Your Own Private Saturn

It may not be being spelt out as such but the major theme underlying all the Horoscopes over the next eleven days is these last days of Saturn in Sagittarius – until 2044.

That’s right. The next time Saturn gets into Sagittarius, it will be square Pluto in Pisces.

So i think we can all agree to cross that particular bridge when we come to it and that Saturn will a lot more functional/happy in his own home constellation of Capricorn in a few days.

In the meantime, this Mercury Retro is a piece of work. Think a la the Messenger God bearing communiques from the entire past cycle of Saturn – since the late 80s in some cases – via cryptic omens, savage nostalgic flashes and the usual Saturn patented combo of unexpected dental-tax-utility-vet type expenses or stress.

Mercury Retro in Sagittarius is all about raw, authentic candour and the Saturn involvement makes the core themes things we would usually prefer to contemplate with a degree of pink-cloud consciousness or jovial upbeat vibe.  Anxiety re time, money, status and body are all Saturn turf.

But, as always, the antidote to Saturn is IRON – pumping it or reinforcing your attitude with an iron-like stance toward the crap that would weight you down or crush your joy and self-concept.  And second tier Saturn management; a Plan. Devise the attack plan and go for it.  Mars into Scorpio in just a few hours will help.

I have Saturn square my  Sun for 18 more hours – and yes, this is the sort of transit you count down. And i just downloaded a Cold Shower Therapy app. It’s Saturn Central over here.

 

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Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

As we close out Saturn in Sagittarius I think back to when Saturn started making it’s mark. I thought it started for me back in 2009. My life was thrown all around and placed into a path I never expected… I found peace after moving to a different state 1000 miles away from my hometown. The best decision I ever made. What triggered this life change was a health concern. I met the devil and then I ran to God. I gave my life to God and my life changed. Right now and it honestly started may December 2016 that… Read more »

Sankt Freundin
Sankt Freundin

Okay, first things first. No cold showers for me. I’m okay with taking a hot shower and after that rinsing off conditioner and my body with cold water OR having a hot sauna and after that rolling in the snow, but just a cold shower… Brr. Secondly, I have really been getting the Saturn in Capricorn Feels. As a natal Saturn in 2nd house, my Saturn Feels usually concern DYING, losing my house, losing all my money etc. I just have this horrible feeling that something bad is going to happen. Anyways, yesterday I bumbed again to a metallic bracelet… Read more »

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Sankt, I honestly feel the same way. I have Saturn in my 3rd house transiting. Saturn natal placement is in my 5th house. (Yay me) But 2017 has been horrible for me health wise and I want to say that once Saturn leaves Sagittarius that things will get better.

I wish understanding astrology was easier for me.

quadrupled
quadrupled

Fantastic comments. I have yet to decipher my status. I am crawling back to light.

dark star
dark star

To chime in base level effect= inner life/emotions/day to day become more saturine but as a cap moon this is probably simpatico with your normal vibe. Growth for your inner life

My Pisces moon has been squared by Saturn for a while yup lots of inner work bc the two are not totally in line. But worth it!

kditch@westnet.com.au
kditch@westnet.com.au

HI Mystic,
I have a question with Saturn in Capricorn, which is in my moon sign, I basically understand the effects of Saturn in your sun and rising signs . What Is the effect when Saturn arrives s in your moon sign is as strong effect on your life ?
Kris Scorpio sun Leo rising Cap moon

Jokerman
Jokerman

I am so bloody punch-drunk with oppositional outer-planet transits. l feel apprehensive with Sat return (2°) and then over my 8°53 Dsc. Take the little party of the Malefics next March/April. Pluto separating fr my Dsc but applying opp my Sun for like a bloody decade. And Mars will join Saturn right on top of my Dsc; Xactly on top. This is the house where my aching Moon lives. Likelihood of me getting a partner; lower than bloody Kelvin (-273°C) I knew nothing of the Astro back in Feb/Mar 2008 but getting the Cap-Super-Bitch fr Hades as my alleged supervisor… Read more »

