. I hope the cleansing comment didn’t come off wrong, I have silly old Saturn with Mercury in my 10th and I’m always concerned about the way I express myself. Pluto through my third is def rattling that throat chakra though.

Electro
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Electro
June 3, 2020 7:35 am

This is totally diluting the conversation we as a collective need to have. Diluting and poisoning.

Ms.
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Ms.
June 3, 2020 7:25 am

Thank you for the astrological viewpoint, we need more real talk right now and I agree about the Neptune opposition. Living so far outside the ideology, preaching years of propaganda and denial. Its an incredible hypocrisy. A delusion, not just the heavy Pluto themes coming to light.

SourPatch
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SourPatch
June 3, 2020 6:48 am

So this is what a pluto return is like? Here I was thinking this is one of the better ‘presents’ of the Saturn/Pluto conjunction. The foundations of the US of A are African slavery and Native Genocide, so I guess this was a long time coming.

Ms.
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Ms.
June 3, 2020 7:07 am
Reply to  SourPatch

Long time. All colonisation is slavery and native genocide. Just if you stop instead of rebrand it and claim you are the hero.

SourPatch
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SourPatch
June 3, 2020 1:03 pm
Reply to  Ms.

Ummmm you do know you’re preaching to the choir, right?

TLE
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TLE
June 3, 2020 6:48 am

Thank you for this Mystic. There will be no peace for any of us without justice for all of us.

SourPatch
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SourPatch
June 3, 2020 6:44 am

You have a really flowery way of gaslighting Black people and justifying institutional racism. I see what you did there.

emg
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emg
June 3, 2020 6:40 am

To every story there is great depth and difficult aspects to hear. Thank you for giving this part of the whole. My wish is that change will occur at this time and that all souls will be released from the burdens of difference. I wish grace in the hearts of all souls to all souls.

Libra Moon Conjunct Pluto
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Libra Moon Conjunct Pluto
June 3, 2020 6:26 am

America’s original sins are slavery, genocide, and Manifest Destiny which became American Exceptionalism. Too many of us either fail or refuse to realize this country was built on the backs and with the blood of those they overruled and marginalized; this includes the White underclass such as the poor and those in the past deemed as undesirable (any group not Protestant or Anglo-Saxon). I think now is the time we are facing it and it does not look pretty. The sooner we can get over this collective denial, the sooner we can start to make moves to heal this, but… Read more »

SheRat
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SheRat
June 3, 2020 10:22 am

I would think that the reluctance to do jury duty is because they simply cannot afford the time off. State reimbursement often does not cover travel / expenses and most workplaces are not required to pay for the entire time off. If you have to take said time off, you could be let go. Even in states where that is illegal.

enkidu
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enkidu
June 3, 2020 6:16 am

Thank you SO MUCH for writing this post. I understand the need to make this site a safe haven rather than focusing on current affairs and I really do appreciate that. However the brutal, racist murder of George Floyd (and countless other POC) by the police needs to be talked about. I also love how you as a white person acknowledge your privilege. I unsubscribed from another (white, US) astrologer’s newsletter I received this week as they wrote we are all “exhausted” and some other vague platitudes. No, this is more than about us white people feeling exhausted and is… Read more »

libraquarian
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libraquarian
June 3, 2020 4:47 am

I’m a white-looking person of European descent, born with US citizenship. English is my second language. I have people telling me that I’m a “female immigrant of color” and that “this is my fight too”. Friends are upset that I’m not “utilizing my platform” to speak about this. Today they think publishing a black square on my social media is going to help. It’s like they’re hypnotized.

I don’t appreciate being told who I am, what to do or what to think.

Sagittaurean
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Sagittaurean
June 3, 2020 5:06 am
Reply to  libraquarian

Maybe this isn’t about you.

libraquarian
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libraquarian
June 3, 2020 9:43 am
Reply to  Sagittaurean

Please stop seeking my posts just because we disagreed on another comment. Do resist being childish, Sagittarius and all.

emg
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emg
June 3, 2020 6:21 am
Reply to  libraquarian

You have a sovereign consciousness. Use it as you can or will in this moment. Do not be bullied.

Ms.
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Ms.
June 3, 2020 7:10 am
Reply to  libraquarian

You must live in the whitest WASP neighbourhood ever

libraquarian
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libraquarian
June 3, 2020 9:48 am
Reply to  Ms.

I only live in the US part-time. Lived everywhere from small rural towns in the south to NYC, and the friends I have gathered are from all over.

