Pisces Confidential – Chiron Leaving Pisces

Patrick Demarchelier

Everyone is in transition these next nine weeks.  But right now – with Chiron Leaving Pisces and the New Moon impending being alongside Chiron – Pisces is the Sun Sign doing the most intense psychic evolution.

It’s an identity crisis that WILL equal opportunity because Pisces are opportunists. A Pisces in Flow State is a synchronicity witch or wizard, a momentum player. But Chiron leaving Pisces can create surges of doubt in even the most perky Pisces person.  Hello again to every ancient angst or ghost of a demon that Pisces has ever grappled with. Existential Ennui alternates with surges of visionary cosmic WOW factor and then it’s back to some self-doubt. Or, to mix it up a bit, fearing judgement from others.

But this is (1) a lot better after the New Moon and (2) a hell of a lot better after Chiron moves constellation in mid-April. And then there is the beautiful synergy between the Pisces rulers Jupiter and Neptune to anticipate. The Dark Moon leading up to this New Moon – the exact times are in the Daily Horoscopes – is particularly healing if you go with it.

First Thing Every Morning, Before You Arise, Say Out Loud “I Believe” Three Times

Meanwhile, do whatever process works best for you to figure out what 2011 till now was all about. Not just the obvious ups, downs and go arounds but thematically, as a lengthy scene in your life narrative. Check your Horoscopes for more perspective.

You may also like this advice from the Ancient Roman poet Ovid, a Pisces born at the end of the Zodiac where Chiron is now. Two thousand years ago, he said “First thing every morning, before you arise, say out loud, “I believe,” three times.” Weirdly, it works.

 

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Star
Star

*raises hand*

First time caller, long time listener. How are you?

Chiron in Pisces has conjuncted Sun, now in 5th – soon to leave my sign. It’s been painful.

Also with transiting Node in Leo across 10th house.

All about sun force – what does it all mean?

Xx

PlutoMoonMM Member
PlutoMoon

Sigh. I’m learning that the pain will never be gone. I’ll always have to carry this with me. It’s a permanent part of my life now. I have to learn to pack it up as lightly as I can because it’s necessary baggage at this point. Instead of continually trying to “release it,” and being angry that it’s still around, I have to invite it to stay, light a candle for it, give it some tea and make it comfortable. It isn’t going anywhere so I might as well embrace it. The only choice I have is how I choose… Read more »

milleunanotteMM Member
milleunanotte

PF, i hear and read that Pisces flirts a lot. I couldn’t really say. If i’m trying to smooth a social interaction i feel fake as, but i’ve learned (late) that it’s a social glue. Then again, I’m Merc Aries, with Merc square Capricorn effective Mars and opposed Uranian diplomat Libra in 11th, which makes Uranus explosively square Mars again into a giant t square. I can’t speak for women and i can’t speak for Pisces as a rule. Look at Mystic. She sparkles in her way with words and imagery, and is intuitive to the point many people comment… Read more »

JokermanMM Member
Jokerman

What you describe is like general flirtatiousness. With this woman its like she drops what she does to serve me. The other day l said “l need a….” and before l could identify what l wanted she said “Over here”.

I sent her a box of chocolates some months ago and it seems she has not forgotten. Me? Saturn is on my Dsc NOW. I’ll let Saturn do his stuff and l just gotta be patient. But l might have to go get another car part soon…..

PiMM Member
Pi

be more patient than you might want to be. is my general advice

JokermanMM Member
Jokerman

So true; l am very aware of what Saturn is saying re the 7th. Esp with Pluto being in my 7th for ages. Esp, esp, esp with Jup Rx over my SD Jup. Scorp rules my 5th.

PiMM Member
Pi

those crab claws might want to hold on so tight you accidentally cut off a fin, no fish wants to be rendered immobile.

JokermanMM Member
Jokerman

Reread my statement

PiMM Member
Pi

which one bro

JokermanMM Member
Jokerman

“So true; l am very aware of what Saturn is saying re the 7th. Esp with Pluto being in my 7th for ages”

This was agreeing to your exhortation (@11:37)

PiMM Member
Pi

fair enough, i don’t think i was contradicting that though. we do speak different astro languages fwiw.

JokermanMM Member
Jokerman

No, you weren’t contradicting. You were, from how l read it, repeating what you had already said.

Yes you Mutable.
Me Cardinal Fr Office, Fixed Warehouse.

Plum
Plum

I’ve had all the mid-life transits during this time and I’ve transitioned from ‘young’ to ‘not young’.

PiMM Member
Pi

Plum, I so hear you on this.

milleunanotteMM Member
milleunanotte

From young to BETTER, you mean 🙂

Plum
Plum

Literally sitting here with paper and coloured pens trying to work out what my no-longer-young life should look like.