S
S

As always your words resonate with me. Not sure where to find the answers either. I sense having Chiron, Mars and Venus in the china shop of el toro in the third, could explain a few things. Know that something is up and trying not to loose my mind. This is the countdown for a very difficult time for me. The thing I am learning the most about my nervous breakdown history is it’s the ultimate rejection, much bigger than any failed love to provide sanctuary for my heart. This year has been sign posted with references to 2002 the… Read more »

Jokerman
Jokerman

I’ll dedicate my next coffee to you.
Cancers empathising together…..who’da thunk?

S
S

Thank you PF.
There is a psychological term for this. I’ve came across it in The Body Keeps The Score by Bessel Van Der Kolk.

bird
bird

I just bought that book!

Jokerman
Jokerman

Yes. That struck a chord / accord with me too. I am getting it as well. Cheap enough too. So much hurt out there from ppl who trample over others.

R(Aqua/Tauri)
R(Aqua/Tauri)

Hey, if you are interested in that book also check out the TRE Exercises. It’s basically releasing the psoas and other muscles through neurogenic tremoring. Helped me a lot. Not the whole solution but helped.

Pi
Pi

Pf, my outspoken 2 cents. Back to basics kiddo. I am thinking of the astro rule, to get something out of a transit through a house, work on the opposite house. That means your first house. You. How you do, what you do, how you conduct yourself. Forget the quest for a partner. If you’re this much of a mess as you say, work on sorting out your own things. Women will always exist and having a partner will certainly not solve your current personal problems, although it might be a pleasant distraction. Of course introducing yourself to a pretty… Read more »

S
S

Wise words dearest Pi x

Pi
Pi

dunno S

S
S

@ Pi I recontextualised what you said to mean; your often too close to the action of your own life, you can become exhausted through seeking to understand why things are indeed the way they are. There is an enormous amount of shame and guilt that encompasses trauma (especially early childhood trauma). It has shaped so much of my existence and colours my world. Even in the deepest of my darkest moments I try and see a different colour, just shift it a little. I could never find myself with someone in any sort of relationship that hasn’t lived a… Read more »

Pi
Pi

Hey, the first bit of what you said I think. Yeah.
Although I know our comments here can never quite reflect the situ and I get that it can be irritating if someone misreads us so I thought maybe I was being a bit enthusiastic in my reply to pf. Thank u s.

Jokerman
Jokerman

I understand you 2nd guessing but, no, put it all out on the table. I’ve gotta look at everything in the eye; even the unpalatable. My 9th is Pisces; I’d be stupid not to listen….and take it on board; fixed tho I am.

Jokerman
Jokerman

I appreciate your words of encouragement. However, there’s always a but, l am so sick of working on myself. I do fitness things and I’m walking heaps. Trying to complete my Van (no $s). I’m reading up on being a better man even tho my former says I’m a good bloke. I support my daughter and her daughters selflessly. I truly am sick of working on myself. I really don’t know what else to do. Have the Beehive shifted 50mts to the North? Pluto opp ya Asc then ya Sun at the same time as Nep opp ya Mars /… Read more »

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

I hear you about the endless working on yourself, when you’ve got strong external grinding, ever grinding, and ever making you feel keenly like you are a shit. And in your case, even feeling like you must have been one in the past! You just never feel like you can do enough, or be enough. Big weary sigh! One thing, though, if this helps at all, is that I’ve had little glimmers of letting myself just be myself, just feel however i feel, and even to the point of expressing it in poorly worded ways, or believing i’ve clarified my… Read more »

Jokerman
Jokerman

Thanks to you MN. Yes l can hear you come from the same ‘country’, maybe another state/province, but def the same country. I couldn’t sleep last night with a full blown Court case going on in my head with S’s, Pi’s & your words.

