Ask Mystic: Smudging Out Dark, Druggie Energy

Hey Mystic!

I did a Google search about this and didn’t really find any answers I trusted: Have you ever gotten sick after a house cleanse? 

Having found out he was sleeping behind bins in Edinburgh, I did a fellow grad student a favour. I told him he could sleep on my couch for a few days to get his shit together. I knew he was a problem child, but didn’t realize to what degree. He had an alcohol withdrawal seizure within 24 hours of staying here. While the paramedics were questioning him, I learned he has a whole host of alcohol-related problems for one of which he is prescribed morphine, etc. He was here a few days after getting released from hospital and it was a bit of a nerve-wracking time. I kind of kept seeing him on the floor in the seizure, etc. Very freaky. 

SO as you can imagine, after he left, I washed EVERYTHING in the room, sprinkled salt with lemon and cypress everywhere and let it sit for a day. Then I vacuumed it up and smudged with the Mugwort. I free-styled a rhyming chant about how the negative and quite frankly unstable energy needed to float out the open window. This was my house and so therefore anything other than my energy and safe space vibes were not welcome. 

Ten minutes later I was throwing up in the toilet; I did smoke cigarettes last night and has been feeling a tad nauseous in the morning b/c of that but I’d taken a shower post-vacuum and was feeling completely fine when I went to do the smudge. WTF? Have you heard of this happening? Like, would the energy have attached to me? Did I piss off some ghost that I didn’t know I have in my house? I have smudged and cleansed before in a very similar manner (last on the full moon on NYE) and never felt sick. 

Wondering if I should get a Reiki Master in here or something,

She-Rat

Dear She-Rat,

Your question interests me even more than usual as i am working on my new House Witchery book.  So first of all, your situation sounds totally Eclipse Zoned, sad and stressful.   It makes me think of Clare Booth Luce’s wry comment; no good deed goes unpunished.

And yes, people with severe addiction issues are classically more open to earth-bound entities and auric leakage. They are also obviously more prone to the obvious scenarios that lead to frequent engagement with Mars-Saturn energy in the form of police, paramedics etc.  So it is quite likely that such a scenario left an etheric shitty trail through your lair.  It also feels kind of fateful – as in he could have had the seizure in the street, with no help readily available, and suffered worse consequences. So your intervention was a part of a broader story. It would fit the recent Mars-Neptune square…for both of you.

Anyway, if serious ghost-entity busting is required, definitely call in a druid, Feng Shui person or energy practitioner.  My Feng Shui woman is excellent and works all over the world via the marvels of Google Earth. However, you did heaps and your intentions were good – though this must have bought up a lot of depth, Pluto-style emotions for you.

House Witching

BUT i have two theories here:

Theory 1:  That you did such a good job cleansing the vibe that your body-soul-mind complex is now revolting against anything toxic, such as smoking. You’ve forced some style of etheric detox via the Mugwort.

Remember that this is THE most powerful magical herb of all. It’s also Thuja, beloved as an antidote in homeopathy and the universally used Moxa of Traditional Chinese Medicine.  “Mugwort” was a name invented to throw witch-hunters and Pagan-persecutors off the trail because it’s real name: Artemesia – or herb of Artemis sounded just too damn magic. So if you go waving that around the joint – especially after a Qi spike like your friends meltdown – albeit a negative one – you will shift some energy.

Theory 2: I am not au fair with the astrology of this situation as such or of your transits at the time but look to those —- is there some kind of weird lesson here (l am feeling a Saturn square something personal here) around your nurturing impulses and proper use of them or boundaries being breached via you over-valuing the role of being the “kind” one? What IS the lesson here? Once you have ascertained that, energy seems to lift. Especially with Saturn in Capricorn. It’s like juggling with boulders.

I think you’ve done a brilliant space clear and that now you could just think about the above two theories AND play either some Tibetan chants – Green Tara if you like Buddhist energy or – my fave – the Elemental Chant.  It’s kind of eerie old geomancy magic – and once you know the lyrics  – they’re pretty easy to chant yourself: The Earth, the Air, the Fire, the Water, Return, Return, Return, Return…

What does everyone else think?

