Could Saturn And Pluto Sabotage Your Success?

Throw roses into the abyss

Is the game up? Could the Saturn and Pluto conjunction wreck your racket like an illicit planetary saboteur? No. Read on for the reasons.

Dear Mystic,

I am weeks away from finding out if I’m to move to a different country and start my dream job. 
Over the past four years, I’ve been diligently climbing a metaphoric mountain whilst working on myself professionally and personally. The climb has been tough, really tough. I left so much behind at base camp and stripped away so many layers as I ascended. It was all worth the effort; as not only have I learnt multiple skills along the way and shown myself what I can achieve when I put my mind to it but the view is magnificent. 
Everything in front of me is all I’ve ever dreamt of: location, career and lifestyle.
Yet there is a cloud hovering directly over me in the form of the Saturn and Pluto conjunction on my Ascendant. I’m worried Saturn and Pluto will piss on my parade and I will slip all the way back down the mountain. They are both also squaring my natal Saturn. 
Sincerely,
Worried Mountaineer 

Is The Saturn and Pluto Conjunction A Saboteur?

Dear Worried Mountaineer,
Congratulations on your ascent!  Nervousness when you’re nearing a threshold. And the Saturn Pluto combo triples any career vertigo. Performance anxiety or security concerns that are Saturn fuel are depth charged, setting off older, more chthonic fears. Thank you, Uncle Pluto.
A Saturn and Pluto conjunction on your Ascendant is gravity and authority. You’re channeling and embodying this energy. You’ve got traction, like those mountain goats whose tranquility zone is the steepest slopes, chewing Alpine daisies.
Everyone will be calmer once Saturn and Pluto have perfected their alignment: it’s heavy energy.  But a lot of it is broadly cultural and societal, bigger than our personal aspirations. It’s a crisis of leadership looking for an opportunity; nature and money seeking sustainable, sane governance, the end of a specific era.
But your scenario seems more like Upper Limit Syndrome. You’ve reached an invisible boundary, and it’s triggering a primal alert system that you didn’t even install. Deep down, something is trying to tell you that there will be trouble if you go out of bounds.
It’s a known syndrome. So I suggest getting some Pluto Juice and reading The Big Leap. The writing won’t blow your mind, but the author owns this theme.
Then you could get on with researching your potential new power lair in where-ever the dream job is. And see the words below from Helene Cixous. She knows this turf because she was born with natal Jupiter in Capricorn opposite Pluto in Cancer with both square Moon in Aries. AKA a Cardinal T-Square.

 

Image: Leonor Fini – referencing Nietzsche and his “throw roses into the abyss” mantra.

Words Below: Helene Cixous

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efemmeral
efemmeral

I am a little frightened by my transits in venus squaring saturn and pluto at the same time… It was nice knowing love!

ÁNLEIFRMM Member
ÁNLEIFR

Saturn is getting ready to hit my ascendant, then afterward Pluto will. So, I looked up Saturn’s retro path and because of this Saturn will go over my ascendant 3 times this year! THREE TIMES! ….then Pluto will hit. Saturn Direct (until) May 11, 2020 Saturn Retrograde May 11, 2020 – will turn retro at Aquarius 01° Saturn Direct Sep 29, 2020 – will turn direct at Capricorn 25° So, Saturn will go past my ascendant at 26 degrees Capricorn while direct then when Saturn gets to 1 degree Aqua will will stop and go back, again going over my… Read more »

VenusRulesMM Member
VenusRules

I’ve seen Pluto crossing the ascendant be truly transformative in people’s lives, not easy, but getting them exactly where they needed and wanted to be, and no looking back. Not easy or quick but transformative. I know it’s a cliche but follow your heart and good luck.

ÁNLEIFRMM Member
ÁNLEIFR

Thank you!

magnoliaMM Member
magnolia

Wow and double wow!!
Reassuring when it should be terrifying
.I guess each new generation is trying to break through ancestral limits..aaaagh!
Thanks for posting Mystic.