Pi
Pi

I don’t know, maybe there’s nothing else you can do. Enjoy walking, and breathing air, and eating nice food, and your pleasant relationship with your ex, and your kid. Enjoy fixing your van, or not, and being freed from an injustice by the magistrate, and living in a free country, and living through your youth to become older and wiser. Trust that you do a good job in life and are growing thru trying to understand your personal history and the ripples it leaves today. Enjoy waking up in the morning, and your first cup of coffee. Enjoy that you… Read more »

bird
bird

This is lovely. xxx

Jokerman
Jokerman

Written by my Astro Doppelganger. Born on my birthdate AND the same Moon as me. Sort of says it all Pi. I wished l was as good-looking and could sing like him. “Well I left my happy home To see what I could find out I left my folk and friends With the aim to clear my mind out Well I hit the rowdy road And many kinds I met there And many stories told me on the way to get there So on and on I go, the seconds tick the time out So much left to know, and… Read more »

flowerchild
flowerchild

Cat Stevens! Love his music.

My heart goes out to you PF! As many have said, we support and appreciate you here. I really appreciate your humor, too, and your puns. Humor is healing — maybe use some of that medicine on yourself right now, even if not directly on the situation you’re facing, but in other ways.

Also, what Starbaies said I think is key – that our astro is not 100% deterministic. You have facility and self-efficacy. It’s hard to remember that when the chips are down, though, I understand.

R(Aqua/Tauri)
R(Aqua/Tauri)

Agree with Ali, you have such a beautiful way of saying things while also being direct and having a message. <3 <3 <3

Pi
Pi

also thank you for being nice about girls even as a kid.

dark star
dark star

Yes, it’s v rare

Jokerman
Jokerman

Idk why lotsa blokes find it so hard. I know having a 70% Yin chart helps.

Pi
Pi

and lastly i’m sorry you’re feeling this way. the drudgery of ‘now what’ is never appealing. nothing stays the same forever tho. That i am sure of. thank the mutables 😉
pi x

bird
bird

Your comments and responses always resonate with deep wisdom and compassion, Pi. My best friend has Mercury in Pisces as well, and her communication style is very similar to yours. Thank you for your contributions.

Pi
Pi

That’s a very nice thing to say Ali x thank you

bird
bird

<3

Jokerman
Jokerman

That’s where my futility comes in; l guess.

Pi
Pi

I don’t get it.

R(Aqua/Tauri)
R(Aqua/Tauri)

“To get something out of a transit through a house, work on the opposite house.” Huh. I have not heard this so simply stated before. It is reminding me of this stuff I am learning about the body through the work of a guy named Vladimir Janda. If there is pain in a certain muscle and it is causing issues often you just need to strengthen the muscle that is the antagonist to get said muscle to release.

Starbaies
Starbaies

Hi PF, so a bit of storytime because I have something somewhat parallel I want to share with you. Ive been doing the Saturn grind and there have been some huge injustices Ive been awoken to that were happening to me, the depth of which I was previously unaware of. So a few weeks ago I had a watershed moment after a very stressful, aggravated, Why the Fuq is this Happening to me spiral. And later I found this tweet from someone that felt like it was a message for me: “You can literally do everything right, but the Universe… Read more »

Gemyogi
Gemyogi

wow. just wow. amazing answer.

Jokerman
Jokerman

This went thru my head. It helps in formulating some sense in all of this. Ta Starbaies.

Pi
Pi

Lots to absorb here! Thanks starbaies.

Starbaies
Starbaies

<3 y'all.

bird
bird

For what it’s worth pf, I’m sending you a big hug. xox

Jokerman
Jokerman

ThanX Ali.

Gemyogi
Gemyogi

We all feel hopeless sometimes and I’ve been in the dark hole a few times as well… sorry mate. But, you will get through it and things will get better. And you can choose whether to keep fighting for your life or give up, and giving up is never the right choice.

