A Homage to Mars In ‘Detriment’

The real meaning of Mars in so-called detriment is that it’s not actually a thing. The same goes for Mars in ‘fall.’ How many of you have, as avid potential astro-fiends or seekers of self-mastery, felt dejected upon finding out your Mars was apparently defective?

The concept comes from an ancient system known as planetary exaltation. Namely, that the Sun, Moon, and planets each had a sign of the Zodiac that they were exalted in. The opposite sign to that was the apparent ‘fall’ and if a planet was in the sign opposite that which it ruled, it was in detriment.

So, for example, Venus is supposedly exalted in Pisces and in its fall in Virgo. In the case of Mars, it’s exalted in Capricorn, in fall in Cancer. And, in Libra, it’s technically in detriment as Libra is across the galaxy from Aries, A.K.A. Mars Central. Some throw Mars in Taurus as well, it’s a Venusian sign and opposite Scorpio, the sign co-ruled by Mars.

Mars In Detriment? – No Way

By this logic, the people thus afflicted would be lazy, cowardly or malign. A super archaic way of talking about it was in terms of “thrones” and “prisons.”

But I don’t buy any of it. The origins of this system are dubious and besides, ‘ancient’ does not necessarily mean amazing and worthy of our adherence.

As Mars is such an oomphed up, immediate-results, what-the-fuq-just-happened (?) Yang vibe, it is always the most obvious when ‘bad.’ Medieval Mars descriptions read like a rap sheet: sedition, plunder, piracy, quarreling at pubs, stealing your neighbors’ oxen because you gambled yours away, blasphemy…Or, if you’re the slacker sort of bad-Mars character, you fall asleep under hay wagons and shun church.

Now, the exaltation system was bought to us by the same people who bought us “could cause homosexuality” as an example of a shitty astro-transit and declared the magical 12th house a lunatic asylum. It’s the language of Madonna versus Whore, ‘out of wedlock’, Fallen Angels, and exile for anyone outside of an incredibly narrow norm.

Medieval Mars Descriptions Read Like A Rap Sheet

Their version of a malfunctioning Mars was that a man could be ‘effeminate’ or a woman might seek to ‘wear the pants.’ Not wanting to fuq off to yet another Crusade would presumably also count as a dodgy Mars.

Mars is our assertive instincts, the aspect of the psyche that comes into play when trouble comes. It’s your fear-conquering arena strut. It’s also, of course, violent and turbulent when ill-expressed.

But the way you channel your Mars vibe is your choice; every Mars placement has strengths and weaknesses. It has nothing to do with exaltation or detriment. It’s irrational and it doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.

Here are some people who have/had Mars in Cancer. You may not admire all of them but they’re certainly not lacking motivation: Noam Chomsky, Patsy Kline, James Hunt, William Wallace (the Scottish independence fighter, memorably portrayed by Mel Gibson in Braveheart), Benazir Bhutto, Hope Solo, Odette Churchill, Al Capone, Malcolm X.

And, team Mars in Libra: Nelson Mandela, Margaret Thatcher, Genghis Kahn, Arianna Huffington, Abraham Lincoln, Frank Ocean,  Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Jeffree Star, Colin Kaepernick, Malala Yousafzai, Gore Vidal, Julia Gillard, Winston Churchill, George Orwell, Sigmund Freud, Eminem, Kobe Bryant, Danica Patrick, Louis Armstrong.

It’s really just old-style sexism – that Mars in the Moon and Venus-ruled signs is mysteriously compromised.

Thoughts?

Image: Thierry Mugler

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kunarajandran
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kunarajandran
April 22, 2020 3:00 am

Mystic, I am so glad I got my Astral DNA and Year Head readings done. Next, 6th house is Taurus and Venus is in my 10th house. I am still trying to make sense of it.

Sam
Sam
April 18, 2020 5:23 pm

I should probably ask this on a tarot forum (sorry and yes i have googled) but can anyone tell me if the Hierophant can sometimes mean simply doing things by the book? And that’s for the best? He’s come up 3-4 times for me now in a “Me” or a guidance placement and I can’t work out if I’m being told off for being inflexible (struggling to see that, I feel like the blade of grass here) or if it’s support for taking the official, proper, standard road for this particular issue, which is a matter of the heart. Pi… Read more »

Centaurus
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Centaurus
April 18, 2020 5:33 pm
Reply to  Sam

How about trust/faith in your inner authority and/or connecting with your own spiritual truth or wisdom x

Pegasus
Pegasus
April 19, 2020 11:38 am
Reply to  Sam

Pi-sie i agree with the Centaur, especially for YOU. Don’t give your power away! ‘Bowing to authorities, organised religion or cultural law. Custom and tradition can control an individual’s life energy’ as the hierophant is the law giver or internalised judge or parent and the prevailing cultural majority’.ie The Torah, the Bible, the Koran. This is from Mother Peace tarot. Cards are round not square as square too definitive and round can have degrees not just upright or reversed. Goes on to say ‘the hierophant represses others although the root of the word means ‘bringer of light to sacred things’.… Read more »

Wish Upon a Star
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Wish Upon a Star
April 19, 2020 3:10 pm
Reply to  Sam

Pi you are getting good advice from two online sages here. Blessed Centaurus and Pegasus.

Maybe the Heirophanti is giving you support for simply following your 💓.heart.