Wish Upon a Star
Wish Upon a Star

Is anyone else feeling the full on Uranus energy today?

SkarabMM Member
Skarab

Funny you say that coz I’ve been getting flashes of insights into old problems, and had amazing dreams last night – the sort one should really pay attention to. Feeling pretty wired, but lucid. Maybe it’s coz the Moon is conjunct Uranus now & is square exact my Moon. Is it aligned to your Moon?

Wish Upon a Star
Wish Upon a Star

I am not proficient in astrology but I do know that I am feeling wired and can’t sit still for too long.

I have natal North Node and moon conjunct in Taurus and the moon is now approaching my North Node followed by slow moving Uranus.

It is putting an end to my procrastination in moving forward with plans for the future. Which is all very good.

SkarabMM Member
Skarab

Ah Ok, so you’ve got trans Uranus conjunct your natal Moon-NN, & now the Moon has just been round visiting them on her monthly round? Yes, this has been a tricky but interesting monthly transit for me since Uranus has been squaring my Moon (for you it’s been conjunct your Moon so you’d get to really feel it as it infuses you) & it’s been in that zone since 2018. I’ve come to appreciate this monthly transit a lot – even if it turns me into a hyper sensitive &/or an impatient & emotional maniac for a couple of days… Read more »

Wish Upon a Star
Wish Upon a Star

I’m glad you get catharthis etc out of those tricky few days.

Last night before sleep and today upon Awakening I got huge insights into bad behavioral patterns and how they start. I have written this in my dream diary. This is huge stuff.

Interesting times.

Wish Upon a Star
Wish Upon a Star

Oh how sweet I just checked astro.com and the moon traveled over my natal 14 degrees moon overnight.

And she delivered those messages.

I love this astro stuff.

magnoliaMM Member
magnolia

Yes and researching a move, even though I only moved last year.
Feels like it’s a frontier….

Edi
Edi

Nice. The conjunction taking place in my 1st House.

Happy 2020, y’all.

PegasusMM Member
Pegasus

Could not log on for the last week or so for some reason that’s now sorted, so at last reading thro’ the important posts missed about the fires and NY eve.
So many like minded people here. That’s a joy amongst all the tragedy.

PegasusMM Member
Pegasus

As a Sagg with Capricorn Ascendant, Saturn is in my cereal of a morning (Moral Fibre) and Pluto sitting on my (silk) pillowslip of an evening waiting to give me 3 surreal movies a night.

Libran Moon ALWAYS rescues me via delicious aromas, bring instant ecstasy and my Virgo Mars moves me to write it all down in copious amounts of diaries.

SkarabMM Member
Skarab

*Saturn is in my cereal of a morning (Moral Fibre)* … hilarious!

PegasusMM Member
Pegasus

‘Crisis of leadership’ calling Scott Morrison?
‘Heavy societal energy’, like Oz burning?
‘Cultural’ close to our beloved beaches.

Does cutting fossil fuel emissions matter so much now all this smoke going into the atmosphere., i wonder, i’m asking…..

‘Upper Limit Syndrome’ it’s really a thing? A primal alert system. WOW. All woman could benefit from knowing about this.
Superb image and writings, what a bijoux you are Myst, keeping us centered.

GemyogiMM Member
Gemyogi

The Helene Cixous quote is fabulous, thank you! With Saturn and Pluto almost sitting on my MC at 26 Cap in the 9th I’m feeling a powerful urge to purge, clean, and let of go of everthing that’s holding me back or keeping me stuck. When I return home in the next couple of days I’m planning a cleaning and clearing bender, plus sage and palo santo space clearing, journaling, writing out 2020 goals and burning a big list of stuff I want to let go of. Now that xmas and new year is done, I’m ready to start the… Read more »

ChrysalisMM Member
Chrysalis

Love your work GY! xx

GemyogiMM Member
Gemyogi

new year blessings to you Chrys xx

Aquamarina
Aquamarina

Oh, boy! I’m mostly terrified by this conjunction because the past few years didn’t bring any order in my chaotic emotional and professional life. None. I feel the NEED to really change something, but I don’t know where to start. It is like being at the crossroads and having behind a bunch of people who scream at you because you don’t know what to do and where to start sorting things out and feeling that you’re alive. Really alive. I have to live up to so many expectations that I do not know what I should or shouldn’t do. Everything… Read more »

Unicorn SparklesMM Member
Unicorn Sparkles

Start small. Very small. With something that doesn’t work. Change it. Move it. Leave it.