Jokerman
Jokerman

Ta Gy. You reminded me of this Barnesy song; “I heard about a person who had a broken heart With nothing to drive him on, no hope no spark no flame He could’nt see at all tears they were blinding him He kept it all inside, the guilt and all the pain You know I say I tried to warn him They had him backed up against the wall I hope I’m not too late No one can tell you exactly what you have gotta be You’ve got to stand your ground and fight to save your life It may… Read more »

Pi
Pi

zacly pf! You’re totes worth it.

Gemyogi
Gemyogi

Great lyrics right there xx

R(Aqua/Tauri)
R(Aqua/Tauri)

Ooooo this makes me kind of emotional! I was just sitting here about to get down to a weekend full of work and closing out projects reflecting on how I am actually really excited to do this even though the pay is shit etc. etc. I had my Saturn return a year ago and wow, there have been a LOT of changes. The main one being that I now use professional work/working on my “career”/brand as sort of a path for emotional/spiritual development and a way to manage anxiety and depression. For a lot of my 20s I would just… Read more »

Pi
Pi

Would you be willing to share a couple of the most useful and least complicated to use?

R(Aqua/Tauri)
R(Aqua/Tauri)

Sure! So I have sort of hacked the Wim Hof app to track 3 things: cold showers, breathing exercises in the morning, and my daily hour of myofascial release. You can find this one if you just google “Wim Hof app”, the developer on iTunes is listed as “Innerfire B.V.”. I consider these three things the basics of tending to my body enough to set myself up for a great day or at least a day I gave my all to and started off right. Wim has his own exercises but I use that tracker as my myofascial release tracker.… Read more »

R(Aqua/Tauri)
R(Aqua/Tauri)

OMG just realized you requested least complicated, sorry. “Streaks” is excellent! I could probably consolidate all but the cycle tracking app into Streaks if I wanted to, it’s really great.

flowerchild
flowerchild

It’s awesome you’ve been able to orchestrate all this and really make the apps work for you! I always think I’m going to get organized this way, but don’t really follow through. I always check my daily steps, though, that my phone logs. Kind of satisfying to see!

I was just listening to a podcast last night where someone mentioned the MyFLO cycle tracker. It looks interesting and even suggests which types of activity, work, exercise and nutrition are best for each phase of your cycle.

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

That’s interesting! I was just thinking earlier today that i could bite the bullet and use apps for tracking (Piscean me hates signing over my personal deets, so i’m still working on a compromise there.)

I am torn between getting anxious over the data, and maybe finding out the data is not so awful. Essentially, i want to know for sure if i’m doing what i think i’m doing!

(Early riser here who can also get spaced out or sidetracked in the mornings.)

R(Aqua/Tauri)
R(Aqua/Tauri)

And I have to give a second shoutout to Waze, I am still astounded that something as simple as punching a time 15 minutes earlier than I need to be at any location makes me early because it gives me a concrete time that I need to leave by. Seriously, I used to be chronically late just because I could not accurately track time in my head and it made me seem like a flake. For years I tried to explain that I was not intentionally not caring but it didn’t matter because I seemed like an inconsiderate asshole. Waze… Read more »

dark star
dark star

Oooo

escapist
escapist

I have had the shittiest past month. Pisces Sun 23 degrees. I think Chiron is on my face too right now. My saturn trauma was just given the perfect illustration when I looked at the picture you posted at the end of the article. I heard in my weary head ,” See that ball in the middle of that picture? That ball is you. Spinning and looking all beautiful . See those rings around that ball ? That’s the area you get to be awesome in. That’s all you get. So, if someone throws a rock at you and you… Read more »

Melodryad
Melodryad

I am right there with you, counting down the days of my Sun opposite Pluto transit which ends the day after Christmas (present from the universe). Even though Saturn is poised to oppose and square my cardinal everything, I am going to consider the absence of a decade plus of nigh continuous accelerated depth purge a win. I won’t have another inner planet Pluto transit for 26 more years.