Sam
Sam
April 19, 2020 3:47 pm
Reply to  Sam

Thank you so much, lovely wise women. I deeply appreciate this. And You. Xox

Centaurus
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Centaurus
April 21, 2020 10:08 pm
Reply to  Sam

😁
….. and you! xx

Lili
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Lili
April 17, 2020 9:42 pm

Older astro dissed all the signs ruled by trans-Saturn planets- Scorp, Aqua, Pisces and warned of perversions, untoward ambition, delusions, drugs….ugh!

emg
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emg
April 16, 2020 6:25 pm

Ok so talking about fall and detriment but a while ago I had a pretty dull Vedic reading but possibly I wasn’t prepared for the analysis. I thought my sun Jupiter in the 5th cancer would be joyous and bright and wonderful and instead he said that throughout my life I would be shamed. Yup shamed. The collective will shun you and you will be a shameful woman. Pretty much walked away thinking pah. Stuff that. But, but some maybe six or seven years later I was listening to another chap talking about Vedic and Jupiter and he pinned my… Read more »

Wish Upon a Star
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Wish Upon a Star
April 16, 2020 7:00 pm
Reply to  emg

Goddess I hope so!

It’s just the Madonna/whore theory playing out among the mediocre. Hey you scare me sometimes and sometimes I think you are autistic But your emotional understanding suggrsts no.

But I adore your audacity. Goddesses are very bold in their sexuality. Your essence is very pure. .

Shine on you crazy Diamind !

emg
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emg
April 16, 2020 10:12 pm

You are not the first to say scared but it’s mostly men who tell me I scare them to death. Hahaha. No not autistic in the slightest but just really profoundly honest and real. Everyone who really gets to know me knows I’m the biggest softest thing out there. But don’t tell everyone. They have to find it out for themselves.

Centaurus
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Centaurus
April 16, 2020 7:01 pm
Reply to  emg

And again it all comes down to perception. It never fails and still manages to surprise me personally even though I know this.

Shame as a feeling/sensation to point you to truth but also acknowledge the challenges and conflict you may experience when you walk that path. That’s a powerful way to spin that feeling.

It’s useful intel and you’re using it as intended imo.

emg
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emg
April 16, 2020 10:16 pm
Reply to  Centaurus

Yup perception. Initially I dropped it because I couldn’t get the grip on it. I didn’t let it worry me but I didn’t or couldn’t see it. Now I see it and now I understand it’s meaning. And yes I do get that feeling and for a networker it’s tough but I suppose it’s morphed into a fearlessness. Who ever thinks we stop growing is not looking in right places.

Centaurus
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Centaurus
April 17, 2020 9:49 am
Reply to  emg

Networking is such a skill and well… it’s not mine and never has been. For a Saggo Sun you’d think I’d have some natural enthusiasm for these things but I really don’t. One of my good friends is also Saggo and she is just a natural at it. I also know some very skilled Scorpio networkers. I think Leo’s can be quite good at it also.

Absolutely we don’t stop growing. Maybe even when we think we’re not or we feel like we’re on a plateau we still are but in more subtle ways.

milleunanotte
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milleunanotte
April 16, 2020 7:28 pm
Reply to  emg

Emg, your observation of your man’s Mars in Pisces aggression being distasteful got me on a truly personal experience of understanding. So deep and concurrent, i could not reply to it. But it helps so much. I do not want to be eternally belligerent and repetitively stuck in patterns that i invited but are not my own. I see some differences and also some small similarities that are just too small

emg
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emg
April 16, 2020 10:38 pm
Reply to  milleunanotte

There is some deep stuff being illuminated here then. I know you will integrate it and I wish you increased understanding and more compassion for yourself, if that is what is required.

Wish Upon a Star
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Wish Upon a Star
April 16, 2020 8:05 pm
Reply to  emg

Fuq the collective !

emg
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emg
April 16, 2020 10:18 pm

Wish you are funny.

Centaurus
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Centaurus
April 16, 2020 8:09 pm
Reply to  emg

And in a completely relatable but also curious kind of reflection how does anyone who doesn’t relate to the so called ‘collective’ (whatever that actually is and dismissing prescribed norms) integrate and commune? Honest question from someone who gets what you’re saying but also thinks the path out of this is not in an ‘opposed to or against’ but ‘with’ stance? Sure, I can most definitely rock a boat, rattle a cage or shake an apple cart and maybe even take some joy in the process but I don’t do it often anymore and I have concluded that it rarely… Read more »

emg
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emg
April 16, 2020 10:24 pm
Reply to  Centaurus

If I understand you correctly, we all have to live in the collective because it brings us societal norms and principals which as civilised beings we try to adhere to. But some of us are designed to be very much in that camp. They like to belong, to have a tribe a religion a glue that binds a group and they would flounder without. Then there are those who can swing a bit more to being an individual and who can survive without religion or prescription broadly speaking then there are those who are the lone wolves. They don’t much… Read more »

emg
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emg
April 16, 2020 10:56 pm
Reply to  emg

And I’d suggest don’t dilute the you just to fit in. Then we simply have one shade of grey. We really need authentic voice now more than ever. Just beware that your voice may be utterly opposed to another’s. and that is ok but in society then we end up with compromise before we have the argument and things shift. That shift is not usually comfortable either but we evolve our society and move on.

Centaurus
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Centaurus
April 17, 2020 10:07 am
Reply to  emg

Yes, good point thank you x

Some days are easier to roll with than others vis-a-vis your comments here.