Plum
Plum

My better life, I mean! You are right, there is that potential, at least.

ChrysalisMM Member
Chrysalis

Same. I am struggling with menopause and associated health issues in addition to career and post-divorce doldrums. I don’t feel excited at all about the future.
How did you go with your vision board-ing?

Plum
Plum

Quite fun but wholly inconclusive. I think goal stalking just isn’t really me. I tend instead to arrange my life for maximum freedom and flexibility and then see what happens. On the whole it works but I sometimes get frustrated with myself for being so passive. I’m sorry to hear about your health issues. I have that to come, but soon probably. It’s one reason I feel an impetus to check my foundations.

Plum
Plum

Oh. Surprised myself writing that. Perhaps it’s less where I’m going that I’m trying to get clear, and more where I’m starting from.

Lux Interior Is My Co-PilotMM Member
Lux Interior Is My Co-Pilot

It hit me last night, in the dark undertow before the new moon. GAH.

TripleLMM Member
TripleL

Same here. I dreamed I was publicly shamed in a job held long ago. Pisces rules my 10th H. My career has had many ups ‘n downs; I have had to re-invent myself several times. Not at all doing what I thought I would, but I am happy & know I am helping others.

gogengoMM Member
gogengo

Ugh my Pisces Moon is feeling this so strongly!!

All the feels this past week

leolizaMM Member
leoliza

Chiron is leaving my 8th house…phew. I was reiki certified during this time. We spent time redoing our insurances/wills with company partners and some things came out in the light but resolved. There was a huge identity theft for husband but that took forever and left huge doubt with IRS security. Moving into my 9th house for the next 7 yrs.

ChrysalisMM Member
Chrysalis

Death and rebirth. Jesus. In this era Chiron then Neptune have been on my Venus/Dsc then 7th house Sun-Saturn-Merc, then Chiron. Now Dr Chiron is on my 8th house Pisces Psyche. Not to mention Pluto just finished with my moon-Lilith. It is a wonder I am still here. I am like that astronaut who went into space then came back with different DNA.

PiMM Member
Pi

Whoa. That happened?

ChrysalisMM Member
Chrysalis

I ignored the advice in the scopes last night and went Full Pisces. What I hoped for from the Chiron in Pisces era did not eventuate and I am out of ideas. I don’t have any idea what comes next or what life could begin to look like, without descending into midlife cliches. I enrolled to finish a postgrad that I abandoned years ago mostly because I didn’t know what else to do, and the incompletion has plagued me. Yet I can’t get into it properly and the self-doubt is back with a vengeance. It’s hard going but at least… Read more »

PiMM Member
Pi

Definitely just do those things for a bit. xxx I’m picking up some cap moon pressure in there. That’s ok, because i know that freewheeling is kind of the opposite vibe of cap, but / and i am sure there is a third option if not more. If it’s venturing into fear though, that might need some gentle contemplation. nature walks and reading might give your psyche some breathing space. if we’re feeling like this (whichever) option is the Only Option , that’s the Devil card in tarot. There is always another way. even if that other way is actually… Read more »

Plum
Plum

I agree with Pi, there are always options, and it’s worth working out what they might be even just to know that they’re there. But also…i think you are Leo rising with 5th house moon? How we feel about how we look is important. Maybe you can embrace a bit of vanity for a short term boost?

gbsMM Member
gbs

“Existential Ennui alternates with surges of visionary cosmic WOW factor and then it’s back to some self-doubt. Or, to mix it up a bit, fearing judgement from others” All of this exactly captures how I’ve felt the past few days as the Sun transited over my natal Chiron.And the New Moon will conjunct my Chiron and trine my Sun-Neptune conjunction, so I suspect there will be more of this kind of insight coming my way over the next few days. Metamorphoses was one of my mother’s favorite books, and I remember pulling it down from the bookshelf to read when… Read more »

JacquiMM Member
Jacqui

Chiron on my Saturn which is a couple of degrees after chiron. But Venus on venus and soon moon on moon. Planning for a Mediterranean cruise actually triple planning bc mercury lucky I saved hard for the last 5 yrs cause everything else will disappear into “another” investment while I’m gone. Psychic once said she saw finances up and down, probs saw this pattern.

birdMM Member
bird

Ugh! CHIRON! Get OFF my SUN!!!!!! Okay, I really love the growth and stuff, but really? REALLY?!

birdMM Member
bird

Okay. Re-read post. It’s good. I’m good. Sighhhhhhhhh…

JokermanMM Member
Jokerman

So its your birthday too. HB.

birdMM Member
bird

Tuesday 20th. Same as Mystic’s. Thank you! X

JokermanMM Member
Jokerman

While we’re at it, HB MN.

milleunanotteMM Member
milleunanotte

🙂

JokermanMM Member
Jokerman

There is a heck of a lot of Pi-sces on here.