TheNakedEye
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TheNakedEye
June 3, 2020 4:37 am

As a black American reading this is EXTREMELY hurtful. Some Americans are looking for every reason to excuse themselves from fighting the racism and brutality inherent in American law, politics and foundation. I see things I like this and wonder if white Americans, especially those from the South, are purposely forgetting Jim Crow, the KKK and lynching – all legally sanctioned activities White Americans used to police Black people until 1970. By KKK I mean law enforcement officers and other community leaders covered in white sheets burning crosses on peoples lawns, burning down churches, and intimidating people until the fled… Read more »

Sagittaurean
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Sagittaurean
June 3, 2020 5:02 am
Reply to  TheNakedEye

True and powerful words. I am sorry you have to read this delusional attempt to justify racism by willfully ignorant people who have been coasting comfortably and carelessly on a foundation built on injustice and inequality for so long and are now terrified that it may be taken away. Maybe they are unconscious of their motives but many others are aware. Power to you and power to the people. So much love and support to you in this revelatory time. ✊🏼✊🏿✊🏾

Melody
Melody
June 3, 2020 11:10 am
Reply to  TheNakedEye

The people who crushed George’s chest or watched him slowly suffocate to death begging for his mama while seeming bored for 9 minutes were not good people. I agree with you wholeheartedly on everything else.

Mt. Kilimanjaro
Mt. Kilimanjaro
June 4, 2020 8:07 am
Reply to  TheNakedEye

I hear you. The above comments are basically thinly veiled “All Lives Matter” or “Blue Lives Matter” BS.

JasLeoCap
JasLeoCap
June 3, 2020 4:36 am

Thank you for writing about this Mystic. I’m an american of mexican parents. some food for thought: this is something a person said on an astrology forum. do you think it resonates? “Saturn was in Aquarius during the LA Riots. Pluto was in Capricorn during the American Revolution, yet that is also when the country was founded. This is the first Pluto Return of the United States, and astrologers more wise than us would need to deeply study the next few years to see if a ‘revolution’ will occur again.” another person said the US’s Pluto return will be in… Read more »

joolz
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joolz
June 3, 2020 12:32 pm
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Relating to this. I’m in Mpls and I am feeling optimistic through the literal wreckage and reckoning because the conversations are being had in every corner. Everyone knows the police union boss’s name now. Everyone has heard about the other stories. People are calling, cleaning, showing up and connecting in a way that this rather distant, repressed and supposed self-sufficient culture (Scandinavian and German settlers, cold winters) always kept at arm’s length. I see a painful and excruciating outcome but I do see it positive ultimately though hard-won. The rural yokels and suburbs will not give up easily but Gen… Read more »

Sagittaurean
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Sagittaurean
June 3, 2020 4:36 am

There is so much evidence of Zimmerman being a racist and just an abusive person in general, in the time since he murdered Treyvon. The U.S. had no business in Vietnam. “Hero” cops have the ability to speak out against systemized racism and violence and it is their duty. Your rhetoric is antiquated, delusional and you are on the wrong side of history. Stop talking and read some of the books recommended in this comments thread, please.

Pegasus
Pegasus
June 3, 2020 9:59 am
Reply to  Sagittaurean

There’s the FIre in the Sagittuarean 🙂

Sagittaurean
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Sagittaurean
June 3, 2020 10:56 am
Reply to  Pegasus

Thank you. ❤️

artemis in the sea
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artemis in the sea
June 3, 2020 12:48 pm
Reply to  Pegasus

…And the Uranian in the Taurean, who‘s been waiting at the gates of this event in full costume, while everyone else is still frantically going through their wardrobe. Ready when you are!

SheRat
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SheRat
June 4, 2020 4:12 am
Reply to  Sagittaurean

Don’t even with the Zimmerman thing. Why that asshole is not in jail is beyond proof that the system is corrupt AF.

SheRat
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SheRat
June 3, 2020 3:37 am

I am white, middle-class, thin, etc. But 90% of all interactions I’ve had with US police have been abusive, or ended in threats. I was sexually assaulted by an officer when a friend and I were picked up for curfew at age 15. We were punk rockers and told no one would believe someone would want to fuck us. Chicago PD is, obviously, notoriously corrupt. In San Francisco, I was arrested for defending myself from being strangled by my husband (*I* was the one who’d called the police! and no, they didn’t arrest him–apparently this is a *thing* with women… Read more »

lisa guest
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lisa guest
June 3, 2020 5:02 am
Reply to  SheRat

Fascinating and so sorry. I too have had weird interchanges with cops but nothing like that. My Virgo is in Pluto in the 6th House… I know there is a part of me if something (written) isn’t perfect I kill it. Very critical Virgo and Scorpio parents… and it kicks up this essence in my chart. I have had 60 years to learn to tame it and take it down a notch. But it is there. This whole Pluto education is fascinating and so important.

