Chiron Return Inspo

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Chiron Return – which everyone has at about the age of 50 – is when you shake off the remnants of previous personae, take stock and try to do whatever healing is required. You are founding a new psychological base for yourself. It’s like a more therapeutic and nuanced version of the Saturn Return that occurred 20 years earlier.

It presents a multitude of opportunities for reinvention of persona.

Some examples. Poetry-reading Cat-Lady. Paleo-Older-Dude. Astro-Obsessive. Gourmet Cruise Addict. Cultural Maven. Twelve Step Elder. Nomadic Shaman. Tech Witch. Yogini. Ultra-Creative. Avid Eco-Warrior. Neo-Nymphomaniac. Chic Celibate. Adventurer.

Scorpio Helen Thayer is a fantastic example of the ‘Adventurer’ style of handling Chiron Return. She took the dog and headed off to the Antarctic.

The Adventurer Style Of Handling Chiron Return

“At the age of 50, five feet two inch Helen Thayer skied alone with an Inuit husky she named Charlie to the magnetic North Pole to become the first woman to do so. Drawing on her experience among the fjords, crags and glaciers of New Zealand, and her experience as a mountain guide and ski racer she skied and walked for 365 miles having braved polar bears, ice floes, and violent storms. “This was a journey of credits and debits,” she noted in her journal early on. “Every time I slipped into the debit column, I had to pull myself over into the credit column without delay.”

That was in 1988. She followed this up with a whole series of trips and firsts – living with Wolves, trekking the Gobi desert and journeying through the Amazon. These days, she educates children about wild animals and spaces while also working as a wilderness chaplain, comforting people caught up in extreme situations or with loved ones lost in harsh environments.

Her advice for success?

“Don’t listen to negative comments, such as the “polar bears will eat you”, “you will fall in the ocean and drown”, “Amazon snakes will kill you”, “you will die of thirst in the desert”. There is a long list of comments. As long as your goal is important to you, you plan thoroughly before leaving, go ahead and be confident. Believe in yourself.”

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skarab
skarab

My Chiron Return (in Aqua 4th H) coincided with full-on menopause for me, so it started off as one the most unpleasant stages of my life. It had been building up for a couple of years until it felt like the seams of my body were fraying & i was ready to fall apart. I’d had enough of people still pushing the same ol buttons; and I suddenly developed an overwhelming aversion to city life & crowds. I would wake up in a sweat thinking: *i want to be alone* Then on a trip to my natal village to visit… Read more »

flowerchild
flowerchild

Thanks for sharing this, it resonates for me. I’m just past my Chiron return by degree but still feeling effects and these effects are much as you describe……mostly, wanting to be alone. …… and being ‘over it’ in terms of city life and feeling unfulfilled in my day to day, burned out on seeing the same crap over and over.

Not quite at menopause yet, but maybe when that fully kicks in, I’ll actually get to go to an environment where I can truly heal and be alone, too….

skarab
skarab

I hope you do to, flowerchild. I think we all deserve a break at this stage in life. I’ve seen so many clients suffer burn out & crisis of sorts around their Chiron Return that i think everyone should have paid leave for a couple of yrs during this time. It would give people a chance to rest and re-asses their lives – or do nothing at all … ride off into the sunset, go on retreat, plant trees. It’s such a Yin time of life, and a transitional one. Transitions need calm, patience & nourishment. There should be no… Read more »

LiberatingVenus
LiberatingVenus

Oh, I love this story SO much! How utterly fitting, as Chiron in Aquarius so often represents a wound of alienation! Through that trip home, you “…realised that [you were] not alone & that [you were] part of a non-human community…” – that is most certainly the Medicine offered by Chiron in Aquarius!!! It sounds like Dog and Horse served as physical Power Animals to you during that emotionally difficult transitional time – I know I am repeating myself here, but Chiron’s energy is highly animistic as Chiron himself was half man and half animal. He intimately understands this primal… Read more »

Jokerman
Jokerman

This about animals, esp dogs, resonates very well with me. I’ve had instances with dogs that ppl have witnessed, the event, who’ve said they wouldn’t have believed if they hadn’t of seen it. Our family dog was effectively my dog. When l got my first BMW and go off on it my brothers said it dog howled, like as at the moon, to go with me. So l buyed panniers for my bike and got the dog to sit on it. No matter how much l leaned the bike over it stayed with me. I’m sure the dog would’ve jumped… Read more »

skarab
skarab

Crikey, thanks LV…. duh, of course – it’s the Aqua & alienation theme that is in this!
Also Jupiter & Neptune were both conjunct the Chirons (under 1º) at the time of that trip & repairing the cabin… (intense astro)

And i’m hearing ya about not being able to imagine a life without animals – they’ve been my people too. I am, in fact, thinking of writing about my experiences with the beasties up at the shack, as well as friendly and not so friendly trees and other entities.

