How To Not Smoke Frog Venom

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Who The Hell Smokes Frog Venom?

Hemp Seeds are an automatic add-on. I have Reishi nearly every night.  My first trial batch of PQQ is in transit. But i seem to have been totally out of the loop on Frog Venom. Or is there no loop? Is Frog Venom not actually the latest antioxidant, psychedelic It-Substance?

Let me walk you back a bit. Ever since my Ascendant Progressed into Aries (Progressed Ascendant post coming up, I promise), i have wanted accentuated brows. Strong brows really are an Aries/Mars thing. So i was having them henna-ed by a very Leo Beautician when she confided that her close friend had been recently hospitalised after taking Frog Venom.

What? This was a Void Moon in Pisces, when we often mis-hear things, as if via a surreal translator. Leo Beautician went on. “She does Yoga. I mean who doesn’t she became Yoga-obsessive. She went to Bali to do a cleanse, had the Frog Venom and rang me from hospital.

I asked what sign this woman was, hearing the right answer in my head even as i phrased the question. Sagittarius. My mind was free-associating. Macbeth’s three witches – was this like eye of newt? All those princesses kissing frogs in fairy tales. The animal cruelty component – was venom like when bees or scorpions sting and once you sting you perish?

How did she take it? I was visualising little vials of venom people put under their tongue before Vinyasa. Was there a way to mindfully get a drop of venom without killing an animal?

“She smoked it”, said Leo Beautician, mixing up a henna hue called latte with one called caramel. “The venom you put on your skin is meant to be an antioxidant but she was hoping for a spiritual experience more like ayahuasca. She said she felt the oneness of all existence but then broke out in a rash so bad they took her to hospital.”

Okay, so i am like the world’s most boring person when it comes to psychedelics. I already have hypnogogic dreams, see auras & ghosts. Acupuncture and dental gas give me shamanic journeying type experiences. So i kind of tune out when i read those articles about how micro-doses of LSD enhance efficiency.

And Neptune squares my Ascendant in Aquarius. When you have Neptune squares, you can’t paddle in the shallows or even go surfing. You’re either deep in that ocean or you’re safely on shore.

But Frog Venom –  however it’s been taken – is enough of a thing that it was mentioned recently at  a Goop Wellness Summit.

I left the Leo Beautician with brows looking temporarily garish and big, like a hieroglyphic. Then I recalled that there was an Ancient Egyptian Frog Goddess. Her name was Hequet and i only remember as some say that her name is the origin of Hecate, the Dark Moon Goddess, the Crone, the Witch Queen and Keeper of the Cross Roads.

Then i began to wonder if this is yet another evolution of the long-time myth of the Frog-Prince. Only nowadays, women are skipping the “prince” part and trying to spiritually transcend via the Frog direct? Or, is it an attempt at a spiritual bypass?  Or even just the new Vodka Martini?

Thoughts?

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embarkons7
embarkons7

Love this anecdote — super-pithy and funny, and love it when you frame posts thorough out and about experiences. And pls report back on the PQQ!

bird
bird

Mystic, how do you have your reishi? I find it so unpalatable.

krs3
krs3

Neptune is squaring my Mercury in Gemini, which is the ruler of my chart. One thing I’ve noticed is that anything mercurial takes ten years longer than it used to. This is not fun for Mercury in Gemini. I’ve been even more sensitive overall. But the thing I notice most is how long everything takes.

Test
Test

wow!

Gallica
Gallica

I’m all for exploring other plains and self discovery, Saggo to the hilt, however I say leave the frogs out of it.

Acupuncture literally changed my life, there is a marked difference in my vibes after a good needling.

Jenn-red
Jenn-red

Is Botox not enough? Ffs
Amethyst on the third eye out of fashion already?
Is a full moon worship skyclad simply old school?