Centaurus
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Centaurus
April 17, 2020 10:05 am
Reply to  emg

Yes, that’s essentially what I meant and I’d say I sit in the second camp pretty comfortably and probably prefer it overall though less rebellious than I perhaps once was. I guess the other thing that strikes me as having relevance when I think about this stuff is that even the individual who goes off grid or stands to the side of conventional norms as a couple of examples needs the collective to have that position otherwise that position just wouldn’t exist. How could it? We project our views, values and beliefs on the world so we need the collective… Read more »

milleunanotte
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milleunanotte
April 17, 2020 6:09 pm
Reply to  Centaurus

When you grow up feeling and being raised in a fairly elite margin of society, but have been consistently viewed and treated as Other and Not Really Belonging, though you and your history have been part of the forge of that, then you realise it can only be in the difficult to come by personals that any of us can actually challenge the cage and know where our freedoms are. Then we relate. Not you and me, just my personal rug weave. I really appreciated your amazing honesty of self and reaction when we met.

Centaurus
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Centaurus
April 18, 2020 4:49 pm
Reply to  milleunanotte

The outlier or outlander. As an archetype I wonder what Astro signature would be fairly consistent .. if it were that simple for all the myriad of combinations. Your theme sounds like it sits on the 4/10 axis perhaps.

Yes, that’s it really isn’t it – the ‘cage’ itself is an interesting concept that I’d likely thrash about were I not so zapped from intensive reading/note taking.

((Mille)) – and absolutely same to you! xx

milleunanotte
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milleunanotte
April 17, 2020 6:01 pm
Reply to  Centaurus

Let’s put it thus way, your ‘with’ non-tribe people can mean a lot more to creating a sense of bel9nging and wholeness than you give credence. The space and understanding you make is real, and you can always go for more, if that is what you want xxx

Centaurus
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Centaurus
April 18, 2020 4:51 pm
Reply to  milleunanotte

Thank you lovely xx

Charlie chaplin
Charlie chaplin
April 16, 2020 5:13 pm

It is what it is I have Uranus in Taurus conjunct my mars in Taurus 2nd house and I have it sextile Jupiter in cancer 5th so that helps and square Neptune so that also helps aha anyway point being I could beat the shit out of any of the mars signs as a mars in Taurus with benefic aspects I honestly am just to fast

milleunanotte
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milleunanotte
April 16, 2020 7:44 pm

Too fast and not really very self reflective. Benefic aspects give no native quarter to contemplate your own schizz and its effects. You will need multiple events and chapters to even get the pattern of what that might mean. Good luck, Toro. Beware the red flags! They are yours.

Pegasus
Pegasus
April 15, 2020 8:20 pm

Where is the list on the right of my side on the position of the planets w/o going into Astrodienst?

milleunanotte
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milleunanotte
April 16, 2020 7:06 pm
Reply to  Pegasus

Yeh, looked for this a few times. Gave up.

Centaurus
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Centaurus
April 16, 2020 7:54 pm
Reply to  Pegasus

Is a plug in ladies and still available on the Astro.com site. Maybe there have been upgrades on MM that require a reset – apols if stating the obvs x

Pegasus
Pegasus
April 17, 2020 10:59 am
Reply to  Centaurus

Thought it maybe on the Moon Cal, alas no but can be worked out from that info. About to buy a new macbook.There is a problem buying from O/S (a bit cheaper) due to shipping transport delays. New 2020 models are in short supply, of course because of new to some working-teaching- from- home gig. Bad time to negotiate and can’t use ‘discount for cash’ line either. Will buy locally as if any problems only a short trip to seller whereas from Hong Kong….bit far to drive, and thereby pay more. Even though my current one is working it’s S… Read more »

Centaurus
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Centaurus
April 18, 2020 4:57 pm
Reply to  Pegasus

One day I might go with the Mac. Having grown up with and used PC professionally for so long I’m perhaps just in a groove of comfortability but I do like them. May Mercury speed you an amazing new communication device! Money definitely has an emotional current. You can try going with the emotion but flip it to something more desirable if it’s not an emotion to your liking. The only caveat there that I’ve encountered in life is that the one you want to dispose of will ask to be felt first. The risk of banishing it to the… Read more »

Pegasus
Pegasus
April 19, 2020 12:00 pm
Reply to  Centaurus

That reply is so wisdom based. Resonates of course about not being bothered to wait – it’s not that important in the first place.. It’s documents music and photos mostly in memory. The creativity of apple products are appealing and excellent support system. Instinct tells me to wait a few weeks until the buying spree of laptops levels out. I remember the excitement of my first PC, macbook in 2003/4 and going into Mystic’s website and seeing a blog one could reply to posts.. Everyone was ‘blogging’ but this site was so educational, so much to learn and us Saggos… Read more »

Centaurus
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Centaurus
April 21, 2020 10:07 pm
Reply to  Pegasus

TY 😁

scorpiodawn
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scorpiodawn
April 15, 2020 5:38 am

so this goes for every planet then…?

Skarab
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Skarab
April 17, 2020 2:04 am
Reply to  scorpiodawn

yes. google planets rulership detriment exaltation. x

Catriona
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Catriona
April 14, 2020 8:40 am

Mars in Libra has always bugged me. Not being the assertive type & with my sun in the 12th house, I hang in the background and observe. This fresh take on Mars, with references to aspirational people, has actioned an ‘a-ha’ moment. I’ve always used my quiet, wait until the right time to strike, nature. By watching and waiting (like a fox in hiding) I see when the other people have exhausted themselves and then I gently suggest, or take action.

thanks mystic x

emg
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emg
April 15, 2020 5:04 pm
Reply to  Catriona

You know thinking your mars or Venus is crappy and berating yourself for not having this or that attribute is so counter productive. Your mars was being used your way and that simply means you have mars skills others don’t and when we realise we were doing us right all along what a relief ! It’s about how we feel comfortable expressing our whole personality. I’m glad you’ve seen your mars in a new light. There is no right or wrong way to do or be anything.