(Radagast…mushrooms… <3 !!)

Veronica
Veronica

So, so true!!
when I just look at animals, I can feel my heart chakra opening. I do love them so much, all of them! with humans, not so much- Feel that especially wild animals need to be protected from humans

Where i live now, i strongly feel a part of the local non-human community, the birds from the wetlands, my dogs, the neighbours dogs, the magpies on their turf in front of their particular house, the bats at night and possum who was sleeping in the corner of my studio roof. So happy to be surrounded by this

Chrysalis
Chrysalis

OH god I wish i’d been able to do this the last couple of years. Menopause has been brutal and as Saturn approaches my Cap moon I am dealing with all kinds of gynae issues. I chose not to have children for a variety of reasons and it’s like now my uterus is asking to be taken notice of. It is emotionally difficult in addition to the challenging physical symptoms I still deal with four years after my last period. So I am now tackling all those issues one by one. All the women my age I know keep saying… Read more »

skarab
skarab

Yes, having to go through gynae hell & not having had children does seem (more) unfair somehow.
I’m sure you’ve done this – but in case you haven’t – have you had your thyroid checked? Hypothyroidism has v similar symptoms as menopause ones & usually occurs in women at middle-age too. The only advice i can give you after you’ve had it checked out is to get yourself a good TCM practitioner that can help you with all of this.

Chrysalis
Chrysalis

Thank you skarab it’s on the long list of things to be tested/checked. I need to get the internal problem sorted first then can address the other issues. In the meantime I’m trying to educate myself, and am spending a lot of time googling wilderness / nature retreats x

Incense
Incense

I’m returning to astrology after a long time away from following it, and there’s so much to learn, I only just learned about Chiron a few months ago, and as I have it in Aries (and turn 49 this summer) here I am looking at a Chiron return. Which is fascinating as I have been undergoing a huge spiritual transformation in the last year, picking up speed as I face down and finally move past all the old lives I used to live, all the old people I used to be and cast off their negativity. As the song says,… Read more »

veronica
veronica

“She took the dog and headed off to the Antarctic.”

I like the cut of her jib, this Helen Thayer. 🙂
Any such adventure would be immeasurably better with a canine companion or two!

I suppose I am a would- be Eco Warrior, but a definite Ultra-Creative. Serious respect and admiration for Jane Goodall and folk like her, but I think its more my path to tackle that subject matter from the studio

sphinx
sphinx

Chiron on my MC currently.
I had hopes that this would signal a release from the personal Chiron and manifest as a more community centred, public or work oriented Chiron.
Not so far!

In fact the opposite, doubling down on the Chiron in the Home.
Maybe it’s more Chiron opposing my IC that’s key for me.

Jokerman
Jokerman

The Angles. A two-edged blade.

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

When you read of a sword, it sounds like a tool or weapon but until you learn to wield it, use it to slice up your vegetables or properly hack off a branch or neatly do an etheric cord, how is the damn heavy thing worn..? …it tends to trip, making you knock a glass that you have to not step on, cause some skin wounds that you then think could have been worse… It sounds like a metaphor, and it is i guess, but maybe if a Mars Squared Elemental Metal person could possibly offer anything useful here, it’s:… Read more »

