The Asteroids Narcissus & Echo in Astrology And Relationships
While I am aware of the Narcissus myth and the associated personality disorder, I have not looked at the asteroids Narcissus & Echo in Astrology before. But this Ask Mystic query has aroused my interest!
Years ago, looking at the chart of a dear friend and her ex-girlfriend with whom she had an intense, co-dependent relationship I had the idea of putting asteroids Narcissus (37117) and Echo (60) in the extended chart selection on astro.com and looking at their synastry chart.
It blew my mind. Each woman had her Narcissus conjunct the other’s Echo.
I suppose it just didn’t occur to me to check my placements at the time. I was so busy being astounded as I often am by the intense appropriateness of astrology.
So I spent the last weekend rereading emails I sent 10-12 years ago, comparing them to a recklessly current love zombie fixation. Somehow reading and integrating these emails (so embarrassing!) was a bit of a love zombie antidote and I thought to look up Narcissus and Echo in my chart. Lo and behold I have Narcissus rising at 22 degrees, my rising sign is at 21 Libra. Echo is on my IC.
Ascendants Are The Mask We Show To The World
When I look at this man whom I’ve been compulsively and foolishly writing to since eclipse season in January (like staring into my very own mirror pond, I love writing to him about my life)- his Echo is precisely conjunct my Ascendant/Narcissus. And when I look to my husband’s chart (because, yes, I am happily married and this is some weird seven-year itch- I had blamed Uranus hanging out in my 7th house), he also has Echo on my Narcissus.
So if our Ascendants are the mask we show to the world and mine is conjunct Narcissus does that mean I come across as entirely self-involved? I’ve recently been dabbling in what the oracle calls “healthy vanity” and I’ve no compulsion to stop. I’ve been eating super clean, doing yoga, swimming in the river every day. I recently got a great haircut (the first amazing haircut I’ve ever had) and awesome new glasses. It seems like something that had been missing in my life. But the astro has me a little taken aback.
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Dear Narcissus Rising,
There is so much to parse here! The last post on here addressing narcissism was when a Pisces fell in with a Leo who had legit N.P.D.
So to remind people of the Narcissus and Echo myth: She is a mountain nymph cursed to have “no voice of her own” and worse, she was in love with Narcissus who loved only himself. The contemporary narcissistic personality is well-documented and makes up about 6% of the adult population. My theory is that they equal across the genders. But that patriarchal society supports the male narcissist more than the female version. A male narcissist could become entrenched with age whereas a female narcissist would need a lot of erotic currency to “get away” with it.
Astrologically, I would be expecting to see tricky aspects between the Sun/Ascendant (identity, self-image) and a hefty Outer Planet, more than looking at the asteroids Narcissus and Echo in astrology. If you’re living with Neptune Goggles on, it can be difficult to see yourself or relationships in the chrome light of reality. Also, I suspect that Love Zombies are prone to crush and crush hard on Narcissists. The Pre-Raphaelite vision of the Narcissus and Echo myth, above, could easily illustrate any of the Love Zombie posts. Just give the lady a phone.
Echo Has No Voice Of Her Own
Having said that, you can look up asteroids Narcissus (37117) and Echo (60) via the Astrodienst Extended Options. Echo is currently at 8° Sagittarius and Narcissus at 0° Gemini. Mine do nothing in my chart, but scarily, they are all over the synastry (chart to chart comparisons) of my significant relationships. Example: Aries Ex-Husband – Sun conjunct Narcissus and my Mercury. His Echo on my Venus. My Echo on his Venus. There are other examples, but this has me shook, as the Pluto in Saggo peeps say.
As for your river swimming and yoga et al. – yes! There is an Upside of being a Love Zombie, and you are a high-functioning one. However, with the relationship, if writing ‘the bones’ of your life to this other man is a diversionary tactic to avoid facing the dynamic of your marriage than welcome to Venus in the Via Combusta until Xmas. You’re talking about a seven-year itch but I read “Uranus”. Halloween this year is huge: A Venus-Uranus-Moon’s Nodes Grand Cross. See the Horoscopes for more on that but it sounds like your landing grid!
Or does your being “happily married” rely on you being more of an Echo character?
I am interested to hear everyone’s thoughts on these matters!
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