Wish Upon a Star
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Wish Upon a Star
April 16, 2020 3:52 pm
Reply to  emg

Good on ya emg.

emg
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emg
April 16, 2020 6:04 pm

Grazie

Wish Upon a Star
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Wish Upon a Star
April 16, 2020 6:50 pm
Reply to  emg

Thank you Bella !

Catriona
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Catriona
April 20, 2020 2:35 pm
Reply to  emg

thank Emg, exactly, I have different Mars skills, that’s a great way of accepting it.

Gia
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Gia
April 13, 2020 7:59 pm

Years ago I had a chart reading by a respectable astrologer in my country. I was deemed as lazy, not amount to anything, due to my Mars in Pisces in the 5th house placement. I totally believed her. Thank you Mystic for this.

sphinx
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sphinx
April 14, 2020 11:47 am
Reply to  Gia

That is so incorrect! My partner has Mars in Pisces and he is known by all for being very hardworking and diligent. His stellium in Gemini is in the 5th House all square his Mars, so his Mars is highly activated. He is always building something, practicing guitar, cooking and used to do loads of martial arts, he is industrious in his creative hobbies too. Definitely not a pushover but finds aggression distasteful. I would imagine you would be fabulously creative with this placement!

milleunanotte
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milleunanotte
April 17, 2020 1:34 pm
Reply to  sphinx

SPHINX, IT WAS YOU! Credit where it’s due. I cannot explain well but there is a lot of wisdom swirling in currents from three of you on this site who share an astro signature. I can be a very confused/synthesising receiver of these wisdoms. And funny, it’s come back wise in response anyway 🤣

emg
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emg
April 15, 2020 5:13 pm
Reply to  Gia

It’s how you take lazy, it could mean a thousand things. Granted not a brilliant reading as there was no nuance given or exploration unless you heard that word and froze in the headlights. If you froze in the headlights did lazy resonate ? If it did then it’s a doorway open to explore your take on the meaning of lazy, not amounting to much and all else you heard. Thankfully now if I hear a word that hits me I take the time to explore why. I’d read that mars differently. Maybe your action will take along while to… Read more »

Sam
Sam
April 16, 2020 3:37 pm
Reply to  Gia

“Lazy” is a hateful word , it leaves the person with absolutely nowhere to go and is so utterly closed and unfair. It says more about the narrow view and prejudices of the person doing the name calling.
Long story short I am defending you. Mars fish in the 5th seems dreamy , like a songwriter or Numero Uno fan club person, someone who fights to defend love and fun or parties their way into creativity

emg
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emg
April 16, 2020 6:12 pm
Reply to  Sam

I can’t think any word is hateful. That is limiting our language and our appreciation of it. Where’s the nuance. If you want to be contained by a word so be it. But I’d always ask that if you are stung by anything that you explore it and why it made you feel that way. As discussed below the lazy folk with this configuration turned out to be brilliance just in waiting. We all need to do a bit more waiting ready to grasp the really important things to us. I embrace my lazy and my other half has taken… Read more »

Centaurus
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Centaurus
April 16, 2020 6:48 pm
Reply to  Sam

Lazy ain’t a hateful word to me. I’m a Toro riser and I love me a bit of lazy veg-out time. I don’t see that as a negative. I’m powered up and active when I need to be but if I don’t need to be I am not and I call that relaxation. I don’t know why folk need to keep perpetually busy and/or achieving to feel valid or like life means anything… but I accept that there are people that measure success and who they are as such. In Astro speak – Lazy = trine = focus and conscious… Read more »

emg
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emg
April 16, 2020 10:34 pm
Reply to  Centaurus

That is hilarious. His chart is one big grand trine. In earth. Nothing else. Just a grand trine. I mean come on. Lucky fortunate swine! Me, it’s a mess of squares, granted with a water grand trine but more squares than your average chess board. Constant drive constant pressure. And they say opposites attract!

Centaurus
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Centaurus
April 17, 2020 10:11 am
Reply to  emg

Yes I have that kind of thing but the Asc is one of the points. Still it fits my thing but I also have a T-square as well.

Have a look at the houses… well you probably already have. I can’t get my head around how that would feel to have no square action. Interesting!

Squares can feel relentless eh.

Two grand trines working in tandem and you throwing in some square action just to keep it real 🙂

milleunanotte
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milleunanotte
April 17, 2020 1:08 pm
Reply to  Centaurus

Well, i like to see my laziness as the Saturn in Taurus 6th shrinking back the energies to the essentials 😁

Centaurus
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Centaurus
April 18, 2020 4:58 pm
Reply to  milleunanotte

Hahahaha… I read your comment and just did a word association which totally cold shouldered Saturn and only saw Taurus and thought ah, yes.. couch time!

Pegasus
Pegasus
April 17, 2020 11:39 am
Reply to  Centaurus

Wondering if lazy could mean unobservant?
Like the person doesn’t see that they need to take their own cups to the kitchen from the lounge instead of going to kitchen empty handed?

milleunanotte
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milleunanotte
April 17, 2020 1:16 pm
Reply to  Pegasus

Or unfocused. You start something then lose focus and don’t get back to it. Maybe it wasn’t your true focus, true intention, anyway. It’s ok to experiment.