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TripleL
TripleL

My Virgo (1st H Pluto) son is an alcoholic/addict, recently released from incarceration & has returned home. Have been cleaning, clearing, de-cluttering like a mofo, but still having the most awful dreams of overflowing toilets, feces-laden rooms with stagnant water, generally turds on parade.

WTS? Lol. Guess I still have much to process.

Pegasus
Pegasus

What an amazingly knowledgeable group here. Am in awe.Wise Women Healers indeed.

emg
emg

It is utterly fabulous to be able to talk this way, to express freely and read such insightful stuff. I am about to leave my licensed profession because frankly I cannot cope with the thought police and lie to my patients about my work. Ive been deeply unhappy with this for the past ten years and now I think the time has come. I aim to break out and be the therapist that I am. It feels like finally throwing off a straight jacket.

Pegasus
Pegasus

A suggestion if you want an inexpensive house cleanse smudging is to use bunches of rosemary which grows everywhere. Just heat an iron skillet/frypan and put a mass of it in, once it smokes can carry it thro’ the house or dwelling.

SheRat
SheRat

Yep, this: This is exactly what I’ll be doing when I return from holiday. Thanks, Pegasus!

Rita
Rita

I had similar experiences cleasing just with praying so maybe it was not the herbs. It was scary at the time because I was not expecting! I guess you cleared out some yucky energy not only in the environment but in yourself!

Kittybat
Kittybat

This was all such an interesting read, thanks everyone!

fishgirl
fishgirl

This post and the comments are fantastic. So so helpful..

flowerchild
flowerchild

I forgot to say….I love chanting the Elements, too! My favorite is – ‘Earth my body, Water my blood, Air my breath, and Fire my spirit…’ over and over….very centering, bringing it all home to yourself.. 🙂

Sim oneness
Sim oneness

What a fascinating discussion, thank you all

Lux Interior Is My Co-Pilot
Lux Interior Is My Co-Pilot

As an extreme empath, I get it.

It’s like you took on their crap during the cleansing and then cleansed it from YOUR system=hence the detox symptoms.

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

Agreed. You were right there in the time and place noone else could have been. You had medical services at your home, you knew how to cleanse energies, and you had your man there. You have a Reiki healer, and you have Mystic with some wise commenters. You have more support than the person you helped out. Even if you did not know all this going in, you and your guy who felt shivers ploughed in and gave a hand up from … wherever… for this poor soul. So you followed your instinct and did a cleanse and it wasn’t… Read more »

SheRat
SheRat

milleunanotte: That song is really interesting, what a contrast between the sound vs. the lyrics. I suspect the you’ve sussed it; these lyrics are, I think, very pertinent to this young man. Thanks so much for the kind words. I found out my BF is more kind and generous and calm in a crisis than I had thought, and it seems like I just needed to not use Mugwort but Rosemary and Frankincense instead (the arguments about that make perfect sense), both of which I love, actually, so another cleanse in a week will hopefully really kick out the sour… Read more »

SheRat
SheRat

For the astro (’cause, like, this is an astro site!): The sun was within one degree of my natal Saturn at the time of the seizure, Mystic, and Merc was exact my Saturn, which is in 8th house Taurus. Is this some weird version of other people’s money? LOL! Someone suggested a Chiron aspect: Chiron was exactly three degrees from my Jup in Saggo? Let’s also not forget that Uranus has been going over my Mars for the last year like a thumb over a raw nipple… Pluto, thankfully, leaving a direct square with my Uranus/Moon conj. in Libra….but still… Read more »

Herb
Herb

I’m very curious to know how Algol (26º Taurus) lies in your natal chart, SheRat; and if it was being transited on those dates. It’s just that whenever alcohol related blow-ups happen I tend to think of Algol – The Head of Gorgo Medusa (hello) which derives from Al Ghoul (in Arabic) which means evil spirit or demon. And from which the word “alcohol” derives. Algol rules diamond, black hellebore (one of the ingredients of the “flying ointment”) And MUGWORT…. so I’m really curious because as you can see there are links here. Also, those with a prominent Algol in… Read more »

WaterGem
WaterGem

Thanks for this info re Algol! You have inspired me to go on a bit of an Algol bingle. My natal NN is conjunct Algol and my Chiron sextile.