The air miles, the animal abuse, the sheer wankerdom of the whole thing is exhausting. Just no

Universali
Universali

I recently listened to an interview with Dean Jeffries who is making a doco http://toadwhalesun.com/new-teaser-for-the-doco/ The interview was interesting and he does a lot of work w Sea Shepherd so I did some further research. This put me off! “ Toad medicine ceremony with Dr Octavio Rettig All participants should be aware of and agree with the following conditions. Please be informed that during the Toad Medicine ceremony, Dr Octavio Rettig: Might pour water on a participants face or in a participants mouth to stimulate a breathing or swallowing response. Can administer very small electrical shocks with a toy to… Read more »

chronicgir1
chronicgir1

Yeah. No.

ÁNLEIFR
ÁNLEIFR

Mystic, I read that castor oil applied to the brows helps them to grow in thicker, faster.

bird
bird

Yes. And eyelashes, too!

RitaTocta
RitaTocta

It’s true it works!

olyalyalya
olyalyalya

All power to your brows mystic 😉

Algol
Algol

Frog venom, tres chic.

Lisa: Dad, are you licking toads?
Homer: I’m not not licking toads.

olyalyalya
olyalyalya

So there is an ancient practice in amazon, called KAMBO” where you apply frog secretion on a burn. This helps you to purge and release/ toxins and clear your energy, it is effective. I have had this administered to me by facilitators who were trained by shamans and it is works! I think things go wrong when often times, somebody who is not a shaman and does not get it comes up with their own “inventive” method to get some “healing”. This is sad because really frog poison can be used and assist in healing, and then some Joe goes… Read more »

RitaTocta
RitaTocta

Very interesting.

Aqua-cap-Gemini
Aqua-cap-Gemini

I literally just read a post about people smoking scorpions, and then opened up your blog to find this.
In my imagination, her lips are caressing either the frogs bum or mouth, and somehow lighting the poison erupting from the rhomboids, toking on the frog a though it were an old empty coke can, dented in the middle with some singed glowing embers of nutmeg.

Would a vegan smoke frog venom? Surely not.

sphinx
sphinx

Hequet!! This explains so much. I have Hecate conjunct my Sun trine Neptune. The crone Hekate is not so much my bag as the mothering, midwifery quality of Hequet. (I cried watching Anne with and E on Netflix last night, it’s traumatic!) I have been listening to ethnopharmacologist Dennis McKenna talking about creating a course in Peru to train people to become a hallucinogen therapist. It is my dream course! But I am also sensitive enough sans plant allies to not to be too keen to overdo that connection. That connection can be, interestingly to me as a mild synasthete,… Read more »

Kay
Kay

Just about to leave an Aries progressed ascendant. Hail the brow!

Pi
Pi

Also, i think there is appearing a problematic confusion between “beauty” and “spirituality” in a way that is actually threatening to women’s actual physical health. It’s like the middle ages again or the 19th century or whatever. You don’t need a prince, frog Prince, or entheogens, or poison injected into your ALREADY BEAUTIFUL face, to transcend (escape) the bullshit of daily existence.
Mercury retro in Leo??
I’m sorry if I’m beginning to rant, but this is starting to trigger all my rampant Lilith in Taurus ” srsly donot fuq with my body” instincts

Alouetta
Alouetta

My favourite beauty treatment is smashing the capitalist patriarchy. Intersectionality is so hot right now.

Pi
Pi

It really soothes the nerves and makes for a good night’s sleep. You wake up looking and feeling ten years younger.

CSL
CSL

There’s a lot of healing and wisdom to be gained from entheogens. It annoys me that they are abused or even dragged into these sorts of debates. It’s like saying that medicine is bad. It doesn’t make any sense turning this into some feminist rant. This frog venom shit is about stupid PEOPLE doing stupid things.

Pi
Pi

Entheogen or not, It seems from some info here that the frog poison is seen as an anti oxidant for applying to skin. That sounds like a beauty treatment to me. So I reserve my right to call it bullshit from that perspective. Especially if it is marketed to women as yet another way to extract cash based on fear of being unattractive. Whoever it was might have made a silly decision that she didn’t think through, but what bugs me about the whole scenario is that she felt a need to smoke frog-crack when the entire universe and pantheons… Read more »

CSL
CSL

Well yes, I agree with most of what you say, but I don’t think this is being pushed on women specifically and I’ve read the comments on here too. What I’ve read is that it is administered through the skin as a purgative and cleanser of the system, nothing about it being a beauty product for the skin per se. I think you can blame the patriarchy for many evils, but this is not one of them.