Centaurus
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Centaurus
April 18, 2020 5:01 pm
Reply to  milleunanotte

And again – absolutely!

It can also be a way to avoid completing something.

emg
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emg
April 17, 2020 4:33 pm
Reply to  Pegasus

Ha ! Haha. Come on those cups were helping with the consciousness delving they were doing.

Centaurus
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Centaurus
April 18, 2020 4:59 pm
Reply to  Pegasus

Absolutely – genius observation and a valid interp of the word.

Chrysalis
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Chrysalis
April 16, 2020 3:51 pm
Reply to  Gia

I feel the need to defend your Mars in Pisces in the 5th. It’s the Mars of poets, songwriters, creators, lovers. Paul Weller springs to mind.

Skarab
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Skarab
April 16, 2020 5:45 pm
Reply to  Gia

I thought i would ad a list of “lazy, amount to nothing”, Mars in Pisces people:

Simone de Beauvoir, Michelangelo, Gertrude Stein, Hermann Hesse, Elizabeth Taylor, Justin Trudeau, Tina Turner, Che Guevara, Vincent van Gogh, Martina Navratilova, David Beckham, Tom Hanks, Miles Davis, and my favourite laziest, good-fer-nuthin untalented poet, singer, songwriter, Nobel laureate, Bob Dylan.

Chrysalis
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Chrysalis
April 16, 2020 6:39 pm
Reply to  Skarab

Wow that’s quite a list!

Skarab
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Skarab
April 16, 2020 11:15 pm
Reply to  Chrysalis

yeah, but i just realised not necessarily in the 5th H. Mars is opposite my Mercury ATM & i jumped the gun before checking all requirements.
Still, i don’t understand how Mars/Pisces in the 5th H would be deemed lazy, seeing it’s in the Leo domain…Fire?

sphinx
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sphinx
April 16, 2020 10:38 pm
Reply to  Skarab

Martina, Miles and Michelangelo! Wow! Can’t call that horror Che lazy I guess, can never unsee that photo of him murdering teen girls, ugh. Bob is a great poet. Mars in Pisces is an interesting expression of energy, embodying the dreams and fantasies of the collective. Ideology and ideals into practice..

milleunanotte
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milleunanotte
April 17, 2020 1:23 pm
Reply to  sphinx

Funny, looking at that list i can see how Mars aggro came out in other ways in those history-mark-makers. It is still an energy regardless of its motivation, and it still gets channelled. I would never have, and still don’t feel i have a ‘good mars’. Mystic is the first to show me the surprise, and it’s the first time i learned to look back and appreciate what it did, look around and beyond my frustration with what i haven’t done and notice what i am doing. Lazy Piscean? So i was always told. But i am the Mistress of… Read more »

UraniaMuse
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UraniaMuse
April 13, 2020 9:22 am

Thank you Mystic, for yet another, and not just any other, liberating out-frame, de-frame and re-frame of that pathetic outdated astro-language.
Your blog on mars retro just fizzled out my residual tendrils of reactivity to that old shiz.
The sheer quality of your written consciousness is reverberating in my awe-inspired gratitude sphere.

UraniaMuse
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UraniaMuse
April 13, 2020 2:39 pm
Reply to  UraniaMuse

….”mars metro” typo…should read ‘mars detro’ 🙂

SheRat
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SheRat
April 13, 2020 9:02 am

So would we say Huck Finn is Mars in Libra?

Skarab
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Skarab
April 14, 2020 1:18 am
Reply to  SheRat

Yeah, I reckon Saggo with Mars in Libra.
I can’t imagine a better placement for Mars, frankly.
OK, so maybe Genkhis was swinging more towards the Aries side of the Libra-Aries axis, and some would argue Thatcher was too – and interestingly they both had their Mars Libra being squared by Pluto in Cancer, perhaps making them a tad megalomaniacal – but on the whole that list is full of pretty awesome people working for the fairer social good.

emg
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emg
April 13, 2020 4:32 am

I’ve got mars in cancer. And although it is classed as not being the best placement I consider it’s just like any other aspect. I’ve got a shed load of squares too but this is my lot as such. I think I’ve just used my mars in a different fashion from the stated norm value. Who cares who said what and when. It’s me that lives it out the best way I can and I don’t know any other way to live it out. So I’ll not get flustered by any of this.

putski
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putski
April 13, 2020 1:51 am

Thank you for setting the story straight .. have both Mars in Cancer and Venus in Virgo.

libraquarian
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libraquarian
April 13, 2020 1:49 am

I disagree with the statement about the planets in “fall” coming from dubious origins – it comes from Vedic, sidereal astrology which does deserve its place in anyone’s astrological studies. To me it has as much importance as squares or challenging aspects. If you work it, it works.

I do agree it’s not the end of the world. Mars in Libra in the 8th house and I’m pretty sure I won’t have the same death as JFK. My Venus in Virgo in the 7th is teaching me to stop being a masochist.

libraquarian
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libraquarian
April 13, 2020 11:13 pm
Reply to  Mystic

In any case, I just signed up for law school so let’s see how that experiment goes with my “debilitated” mars 😀

AB
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AB
April 12, 2020 9:30 pm

i read that mars in libra only works if/when you do things for other people

Wish Upon a Star
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Wish Upon a Star
April 13, 2020 11:27 pm
Reply to  Mystic

Thanks Mystic. That’s what this Mars in Libra does.

I once read that Mars Libra meant the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. I did internalise it, I was younger then. Now they can go fuq themselves.

It is important to be able to think for yourself and think on your feet, trust your gut.