Ms.
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Ms.
June 3, 2020 6:54 am
Reply to  SheRat

That is disgusting, I am so sorry you were assaulted and they had the nerve to arrest you for self defence but I am also not surprised. I was in a hostel when I was 14 trying to avoid this, saw a lot of shit and never saw them help once. I am white, non American now living in Europe- but all of my interactions with the Australian police have been equally as aggressive and unprovoked. I have seen them assault innocent people, use unnecessary force during protests, I have knowledge of them planting drugs, evidence, creating false reports and… Read more »

pearl
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pearl
June 3, 2020 7:32 am
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Similar profile and experiences,so I second this. Have always wondered about the serious problems surrounding the police culture in Australia as well, with personally traumatic wake up calls having to do with widespread corruption and sociopathic/ psychopathic police let loose. When will the force be closely scrutinized and filter out for these dangerous types?!!!?

Alouetta
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Alouetta
June 3, 2020 9:04 am
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Similar experiences with Australian cops. I have met a few ‘good’ ones but the system they operate in is broken. My hope is on this nightmare giving them the courage to show leadership like the sheriff in Flint.

Pegasus
Pegasus
June 3, 2020 9:52 am
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‘And i was the one who called the police’ O yes know that one. ‘Want to report a crime and they arrest YOU’.

Cafelatte
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Cafelatte
June 3, 2020 3:07 am

I feel like I’m living in a house of mirrors at a carnival, where the devil himself is ringmaster. It’s a dark, dangerous time in the US. We have a fool in the highest office of the nation, a deadly virus running rampant through our medical “system”, schools (often a safe haven for kids) are closed, police are armed like the military and are shooting and beating peaceful protesters, and no one is ok. I have to hope (and also act) that we come out the other side of this more compassionate, less racist, less corrupt, and somewhat enlightened. If… Read more »

libraquarian
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libraquarian
June 3, 2020 2:21 am

Your comment is very insightful. Thank you. I’m also in the US and I have lived in the Deep South, in cities with large black populations. You are so correct in saying that violence reflects demographics. It’s sad, and it’s the result of centuries of trauma, and something needs to be done about it, but whatever agenda is being pushed by the rioters is clearly not it. I hate sounding like a conspiracy theorist but the media really is twisting this to incite more and more violence which at this point is just sinking the US economy even more. George… Read more »

Sagittaurean
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Sagittaurean
June 3, 2020 4:40 am
Reply to  libraquarian

Human life is more important than property. Oh, but the irony that blacks were once considered property. You really aren’t thinking for yourself. Get real.

libraquarian
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libraquarian
June 3, 2020 5:00 am
Reply to  Sagittaurean

Can we disagree without the “you aren’t thinking for yourself”, the “stop talking” and the “get real”? Without demonizing or sowing discord? Because you are creating an argumentative-oppositional mentality of division that is causing the mayhem in the streets. Looters should deal with the consequences of their greed and misplaced anger away from other people. Especially if they cannot control their emotions long enough to realize they shouldn’t smash stores and steal things. Also, property supports human life. The food you eat is your property. The bed you sleep on is your property. Your time, which you may choose to… Read more »

Sagittaurean
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Sagittaurean
June 3, 2020 5:21 am
Reply to  libraquarian

I do believe Eris is the goddess of discord, so your request seems untimely.. Nothing I said was demonizing. Human life is more important than property. I am creating a mentality of division? When people have lived in a system of oppression for their whole lives, they might have some unruly emotions about it. Your obsession with “property” won’t change that. Countless humans had their lives stolen by slavery. The USA is stolen land; take that into consideration when you speak of “property”.

Crystallised future
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Crystallised future
June 3, 2020 8:04 am
Reply to  Sagittaurean

Were ONCE considered…….but not now

Sagittaurean
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Sagittaurean
June 3, 2020 8:17 am

Thanks for clearing that up for us all.

joolz
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joolz
June 3, 2020 12:38 pm
Reply to  libraquarian

Also, again from Mpls – after the first day or two, most of the “rioters” creating havoc are not black and many are not from here. They are driving in from the sticks to harass, destroy, create chaos and live out their twisted teenage-now-adult-dreams of violence and revenge. This is not from “Media” Reports but numerous eye witness accounts and video from trusted, sane friends all over the city. These guys use the protestors as cover and are highly organized. Check out Boogaloo Bois (yes with an i) for one example and Blac Bloc for another. P.S. The police did… Read more »

dizzarina
dizzarina
June 4, 2020 2:37 pm
Reply to  joolz

Thank you! This was not a case of shooting in perceived self-defense. This was wanton, sadistic disregard for human life.

Also, living in Portland and having many first-hand reports of the protests, it is indeed the Proud Boys/Boogaloo Bois type white men who are initiating the looting in many cases. Hell, there was even a cop who was outed by his ex-wife on social media for breaking the windows of an Auto Zone while protestors pleaded with him to stop.

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