Pi
Pi

I’m appreciating your rational tone CSL (are you a cap or an aqua by any chance haha) Purgative still sounds horrid. Consuming poison as a kind of one-day vomit fest (yes I get that I sound obnoxious) strikes me as an alternative kind of catharsis, where just basically partying or going mental / letting off steam to achieve the same effect is less fashionable these days. Maybe as a society we can’t fix the worst things (power imbalance, evil, whatever) so we turn the heat on ourselves to “fix” when probably there’s nothing wrong with us at all. I’m fine… Read more »

Saoirse Kirke
Saoirse Kirke

“When you have Neptune squares, you can’t paddle in the shallows or even go surfing. You’re either deep in that ocean or you’re safely on shore.”

Gold

Chrysalis
Chrysalis

I agree – this line alone was the best therapy/beauty treatment/advice I’ve seen in ages

the cherries are safer
the cherries are safer

It happens in Sydney – a millennial in the bulk foods store confided in me as she weighed my dark chocolate cherries. Said she was doing a cleanse before having her skin scraped with something sharp that was impregnated with venom. Young people sense that I am an open minded woman from a previous generation and tell me all kinds of crazy shit. Sometimes I wonder if they subconsciously want me to warn them against whatever it is. I have Neptune square Mars, so they’re out of luck there. Apparently, it helps you to get to the bottom of things… Read more »

Pi
Pi

Why not just go on a massive bender and have the same experience the next day in the form of a disgusting hangover, whose toxins are at least a known equation?

This is my response to anything marketed at women: would a man do this? If the answer is “LOL fuq no hahahahaha Ru kidding” then that’s my answer too

BLISS WITCH
BLISS WITCH

I can understand a desire to get things done quickly and effectively. As a mother of two young children who is frequently taking college classes who also has a husband, personal interests, and lots of intense close friendships: I have very little time. I sometimes fantasize about a sensory deprivation tank where I could go quite mad and hallucinate and drum up stuff quickly. To integrate and sort and dismiss. I love rituals and ceremonies and things that are effective faster. Journey work, dream work, tarot, yoga and astrology all essential of course. Wish I incorporated more herbal allies. Like… Read more »

Della c C
Della c C

I remember a million years ago, certainly a decade or so before discovering the wet tropics of Australia, seeing some segment on tv about the hippies in the jungle getting high on cane toad venom, have a distinct memory of seeing a Gandalfish fellow picking up a grand daddy toad by the back legs and kind of tea bagging it’s head and body down his throat, then popping it back on the ground where it languidly hopped away. The wizard then glazed over and grinned. the old ‘witches riding broomsticks’ was actually because they would imbibe the toad/frog venom vaginally,… Read more »

Jokerman
Jokerman

Maybe they are gaining, experience, by ticking loads,
One more has been mastered through licking toads.

emg
emg

Pisces rising, Neptune on my south node in Scorpio my 8th and Neptune my only above the horizon planet I should be a total quaff it all addict but I just don’t. Can’t even. My system can’t even cope with caffeine ! It must be my Asc conj Saturn Chiron that trumps it and says you’re staying grounded girl !

emg
emg

Oh and Neptune trines everything for me !

Jokerman
Jokerman

So Nep is ya Bucket Handle. This explains much about you. My Moon is one too.

emg
emg

So every one grabs you by the moon. That could ring true in that I offer up my Neptune in 8 ! It’s my toad venom of choice as I’ve always said !