JokermanMM Member
Jokerman

Do Pisces flirt a lot? I’ve got one that flirts with me everytime l see her. She has Nep on her Sagg Asc. She is very Mutable.
I’m playing it very cool with her but her Pisces eyes make my knees disappear.

milleunanotteMM Member
milleunanotte

This is too skinny for my JUPITER. Reply below x

milleunanotteMM Member
milleunanotte

Weird, but reply went to the top of page. That kind of day

JokermanMM Member
Jokerman

It’s the new way

PiMM Member
Pi

Sympathies 🙂

birdMM Member
bird

Lol…

birdMM Member
bird

Thank you xx

emgMM Member
emg

Thank goddess. It’s not just me then. I’ve got my Saturn Chiron conjunction on my asc right at the last degrees of Pisces and I’m utterly mental low confused depressed you name it I’m doing it right now. Utterly terrified about the tv thing on Monday still umming and ahhing about pulling out. But I know it’s something that needs said but again don’t have my bullish nature on tap just now. Utter confusion in every life aspect. You name it it’s all up in the air and could fall in such opposite directions. I’m exasperated by my mother and… Read more »

JokermanMM Member
Jokerman

I already live on Neptune. Itsa bit spongy underfoot.

emgMM Member
emg

But Jupiter is party central!

skarabMM Member
skarab

Hey guys! I hear Uranus has a Crusty party going down. Let’s blow!

emgMM Member
emg

Party for crab peeps. Yay.

JokermanMM Member
Jokerman

There’s no corner for me to sit in! I’m not going to play crabsticks for the fun of it.

scorpiodawnMM Member
scorpiodawn

12th hse…eek
particularly painful, watery teary time…bloat, interstitial cystiyis flare…starting new job, not sure i can cope…talk abt ‘when the body says no’
need to get gabor maté bks

looking forward to chiron on moon, early aries…will this b gd for me??

AndreaMM Member
Andrea

Today is my exact Chiron Return. It’s been crazy ride but I’m feeling that all the radical truth telling, deep clearing, letting go and creating afresh has made me.
Ive been urgently pumping out an online course that I’m calling the Lemonade Cure to teach others how to to empower through their disappointments, it’s been streaming out of me.
I’ve been learning this my whole life and now I want to share it – I just found out this is Chirons work.
What happens once he’s crossed your path?

davidlMM Member
davidl

My mother once told me that when you are older you learn to carry pain. I didn’t really understand at the time but as I age I think that it means accepting your weaknesses, your failures, your limitations and learning to live with them instead of the constant struggle trying to banish them completely.
Maybe the wounded healer is who we become. By carrying pain our understanding of others pain is very real, empathic and can become a powerful healing force.

PegasusMM Member
Pegasus

You mother was a bijoux
David she taught you well.
The wounded healer is exactly what we become once we understand the human condition and the sympatico for it.
Love your guts.

AndreaMM Member
Andrea

Sage advice from your mum. “Your wound is where the light enters you” Rumi

Lotus AMM Member
Lotus A

Exhausted

dark starMM Member
dark star

This new moon is one deg off my moon. Cool. Thankful for all the weird turn pro action since 2011, even if it felt like lost girl HQ. Theme: change your insides, it moves the outsides…Ovid knew something didn’t he

dark starMM Member
dark star

Love Ovid. Only a mutable could write Metamorphoses 😉

virgosunMM Member
virgosun

Geez I hope so. Currently Chiron conjunct my Ceres and Neptune is sitting on on my Saturn. Since 2011 has been sooooo hard going. Could really do with a break.

PiMM Member
Pi

Not looking forward at all to Chiron conjunct my MC and opposing Pluto-IC point, but it can’t be any worse than the transit over my sun. ..Can it?

milleunanotteMM Member
milleunanotte

Hope not for you and for me, Pi. I mean, all up i know it’s good growth. I can’t unsee what i’ve been seeing in terms of patterns, But it’s sometimes the pain is striking, and a bit paralysing in the moment. I feel your MC IC with Sun must be tremendously core self and relating from it kind of stuff. And there ! I just looked up and there;s this giant redtailed black cocky eating from a high point in a branch. The wind shook it all, and it just kept on to that branch. There are five of… Read more »

milleunanotteMM Member
milleunanotte

excuse typos, i’m sure you get the drift

milleunanotteMM Member
milleunanotte

f* i made a pun – oops

PiMM Member
Pi

wait, what? for some reason i thought you were in the US.

su-hu-per striking pain. vague recollections of being curled up on floor halfway under bed at 4am or doubled over on sofa at 2.30am (weeks on end) barely able to breathe for the gasping sobs or drowning in the absolute racking wrongness of everything that i am and do. fecking hell. oh well! more to come. so be it

PegasusMM Member
Pegasus

Hey Pi you are beautiful.
Believe it.
Say it.
I am beautiful inside and out
x 3.
You are loved.