Others’ expectations… in 20 years you will regret the things you didn’t do, didn’t try or missed out on because of trying to meet others expectations. There is responsibility… then there is martyrdom.

And….We are all afraid when we face the unknown.

Wish Upon a Star
Wish Upon a Star

Very good advice Unicorn S.

Aquamarina
Aquamarina

Thank you, kind people.
Looking forward to your post about the ’81 and ’82 born people, Mystic.

Thank you again all of you. 🙂

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

Guys this is beyond tragic and so awful. Really sorry it’s happening. What a revolting NYE …

PegasusMM Member
Pegasus

Dear old England’s too wet to burn. Jeeez i hope that doesn’t change.
People in shops asking if i had a ‘nice xmas’, answered with ‘½ billion animals gone- i don’t think so’. Then dead silence followed.

BLGMM Member
BLG

Fabulous Mystic! Thankyou

Wish Upon a Star
Wish Upon a Star

Mystic is Pluto the horse OK?

ChrysalisMM Member
Chrysalis

I recently realised I don’t need Saturn and Pluto to sabotage my success, as I seem to be doing a pretty good job of that on my own.

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

ha
you and me both woman

PegasusMM Member
Pegasus

And U2 Invicta. Shall spank you! You are both amazing women, who have done so much work with yourselves, time for congrats on how far you have come. DON’T EVER put yourselves down.

GemyogiMM Member
Gemyogi

YESSSS

PegasusMM Member
Pegasus

Now Chrys that is self defeating dialogue you are giving yourself. S T O P.

ChrysalisMM Member
Chrysalis

Thank you, Pegs. A current situ has led me to understand that it doesn’t seem to matter what I do or don’t do, I see everything through a prism of self-loathing… constantly seeking assurances and ‘proof’ that I am ok in someone else’s eyes. I really need to kill that one dead. xx

GemyogiMM Member
Gemyogi

Let go of that Sh*t GF. You are worthy of love, you are amazing, keep your crown on. To quote Lizzo ‘he don’t love you any more… walk your fine ass out that door’. Hugs xx

LibrariusMM Member
Librarius

I’ve been checking if the Seven Years Ahead report is already in the store for like 3 times a day for the past 5 days now, haha

WizarDoraMM Member
WizarDora

*cheers the words of Cixous

As someone with Saturn currently in their fifth house, which is ruthlessly culling social spheres, I say Fuck it to hell and back, let go. Final cleanse? Dropping my second phone in a puddle (again) this year. 2019 turned me inside out and Pheonix is rising..

Unicorn SparklesMM Member
Unicorn Sparkles

So I thought I’d test this new feature with an image that for weird reasons resonates with me right now. The lost tribe… the stories our children will tell…

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SourPatchMM Member
SourPatch

I have my rising at 20 or 21 degrees Capricorn so I feel your pain. Actually going for a psych eval after my vacation in January….probably much needed

emMM Member
em

It’s nice to know we’re not alone.

Wish Upon a Star
Wish Upon a Star

HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE !

x.

VenusRulesMM Member
VenusRules

I spent 2019 with Saturn and Pluto transiting my natal moon at 19 cap in the 9th house. It felt like I could never get out of second gear. I made no progress on any of my goals and mostly just struggled to survive with a terrible boss and a very long commute, feeling disconnected, exhausted, and with not much life energy. I can sum up the year as wildly disappointed in myself, but at least I made it through. Happy new year everyone, be safe, let’s all move ahead with love.