LiberatingVenus
LiberatingVenus

The MC and IC are the parental axis – if we have children, a transit to either will most definitely affect our role as a parent. With the MC, usually there’s more responsibility involved. Knowing the nature of your work, though, this is something that can actually push you further as a healer. Chiron is the Healer, Medicine Man, or Shaman archetype and with it on your MC you’re applying this consciousness not only to your role as a parent but it will be directly applicable to your career as well. It’s integrative. I frequently tell people it’s generally not… Read more »

sphinx
sphinx

Thanks for the hot tip! Gracious and thoughtful as always LV 😉

I do need to resurrect my Pranic Healing Training.. it’s so time consuming though and it’s something I am short of currently. Along with upgrading my Reiki skills as a Master Reiki friend offered to attune me further in a private short course.. Sorry if you don’t get to read this as I am so late. I hope your fur baby is doing well! Pain is such a great teacher… :-/

Andrea
Andrea

Me too for Chiron Pisces 29 – mine is in the 3rd house. I can feel the release of the first 50 years (mine was a bit fuqed and left me vibing unsafe) and I am having that what do I want /like /need to be real. So far there’s been art, lots of psychic decluttering, learning trust and optimism and as with Calidor I need to piss off the suppressing effects of grog.
Awesome post Mystic, your timing is divine.

emg
emg

What did you mean by Vibing unsafe?

Andrea
Andrea

My vibe (what I was putting out to the world) was set on unsafe mode (anxious, reluctant, watching my back, untrusting) a really shit way to live especially when you are unaware of it.

emg
emg

Ah get it now. Yes that is not nice to live in constant flight or fight. It is exhausting if nothing else. But I have to admit to hormones being a key to anxiety for me too. Just free form anxious for no good reason.

Andrea
Andrea

These years of breaking down the conditioning have brought me to the understanding that what brings me the most love is living peacefully. I amsoaware of how sensitive I am to any stress, a few beers cause a panic in me. I hope post Chiron Return I can find a version of the world that is peace.

dark star
dark star

Defs channeled this lady on my way into work today (18″ snow in April woohoo)

In all seriousness she is an inspiration and I want to see more heros journeys stuff from ppl not in their 20s 30s bc that’s just the beginning for most of us…I want depth, life experiences , renewals. Lol color me plutonic

emg
emg

It is true. We as a species are living longer and can be stronger if we eat right, exercise, generally look after the body we have but 50 and they write you off. It seems so short sighted as I have greater staying power than in my youth, greater wisdom and strength and day to day know how. Why do we want for beautiful youth? Maybe it is simply because at 20 or 30 these folk still are so malleable and can be subltly forced into the round hole they don’t fit in. At 50 we know where we fit… Read more »

dark star
dark star

Hm v true- more space in a way to do your own thing

Chrysalis
Chrysalis

This past seven years has been beyond challenging. It has burnt me down and made me anew… (hopefully) stronger/better/more authentic. Chiron has been through my 7th house and over my sun-Saturn-Merc-Psyche in addition to Chiron return a couple of years ago. Over my sun coincided with massive upheaval and it just continued from there. I saw a Tarot reader last week – cleaning the house after Chiron’s long stay – and had a few things confirmed for me. It’s a new life now. I have finally, finally accepted it. I had a massive wardrobe declutter over the weekend, cut it… Read more »

Chrysalis
Chrysalis

Oh, I forgot to add, what persona am I? I have no idea. I feel like an entirely new species.

emg
emg

Good for you.

Pi
Pi

well, you have wings and stuff now… you know, that whole chrysalis thing.. x

emg
emg

nice!

Chrysalis
Chrysalis

xxx

Taurus Vixen
Taurus Vixen

INterestning that this is the 2nd time Chiron return information has crossed my path and it was almost 5 years ago. What I especially remember is getting on a plane to go on a solo 7 days long vacation. I’d gone solo before but never to another part of the country. Went out to New Mexico and had such a Soulful experience.

astraeagold
astraeagold

Ah yes, Chiron return. For me, the fog cleared after a dysfunctional relationship and protracted breakup – I was out of it. Both my head and my heart were at peace with it. And I went to South America for the first time. I remember a colleague saying to me before I left that I was ‘brave’ for the trip I had planned. And my thought (unexpressed to her) was hell no, this isn’t brave. What was brave was turning up every day for the last two years, going through all that crap. This, upping and going to South America,… Read more »

emg
emg

This is exactly what I am feeling. I am about to start living me. Instead of the follow suit I had been living for years.

