Post Saturn-Pluto Ennui Syndrome

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Madame Xanadu with black cat

As you would expect from such a staunch astro-presence in Capricorn, the Saturn-Pluto conjunction worked overtime to deliver remarkable results. Catharsis – tick. New paradigm – totally. Since this alignment first formed in April 2019, it forced growth through stressors that were super charged with psychic relevance. The result? 24-7 depth-analysis. Hard schooling. Definitive realizations that are becoming your foundation materials. I know I keep saying this but write out your top lessons or wow-factor breakthrough discoveries from the last several months and make those your new credo.

There are no planetary alignments for years that will match this one in the material and spiritual intensity stakes. Of course, you’re tired; you’ve spent the last nearly a year struggling with whatever your Saturn-Pluto nemesis was. While you made yourself more worldly wise and spiritually woke, your news feeds turned hyperbolically surreal. It’s exhausting. Even caterpillars in their chrysalis get to sleep through the transition.

Saturn-Pluto Stressors Were Super-Charged With Psychic Relevance

It all intensified from Halloween and then climaxed mid-January. Saturn and Pluto, particularly in Capricorn, deal in governance and leadership. Who is now more self-governed, aware, and a better leader in their personal lives? I bet most of the people reading this would assess themselves as vastly improved in these areas. But barely anyone in actual government seems to be governing. Or legislating. Leading? So we’re fatigued after a really intense ten months and adjusting to new life settings. Who has the emotional bandwidth to also parse the governmental settings?

But one of the Saturn/Pluto outcomes – aside from the fires, economic, climate and pandemic threats – has been the realization that many people in government see themselves more as facilitators of public-private partnerships. The public pay, the private profit, and guess who the middle man is? It’s beyond merely disagreeing with the politics of a particular government. Most times, they’re not even performing the basic responsibilities.

Even Caterpillars Get To Sleep In Their Chrysalis

The USA is tipping trillions into the overnight money market and preparing to bail out hedge funds and in Australia, the catastrophic bushfires after the government ignored the warnings of scientists and firefighters for years was apparently not enough. Now their protection against a virulent new threat is apparently to give out pamphlets to people disembarking from flights out of the affected area. The tourism dollar is evidently a concern. If you ran this plot through a bunch of experienced script editors, they’d tell you sober up and then do something more nuanced and realistic.

So, post Saturn-Pluto ennui is understandable. But think about this: the alignment has done its job. And revolutionary Uranus is in Taurus. I wrote before that it would be a revolt around globalism, tourism, money, and ecology but this is dramatic, even by Uranian standards. The same free movement of trade and people also makes contagion so much more mobile.

Should economies really be reliant on tourism and fossil fuels to a gargantuan extent and assuming that tourists aren’t visiting to see scorched earth, can the two co-exist? Is it healthy to have money devalued so you go backwards by having it? Could globalism do something good by enforcing world-wide environmental standards?

Crisis + Hard Lessons = New Credo X Prosperity

Think about times in your personal life when a crisis evoked enormous change. That is what’s happened. And just as your transformative eras didn’t happen with some glorious smooth transition over night, neither will this societal one. But it is happening.

The higher concentration of Air element  – all the Aquarius energy – makes it easier to conjure a more spacious perspective. Ideally, turn your new credo into something you can see; a piece of art even. Or, if you’re big on symbols, a sigil.

As Jupiter tracks over the path of Saturn, en route to three conjunctions with Pluto in a row, your new credo will help you prosper. Yes, even if you feel you forged it out of sulphur, steel and stone, more than light and happy visualizations.

Your recent resolution and altered awareness will stick. It’s enduring.

Listen/re-listen to my 2020 rant if you want a bright perspective around the upcoming year or get a Year Ahead report to maximize your personal vibe. 