Resourceress
Resourceress

I am a PhD in psychology and have studied synthetic psychedelics and plant medicines extensively, both academically and through a LOT of personal experience. Smoking Frog Venom is at best highly debatable in psychedelic and spiritual communities. The scientific term for this type of DMT is 5-meO-DMT. Many people who have used this version of DMT have had horrible experiences, and done more damage than healing using this particular version of DMT medicine. As a scientist and spiritual practitioner, I do not recommend using 5-meO-DMT, particularly for inexperienced psychedelic users. If you choose to use this, I seriously recommend being… Read more »

Coleen
Coleen

I am an energy worker and one of my long time clients smoked the toad 5-meo-DMT you’re talking about. She had such a traumatic experience and for obvious reasons, can’t share specifics on what she went though. But like you pointed out- it lasted for a long time. She had to work really hard to get back to feeling normal again. Sadly that wasn’t the last time I encountered a client in a similair situation. I don’t recommend anyone try it! There are other medicines that are way less dangerous.

Balsamicmoon
Balsamicmoon

Much agreed. 🙂 There are many healing substances which are much better suited and montitered than the Colorado River Toads.
However, Ibogaine is an indole alkaloid from the root of the Iboga, and is one of many active alkaloids within the Iboga tree. Ibogaine does not contain DMT but other trephans which studies have shown have anti-addictive properties. Why it is used to heal addictions of all kinds.

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

Great username! Earnestly absorbing the info on plant-based DMT isolates versus the one found in frogs. First thought: why take the venom designed to keep predators away? But, second thought: i have the last of the roses, a few still going, and i had to strip the thorns. We do it all the time, in a way.

Resourceress
Resourceress

Thanks ! It’s part of my professional moniker/alter ego

Balsamicmoon
Balsamicmoon

Pretty sure my best friend did this. She said it wasn’t as profound as some other experiences..She spent several years searching for purpose, healing traumas, addictions, through the use of plant allies. She was actually assisting our friends whom facilitate ibogaine to folks in Mexico for awhile. As an herbalist myself, I have worked with some of these plant allies. I regret none of it. It’s incredible heart centering and humbling work. However, the thought of using a frog, to reach such places does not appeal to me. Is anyone familiar with The Simpsons episode where Homer can’t stop licking… Read more »

kriblack
kriblack

I have Neptune square All.The.Things. Sun, Mercury, Venus, Ascendant, some asteroids. I struggle not to be addicted to life in general. Zombie crushes, food, shopping, binge-watching shows, the internet. I definitely had to cut my social drinking days off after a few short years of hanging at the local pub. I’ve instinctually stayed away from mind-altering substances, too much potential for ending up on the street selling my soul for a fix.

As for the frog goddess, she has recently been co-opted by young, angry, white nationalists on the internet. We seriously need to reclaim her.

https://pepethefrogfaith.wordpress.com/

Electro
Electro

That article was really interesting. I wondered what the story was with that frog.

Rubent
Rubent

“And Neptune squares my Ascendant in Aquarius. When you have Neptune squares, you can’t paddle in the shallows or even go surfing. You’re either deep in that ocean or you’re safely on shore” HOLY Fuq YAS! Thank you for saying this. I have aries venus square cap neptune and this statement is basically the building blocks of dealing with this combo. I have a 30 sec crush on everyone I make eye contact with and woe be to me if I don’t reign it in if the attraction is still there a week later. Cap neptune goes into building mode… Read more »

scorpx4
scorpx4

“Ever since my Ascendant Progressed into Aries (Progressed Ascendant post coming up, I promise), i have wanted accentuated brows.” Hahaha. Once I was prescribed Percocet after tearing during childbirth (yep) and knowing this was not an authentic way to feel good I said to my hubs, “why isn’t it possible to feel this good naturally?” He said, “well maybe it is.” And such has been my quest ever since then. Yoga and meditation allows me to come close, and lord knows I dont have the time for a 12 step program so the only vice I have is Chardonnay. Not… Read more »

Spirulina
Spirulina

Do you mean toad ?

scorpx4
scorpx4

Hahaha yes not frog

RitaTocta
RitaTocta

Ugh so tired of people needing the last stupid idea for their beauty/spiritual awakening. Sorry for the harsh words but seriously when I see those creams and lotions with bee venom, snail, etc I just don’t see the point when there are amazing botanical sources for amazing products.

Electro
Electro

I agree! People seriously get high on novelty and marketers know this.