Also worth noting that everyone is currently experiencing a bit of Chiron-Algol as Chiron is sextile Algol right now. (I know this because I’m having a Chiron return which has made me very, very clear on where Chiron is transitting).

emg
emg

My NN is in a 3 degree orb of Algol In my 2nd. Needles to say my financial world has been a rollercoaster

flowerchild
flowerchild

Interesting! I have natal Chiron at 26 Pisces, which would be sextile Algol, and I am of course having my Chiron return, too.

Also interesting – an ex of mine has natal Chiron exact conjunct Algol, at 26 Taurus. I wonder what that means for him? Sounds heavy!

SheRat
SheRat

Yikes, that does sound heavy!

Chiron just left my Venus (and is headed right towards my natal Chiron! YAY!) so I guess Algol is sextile my Venus.

SheRat
SheRat

Wow, Herb. So Algol is three degrees from my natal Saturn in Taurus. I’m not sure if that’s prominent, but I have Pluto Rising, so that sounds like the Rosenberg quote also. Natally, there’s the Saturn thing and a sextile with Venus.

In transit, there was some planetary squaring action over in late Aqua, with transiting Sun, Merc and Juno in the late 20s of Aqua, that afternoon. Though I’ve probably missed something. I’m a newbie.

SheRat
SheRat

Hey thanks everyone! I’ve learned a lot from all your replies! I know a Reiki therapist in my ‘hood so I think I’ll just take LV’s suggestion and do it again with more appropriate materials (I think my OCD demands it) AND ask her to swing by. I’ll talk with her too about strategy. Just for peace of mind, right? ‘Twas weird, and my intuition is that either this guy has untapped powerful energy that he dropped or he’s been infiltrated by such. Either way, I would rather be safe than sorry and maybe I fucked with something beyond my… Read more »

Pegasus
Pegasus

The adage the road to hell is paved with good intentions is same as no good deed goes unpunished. Yes i believe you can throw up as in throw out a person’s nasty energy as Diypixie says above. Your body rejects their auric energy as toxic to your wellbeing. Be careful who you allow into your home as it is your other body. Compassion for our fellow humans can bring trouble at times alas, save it for the animal world. Believe now that everyone has their own journey and karma for a reason and not to be interfered with. If… Read more »

flowerchild
flowerchild

“Be careful who you allow into your home as it is your other body.” Oh man, this! So true, and something I need to remember every day. Thank you for putting it into words this way, Pegasus! 🙂

SheRat
SheRat

I’m not really sure where I whinged or acted helpless or victimized in my email. It was just a question and at no time did I even express even regret at helping this person out.

Pegasus
Pegasus

Darling SheRat no criticism at all, that has been my own personal experience and what i have gathered over the many decades of my life.
Am sure we have all experienced compassion (co-passion) backfiring on us as just part of life and loving.
Better to be loving and hurt than hard and isolated.x

SheRat
SheRat

Thanks, Pegasus, it’s all good, though I did want to clarify! I knew there were risks, and I weighed not doing anything and couldn’t live with that course of action.

I agree–it’s the scraped knees that make us who we are and from which we learn. This was a good one–now I know more precisely when mugwort is appropriate and what to use if I ever have another type of boundary violation again.

emg
emg

I’m with you Pegasus. As crap as another’s journey can seem I too believe it is theirs and theirs alone. You could put this person in a palace but they’d still be in the same place.

Syrena
Syrena

This also sounds to me like cumulative stress and anxiety boiling over once the whole ordeal was done. (Smoking probably didn’t help that, either, much for the same reasons coffee wouldn’t.) I’ve fallen seriously ill before, following situations very similar to this.