Image: Madame Xanadu 

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PiMM Member
Pi

I don’t really know where to put this question so I’ll write it here, I’ve just learnt that my progressed Venus (natally direct, but has been progressed retrograde for most of my life) is stationing and turning direct the rest of this year. I’ve googled of course, with limited and kinda predictable info I guess, but can anyone direct me to a useful and more complex source for progressed astro? Xox Also what are tertiary progressions? Why is it all so complicated lol I was just mastering (not) normal progressions.. Oh!! Also I realised that my progressed Leo moon is… Read more »

ChrysalisMM Member
Chrysalis

It has been a whirlwind reunion with the Mutable Toro. I’m so glad for Saturn-Pluto school of 2019 because otherwise I’d be a wreck by now, with Neptune squaring my nodes. I got his birth deets…he’s Toro sun, rising and Venus. Mars and Merc in Gem, Sagg moon. Lots of good news from the Sleaze-o-Meter, lol. Also, and I would welcome any thoughts on this, his Asc is conj my MC and my Asc is conj his IC, Dsc conj MC. The angles overlap. His Jupiter in Leo exact on my Asc, My Venus conj his MC. HIs Psyche on… Read more »

PiMM Member
Pi

He sounds pretty yummy, Chrysalis, as do those connections. It sounds like he would love you for who you are. And also perhaps offer a subtle, new angle (view/perspective/take) for your Neptune IC… And (as you’d of course already know), Taurus and pisces have a fabulous real-world sensual connection .
If it feels significant then your pisces intuition and cap moon sensitivities already know
I’ve been reading that Saturn and the nodes are also worth a look.
Certainly a chatty power-flirt with that moon, mars and mercury 😉

PiMM Member
Pi

Oh and is he back from the trip? Have you seen each other again… I’ve been seeing some interesting stuff with my Toro (“my” lol, not even yet) in the Davison chart and synastry. Maybe that’s worth examining too? But I bet you already have hehe 😉 x A lot of other analyses aside (his node is conj my descendant at 3 deg), the impression I’m receiving is that if we get together, it’s to help each of us learn about ourselves in a strong, very jupiter-Venusian connection. So it’s compelling, feels real some how, yet fun/loving, and he is… Read more »

ChrysalisMM Member
Chrysalis

Yep he is back and we have seen each other. It’s just fantastic, it really is. Obviously early days, Cap moon keeping watch etc etc, but I like him a lot.
We are both in word-related fields, so the Merc-work is next level. Plus my Mars in Virgo and his Venus in Toro are very, very compatible *fans self*
Your Toro sounds lovely, Pi. Jupiter-Venusian will be delightful, light-filled energy as a bit of an antidote (or a reward?) after Saturn-Pluto. xxx

PiMM Member
Pi

Yeah, maybe. My emotions are pretty tangled up because I don’t know what the connection is meant to be. I have to keep chopping off stupid tendrils of “but what if”… Of both the good and bad variety “Live in the now, pi!! Enjoy the moment!!” *Pi half heartedly motions ‘oh yayy’ then slumps back in chair, party hat askew* Like I don’t want to blindly assume we are meant to be in a relationship. Or even meant to sleep together for that matter. but when my only advisors are saggitarian women with personal planets in Scorpio then lol. But… Read more »

GemyogiMM Member
Gemyogi

I find Taurus men sexy but lazy and a bit slow (and possibly conservative) for my 100 miles an hour mercury and gem sun, but the toro feels safe and comfortable bc of my Toro stellium incl. moon. My advice is make a pass and you’ll know, I know its awkward when it’s not requited (recently drunk texted an associate, now a close friend, who’s been single for 6 months and (I thought) flirting and he responded by setting firm boundaries! anyway, I’m glad to have it resolved so I can clear my head space to someone who *is* interested).… Read more »

PiMM Member
Pi

Oh and that’s ahem excellent news about the Venus Mars hahahah

dizzarina
dizzarina

Feeling so jumbled right now. Partner is having to find a new place to live and is looking to buy a house for the two of us. This happened on January 7th. The last few weeks have been the most emotional roller coaster I’ve been on since my young co-dependent love affair years. Find a house, fall in love, mentally move in; inspection finds it’s a house of horrors. Do it all over thinking you’ve learned boundaries; find dream home, freak out, and find someone’s offered cash over the asking price. Oh and the house he put an offer on… Read more »

davidlMM Member
davidl

Definitely not something to rush into D. We bought when the market was raging, people fuqing each other over, over priced horrible properties being touted as dream homes. The old saying the worst house in the best neighborhood is still true. Don’t listen to agents. An old apt with good natural light and high ceilings beats a big house where the lights are on all day. ( when you inspect if the lights are on during the day walk the other way). A private garden or verandah however small is essential. The rule that overrules all the others. If you… Read more »

dizzarina
dizzarina

Thanks for your thoughts, David.