Perfectpisces
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Perfectpisces
April 12, 2020 6:19 pm

every single one of them + interest and bonuses•

Mysticcaitlin
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Mysticcaitlin
April 12, 2020 5:49 pm

Absolutely love the helpful back ground into the exalted/ falling terms history! Really excellent context for how those terms/ concepts can be produce a limiting way of thinking about mars placements ( or any other placement for that matter.) Awesome as always!

Triple Air Gem
Triple Air Gem
April 12, 2020 4:11 pm

I’ve got mars in cancer so I’m wanting you to be right on this. Looking at that list of mars in cancer peeps though and a lot of them kinda really struggled… 😳

Perfectpisces
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Perfectpisces
April 12, 2020 6:20 pm
Reply to  Triple Air Gem

idc. stop stealing

ScorpintheSky
ScorpintheSky
April 13, 2020 4:11 am
Reply to  Triple Air Gem

Yeah I know the list is a bit scary. A bit of futile fighting that ended in death.

Sam
Sam
April 12, 2020 1:49 pm

THANK YOU I detest any Astro or any info anywhere that makes someone feel like shit about themselves /their lot and doesn’t offer anywhere to go, any fresh take, new updated perspective, some headroom. Yes: compassion is where it’s at, Agree that blanket judgements like this can fuq off and yes I see the irony in my blanket condemnation of this but at least that assessment is in defence of helping ppls learn, grow, and understand. And to be Kind!! To themselves and others, oh yes also happy borrowed rebirth day too Mr JC (you have to admit he was… Read more »

Centaurus
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Centaurus
April 16, 2020 6:38 pm
Reply to  Sam

Hey Pi, isn’t anything (italics) a fit to that first sentence? By that I mean anything that makes a blanket judgement about you or someone that thinks a particular gender, generation, social class, belief system, religion, lifestyle or whatever equals limitation or something wrong. I agree that sticks and stones still do actually hurt when the connect with the skin or the ego (despite all attempts to turn them into non effectual nothing at all blips) but ultimately we get to decide the value of anything be that about who we are, what we believe in or how we choose… Read more »

Centaurus
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Centaurus
April 17, 2020 10:14 am
Reply to  Sam

Hey Pi – just my usual musings and yes, we’ve all been there.

Sending you a virtual ((hug))

Pegasus
Pegasus
April 18, 2020 9:35 am
Reply to  Sam

The word kind in French is gentile as in gentle pronounced ‘jonteel’, beautiful sound beautiful word and isn’t it true that kind people are mostly gentle.

Centaurus
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Centaurus
April 12, 2020 11:10 am

I don’t have this. I have it’s opposite but I can quite emphatically say that until I began to grasp the energy of Mars and how I might work with it there were most definitely occasions where it may have looked to be operating in detriment. Ok, perhaps they were mini – eras lol.

Skarab
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Skarab
April 15, 2020 8:17 pm
Reply to  Centaurus

I don’t have this either, & let me just say that in this mini-era of near total lockdown where i live (i.e, no going out AT ALL except for emergency food & meds – 5 weeks now) and having Mars in a Fire sign (conjunct Uranus & sq Jupiter), feels like there’s a part of me which is a wild beast trapped in a cage & i’m trying to keep it from devouring me by using only my mental powers. This is what i call natal Mars being detrimental to ones’ health. Also like to add that whenever i have… Read more »

Centaurus
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Centaurus
April 16, 2020 5:51 pm
Reply to  Skarab

I am still out to some extent for work and family care but keeping it as slim as I can. If it hasn’t already, it’s going to start to grate at everyone’s Mars vibe I reckon. Your awareness + discipline/commitment/focus of (higher) Mars will help keep you in check.. but hey having Jupiter as my solar ruler I know that can also mean having your hands full… meaning Jupiter can have a bloomin’ excuse for everything hahaha… funny/not funny in my experience. Jupiter is grand at justifying just about anything but not showing up for you after the thing has… Read more »

Skarab
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Skarab
April 17, 2020 12:14 pm
Reply to  Centaurus

Sitting with the tension & inner critic much, last few days?….. cue trans Mars opp my Mercury (feeling like a bag full of fighting snarling cats) ….. & cue trans Saturn conjunct my IC & opposite Moon-MC… (i never see Saturn coming until i’m deep in it for some reason).
You have no idea how much your words to me & up next door at Pi’s have reminded me & helped me right now, in this dark night (dramatic i know, but it’s been a doozy) … but maybe you do 🙂 Thank you so much, C. xxx

Centaurus
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Centaurus
April 18, 2020 5:26 pm
Reply to  Skarab

Loving the images that I’ve created to match your words Skarab. Next we need a theme song… Luna is the subconscious psyche but she’s out in the open on the MC so probably not where she feels at her most comfortable all the time. Saturn propping on the IC is challenging her by squatting in her natural home like some relative you didn’t invite but showed up with an overnight bag unannounced running a white glove over your bureau whilst tut-tutting that you should have expected him. I know Saturn often gets associated with masculine energy (and that’s probably due… Read more »

Skarab
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Skarab
April 19, 2020 1:55 am
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Yes, feeling more at peace and resolute to work this vibe, thank you,C. Loving the image of Saturn with white gloves wiping over surfaces. My home & psyche are gonna be gleaming after one year of its presence around my IC, taking into account the retro activity (fuq me that’s a long time & coinciding with obligatory domicile lockdown – talk about Saturn saturation). Your rant above at Pi’s, reminded me to rein in my overactive Mars and to stop engaging in pointless polarity-encrusted rages at society & individuals ….*I Will Survive* this dualist, polarised plane(t) ……. which brings me… Read more »