LadyLeh
LadyLeh

Chiron for me is Pisces and snuggled up to the MC-IC. So I am constantly paddling the river of healing. But my sun is Sag, and strong as such. It drags me off to travel as often as possible, as a way to heal. Reading your post I now think maybe travel works well for me because its just what I love. Find healing in what you love.

VSLR
VSLR

Can anyone share with me their experience of chiron transiting their 7th? This will be me when it goes in Aries. Any insight would be fab 🙂

emg
emg

I think I must have been around 25/26 years old and I got married for the first time. I think that may say it all !
I thought I was doing life right, but my word did I learn that I was living someone else’s life. Also it has to depend on your age when you get there but watch for all those deep seated things in you to do with partnership and then allow yourself to be honest.

VSLR
VSLR

I am currently 26 and hoping to get married. Uranus has shaken my 7th house for the last 8 years in aries. Chiron coming in somehow feels like things will go deeper. Thanks so much for commenting 🙂

emg
emg

So your 7th is Aries? That would say then that you need to be very much about you in partnership. A need to deeply individuate in relating. It is totally possible to find yourself more in a partnership, so hoorah for you.

veronica
veronica

emg you are right, come to think about it, with needing to be absolutely myself in the partnership
(natal Aries 7th)

VSLR, first saturn return may also be a factor coming into play at your age

night_owl13
night_owl13

I’m pulling through this now, am at the tail end. I must say for me it was one of the worst times in my life (so far). However, it was also squaring itself and a nasty Saturn/Mars/Venus thing I have so my experience isn’t without bias.

Scorpleocap
Scorpleocap

I love this post. (Is it the scorp in me?) I’m definitely going to check out Helen Thayer some more. Thanks, Mystic!

Calidor
Calidor

My natal Chiron is at 28 Pisces conjunct my IC. I am six months off turning 50. I have had seven years hard core Chiron. Like something has grabbed me by the scruff of my neck and shoved me up against a multitude of things that I didn’t want to see but eventually had to. (Despite my doing the equivalent of wilfully closing my eyes and pretending I was a teapot)

I am very grateful to the powers that be for this. Now I must deal with my alcohol addiction.

LadyLeh
LadyLeh

Yep, all of the above.

emg
emg

I have just had mine. Although it will be hanging about for a while yet but I am sloughing off so much crap I can’t begin to cover it all. I had offered my parents a chance to make a family unit as they are ageing and dad has Lewy body dementia which is taking hold now. They are well off and could have helped me out by buying into this house of mine that refuses to sell which I have to get rid of or the bank takes it back and I am homeless. So I said, come here,… Read more »

Pi
Pi

argh EMG i wish i could send you a cheque for everything i my bank account (it’s not enough,alas ) and just buy your place. i have this picture in my mind’s eye which tbh is probably something like ‘Skyfall’ except less starkly remote…

parents are so odd :\

viva your sadge MC. 🙂

emg
emg

Oh Pi you are such a delight. Thanks for the bank balance I will use it wisely. For what ever reason this house was with me and was a rather heavy Albatros ! Thankfully now I can let it go. I really have got to that point of who gives a **** about it. I am trying now not to be in survival mode but more in line of thrive in a totally different environment but it is a psyche environment. Parents… hmmmmmmm. I have moon conjunct mars in cancer in my 4th. That was never going to be pretty… Read more »

Pi
Pi

🙂

Wow, moon Mars in cancer in the 4th is quite the sun/ magnifying glass situation.

Chrysalis
Chrysalis

The ageing parents issue is strong for many of us at this time, isn’t it… even more difficult when the relationship with the parent/s has been problematic to start with. Also, and perhaps this is my Cap moon talking (now under Saturn and Pluto, god help me) but I am starting to realise just how heavily weighted society and its power structures are against post-Chiron return women who aren’t married. Economic security is important and more important than ever as we age. You are wise and resourceful, and this will work in your favour whatever happens with the house situ.… Read more »

Jacqui
Jacqui

My Chiron is at 27 degrees Pisces conjunct Saturn and this Aussie Gal has just landed in Rome for a Meditterean cruise I can tick 6 of your examples. Going to freshen up, put something groovy on and eat pizza, real pizza. Caio bella

emg
emg

Caio indeed. Enjoy your trip around the med. It is a fabulous place to be. Especially just on your Chiron return. I too have that same conjunction and it is on my asc. Happy coming of age!!