The market is desirable and tight here, the neighborhood we want even more so. I can’t believe people carving up the basement into bedrooms and calling it a spacious home! It’s inhuman.

We are looking for old, and with outdoor space– not hard to find here, but in demand.

Barring the Big One or the economy tanking, the property will increase in value.

An experienced house buyer said the same thing to me: you will know, and say: what are these other people doing in my house?

I trust the magic. It hasn’t failed me yet. x

ÁNLEIFRMM Member
ÁNLEIFR

The party is just getting started… for me lol. Saturn is currently today, conjunct my ascendant in the 12th. It will pass by, turn retrograde and then pass back by before going direct again. Next, Jupiter and the SN will cross over, then once all that happens here comes Uncle Pluto with his extended stay over my ascendant. Lots of 12th house stuff and lots of transformations, now and most certainly coming up. One by one they will trickle out from my 12th house and into my 1st and slowly away from my ascendant. I am excited to see the… Read more »

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

ennui is the word

Libra Moon Conjunct PlutoMM Member
Libra Moon Conjunct Pluto

I’m exhausted, and am hoping to take a month off to recoup!!

PerfectpiscesMM Member
Perfectpisces

ik it. no matter what way it is, it’s blue.

GemyogiMM Member
Gemyogi

Yes, I has the ennui. have been finding it hard to get to sleep, but then sleeping until 9-10am.

R(Aqua/Tauri)MM Member
R(Aqua/Tauri)

“ It all intensified from Halloween and then climaxed mid-January” Very accurate for me on a personal level, after a couple of years of forcing myself to shut down all my intuition and natural ways of being/perceiving in order to build a career in STEM I had basically a mental breakdown in early November after being tipped over the edge by finally reporting ongoing sexual harassment at my job…which retriggered past trauma. By Thanksgiving I wasn’t functioning at all and went on paid leave, where I find myself now returning to my self through rest, somatic practice, writing, and creative… Read more »

Squared VirgoMM Member
Squared Virgo

decided to stay sober for the next years, until i really want to drink a glass of wine again. a decision – with no particular reason- I made overnight around Halloween, after already not drinking for almost a year.
bought a print of the Magician a couple of days ago, lol.

R(Aqua/Tauri)MM Member
R(Aqua/Tauri)

I used to be a binge drinker and now I can’t hang at all… after almost 2 years with no alcohol I had some drinks over the course of a month. It was novel the first time at a concert and then quickly I realized why I had made the decision in the first place. Life is just so short and I hate wasting hours in bed with a hangover and the depressive waves I get after even like 2 drinks.

davidlMM Member
davidl

I think it’s good to remind yourself why you decided to stop. Telling us is a good thing too. One of the foundation stones of my philosophy is ‘all things in moderation’. Elimination can often mean unnecessary aestheticism and gives too much power to things. I treat drugs as if they were entities, beings. If you’ve decided not to see them and you just happen to bump into one, do you just turn on your heels and walk the other way ? Or would you just smile say hello and after a quick catch up, a warm goodbye. I’d say… Read more »

emgMM Member
emg

I have way too dominant a Saturn to kiss and run with things. I go full on cold turkey. Only way for me to do it. Maybe it is also the heavy amount of pisces that pervades too. So I am either Vegan or Paleo, happily can take or leave alcohol and have never gone near a drug as I have no idea what on earth would befall me if I did. Biggest issue I think I have is sugar. OOOOOOooooooo sugar. That is my crack cocaine so again I have to leave well alone. Because if I start on… Read more »

Stella PolarisMM Member
Stella Polaris

You gotta watch the gummy bears – they’re devious little so and sos

emgMM Member
emg

You are right ! They run headlong into stomach and I’ve no idea how they got there ? Bags of them. It’s terrible.