I do think it might be a good idea to do some serious clearing/cleansing, though. Enlisting the help of a professional might help things really clear up, since it seems like there might be the need to clear yourself of the lingering energy, as well as your space.

flowerchild
flowerchild

WOW! What a heavy experience, She-rat! I imagine the stress-overload of close-up observing someone suffering on that level and going through such a difficult transition, themselves, could make you sick on the physical level, although sounds like you probably purged a lot of stuff from every level, from the physical to the etheric. Great instincts to have immediately cleared your space! Aren’t you an Aquarius Sun, too? I imagine the eclipses just past could figure in prominently in that case. I am constantly clearing my apartment with sage and palo santo. Would be interesting to see what a mugwort clearing… Read more »

SheRat
SheRat

Whoa, flowerchild, yep! I’m an Aqua and the eclipse was between my sun and NN/merc. i didn’t plan it this way—I had offered my help way back in Jan. Do you live in SF? Sounds like you live in the Tenderloin? I lived there for 20 years…if this guy had told me he’d been on the piss for the last five months, I’d have had a little more perspective/less surprise on how to deal with it. As it is, being a TL person, this weren’t my first rodeo and I had all my valuables with our classmate upstairs. He literally… Read more »

flowerchild
flowerchild

It sounds like the whole thing started in ‘orb’ of the coming eclipse end of Jan, even if it didn’t happen on the eclipse, so especially as an Aqua, it probably had a role. Yep, I live in SF. Live in a janky part of the Mission and worked in public health in the Tenderloin for five years. I’ve been in the Bay 30+ years, so I have seen the shifting around of neighborhood vibes but, honestly, the dynamics of the areas where I work and live haven’t changed that much under the surface even if on the surface they… Read more »

Pegasus
Pegasus

San Fransicso *sigh* so wanted to be there with a flower in my hair.

flowerchild
flowerchild

Yes, that would have been the time to be here! Summer of Love and all that..
Now it’s not like that at all anymore, maybe just around the edges, and even that is being edged out.

SheRat
SheRat

I miss Essef. I sometimes call myself a San Francisco refugee. Can’t go home–it doesn’t exist anymore!

I know your ‘hood very well, flowerchild; my dearly departed BFF lived on Camp street for more than a decade (“Dirty Camp” to those in the know!). You can still see a bit of old SF at Amnesia on Weds., my friends play old-time rock and blues there from 6 – 8.

flowerchild
flowerchild

Ha! I live near there and have been to that gig at Amnesia….I like the Monday bluegrass nights there, too! When I first moved here there were a bunch of shootings around Camp and Albion, then the violence migrated to right in front of our place! Ugh! Yeah, there is some very dark energy around here. You’ve really got to be salt-of-the-earth to handle it. I don’t have the constitution for it, which bears out in my astro chart, too. I am a ‘highly sensitive person’ type – nervous system can’t take it, but I’ll be living here awhile longer…… Read more »

SheRat
SheRat

One of the great, lady impresarios of Mission musicians, Annie Sothworth, died last week after a battle with cancer. She first booked me in her club “The Rite Spot” and got us better gigs after that, eventually putting us on the same bill as the man who would become my husband (I’m a widower). It really is painful to hear of these passings and crumblings from so far away. The Rite Spot will now go under, etc., etc. Annie introduced me to my best musician friends ever–like the guys at Amnesia! Maybe next time I go, I’ll bring some mugwort… Read more »

flowerchild
flowerchild

Oh! Sorry to hear of your friend’s passing!
🙁
I hope if you ever visit here again it isn’t too sad for you with past memories….

dizzarina
dizzarina

So sorry to hear of Annie’s passing… you are not going to believe this, but I used to tend bar at both the Rite Spot, and Amnesia! This was 20 years ago. The Rite Spot in particular holds a very special place in my heart, roaches and all. I’m sorry to hear it will go under.

And I know what you mean about being a refugee. I’m in Portland and have family in SF, so I’m down there once a year… I don’t recognize it anymore.

SheRat
SheRat

If that’s the case, dizzarina, we probably know each other and/or a lot of the same people.

Oneirix
Oneirix

YES a house witchery book!! I am so stoked. <3

PlutoMoon
PlutoMoon

YAAASSSSS 😀

fishgirl
fishgirl

me too!!!

MissDee
MissDee

I will take the time to read all comments. I promise.
Meanwhile: in traditional medicine, vomit is what the human body uses as a self medicating system, to try and eliminate what caused the intoxication.
So if I were you She-Rat I’d think that, while cleaning the house, maybe some muggle vibe had tried to influence me, but then my body rejected it so I am free of the muggle vibe.

Ezhirri
Ezhirri

Smells like a Chiron aspect to me.