Lindsey
Lindsey

Well you have it for 18 more hours Mystic – and it has probably passed by now – I have it conjunct my Sun AND my Uranus in my Chart. . .for LIFE! and it is currently conjunct my MC along with Mercury, opposite my 4th house, square my Neptune, and square my Asc. And yes, it kicked me in the gut hard just as Merc Retro entered its strongest period on 2 Dec/17. OUCH! And BTW, I had a very frugal, silent but stern father in childhood of whom I was terrified. So all of the myths of Saturn… Read more »

Virgonator
Virgonator

I’m a Gemini rising with Mercury in Libra and normally I am pretty tactful. I often don’t see the point in arguing over degrees of truth that are relative anyway, and I also hate it when everyone isn’t getting along. I’m also Virgo Sun, Venus, Mars, Aries Moon and Saturn and Uranus in Sagittarius. So a) this mercury Rx Saturn thing is hitting me hard, and b) I can certainly initiate a hissy fit over every small detail someone is managing less than perfectly when the mood strikes me. Which it hasn’t for a really long time. But suddenly these… Read more »

Virgonator
Virgonator

I also just graduated from school with a bunch of debt into a profession where getting your first job is really hard because the company loses a TON of money to train you. And I’m a single mother with two months of living expenses saved up. I graduated with high honors, despite a divorce, and took my (hard) licensing exam the first day I could without studying and passed. So everyone wants to give me all kinds of congratulations (which are beautiful and appreciated) and they want to hear about how great I feel. Except I don’t feel great. I… Read more »

VirgoStellium
VirgoStellium

(Hugs) Best of luck!

Virgonator
Virgonator

Thanks!

Melodryad
Melodryad

Congrats on your degree! I always consider anger a good sign. Part of you believes you have the ability and worthiness to get what you want enough that your trajectory is propelling you ferociously towards it.

Virgonator
Virgonator

I just wish I knew how to combine not doormatting with maintaining basic love and respect for others. Not a skill I’ve learned yet!

Centaurus
Centaurus

You have a plan. You just can’t see whether it’s going to manifest as you want it to and you’re now doubting it and yourself. Go back to – you have a plan! Hold that and some faith… I know it’s so easy to say in places like that so please don’t assume it to be said tritely or without empathy. Virgo is also initiation and bringing your vision (Leo) into your physical body. Leo is where we break out of the family dynamic and enter a world beyond the familial and home… Long forest hikes sound restorative. I need… Read more »

Virgonator
Virgonator

Thanks. 🙂

dark star
dark star

That house situation gave me a shiver, you have my sympathy! Re watermom: boundaries can be sidestepped by watery folk easily without thought. What she actually wants is alone time with you I’m sensing. Which might be an insane request given job hunting kids etc BUT I feel like you might get some calm from it. No trip needed just an afternoon or dinner?

skarab
skarab

I just had my Saturn/Saturn cycle explained via another subscriber (Melodryad). Of course as a Libra Rising who found my match during the 1st Saturn return to another Libra rising, it has to do with my/our relationship ….. and of all blogs it was in the one on Crypto Married People(!) – the antithesis of our own marriage. But that’s Mercury – ever the Joker .. i thank thee. It is always amazing to see how astrology can be so on point when you have the right teachers to explain it to you; and also to have some tangible “proof”… Read more »

Melodryad
Melodryad

Wow, I’m blushing! Thanks 🙂

Centaurus
Centaurus

I am natal Sun square Saturn – counting hours is not an option….

baristagem
baristagem

Same!

Lidia
Lidia

Virgo sun and Gemini rising here – your Mercury retro prayers welcome – this is an apocalyptic psych battle!! I wonder if way out of this craziness is to just let go and let it play out without resistance. Aversion = Suffering.

Virgonator
Virgonator

Fellow Virgo Sun Gem Rising here. Are you also instigating fights with everyone you know? That’s what I’m up to these days.

Lidia
Lidia

Hey, more trying to correct their behaviour like its any of my business and really who fck listens, especially during times like this!! Best is follow MM advice – less is more and up the candles, herbs, baths, cold showers and whatever brings grounding and love towards oneself and others.