Squared VirgoMM Member
Squared Virgo

i have sun square neptune natally, it also trines my moon and ascendent. it took me ages to figure out that i am MUCH better off staying sober (and also much more connected to my spirituality and creativity). i had experiences with all sorts of drugs and these were usually linked with very heavy energy vampire relationships. as i said, it took over a decade for me to find out, after neptune transiting my virgo venus i realized how excessive i had been and that it had almost destroyed me. i realised: i pretty much consciously knocked myself out in… Read more »

Centaurus
Centaurus

Yes, the echoes remain (or is that the clean up?) but the heat is off. I have also been considering themes around the last time the nodes were at this point either SN Cap or NN Cap and I can tell you with almost no uncertainty I’m back to an old theme from 81-83 so a) that’s great as it feels like a root that can be pulled out and b) it’s been hard to stay in front of the theme or change the course of things as it feels a bit auto and I almost think I need to… Read more »

Stella PolarisMM Member
Stella Polaris

The first part resonates re the nodes and the sense of familiarity and anticipation. My exact nodal return is around 2 April but the vibe is already similar to 2001 (3 September) and perhaps also to 1983 (around 22 January). I remember more about the 2001 return, as I’d made the decision to make a major change on my birthday that year (in the spirit of enough stagnation, this has to change). I also actually took steps that day to bring it to fruition (applied for course; decided to lose a significant amount of weight and sought out help) when… Read more »

CentaurusMM Member
Centaurus

Good point and I am probably in a similar kind of head space. I know what I’m thinking about doing won’t be something I can just flip on shortly after if I feel like it. It’ll require a commitment of time and energy. Thanks for the reminder on Saturn Jupiter for 2001. The 2001 Node phase is also of interest and there is some focus that probably echo’s that phase and yes, anticipation around outcomes. I don’t think they’re going to sync but maybe I shouldn’t write that off as there’s a number of months yet. The 80’s stands boldly… Read more »

Stella PolarisMM Member
Stella Polaris

I liked the point about hovering. And yes, when I made those decisions in 2001, I had no idea how to make it all happen, but just the key decisions. When I said they were genius, that’s obviously with the benefit of hindsight. But I had nothing to lose from giving it a shot. And that’s the essence I have to remember. I’ve thought about that earlier time period. 1982 was my first year at Uni. I was enrolled in Medicine but after 6 months dropped out and changed to arts. I’d passed enough to continue in Medicine, but felt… Read more »

davidlMM Member
davidl

Sp where are you ? If in Australia most of the major hospitals have grant programs. I noticed Prince of Wales in Sydney last year had $500k to allocate to people via grants that had good ideas about all aspects of running a hospital. These were not grants for medical research, more grants to improve the user experience and customer outcomes. After my recent experience with having both my parents in this hospital certain things became clear to me that I felt could be pursued under these types of programs and I was encouraged to apply. I haven’t but maybe… Read more »

Stella PolarisMM Member
Stella Polaris

Thanks davidl – I’ll look into this.

Yes, there are so many things that can be improved from a ‘user experience’ in any hospital, let alone in a whole public health system.

Have you signed up to the Consumers Health Forum of Australia? They often consultations where they seek out people’s views and experiences on different things.