Gemyogi
Gemyogi

Agree — the latest super food, the latest ‘natural’ craze… and they are eventually recycled after a few years…

Gemyogi
Gemyogi

especially annoying with these crazy diets!! paleo, no-carb, etc. that shit is ridiculous

bird
bird

These diets actually make me quite paranoid and activate doubt in my body’s natural ability to heal itself.

Gemyogi
Gemyogi

Moderation, lots of fresh vegies, you need carbs for energy but best to choose wholemeal bread, grains, whole oats, etc. etc. Just use common sense, and listen to your body, if you are craving something, eat it! Try to minimise sugar, processed foods, and alcohol. It’s pretty simple.

Electro
Electro

Seriously google some videos. There’s one with a guy who spazzes out for a short period of time (under supervision) and then boom is completely back to normal. It must be a very short trip, could be part of the appeal.

Humans are so attracted to novelty, it’s like clockwork once the latest thing looses its sparkle. It’s like some kind of weird trance.

Electro
Electro

Hmm, let me just add that the ‘latest thing’ is often something ingrained in a culture or practice. I’m sure you guys know this but still wanted to add it to my comment.

Sam
Sam

OMG! That is CRAY!!! I’ve never ever even been stoned! Not once! My friends all tried drugs and some do shrooms and edibles still but I’m not that brave. I’ve had crazy dreams falling asleep listening to binaural beats or theta wave recordings….unfortunately I don’t remember most but I do wake up thinking “WTF?!” Working on the remembering part. I’m always afraid that I’ll end up like the yogi if I try anything more than alcohol.

Alouetta
Alouetta

Are people licking toads again? I keep waiting for some new drug to be discovered, but it’s always some rehash – so to speak.

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

“Are people licking toads again” ?1?!?!?!

Priceless. Willl be my mental exclamation if the Eclipse/ ZapZone flashes rbing down the muggle trolls.

Pi
Pi

What do they do, drape an absorbent paper towel over the frogs and then make them sweat poison? Put them into a food processor and then add fragrance to the result? Distil them? Squeeze them gently? Oven-bake their little poisonous skins and then grind it into powder? What species of frog (or toad) is it? Is it a rare or threatened species? Where are they taken from or is it a breeding program, like a dank little back room with frogs in tanks? What is the actual substance, a psychedelic or an anti oxidant? Is the market for fro-tox kinda… Read more »

Suddenly Leo
Suddenly Leo

I agree. Poor, sweet frogs. What gives us the right? I’ve never heard of an animal product that’s truly humanely taken unless it’s an egg from a pet chicken.

Electro
Electro

I did some research (asked my Jupiter in Aries 9th house husband) and he said the venom is extracted from glands on the topsides of their heads. It does not injure them and they are able to produce more. He said you would scare the frog a little and then wipe the glands with paper. This is regarding the Arizona and Colorado type of toads, he wasn’t sure if this was the extraction method for other varieties. It helps to have a living encyclopedia in the house, lol.

Chrysalis
Chrysalis

I have a frog in my garden, I’ve never seen him/her/it but I love listening to the calling at dusk in the warmer weather. Perhaps I’ve misunderstood the eco-tones and he’s actually my new dealer. (Think Chiron transiting 8th house meets a tip-top reticulation system). Perhaps he’s really saying, ‘Pssst! Chrysalis! Put down that glass of cheap shiraz and Sara Lee cheesecake. When did your choice of mood enhancement get so fuqing suburban?? I’m out here under the gardenia and have I got a trip for you. Trust me, it’s NEXT LEVEL.’

skarab
skarab

Hahaha! go for it.
Tip: for a better deal go to Queensland – the amphibian dealers’ HQ.
I actually had to wear earplugs for the first time in my life at my parents’ place to get some shut eye…. thousands of them peddling their wares from dusk till dawn.