ChrysalisMM Member
Chrysalis

Hey VR, that sounds heavy. I just had Saturn and Pluto on my 15 Cap moon for so long. In my experience, some of the struggle that seemed to go nowhere actually did help me make progress, but I didn’t realise it until some time after the fact. I too had a terrible boss for 18 months of that transit. It felt like mere survival but as time moved on I realised that I had learned a lot and taught myself some new skills. Hope you have a better time of it in 2020. xx

VenusRulesMM Member
VenusRules

Thank you Chrysalis! Glad you made it through. Ironically, my boss has the S+P conjunction right on her sun. Happy new year and much joy to you in 2020.

Mergoat ScorpMM Member
Mergoat Scorp

My 13 Cap sun was Saturn’d and Pluto’d followed by my moon at 19 Aries. I’ve felt like I’ve been wading through mud for last, I dunno, at least 4 years! I’ve been feeling very frustrated by the lack of progress on my goals but you’re right, there’s been a huge internal demo and reconstruction job going on. Today, 2020 feels hopeful. It would be nice to have some external proof of the hard work I’ve been doing. Hope you also see some relief. Happy New Year.

emMM Member
em

It’s like running in slow motion but not in the glamorous Baywatch kinda way!

LibrariusMM Member
Librarius

Em, I laughed so much at that. A good metaphor, I suppose. I’m about to be done with my first Saturn Return and, before I even recover from that, have Pluturn accompany my Moon in Aqua. Yikes. But actually, so far in all I’ve read Pluto on Moon doesn’t sound like such a terrible transit?.. Maybe it could even soften Saturn in this case?.. A LITTLE?.. I’m grasping at straws here, LOL

VenusRulesMM Member
VenusRules

I did actually find Pluto grinding over the moon easier than Saturn, and chalked it up in part to familiarity – a lifetime of Pluto transits plus Scorpio stellium – next it hits my midheaven, but first a long square to natal Mars. Also Saturn always seems to involve unrelenting dental issues and enormous solitude for me. Thank goodness for Impending Jupiter, I need some optimism.

emMM Member
em

Librarius, you gotta laugh if nothing else. It’s okay – me too! Congrats on your first Saturn Return! No doubt you’ll be amazing.

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

Hi I’m back from the brink. Phew That. was s c a r y but I got creative and send grovelling emails – well, I’m obviously exagerating. I cancelled the emotional purchase I had made and the company will refund me in a few days. So I will survive January without damaging my precious credit score at least. God what a massively valuable insight that was (for me obvs, not you lolz) Repressing the desires of my shadow self /wounded parts with tyranical force isn’t an effective strategy. Eventually the oppressed peasants /underdog outcast gets strong and fast enough to… Read more »

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

One of the things I splashed out on was a page a day diary so yes. Will use it. Too bad they don’t sell ones with no space on most days and a novel sized space at random intervals.

ChrysalisMM Member
Chrysalis

Are you ok, hon? Good on you for negotiating to get that money back. But also for the insights, you sound so strong. xx

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

Thanks Chrys! I am doing remarkably well actually. I was having a full on, quite literal panic attack when I shared those insights about my money issues and in retrospect was a little squeemish about having been so open. It did feel related to this Saturn / Pluto sabotage / self sabotage / learn grow / gather oneself/ keep climbing theme so yep all good here thank you. All my bills are paid and I was able to cancel the impulse / emo spend binge and keep the insights. What a trip tho hey? How are you holding up in… Read more »

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

Wow, sorry to be a blog hog and all but I’m going to bang on a wee bit more because this alignment / capricorn convergence is eerie as you know. Phew. I’ve been lurching between compulsive acting out of shadow selves by spending money I should be saving for food YES I KNOW I know I’m shaking my head and quite horrified because the rest of the time I’m entirely the product of what this years pain has given me. I was admiring my massive swimmers shoulders and six pack earier because I had no idea I’d gained so much… Read more »

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

omg I just had another realisation and well, in for penny- actually no.
thats all you’re getting