CentaurusMM Member
Centaurus

It sounds like you are already in a position that ideally lends itself to knowledge gathering and either altering course or making something more widely available in the community in the medical field. There’s lots of different ways to be engaged in what I’d probably call and view broadly as health rather than just medical. The reason for medical intervention it return a being to a state of health right. Maybe it’s about getting creative in how you think about this theme? Creativity is essentially using our imagination so it’s not always about what can I make or do in… Read more »

davidlMM Member
davidl

Hmmm, I’m back in 81. I have no doubt about that, cause I chose to return to the place the space the vibe that nurtured me then. In a linear sense it’s backward. In a spiral sense a return. In a circular sense a beginning and an end. Nothing to root out here, in fact happy the root was still here. Last time (81-87 this place took me in fed me, inspired me and then propelled me into the ‘next’. It’s like sitting snug in a big rubber band that’s attached to a sling shot. Slowly you are pulled back… Read more »

CentaurusMM Member
Centaurus

Started typing a reply and ran out of time! Be back later…

CentaurusMM Member
Centaurus

We all have such different experiences or maybe all experience the same sorts of feelings and themes at different points in our lives? Anyway, I won’t get too philosophical…. 1981 was a change of course that would take me some time (a long time) to alter and I’m not intending to connect to life forms from that period be ancient parts of myself or other humans. That said the significant move I made a few years back has thrust me into a bit of a recapitulation theme and I’ve had to just roll with that and trust that this is… Read more »

davidlMM Member
davidl

There she was still stuck where you left her so many years ago. A prisoner of her own deceit and by this time insanity. She didn’t recognize you this time because she didn’t know or recognize you last time. It was all about her then and now. These types of people find it hard to live with themselves and their pasts, amnesia is the only way they can go on. Last time she saw you as a target, this time she knew to keep clear. You are not the person you were , you have become, grown, developed. She’s still… Read more »

CentaurusMM Member
Centaurus

David – I love this response. I agree but it’s had an entirely different effect reading it from outside myself like this and particularly after the experience. It’s like parts of my being heard it for the first time even though I know it already. That’s clicked something a little bit differently for me. I’m grateful I’m in tune with those subtle energy shifts internally and what they mean. I’m grateful for your words. It’s such an interesting phenomena isn’t it. Everyone will experience this too – whether as that person (and therefore not being aware of it perhaps ever)… Read more »

davidlMM Member
davidl

Gawd and when you think about it imagine being stuck in 81, with the constant whine of back to back New Romantics hits …Thompson Twins, Kajagoogoo, Human League, Spandau Ballet … hold me now awww hold my heart ….stay with me blah blah on a loop, nooooooooo, . I’d be like ‘kil meee’. Actually I think I’d rather be waterboarded by Satan In hell while listening to jazz fusion through really poor speakers.

All my love C x

CentaurusMM Member
Centaurus

HAHAHAHAHA!! It was not a style of music that I could get into either being a forever fan of guitar (which no folks just to be clear – does NOT include a keytar)! Keyboard used with sensibility is allowed but everyone should consider that there is only one Rick Wakeman and one is probably plenty. It still isn’t and yet here it is continuing to breath in some altered reality. I mean how does Pseudo Echo a) lay claim and take all the popularity and success for a song they weren’t the first to perform successfully and b) still get… Read more »

Stella PolarisMM Member
Stella Polaris

Reconciling with the past to move ahead. Maybe the south node is about the spiral back to remember, not necessarily to return, but to note where you were, where you are, to then move on the next loop on the spiral upwards towards your soul’s destination.

CentaurusMM Member
Centaurus

Absolutely.

And I always find it interesting when I think I’ve done that and I’m confronted with a situation that affirms it (like this) and realise I’d possibly held some doubt and discomfort about whether I had or not lurking in the back of my psyche. Great to flush that out!

ICPlutoMM Member
ICPluto

Was at the gym, and Lennon’s “Watching the Wheels” started playing on the radio. 1981 calling! I looked around and everybody had their AirPods on. I didn’t feel disconnected, I felt free!

CentaurusMM Member
Centaurus

Look at you showing up with a kind of perfect for the mood song without perhaps even realising. Random syncronicity is sooo good eh!

Good to read you ICP 🙂 x

ElectroMM Member
Electro

No longer riding on the merry go round?