WaterGem
WaterGem

Not sure what’s got into me but I’m finding Saturn as seen from Cassini shatteringly beautiful

sphinx
sphinx

Mercury Retro is a thing! Met people from the good old, bad old days today. The party A few Gems in there. Some are current friends, some are alienated but related. It’s too bothersome to describe the relationships but 20 years on they now involve us all by blood, intimate relationships at some point and marriage; various siblings, in laws, coworkers, house mates too etc While I don’t think think these people are some soul group I felt the need to incarnate with, there we all are… our kids now related or friendly. And it’s awkward because some heavy stuff… Read more »

Pi
Pi

I think there is a point in a Chiron transit where I have learnt that an aggressive approach to problems or uncertainty or deep pain is vastly counterproductive. A process of yielding and acceptance, both of circumstances and of self as I stand, has for me at least been the only way though the eye of the existential needle.

flowerchild
flowerchild

Wow, you’ve put into words in a very clear and understandable way how I’ve been experiencing my current Chiron return, though I didn’t recognize it until you said it. Thank you for that reflection! 🙂
…I thought it was just that I’m now getting old and too tired to have the energy to stress out on the level that I used to about everything. Haha!
I think you’re right, though, it’s Chiron working on us in a compassionate way, ultimately for our own good to get a little bit of freedom from suffering.

Pi
Pi

Funny what you mentioned about stress. I described 2016 as peak stress, and I simply refuse to be that fried ever again in my entire life. It’s like when the speaker cone is broken and rattles when the bass turns up, I just can’t. The transit was also Saturn in my 6th.
I think Chiron shows you that you have to let yourself off the hook, in a certain way.

flowerchild
flowerchild

Yep, I’ve had Saturn in Sag transiting in my 6th house during this time, too. Crab rising, here… Chiron is transiting in my 10th and my Pisces Mars is exact on 10th house cusp/MC. I’m a bit the same, can’t ‘get it up’ to stress spectacularly anymore and if I do, I’m not so effective at it, and exhausted and absolutely frayed for awhile after. I think it’s also due to my HPA axis, adrenal system, being blown out (like your speaker analogy). I also have CPTSD, so I’ve got to take it easy….. I’ve learned some techniques for quelling… Read more »

flowerchild
flowerchild

p.s. Regarding Mars….. with trauma triggers, responses are: fight, flight, fawn, or freeze and I tend to FIGHT!!!!! …..and viciously so, but now it takes too much out of me and of course is not healthy.

dark star
dark star

That’s Chiron medicine for you…no amount of Mars-ing out in the world will work out as a response. It does feel “weird turn pro” once I realized this and started yinning out.

Pi
Pi

Weird turn pro, yes! A different kind of wierd though. And a different kind of pro. Maybe?

dark star
dark star

Yeah! Maybe letting yourself off the hook/ acceptance IS weird turn pro. I can say the transit for me had me confront but also accept so many family of origin things (Chiron transiting my 4 h stellium).

dark star
dark star

Alsooo maybe Chiron will always feel a different “weird” and “pro” natally opp 2h Uranus and 11h Lilith. Some zappy alien vibes there. Maybe ppl with more triney chirons feel it differently?

LotusFlower
LotusFlower

Mmhm. Especially when you add Saturn into the mix. In fact that acceptance and embraced attitude of yielding is the hallmark of my Saturn in Sagittarius experience – says me as a Sagg ascendant. For the record, I’d say Saturn in an asc sign is as powerful as a Saturn return or Saturn in your som sign. Perhaps a different emphasis, but definitely as ahem noticeable

LotusFlower
LotusFlower

*sun sign

And sorry that reply was heavily Saturn as opposed to Chiron related. I think I need to dig around more – turn my antennas more sensitively towards – Chiron. I have him in a natal T-square, opp my Libra Sun and square Saturn in Cancer. Yeah, Saturn had to find a way to get back in there lol..