EarthAngel
EarthAngel

She cannon stomach what she experienced and refuses to process it the regular way, as in out through the bowels, so it’s coming out the other way. Such an intense cleanse could have definitely jumpstarted this. Might have needed a good cry amongst all that cleaning.

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

Small intestine processes some toxins into the system so things that should not even get that far come out by reverse peristalsis.

Not so much a (stubborn) “refusal” to process someone else’s toxins. More like an organic protection of the system. Just as natural and regular as anything else. The system has more than one way to process, especially if it’s not your shit to process.

LiberatingVenus
LiberatingVenus

Ugh, a drunk crashing on your couch during Pisces season virtually = astro-cliché – remember to mind the planets, especially when considering something like this during a stellium in Pisces. You felt compassion for him, which is understandable, but it wound up biting you in the ass which is so typical of Pisces. In the future be sure to get your “warm fuzzy feels” from something that doesn’t give off warning signs, because if you knew he was a problem child from go that is your cue to listen to your intuition. IMO Mugwort was not the application for this… Read more »

PlutoMoon
PlutoMoon

Yes, love this. Yang to drive it out, not yin to bring it in. Sage is usually my go-to, but I need to find some cedar as I love that scent/energy. Another thing to try in lieu of stirring up the qi too much again would be burning a blend of essential oils in a diffuser that could be a grounding and calming blend – my personal favorite right now is a blend of frankincense, rose absolute, sandalwood, bergamot, and patchouli, with two drops of Rock Rose Bach Flower remedy (I can post the exact amounts/recipe if anyone is interested)… Read more »

Herb
Herb

Love what you say about the herbs LV, and I agree with you, I would not use mugwort as a cleanser or banisher either. It can actually bring on epilepsy to those who are prone (it’s main use in homeopathy) and headaches; and I’m sure that She-Rat’s vomiting was caused by the liberal burning of it while already in a heightened state. Not a great combination. I hope you’re OK now, She-Rat. I would like to add Rosemary to your (LV) list of protective and banishing herbs to smudge with. No one ever mentions rosemary, yet it is one of… Read more »

SheRat
SheRat

{facepalm} I keep rosemary oil and dried as well…ugh…

Herb
Herb

Haha! well now you know 🙂
All you need is to sprinkle some dried rosemary on an incense coal – and voila – a refreshing aromatic, cleansing and fortifying smudge.

fishgirl
fishgirl

This is so interesting, I used to always smell rosemary to cheer up after talking to a depressed friend!

Pi
Pi

lovely.
It grows in front yards – often alongside lovely sticky lavender bushes – I often smush a fistful of leaves on my way past and then inhaaaaallleeee
soo good.
our little dog used to brush under the rosemary growing in our garden, and when i picked him up he smelt like a herb garden 🙂 🙂 <3

Pegasus
Pegasus

Herb Voila! Just mentioned rosemary below!

SheRat
SheRat

FTR: I don’t get warm and fuzzies taking such chances. I do it, when I do it, becuase it’s the right thing to do and then I brace myself. There’s always blowback when you are kind to someone whom kindness is as rare as a Saturn Return. I’m not sure I victimized myself in my post… Having said that, your advice rings true: There was a fuck up. As I was vomiting, I felt almost as if his energy was attacking me for telling it to leave. I am leaving the country for the weekend, but will head straight to… Read more »

Rita
Rita

Oh that part of feeling attacked is really important! Some years ago my then boyfriend came to my house and we got back together. We had a great night and a great day then (as usual but at the time I was blind) he picked up a fight and threat to leave. I said he leaving like that I would never have him back. He left. I was really anchored in my decision and strong about it which I never was before (I always wanted to help him! He has alcohol and cocaine issues). The next day I was SO… Read more »

Alouetta
Alouetta

Tbh this sounds like anxiety-induced nausea (plus cigarettes and zealous smudging). Time for a massage and a debrief with the gfs.