WaterGemMM Member
WaterGem

Hi Mystic, I understand if it’s too personal and/or would reduce its power but if not, could you share one of your new credos? Mine are still formulating but one, (based on something I read here) is something along the lines of; ‘Magic is pragmatic’ or maybe ‘Idealism is not contrary to pragmatism but essential to pragmatism.’ An eg would be that it’s both idealistic and pragmatic to know that the exploitation of people/Gaia/other sentient beings is wrong in both a moral and practical sense. Somehow, up until recently, muggles, their overlords and their systems had managed to convince me… Read more »

PiMM Member
Pi

Honestly I don’t know, like I met a taurus and moved house, not in that order, the conjunction is in my 7th house but other than trying not to fall in love with the hunk, who comes with… circumstances.., it’s not really been earth shattering,? Unless I’m really really downplaying the Toro impact? Like maybe I’m just part of his sun Uranus transit :/
& a relationship has v limited forseeable ability to become real because of reasons? Idk :'(
Hope you’re all alright out there x

ChrysalisMM Member
Chrysalis

That sounds like a tricky one. (The sitch, that is, not the Taurus).
Maybe with all the earth and your moon, you’re just realistically looking at the whole picture, and pacing yourself accordingly. x

PiMM Member
Pi

Could be, Chrysalis. He seems legit. The situ is … Maybe it’s meant to be exactly how it is? I don’t know. I’ve figured he’s basically a triple pisces Toro, ha ha ha ha ha ha. Serves you right pi. Anyway he’s another permutation of “men who can’t be with me” but without the standard emotional issues or “literally in a relationship” this time so that’s an evolution, either way I’ll tick that one off in the Venus chiron textbook, or was it the chapter on abandonment issues? Anyway whatever. I’ve got laundry to do * shrug emoji fatigued housework… Read more »

Centaurus
Centaurus

In the broader 7th house theme would it not be about how you engage with a broad range of relationships Pi including biz and personal? I’d also anticipate themes related to where you feel you hold power or don’t, how that makes you feel and what you would like to see in terms of outcomes. This may or may not align with what is but will be useful data never the less. Luna is very subjective and easily bogged down in making something about itself during all of these transits in Cap. Jupiter is still there and both Saturn and… Read more »

PiMM Member
Pi

Thanks centy, (new nickname lol), yes I’m always wary of branding 7th house as the romantic everything, too. The theme of where I believe my power is centred does ring true, actually. Thank you. Dealing with the libran Virgo Neptunian boss is a biiig part of this and I think that work dynamic is more of a qi drain than I am willing to consciously acknowledge at this point, primarily for financial stability reasons just for now. Hard to describe clearly without a bunch more words. Ah,….Saturn being loss and fear, so maybe I need to check in with fear… Read more »

Centaurus
Centaurus

Hehe, I can totally live with that. I was scorchy for quite some time! I still kind of feel that in my bones particularly these last few years and wonder if I ditched it rather optimistically as opposed to leaving an era behind. Ok you’re later degrees than I. Totally got that out of whack! You’re in the combustion and heat phase and I totally get that! You’re still under the subjective microscope. It’s intense at this point. Am on a separating conjunction and it has been noticeably less intense. Hang in there girl you’re doin’ great!! My work dynamic… Read more »

PiMM Member
Pi

Thank you for this amazing comment Centaurus, I don’t know how I didn’t reply earlier.. you’ve made so many valuable points.
False versions of emotional nourishment is a interesting way to put things, I’m facing this, wondering if Pluto in orb of moon (ok and well Saturn on moon!!) is actually starting to disintegrate my emotional structure? Then again it’s a Pluto transit, if I’m not uncomfortable then it’s probably not in effect lol
Xxx