Lux Interior Is My Co-Pilot
Lux Interior Is My Co-Pilot

Let us know how it goes!

lia
lia

The article -Natural Products from Ethnodirected Studies: Revisiting the Ethnobiology of the Zombie Poison
makes interesting READING. Frog/toad skin being one of active ingredients.
Having no interest in becoming zombified, I am sticking to Pinot Gris and local oysters.

skarab
skarab

This reminds me of a 1988 Australian documentary titled “Cane Toads an Unnatural History”. It is a really kooky but factual look at these toads which have become a huge pest in Oz. They also have a toxin which apparently was licked off their glands by feral hippies wanting a trip. It doesn’t focus on this aspect so much – but it is so weird that it’s worth a look.

Veronica
Veronica

Oh yes i remember this!!! I was going to say some people have been known to lick frog venom off their backs. Also certain Amazon tribes use frog venom to hunt. Is it called Curare?

I quite like the idea of micro- dosing LSD though. Was also thinking about boiling up a branch of san pedro cactus and having it as a tea. Aparrently can make you feel nauseous…but does work as an entheogen

skarab
skarab

Yes, curare it is – a powerful analgesic. (I LOVE my encyclopaedia of psychoactive plants (as per our previous convo) – well worth it if you are interested in this topic. It gives doses & preparation too) Oooh San Pedro! I inherited a San Pedro cactus when we moved to our present apartment. It was abandoned in a corner of the roof terrace looking abused & forlorn. I’ve brought it back to good health (loves water) & it shot up about a foot in a few weeks(!) The day i repotted it (not an easy task!) i had the most… Read more »

Pegasus
Pegasus

My nightly visiting possum ate my peyote cactus, took great chunks out of it, now it looks very strange. Every night i put an apple out to stop it eating the parsley after realising how hungry it must have been or was it just wanting to get stoned. Now i know possums eat almonds, pineapple, cauliflower apples and peyote.

Incense
Incense

“feral hippies” really made me laugh.

saturnplutoflux
saturnplutoflux

what a bloody stupid idea, there are plenty of non amphibian harming psychedelics if you really can’t get into that zone unassisted

skarab
skarab

yep – druggy globalism of utter stupidity.

Jacqui
Jacqui

I was waiting for “you lick it”. I am using Eyenvy for the return to the bushy brows. Worked a treat on Aries Madam at work.

scorpiodawn
scorpiodawn

yay i only put prog ascendeant in the search bar last nite!

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

Shizz! I read that quickly: Frog ascendant

dark star
dark star

A podcast that I listen to described the experience of having a frog venom treatment in Bali. The healer declined to be interviewed bc she didn’t want to speak for the medicine/ doesn’t want it to be trendy. It sounds like powerful earth magic. I don’t know about smoking it…this was injections.

PlutoMoon
PlutoMoon

Maybe smoking it is an option if you have a thing against needles, or if you think that’s too close to heroin-type narcotics and you’d rather stick to the weed/crack side of things, lol. Either way, powerful earth magic shouldn’t be sold to tourists, yoga-addicts, or anyone really, imo. This should be reserved for the shamans. People who haven’t done the psycho-spiritual prep work before ingesting such strong substances will always end up in the hospital – it’s totally a bypass of all the work if you ask me.

Lili
Lili

Agreed. The sacred traditions involve prep, assessment, monitoring, humility, work, secrecy- and occasional rejection. Safeguards in astral travel.

One person’s microdose is another’s overdose- Ultra sensitive Neptunian so stick to runner’s high, caffeine and occasional cider.

dark star
dark star

i feel like I described this badly. The person who received the treatment is very sick and felt them (the frog spirits) calling to her, and that’s how the healer likes keeping it. Not a casual thing by any means. Very much agree with you re: ayahuasca and the commercializations of shamanic traditions. If you don’t do any prep and pick some random person to do the ceremony at best it’s going to be spiritual bypass with a charlatan and the plant making you puke, at worst you’re opening yourself up to potentially a very dark and dangerous situation.

AstroGeek
AstroGeek

Methinks the toad venom becoming popular is just another symptom of spiritual bypass/yearning for connection to something greater than oneself, sans real “effort”.

That said, it could also be part of an ongoing shift toward more of the indigenous, ancient ways of connecting with the Earth/world at Large.

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