Pi
Pi

hahaha whichever way the neurons lead us, I say 🙂

Pi
Pi

That’s an interesting t square though. MM mentioned sometimes we can get a feel for outer planet natal squares when a personal planet transits them.

LotusFlower
LotusFlower

Ahem, you mean like Pluto, having just completed the first aspect to them? An opposition to Saturn in the 7th no less. Oh lol, oh vey..

Am quietly getting off on the sheer power of both Saturn and Pluto in my 1st atm though! (- there’s the silver lining)

LotusFlower
LotusFlower

But oh, wait, a *personal* planet.. I will think on. Thank you for the tip!

LotusFlower
LotusFlower

PS Very true

seawitchmermaid
seawitchmermaid

Love this, I’m having this transit too. Natally I have Mars (and Ur) square my sun/merc, it’s all a process, working on trying to release some baggage currently.

Pi
Pi

It really is a process isn’t it! Aargh lol. Physical activity seems to help move the puzzle around. And especially with a mars square in there. I think davidL said he just went for huge walks every day without even planning to.

Melodryad
Melodryad

This resonates with me. Emotion that is suppressed explodes or entrenches. I developed a form of energy work based on this idea a year ago. It involves empathically sensing either my own or someone else’s powerlessness, fear, anger, sadness, etc. in my energy field and fully allowing and feeling the emotion, while keeping a dual part of my awareness on a parallel opposite state using a relevant mantra to focus. I’ve done a lot wild things with it, like stopping a dozen neighborhood dogs from barking in 5 seconds, or curing a baby’s cold, or a cat’s limp in an… Read more »

Pi
Pi

This would require a lot of emotional latency I guess? And a thorough grip on sound ways to wash off the other party’s state once addressed.
Empathy is very healing, as a Pisces I’ve found it can be really draining ,I wonder if cardinal cancerians do it better, but I think it’s also partly related to my own current situ where I don’t have a lot to give while I am trying to fix/heal myself, basically. Our furry friends though. different story.

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

Thank you for the structure and balance in this approach. I have wild energies that can work, but frazzle me also when i am not harnessing them to balance.

The idea of a cure, rather than an annihilation does sound far more balanced! And more Chironic.

flowerchild
flowerchild

Yeah, to all of this. I have Mars in Pisces, too, exact conjunct the MC, so I can be damned Martian a lot of the time, even though it’s probably toned down from what it could be, being in Pisces.
Anyway, this discussion also reminds me that Chiron went over my Mars awhile back so maybe what you describe, to not respond to everything with aggression, is the lesson of that transit, too, not just having my Chiron return.

babysinclair
babysinclair

Yes this was my Chiron realization as well. I have been counterproductively aggressive and finding that I get surrendering a bit (within my boundaries, another Chiron lesson) …and under all of that aggression, profound vulnerability…

Pi
Pi

It’s interesting. Also in light of flowerchild’s mars comment too. Thinking of Chiron in his regular incarnation as trainer of warriors, half God half mortal. I think once we become aware of the pain and vulnerability and can consciously own it, let it live in us, then we paradoxically become so much stronger. Maybe we are not bristling with swords and armour etc but our tactics, awareness, are wiser? Proper warriors. Not just streetfighters. Maybe this is where saturnian training comes into effect? Saturn alone cannot antidote Chiron pain though imho.

LotusFlower
LotusFlower

Feeling this

flowerchild
flowerchild

Yeah, I am a warrior type, even down to my profession, with Mars conjunct MC in Pisces…..I’m an acupuncturist — healing with ‘spears’!

I think part of my life long lessons, though, is to learn to refine the warrior energy, very much like you’ve stated.. I can’t say I’ve been 100% successful in doing that, yet…

babysinclair
babysinclair

Perfect metaphor. While I was digesting all this, I asked the oracle what my totem/symbol was for the day and it was like “cockroach!”…and something about being an urban survivor. CLICK! Thank you, I am saving this!

gogengo
gogengo

Jesus take the wheel!!