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

juuuust kidding, and old habits lolz
I thought “I don’t pay for this blog” then realised umm yes you do.
lolz
ahem so the feeling powerless and then binge spending is connected directly to my 8th house sn
and then the behaviour reinforces the dysfuctional pattern and gridlockss that neural four lane highway with trucks.
So the north node in Capricorn in my second house …(I wrote that very slowly)
gosh this astrology stuff is interesting

PegasusMM Member
Pegasus

Yes we pay to make fools of ourselves Invicta…oops speakin’ for maself here.x

davidlMM Member
davidl

With regard to the letter, from “ shit all is well and I’m worried” I sense a steady vertical rise. Your concerns I believe are not unusual to anyone high up on a tall vertical structure. My advice is to broaden your structure. Build on other parts of your life, Bring new people into your life. This broadening strengthens and stabilizes your life so that no one part that goes bad destroys the whole structure. Imagine scenarios where your work life may go wrong, where do you go from there ? To the bottom again ? No need. You just… Read more »

emMM Member
em

Thank you for the advice. Much appreciated!

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

the big leap is pretty good actually
I had it in my adible app and have never listened to it. I can so relate to the anxiety. ahem, clearly. I concurr with David and MM and others. You will be much better than fine. But I understand your concern. It’s a lot all at once and Saturn squaring your asendant is a rough transit. Pluto natally squares mine and it is terrifying sometimes but Saturn brings the suck.

davidlMM Member
davidl

With Natal Saturn in Capricorn I already had Pluto conjunct my natal Saturn for around 2 years then my second Saturn return, now Transiting Saturn is catching up to Pluto so everyone else can experience for a few weeks what I’ve endured for a few years. All I can say is suffer bitches 😉

SkarabMM Member
Skarab

Yep, all of the above, but you forget Pluto square natal Sun … joy …(in my case was opp Sun for 2 years). It’s been a long rough trawl this past decade for most 1959 Cardinals, that’s fer sure.

davidlMM Member
davidl

I wrote a really important and lengthy response here Skarab and lost it somehow ? Which sort of encapsulates what I was trying to describe.

SkarabMM Member
Skarab

yep…

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

I absolutely adore this post.
Just read, It’s metaphysical and some that are linked to this post and all the little hairs on my forearms are acting like a crowd at a football match. It’s a ruckus.

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

I am painting my walls with blackboard paint. It’s oddly satisfying. I did a bit the other day with a tiny pot I’d bought but I loved the effect so much I decided to do the entire flat and splashed out on a big pot. I’ve solved many of the issues I had in here by rigorous cleaning with baking soda and vinega and regular vacuming (my amazing friend who has her sn on my nn gave me a dyson:) Feel the clthonic undertow levels rising and so glad I’m on my own tonight and yet not all alone as… Read more »

Annette Wilford
Annette Wilford

It’s pissed on mine

gvolution9MM Member
gvolution9

appreciate the pathos of this
and the humour

Saoirse KirkeMM Member
Saoirse Kirke

Outer.planet.cockblocking.

I’d love to acknowledge the Venus sextiles I’m having but Saturn is square Uranus today and Neptune is square Saturn. So I’ll just be extra aware that I never learned how to apply makeup and pretended I didn’t want to.

Saoirse KirkeMM Member
Saoirse Kirke

https://giphy.com/gifs/cold-14oEknsVCOKSsM

If it was 1996 I’d know just what to do

ÁNLEIFRMM Member
ÁNLEIFR

As a Rising Cap this is all in your 12th house as it is mine. My Rising Cap is at 26 degrees so I’m not there yet but I have been feeling all of this for awhile now. For me, this has been some deep 12th house stuff!

esw4tMM Member
esw4t

Okay, so I’m pretty Plutonian in nature, which I attribute to natal Pluto in 8th in Scorpio, at 2 degrees no less… This is a bane of mine as I’d rather be more jovial and radiant like my Leo sun. And I feel like generally I struggle to channel the (self-evoking, transformative) power of Pluto… should I be drinking Pluto juice everyday? Bathing in it?