Jacqui
Jacqui

Thank you. Got a little bit lost and discovered the Pantheon, what luck!

Pi
Pi

<3 <3 <3 <3 <3
so happy.

virgosun
virgosun

Recently had my Chiron return. Must go back and check the dates and exactly what was going on.

Feathered Fish
Feathered Fish

50 was a bit of a wastershed. It was the time when brute force of will could no longer keep up the facade of a previous era. It is also the time of zero f@#ks given. Kind of funny how I thought I could just keep going with a long held paradigm. A little sad that I have lost the optimistic glow I once had, which has been replaced by something much more cynical, but I guess that is just how life unfurls.

LadyLeh
LadyLeh

Oh yes, the loss of the glow. This has preoccupied me alot lately. I dont mind a shake of cynicism, but I’m worried about living with low glow. I’m thinking of getting some deep bodywork to expel the buildup of dark matter, sorrow, and shittiness. I want to believe I can Roto-Root the crap out, and find fresh sprouting glow.

Jokerman
Jokerman

Ha, Astro-Obsessive. (Chiron return in Astro-ruling Aqua 2009/10)

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

With that Kombi and other drives i’ll just bet you’ll blend in Avid Eco-Warrior (you are, even if you haven’t thought about it) plus Yogini, even though you are not of that partic discipline…it’s a kind of guru-in-training status but mostly focused on the self actualising rather than the telling-what-to-do. You know, the old school telling will fall by the wayside, is falling already for the usually-told, anyway. So your style of truth will draw a few. Along with the Uranian-Plutonian-Chironic blownwideopen thing, just by being and seeking you, and financing your daily life, you’ll be weirding yourself out by… Read more »

Jokerman
Jokerman

Well l have thought about it; Eco-Warrior. Degradation of the planet (in fact any waste) causes me much anguish. I was down about that whale with 30kg of plastic in its gut. I had been doing yoga for near 2yrs till l got da sack. It suits my Yin make-up. Well if Chiron Return in my 8H Aqua doesn’t make you an astrologer (Kia Entry-level…gotta start somewhere) then Uranus over the MC will; esp as my 1H Uran shares a Mutual Triplicity with the Luminaries. And l love weirding out others so l may as well do myself. And if… Read more »

emg
emg

I am so sure you have that flat paddle tail already!

Hellcat
Hellcat

“Don’t listen to negative comments, such as the “polar bears will eat you” LOL I’ve got Chiron transiting my 0 Aries MC/3 Aries Moon conjunct soon–asteroid Magdalena @ 2 Aries–while Saturn is about to go retro bang on to the minute my Saturn’s return–(note, my peer group currently doing Saturn’s Return are also of the Saturn/Neptune conjunct–also conjunct Uranus in Capricorn) Lately my thing has been an intense amount of focus around relaxation/meditation and re-training my thought patterns away from negative thinking. Literally, every time I think something negative–about myself/a situation I’ve been working to stop and shift my attention… Read more »

Hellcat
Hellcat

*meant to say “of the Saturn/Neptune/Uranus in Capricorn era” in reference to my peer group, currently doing Saturn’s Return*

scorpiodawn
scorpiodawn

ive got chiron on my 4 aries moon soon…is it gonna b bad, lol?

leo-scorp grrrl
leo-scorp grrrl

This so resonates. I’m Chiron at 2 degrees Aries and making majors changes to combat the damage I did to my health under years of work stress and fight or flight response. The eclipse and last pass of Uranus over my Saturn at 26 degrees Aries forced the change (allowed it imho). I did not have “permission” before but now that working for myself and my Saturn savings is allowing me to go slowly and find some healing. I have a long journey back and may never be the same. But, I just returned from camping, which my inflammation and… Read more »

sphinx
sphinx

Taurus rules the voice and my interest in the vagus nerve comes from having a child who has limited verbal ability. The ability to swallow, the pitch of the voice and so forth all are related to the vagus nerve. The very high pitched scream of the baby with inflammation of the nervous system comes from the tightened vagus nerve.

Perhaps Uranus in Taurus will bring about new ways of accessing the vagus nerve, as well as meditation; stem cells seem a vaguely Taurean initiative to my mind?

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