Centaurus
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Centaurus
April 19, 2020 10:00 am
Reply to  Skarab

Yay – exhales and then deploys Mars to get around the home in stealth without alerting Saturn to your every movement. 😀 You’ll probably get caught by surprise sometimes as you come out of one room into the next… and y’know there he is clipboard in hand peering over his specs at you… I’d anticipate it and have a short dismissive statement to give Saturn before excusing myself… really busy you see so can’t chat right now….send me an outlook invite next time please so I’m better prepared. And double yay!! Honestly if you nail polarity rage then you’ll free… Read more »

judith
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judith
April 12, 2020 8:55 am

venus in virgo. mars in libra. have hated the ancient delineation for SO LONG. thank you for bringing us out of the dirty much of the past. growing older has helped shape the purpose of my virgo venus(service and discernment)and libra mars (leadership at the rank of general,when necessary). i will now go back and finish reading what you have so generously written. bless you always.

Sam
Sam
April 12, 2020 3:17 pm
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Every Mars in libra I know is a hella negotiator. If there’s something complex to be worked up with multiple parties, I would definitely want a Libra Mars involved.

libraquarian
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libraquarian
April 13, 2020 1:44 am
Reply to  judith

Hey I am the same! Plus mars in 8th house and Venus in 7th house

R(Aqua/Tauri)
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R(Aqua/Tauri)
April 12, 2020 4:50 am

Mars in Aries BUT it’s in the 12th house, womp womp

I am resilient, it can take me a long time to get things done or solve problems but I never give up.

Mergoat Scorp
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Mergoat Scorp
April 12, 2020 9:33 am
Reply to  R(Aqua/Tauri)

Yes I have Mars in Scorpio in the 12th house. I wondered whether my procrastination stems from this. But when the pressure’s on, I get it done.

Centaurus
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Centaurus
April 12, 2020 10:25 am
Reply to  R(Aqua/Tauri)

I had not long replied to your other post and then read this.

Rubent
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Rubent
April 12, 2020 3:45 am

Mars in moon or Venus rules signs is not compromised, just as Venus in mars signs (Aries and Scorpio) is not a single-for-life sentence. Mars in the above signs needs to find new ways to express itself that it doesn’t inherently have perhaps. That requires more watching, listening, interacting with ones environment and others in order to find that balance. These are actions but perhaps have been categorized as ‘passive’ actions. Are they though? Anyone else so those things and find it can be exhausting? Given it is extra work than say a mars in aries has to do to… Read more »

Centaurus
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Centaurus
April 12, 2020 11:05 am
Reply to  Rubent

Good read on your Venus evolution and insights. I have Venus (alleged) detriment also (different house/sign) so this is interesting.

Sam
Sam
April 12, 2020 3:26 pm
Reply to  Rubent

Yes!! Thank you for your Venus in aries words. Like detriment, fuq off, I have always considered that an affront. That Aries placement has surged me out of some major life shite so i do like her and have mucho gratitude
I have also faced the same sometimes hard learned adjustments, yet share a sporting love of noisy competitiveness… It goes doubly with a 4th house Libra node. Learning to play nice with others.

april
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april
April 12, 2020 2:46 am

Man, I hope this stuff doesn’t make people feel bad – though the idea of “detriment” is probably supposed to. They’re tools through which you can “divine” your own style and approach to things. Nothing is inherently better than anything else, it’s just how you wield it – being a super mars-in-aries “bull in a china shop” has its own complications, I’m sure… (and I say this as a regular sun-in-aries “bull in a china shop”)

ScorpintheSky
ScorpintheSky
April 12, 2020 2:46 am

As someone with Mars in cancer and Saturn in Leo this is very reassuring mystic.

scorpiodawn
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scorpiodawn
April 13, 2020 8:44 pm
Reply to  ScorpintheSky

snap!

ScorpintheSky
ScorpintheSky
April 18, 2020 6:55 pm
Reply to  scorpiodawn

I was being serious. I actually thought it was reassuring cause the comments about it are usually such a horror show.

Sam
Sam
April 16, 2020 3:53 pm
Reply to  ScorpintheSky

Fellow Saturn in Leo-er here too… I’ve been coming across some interesting and perspective-challenging views on this.
For example, consider
– whether some Leo traits are lurking in your shadow
– when the going gets tough (saturn), you get Leo
– you may be more leo than you think

ScorpintheSky
ScorpintheSky
April 18, 2020 6:57 pm
Reply to  Sam

That’s very interesting. Thanks for the feedback. My dad and brother are both Leo sun signs so there could be shadow elements in my family drama. Maybe when the going gets tough I SHOULD get Leo.

acometdire
acometdire
April 12, 2020 2:41 am

Astro novice here. My Mars is in Aries in the first house, seemingly a strong position from what I understand, but it’s squaring Neptune, Jupiter, and Saturn. Does this explain my lack of go-get em attitude despite my strong mars placement?

Centaurus
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Centaurus
April 12, 2020 11:04 am
Reply to  acometdire

It depends…

A mix of transit and natal, yes?

I would probably start with natal placements and get to know that terrain before I started looking at transits too much but if there is something you’re really feeling check it out. Mars will be working (he always does) but reading you it sounds like he’s perhaps not working out in the open.

What areas of life are feeling like that Mars energy is being thwarted or you just cant get the movement and motivation you want?