Saturn in Pisces
Saturn in Pisces

You will be MORE than fine. Saturn and Pluto on my 20 Cap ascendant has been the greatest success of my life thus far – any big outer planetary energy on a personal point of your natal chart is a massive opportunity to magnetize big energy. Whether that big energy is major success and the realization of a key personal goal – or a visit to a mental hospital, like Uranus on my Moon back when I didn’t know about astrology and denied any “fifth element” dimension of my experiences – that’s up to you. There is no need for concern,… Read more »

emMM Member
em

Thank you so much for your encouragement and words of wisdom – both are super reassuring!

MegsMM Member
Megs

Thanks for posting. My MC is 23 Capricorn, so I’ve been a bit worried about the mighty conjunction for a while. It’s also square my 23 Aries Moon. (And it’s all trine my 22 Taurus Saturn, and my 24 Virgo Mercury/Pluto.) I’ve been looking for the dream job for about 2 years. This is when everything in my life really started to shift, and my life was turned upside down. I still don’t know exactly what the job is, but I know what I want it to feel like. I’ve also let so much shit release from my subconscious these… Read more »

StarinspiredMM Member
Starinspired

✨Awesome, Saturn in Pisces!🎉🤗

flashfireMM Member
flashfire

Ooo. I just love it when you suggest hardcore tangible in the real things (like Pluto Juice and The Big Leap) and that Helene Cixous passage Contains the most gorgeous, uplifting language I and advice. I feel like just reading it helped me jettison major ballast.

VeronicaMM Member
Veronica

As is usually the case for me, the astro plays out very very literally. Like a textbook – With Capricorn being in my 4th I see Cap/Saturn as being the bones of my house and other home- related structures, and Pluto has been here a while, but am comfortable with that energy, as scorp moon/neptune natally I have been at home this last week decluttering the final treasure/clutter of vintage stash, accumulated over 25 years. I can’t quite let it go cos it still resonates and I feel that I’m eventually going to have a specific use for it, BUT… Read more »

milleunanotteMM Member
milleunanotte

Kitchen and bathroom are integral daily areas of living! That is the source of your nourishment and cleansing rituals, so the very roots of functioning mystical being. Be happy in your demolishing and new spaces 🙂

PegasusMM Member
Pegasus

A new bathroom totally renews you. Mine done a few years ago, still in as new condition as easier to clean when already clean.
Happiness for 2020 Ronnie x

emgMM Member
emg

I’d suggest with this combo on your asc you are destined to take a real long term career path to power and glory. It looks like hard work but is it work when you love it? It is a complete change about of life and don’t be surprised if in a few months the road forks and you are a top the mountain next door which is even higher with greater views of the universe. Best of luck. I am having this in my 11th and am changing country and work and home and everything. Learn a new language and… Read more »

emMM Member
em

Thank you. I really do love it! Wishing you lots of luck and happiness too.

milleunanotteMM Member
milleunanotte

And Leonor Fini with Nietzsche. Well, really, Mystic. Really on point. The buried and archived old is a start point and a treasure trove for anything new that stays. Classic is Capricorn, Saturn, Pluto and the Depth restructuring born anew. But GODDESSES, it is simply and utterly challenging!

PegasusMM Member
Pegasus

YES that coupling is genius Millie.

milleunanotteMM Member
milleunanotte

Love the letter writer very much for their growth through foot after foot climb, and showing vulnerability and nerves before the get-go. Mystic thank you for publishing this especially relevant letter with your insights. There is a resonant chord for all to share with LW and each other. I am also querying my own wild pack upbringing from starting to read the print reproduction quote, and thinking it might be one of those Beat guys then seeing it was from a WOMAN who tells us there is nothing behind you there is everything yet to come.(i loved discovering Beat in… Read more »

esw4tMM Member
esw4t

Agree wholeheartedly – to furthering the ascent!

cynthiaMM Member
cynthia

Is the Saturn/Pluto conjunction in a first quarter or 3rd quarter square to your natal Saturn? This seems relevant to me.

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