Was just thinking how crazy this Retro has been so far

I feel like just as I get caught up with something I get hit with one more thing

Money is all the sudden tight, relationships weird – gonna work with the iron analogy + conquer anyway 😉

dizzarina
dizzarina

Yes I’m feeling ya!

Pi
Pi

I don’t know, I’ve had Saturn square my sun mercury since… Dunno… March or something? It’s therefore also been square Chiron on my sun , stationing direct now finally of course,and all of this has been while Uranus is stationary direct on my Venus south node until January. Full moons and mercury retrograde kind of dont even register right now hahahahaha although as Merc is my ruling planet, its transit x 3 over my descendant (and Eros) has to count for something, nfi what that is though
*not drowning, waving*

Pi
Pi

To be clear (?) Saturn has moved off my descendant and the square to my sun mercury but as that movement is acccompanied by a house change too then I’m wondering if the vibe shift is.. oh I don’t know. Never mind.

Gemyogi
Gemyogi

Yes, counting down and planning some kind of ‘retreat’ rest period i.e. getting the hell out of the city and being in nature, alchemy baths, yoga, reading (analog) books and logging off social media… long walks, etc. etc.

Moonglow
Moonglow

Tick, tick, F’n tick… when will this lighten up?! One bright note was Tick to a vital snippet of info relating to business I was not privvy to randomly coming though a conversation with a colleage.

dark star
dark star

30 s of cold water on your head and chest is great for your mitochondria acc to Dave Asprey.

I’m coming out of this transit with a very sagg self truth: I create my own structure by feel (tuning into body / emotional intuition).

babysinclair
babysinclair

Omg yes! I have been spending my Saturn return obsessing over routine, and this is where it’s led me to as well. And it’s been working, so much better than forcing an imposed external, mental structure on myself. High five!

dark star
dark star

Yes! Xx

Lux Interior Is My Co-Pilot
Lux Interior Is My Co-Pilot

Also, cold water is considered particularly purifying in the Shinto faith

Lux Interior Is My Co-Pilot
Lux Interior Is My Co-Pilot

It’s called Misogi, sometimes under waterfalls.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogi

Lux Interior Is My Co-Pilot
Lux Interior Is My Co-Pilot

Also, when it comes to Saturnine Hip Hop Suggestions:

Sasha Go Hard

https://youtu.be/X6dvYzXD4XI

Gemyogi
Gemyogi

I would love to do it under a waterfall!

Lux Interior Is My Co-Pilot
Lux Interior Is My Co-Pilot

YESSSSS GOD I AM FeelING THIS: the Messenger God bearing communiques from the entire past cycle of Saturn – since the late 80s in some cases – via cryptic omens, savage nostalgic flashes

But in a good way….like working through the weirdness and baggage of the past….it’s positive

Swordfish
Swordfish

Yes me too. Currently exiting a relationship entered Mercury rx 2012 (which was itself a return to a 1999 encounter) and so many old friends resurfacing now – old hurts too, for sure, but I am so grateful for the growth, and the healing (yes dr Chiron has been in there too, in the weirdest and most literal ways) and now it feels like a whole new world. (Gem sun, Pisces rising)

Impybat
Impybat

Gem sun, Virgo moon, Scorp rising. I had an old high school friend drop by for a visit at my house via Facebook the other day. Hadn’t seen her since we graduated! Also lots of other, past-life random friending going on as well as many tech glitches in all my devices both old and new…so far this retrograde has been nuts.

D
D

Ahhh we have the same placements! (Gem sun, Scorpio rising, Virgo moon!) Twinsies. 🙂 🙂 🙂

My Gemini sun and Virgo moon are part of a grand mutable cross so this Saturn transit was particularly brutal. I’m nervous but also excited for Saturn in Capricorn. I have some serious 8th house issues to deal with that have seemed intractable so I’m hoping I can work with this energy. (It was also my 1st Saturn return so it’s gotta get easier right??)

Mystic Medusa
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