Agstar
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Agstar
April 13, 2020 9:19 pm
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Yes I understand my Mars in Leo is squared by Neptune, and my sun and moon are squared by Neptune too, so hard to get going but it’s great for feeling the energy in say qi gong or martial arts

LotusFlower
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LotusFlower
April 11, 2020 10:14 pm

Mars in Libra here and always felt the sting of hearing it was weak here, think I internalised that judgy message. Only thing is mine is tightly conjunct my Sun in the 9th and loosely conjunct my Uranus and MC conjunction, so I have a lot more unpredictable and potentially radical/stirring it up energy than is at first apparent. Add in Sagg rising for extra I told you so zeal. It is injustice that tends to get me going, and hypocrisy. I’d say I’m tolerant but taking mental notes (maybe the benefit of, being ‘in it’s detriment’) and when the… Read more »

Sam
Sam
April 12, 2020 3:38 pm
Reply to  LotusFlower

Holy crap do you work in the justice system or some kind of international research on equality or something.. that’s a terrific amount of legal eagle vibe.
Barrister..? Journalist?
It’s all a bit establishment I get it but still
Amazing

LotusFlower
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LotusFlower
April 12, 2020 11:27 pm
Reply to  Sam

Hmm, missed opportunities. No I’m an artist.

davidl
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davidl
April 11, 2020 8:56 pm

Mars in Cancer 1st house with an Aries sun in the 10th and Saturn in Capricorn 7th house. Libra NN in the 4th house. So the cardinal cross Is my foundation. As for mars in cancer I have relied on it many times. It adds a canniness and emotional sensitivity to my Aries exuberance and blunt force. I use mars to make it very clear to people that my focus is on family and home matters first so work projects and social connections that respect that focus will be met with open arms and great effort. Any attempt to harm… Read more »

LotusFlower
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LotusFlower
April 11, 2020 10:06 pm
Reply to  davidl

I love this. Good read and use of the energies!

ScorpintheSky
ScorpintheSky
April 12, 2020 2:42 am
Reply to  davidl

This is a good spin on this. I have Mars in cancer and always felt like it handicapped my aggression. I am very incompetent in a situation of competition. Just had an abusive boss and decided to leave the job for example. So you have any other examples of how you’ve used your Mars in cancer to your advantage?

davidl
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davidl
April 12, 2020 10:58 am
Reply to  ScorpintheSky

I suppose using your scenario, my mars in cancer would quietly line up some back up work first, save a little money, get my closest friends in the office on side and patiently wait for the opportunity to publicly slam the abusive boss like only an Aries can, then grab my stuff, hold my head up high and hand in my preprepared resignation to either that bosses superior or him while informing him that your legal people will be in touch with him soon to teach him a lesson that he will surely never forget.

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ScorpintheSky
ScorpintheSky
April 12, 2020 2:37 pm
Reply to  davidl

That’s an excellent play. For a few reasons it was not possible for me. We were the only 2 in the office for example. I suppose being an Aries sun ameliorates the Mars in cancer and makes your overall personality a bit more direct. Maybe how the Mars in cancer functions for you is as good family/work boundaries.

My last role was events and marketing. From memory you are in marketing as well? Would you be up for a 20 minute phone conversation? I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts on where the industry is heading.

davidl
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davidl
April 12, 2020 3:39 pm
Reply to  ScorpintheSky

Sure email : zuvuyu at gmail dot com
Leave me your name mobile and time zone and I’d be happy to call and chat

ScorpintheSky
ScorpintheSky
April 12, 2020 6:37 pm
Reply to  davidl

Thank you so much. That’s very generous of you. I emailed the gmail address.

Five Arrows
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Five Arrows
April 11, 2020 8:56 pm

My Mars is in Pisces, which often gets a bad rap, but I find that I have a helluva lot of motivation and guts around anything to do with my spiritual life…also, no fear of ghosts!

Mirrormuse
Mirrormuse
April 12, 2020 11:32 am
Reply to  Five Arrows

Hi I’m a Mars in Pisces too (Conjunct Chiron in Pisces), late degrees. Some astrologers say Mars is diffuse here, uncontained, ethereal, everywhere & no where! It’s going to be interesting when Neptune passes by – I hope it’s not an experience of delusion, more one if dance!! I’d propose that music, art & spirited ventures are the ideal way to action / express energy for me. It’s sometimes been hard to focus, to streamline priorities in a linear manner. Dreams are important & and a visionary, occultic life. Pisces Mars is compassionate and creative too!

milleunanotte
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milleunanotte
April 12, 2020 2:22 pm
Reply to  Mirrormuse

Funny, when i have encountered and also become a ghost in bizarre lucid dreamscapes, i have DANCED. Really foot and thigh from hip grounding, claiming my space, but moving always moving, while glancing at my own sleeping body, the lividity starting to show.

Wish Upon a Star
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Wish Upon a Star
April 18, 2020 11:52 am
Reply to  milleunanotte

Thanks Millie.

I love the sound of that grounding dance. I will use it. Or just stamp my feet like a Taurus Moon should.

Lili
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Lili
April 13, 2020 11:24 pm
Reply to  Mirrormuse

My husband is late Mars in Pisces- early Pisces Moon. His retreat is old little-guy-wins, sentimental movies. But he busts it out and donates a lot of legal work to balance those scales of justice.

Jacqui
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Jacqui
April 11, 2020 8:39 pm

Sun/Mars/Mercury in Taurus 4th H And Venus/Moon in Aries, Aqua Rising. So I do what I feel like and I do it energetically and don’t mind telling anyone I think matters.

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