PiMM Member
Pi

That’s a nice thing to say, pegs. I just can’t seem to manage a functional relationship. – and I don’t even mean romantic, I mean new and cool and productive working relationships – to save myself. I honestly don’t know the way forward with this. I’mv just venting .. not looking for an answer.. like I’m missing the chapter of the textbook that helps you know what to say or do to be someone who people want to connect with. Anyway this is lower talk I guess. It’s just lonely af out there. Oh hey, Chiron on Venus in my… Read more »

PiMM Member
Pi

thanks peg. sorry about self pity rant… terribly un-firey of me 😉
hard to accept/ believe sometimes.
hey.
“I believe”
ha di har har
there you have it..
xxx

birdMM Member
bird

Ouch. No wonder you come forth with such empathy and kindness, having been in the depths yourself. xxx

PiMM Member
Pi

it’s just so utterly fuqing counterproductive. There is absolutely ZERO evolutionary incentive in experiencing this. Nothing. It doesn’t make us biologically better (worse, if anything) and it certainly doesn’t make us feel a greater sense of wellbeing. I just can’t understand it. Unless its a function of the development of a complex society and the more complex high level relating styles and socio-political relationships and structures that go with that. Every clan needs a shaman, right?

PiMM Member
Pi

oh god! not saying that i am that. but the otehr stuff

birdMM Member
bird

xxx I have to make dinner for hoards, but will respond to you tomorrow. Hang in there lovely. You’re an important and valued member of our community here.

PiMM Member
Pi

re cockatoos, i guess if you’re hungry enough, no wind can shake us from our dinner 🙂
red tailed = so gorgeous!

batshleyMM Member
batshley

Pisces is a good portion of my 10th house, and is my 11th house cusp. I’ve an intercepted Aries Sun/Venus in the 11th and let me tell you I am SO ready for Dr. Chiron to get into Aries. Chiron’s transit through Pisces, hitting up my Mercury and Jupiter, has had so many ups and downs for me. I tended to stick with what people told me I was good at, because if people thought I was good then it actually meant I was good. Cue 7 year long existential career crisis. What’s been annoying about it is I’ve felt… Read more »

leotaurusscorpMM Member
leotaurusscorp

ovid was a pisces – this makes so much sense! david malouf’s ‘an imaginary life’ is one of my fave novels, exploring – fictionally – his exile from rome. read it as a teenager and the read lots of ovid asca grown-up. he is magical :’)

ElizMM Member
Eliz

new moon will be 3 degrees from my pisces moon while conjunct with chiron! my sun is in aries so chiron is heading straight for it. Not sure what to expect.

davidlMM Member
davidl

Yeah me too. I’ve got mercury, MC, SN, Sun in Aries. All 10th house. I personally don’t see Chiron as a negative influence. More a reminder. I had my return in 8th house aqua a few years ago and I looked closer at its cycles through my life. It’s definitely a thing. Aries lead our lives with our heads down bums up. We give power to the ideas we like, and try to make things happen. After the spark ignites us we combust to get the engine turning over. What gets us unstuck is we sometimes don’t look hard enough… Read more »

dizzarinaMM Member
dizzarina

Wow, that is profound. Thanks David

birdMM Member
bird

Thanks David, this is a really useful reminder.

JokermanMM Member
Jokerman

Lleyton Hewitt only had two weapons on court. His dogged pursuit of running every ball down and …….belief. No-one ‘beliefed’ their way to #1 like he did. For two years he subdued bigger and stronger players.

flowerchild
flowerchild

The new moon will be on my natal Chiron in Pisces, as well as I just had my Chiron return. So maybe this new moon will define or bookend this period for me so I can start the new era because I feel like I’m still in a holding pattern, either waiting to land or waiting to take off.. 2011 was a big turning point and start of big growth, getting out of my comfort zone, in my career in healthcare. Uranus has been transiting my 10th house all its time in Aries, my natal Chiron is in the 10th… Read more »

Aquasunrise
Aquasunrise

Yes Leo in 2nd indicates creativity and spontaneity and leadership. There could be ways in to more glamourous, playful and dramatic paths of income. The Mercury venus conjunction trine to this might give a few clues.

Thus retrograde cycle could be good for you. Which house transiting mars in Capricorn pas through? Would it be your 6th? Then I’d say that would signpost themes, business prospects around health yet relating to creativity.

flowerchild
flowerchild

I like this….makes me feel optimistic! Thanks!

Mars in Cap will start the transit in my 6th, yes, and then go into my 7th at 10 degrees, but I’ve got Venus at 6 degrees Cap in the 6th, so that should start it off nicely!
I like the idea of combining something related to health and creativity.

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