Pi
Pi

hmmm. good point. peak stress can send or bods over the edge

LotusFlower
LotusFlower

This post and the comments really interesting, thank you for this. During this last eclipse season I tried working a couple of simple banishing / protection spell-rituals to help move things along and out during the dark moon phase. It felt powerful and clear. Within 24 hours of the aquarius new moon eclipse I got sudden strong bowel movements to the extent that i suspected food poisoning. It was over within a few hours but my body really appreciated the rest in bed that weekend to catch up and assimilate. Then last week it returned, though just briefly, exactly as… Read more »

fishgirl
fishgirl

Different situation but i have had the same eclipse sad/square/challenging thing too.
I think vomiting is a good thing – your body knows when to get rid of toxins. It’s a bit violent but shows you’re in good shape.
Reading all of this for housewitchery tips after my traumatic eclipse visit. x

Jacqui
Jacqui

we had “the house guest from hell” in our neighbourhood. And yes everyone felt the need to scrub and air their houses just to feel relaxed and settled again

S
S

Fascinating topic. During various times in my life I have been overcome with the drug states of other people, to the point that I have felt the drug experience personally. I don’t need to be next to the person physically to experience it happening. It sounds crazy, especially when I haven’t ingested any of the drugs. It has even sent me to hospitals seeking help. I have interpreted this altered state to mean that I have a strong compassion and empathy for those in addiction, as I have a biological father who suffers from addictions. It can be quite difficult… Read more »

Scorpio_Rising
Scorpio_Rising

I’ve experienced this also.
I never understood how or why. I no longer question it but it’s intense.
I save a lot of money from buying booze though. 😉

S
S

Yes SR it’s very intense. It seems to be very specific, injecting drug users. I’ve pin pointed the substances to be heroin, methadone and cocaine (speedball). I suspect that one or a combination of these substances was given to me when I was attacked in my teens. This is a traumatic memory I’ve been raising to my consciousness, only recently accepting its existence. The depths of my black hole consciousness has been tricky to navigate. This is the big black hole that sent me to hospital some years back. I’ll always be thankful for this community for being there for… Read more »

Pegasus
Pegasus

Back in the days S it was called a ‘contact high’ but it was only weed in those innocent times. Glad you came out of that dark place you were in and it made you stronger and wiser. x

S
S

Thank you Pegasus for your comments, I hold them dear to my heart.
I still use that term contact high.
My aim is to feel stronger and wiser. x

bird
bird

And the clearing sounded thorough and powerful, She-Rat. The only thing that could undermine it would your doubt about the power of your magic. xxx

bird
bird

I never knew Thuja and Mugwort are the same thing!!!!!!! This is SUCH a revelation for me. Kent lists this as one of the mental symptoms in his Materia Medica: “Fixed ideas: as if a strange person were at his side; as if the soul were separated from the body; as if the body, esp. the limbs, were of glass and would break easily; as if a living animal were in the abdomen…” Of course! It’s such an elegant fit. This is fascinating. Thank you Mystic and She-Rat. By the way, Thuja symptoms include vomiting of mucous, so perhaps it… Read more »

bird
bird

Oh!!! And Kent lists “tobacco” as one of the causative factors that can trigger Thuja symptoms. She-Rat, maybe you just need a dose of Thuja.

Herb
Herb

Thuja (a coniferous tree) and Mugwort/Artemesia vulgaris are NOT the same!

Both are used in homeopathy. Don’t have time to explain differences – (do google) but definitely not the same.

This is probably why you never knew they were the same plant 🙂

Love homeopathy – it is like magic – it helped me so much when conventional doctors just didn’t have a clue – one pill is all it took to cure me of chronic & debilitating pain I had suffered for 10 yrs. So I became hooked and studied it.

LiberatingVenus
LiberatingVenus

I garden and have known Thuja to be a species of arborvitae; a compact tree in the cedar family –
at least that’s what they are in The States. Mugwort (Artemisia) is something entirely different; a silvery plant sometimes known as “dusty miller” that is a favorite in gardens around here. It’s a perennial and I love the “silver mound” variety in particular, which has a texture like chenille when you brush your hand over it – so soft and beautiful!

Scorpio_Rising
Scorpio_Rising

fascinating

astraeagold
astraeagold

NOT the sane. Thuja is Thuja occidentalis also known as American arborvitae/Northern white cedar. Mugwort is Artemesia vulgaris. Different plants.

astraeagold
astraeagold

same

bird
bird

I’d actually like to point out that I shouldn’t have offered homeopathic advice the way I did. It was irresponsible of me, and disrespectful of the craft. A homeopath worth their salt would never do that.