CentaurusMM Member
Centaurus

I nearly missed yours Pi. Well, I suppose underlying all the nourishment there’s this idea of security and safety with the Capricorn/Cancer axis. Some thoughts of how that kind of thing might look specific to Luna as it’s reflected light which can throw shadows and is therefore also projection from the sub/unconscious as well as from other times (if that resonates). – predictable outcomes (this can include unavailability, futile quests that affirm particular beliefs, short lived heat, unrequited love, almost but not because [xxxx] and so on. – familiar energy or vibration (this life or another) – challenges to where… Read more »

davidlMM Member
davidl

Remember that song “let’s talk about sex baby “ let’s face it we did and haven’t stopped since, personally I’ve had just about enough of that. Someone needs to write a rap “let’s talk about democracy baby” It’s not serving us right now. It’s got to the point where people are complaining and blaming politicians for policies that they voted in months earlier. Hello ! The so called democratic process including the 2 party system Etc needs to be totally reconfigured stat. Are we ever going to take some responsibility for the way the world is working out ? Start… Read more »

emgMM Member
emg

trouble I can see with a five or six party type process would be that nothing gets done due to the committee feel of it. There has to be a point where we follow a path that has been decided on. See where it leads and hopefully be wise enough to bail out should it be proving disastrous. Trouble with humans is that we simply do not feel or think the same things. There will always be those who will pull in a totally opposite direction from the others. I don’t know that I have an answer for this apart… Read more »

baristagemMM Member
baristagem

Hey Davidl, was just reading this article & thinking about your comment.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/02/03/the-last-time-democracy-almost-died

davidlMM Member
davidl

Great read BG.
“… Dorothy Thompson to remark of the Fascist state, “If it is going to call itself democratic we had better find another word for what we have and what we want.”
Exactly.

Stella Polaris
Stella Polaris

“The series’ lead contributor, the Italian philosopher Benedetto Croce, took issue with the question, as philosophers, thankfully, do. “I call this kind of question ‘meteorological,’ ” he grumbled. “It is like asking, ‘Do you think that it is going to rain today? Had I better take my umbrella?’ ” The trouble, Croce explained, is that political problems are not external forces beyond our control; they are forces within our control. “We need solely to make up our own minds and to act.”

baristagemMM Member
baristagem

“The trouble, Croce explained, is that political problems are not external forces beyond our control; they are forces within our control. “We need solely to make up our own minds and to act.”

I’m doing a PhD on trying to show how we – the people – can influence complex political issues.

Stella PolarisMM Member
Stella Polaris

great PhD topic and a great time to be doing it.

davidlMM Member
davidl

Considering that 90% of people vote for the same party all their lives without consideration of policy then I’d say you’ve got a lot of work to do !

emgMM Member
emg

Ah but we know that, as I said above, that some voting preferences are genetically driven. People think one way and it doesn’t change.

baristagemMM Member
baristagem

There’s a lot of work to do, but it’s possible, I’ve already seen evidence of it in some raw data i collected. We are not helpless in this.

GemyogiMM Member
Gemyogi

Yes to all this. Contacted a friend today about XR and she invited me to a local meeting tonight!! Zeitgeist? Tick

SheRatMM Member
SheRat

Hell yeah. I have slept 26 of the last 72 hours.

davidlMM Member
davidl

That’s pretty much the accepted average ? 8hrs each 24 x 3 = 24 sleep every 72 hrs. A Sunday sleep in adds 2 hrs and there you have it. Now if you slept 26 hrs straight and then were awake for 46 that would be odd 🙂

SheRatMM Member
SheRat

Yah I musta done the math wrong, really. I think I mean 26 out of the last 48. 12 one day 14 next. Sat. night I went to sleep at 2am, slept til 6pm today–and that was after pretty much sleeping all day on Saturday. Barely got out of bed for almost 72.

davidlMM Member
davidl

Ok yeah that’s understandable. I know that there is a certain amount guilt or the feeling something is wrong but maybe you’re just downloading the next chapters from source and it was a very big file.

emgMM Member
emg

oh I love that thought. Downloading. Perfect

PiMM Member
Pi

Great way to put it…

Crystallised futureMM Member
Crystallised future

“If you ran this plot through a bunch of experienced script editors, they’d tell you sober up and then do something more nuanced and realistic.” Lol, love it.

davidlMM Member
davidl

Yeah, when she’s on she’s genius.

Lux Interior Is My Co-PilotMM Member
Lux Interior Is My Co-Pilot

It has been huge.
I love this: Ideally, turn your new credo into something you can see; a piece of art even. Or, if you’re big on symbols, a sigil.

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