(Shame wash…working on it…)

Sorry people. Lesson learnt.

Herb
Herb

Whoa! I for one, am grateful for your curiosity and great “brain dump” – there’s much to learn from brain dumps … and if you hadn’t then this whole discussion and learning would not have happened!

bird
bird

Thanks Herb, I really appreciate that. And, like you, I also had a moment when Mystic mentioned she thought she might be Lachesis. Absolute classic!

flowerchild
flowerchild

Sorry, a bit late to this discussion…. Thujone is a GABA inhibitor, and low GABA can create more experience of anxiety mentally/emotionally, and muscle spasms or even convulsions, physically, so maybe energetically that was what was happening to make you vomit, even though you didn’t internally ingest it. Mugwort is an artemisia, the same family as wormwood which is what absinthe is made out of. To me, then, this herb class would be more Neptunian…..creating hallucinations, powerful dreams…….and something Neptunian would maybe not have been the best choice to drive out a Neptunian person’s (alcoholic) energy? Maybe pick an herb… Read more »

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

She certainly DID ingest it, and the most Neptunian way: fumes.

They say Neptune rules gaseous states (…PLEASE no puns!)

From the nose STRAIGHT into the brain.

Arianrhod
Arianrhod

I practice Spirit Releasement/Depossession and took hypnosis training specifically for this…Spirit Attachments are VERY common, many types much like cold or flu viruses of the soul, and drug and alcohol users typically have many layers of attachments, plus, loss of consciousness is also a good way to get an entity attachment, so he brought some in. When doing Spirit Release it is common to purge either by vomiting or evacuating bowels, or both. I have a story from when I was in my early 20s and just married and did what amounts to a Spirit Release on myself, not really… Read more »

Scorpio_Rising
Scorpio_Rising

I have sptrong reactions being around addicts also.
I take on their emotional pain and get physically ill. I have to limit my time with them even online.

Scorpio_Rising
Scorpio_Rising

I wish their was an edit button. Sorry for my clumsy typos.

PlutoMoon
PlutoMoon

Yeah, I have strong physical empathy as well. I can’t even be around sick people (colds, flu) as I will easily catch what they have simply from “feeling what they feel.” It’s like my body invites the sickness in via sympathy. Drunks – hell no, strong revulsion to alcoholics, same with druggies but with those I feel some kind of understanding as the Neptune undertow with them is soft and numb. But drunks, yeah, that’s vomit-inducing. She-Rat probably unconsciously picked up (via physical empathy) and then held in all the toxicity she picked up from him – because there was… Read more »

Rita
Rita

Hi Arianrhod! Could you share some resources on the topic like websites or books? Thanks!

diypixie
diypixie

Wow. This gives a new perspective on a similar situation I was in where I’m fairly certain (and have had practitioners confirm (?) as such) I agreed to take on someone’s “stuff” who was in withdrawal…if all happened in a half awake Shamanic dream state and I fell fast asleep to a bizarre intense dream then woke suddenly screaming and began literally dry heaving his life into the corner. Welp, that was a lot to share but yes…Mystic you’ve done it again. Thank you for this other perspective. I love the idea that intentions being so pure whatever wasn’t needed… Read more »

Libra Moon Conjunct Pluto
Libra Moon Conjunct Pluto

Yes, but they were lower grade like aches or maybe feeling a mass growing smaller and fading over a few days. In ny experience, the clearing ritual includes clearing the person doing it because their energies are attached to the action. I don’t always feel sickened afterward, but if I do, I acknowledge that those energies needed to be expelled like mucus or dead skin.

davidl
davidl

Yes to mucus overload being the culprit here. Histamine response leading to mucus production is a way the body protects itself from foreign nasties that have been breathed in. As an asthma sufferer with springtime allergies I know all about it. “ Once released from its granules, histamine produces many varied effects within the body, including the contraction of smooth muscle tissues of the lungs, uterus, and stomach; the dilation of blood vessels, which increases permeability and lowers blood pressure; the stimulation of gastric acid secretion in the stomach; … I think the chucking up here was actually a good… Read more »

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