Ask Mystic: 12th House Die-Off

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Dear Mystic,

Is there some kind of 12 house die off before Jupiter reaches my ascendant on the 11th? Let’s just say this week was rough, starting off with getting roofied and almost sent to the hospital on Saturday, coworkers gossiping about my friendship with a male coworker, tried to buy concert tix on Craigslist and got scammed out of $, told another coworker I’d take a look at his art project and it turned into potentially sleazy vibes ugh. 

I have big plans for next leveling everything this year but I’m having trouble getting beyond this. I know I know 12 house = Pisces and I don’t judge bc I am one but I’m wondering…should I just completely hide out until the 11th? Hide and scheme? Is it the dregs of Saturn Chiron square?

A million thanks as always for your horoscopes / wisdom/ blog ✨

Fish Femme

Dear FF,

I love the concept of there being a “die-off” like candida or something in astrology.  But the 12th House is where you have your secret super-powers. It’s not that. And Jupiter LOVES to be in the 12th House. So let’s leave the 12th House out of this. This is – as per the Horoscopes and your theory – the dry down (I am changing the metaphor everybody) of that Saturn Chiron square. It’s been hard and especially on Pisces people.  I hope you are doing all the Aura Protocols or even just obsessively showering. Saging your work-space?  No offence but your co-workers sound like a clutch of Qi Vampires.

So anyway, the top note of Saturn square Chiron – ending now – was alluring; a scarcely remembered scent of banana body lotion or bubble gum teen-era gunk with wisteria and winds from the mountains, outdoorsy but synthetic…what did it remind you of? The base settled into a bracing nitro-eucalyptus blast of something medicinal and the dry down of this pong had  you sniffing around for w.t.f had stunk your room out all of a sudden.

But now? It’s done. Core insights gleaned, noted, analysed, processed and integrated. Right?


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50 thoughts on “Ask Mystic: 12th House Die-Off

  1. Scorpio rising here, just a few degrees difference in ascendant. The changeovers from 12th to first have been instense but I have not experienced them quite that vividly.

    Do you have any 8th house planets? I have a few here plus my prog moon, currently conjunct my Mars, which is shining a light on just how much qi we move as Scorpio risings. The subtle and of course not so subtle, intentionally or obliviously. I wonder if when planets move closer to house lines, the ascendant especially, it acts as though it is in the anarectic degree for our own charts.

  2. I’m going to read through all the comments, but THANK YOU for this question – as a Scorpio rising I was wondering this as well. Good to know it’s the Saturn/Chiron square. Saturn is also opposite my sun for 2 more weeks (counting the days!!).

    If anyone is interested I highly recommend Iron Shirt Qi Gong for these kinds of occasions. I’m a tai chi instructor and I have been slacking on this, but I am going to kick it into high gear.

    This is just a random video (not my school) but it seems to be useful from the quick look I had:

    The “clear the kidneys” move is particularly useful. Also a move called “Stroke the Beard.” It redistributes chi evenly through the chakras – it tends to get high up and buzzy in the upper chakras because modern life is not very rooted in our physical experience and root chakra.

  3. Jupiter in 12 is the unseen “Guardian Angel” – you may not look at it this way, but you’re actually lucky you didn’t have to go to the hospital (12th H) and that nothing even more unfortunate happened while you were drugged! So perhaps some context, then: It could always be worse than it is/was. That’s why Jupiter’s blessings are so hard to appreciate when in this house – you don’t ever *see* them. If it’s doing its job right, it’s the invisible hand cradling and keeping you in its benevolent palm; especially when in harm’s way due an innocent lapse in (good) judgement.

    I have natal Jupiter here. Transiting Jupiter through this house brings me nothing tangible but everything spiritual – you don’t look for earthly things when it visits this house; you bless up & big up your connection to Divinity by believing that it *always* has your back. The spiritual benefits are ENORMOUS – you feel more connected to The All/much greater things beyond just yourself.

    And OMG, the DREAMS….!

  4. You know what is weird? I keep re-reading and i dont get the metaphors. Maybe it’s the idiom. “Die off” sounds good if it refers to bad flora or fungus..? But examples given are more like a build up? ” Dry down” i understand but dont get. Ah well. Im usually well into metaphor but i guess im got!

  5. So I had a Saturn-Chiron epiphany this weekend.

    My estranged husband (his Virgo moon in my 12th house, fwiw) is obsessed with picking at old wounds. I told him he’s done picking at mine. Because I need to heal.

  6. Jupiter might love being in the 12th but not when you have natal south node there. I noticed many years ago that whenever moon was in Saggo (my south node) I’d experience deep melancholy for a few days every month. Not always but often enough that i had to investigate WTF what was going on.

    Saturn transiting my 12th, Chiron square Saturn + natal chiron return was…ugh.. no words. Endings, karma, painful lessons… being ghosted by a Pisces (his Sun smack bang on my natal chiron). Was like being punched in the guts upon waking for months.
    Don’t think I’ll ever get over it, I’ve learned to manage it.

    And all the while career stuff (late Jupiter in Libra on MC) was taking off. Offers and opportunities flying my way and i din’t give a shit about any of it. And I’m a Cap ascendent!! I was like whatevs.. who cares. Just make the pain stop!!!

    Counting the sleeps til Saturn exists my 12th but dreading Jupiter in Sagg in 12th next year. A least the Chiron stuff is done with.

  7. I’ve had about ten (of twelve!) planets in my natal transit chart in pisces in the 12th this year, Talk about cloistered! Also my natal Jupiter is in the twelfth. Someone asked what was good about it (above): karma flows back to you, you’re extra sensitive, creative things flow when solo/cloistered and there’s absolutely no interest in drama or extroverted nonsense for the sake of being ‘busy’. Everything is ultra-meaningful this year. Silence isn’t boring, and i’m actually adoring being alone… Meditations are extra powerful, too.
    That said, can’t wait till everything moves off the twelfth house emphasis next year and i can leave the ‘garret’!

  8. Really? Jupiter loves being in the 12th? I’m experiencing this now and I’m not enjoying it at all. My only solace is in knowing that it’s a short transit (so from sep until end of november, still about 3 weeks to go)
    My relationship is put on hold, I can’t write as much as I would like to, I feel reclusive, but I’m not enjoying it. Singing classes stopped being joyful. The usual go-to males who could have consoled me are not available.
    What’s good about Jupiter in the 12th?

  9. is saying Saturn is Square Chiron until Nov. 11. It’s 1 degree away from my Venus Pisces and two nights ago, for the very firs time in my 46 years, I was the “cause” of a bar fight. So there goes THAT 4-year long but two of them not talking, never out of each others’ minds transcontinental but 5 months now in the same city trying to make it work WTFery.

    I feel like this square has been kicking my ass in one area or another since March.

  10. My advice as a natal Jupiter 12th houser: you are experiencing pieces of the collective shadow. It’s not just your colleagues and bar/art dudes that are dodgy. Everybody is. Love them anyway. Have infinite compassion for what got them to the manifestation of shadow realm. Do not forget. IMO this is a “fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me” transit. Once Jupiter gets to your AC, use your expanded understanding and fight, not on an interpersonal level (ignore all those gossipy shitbirds), but on a systemic one. Jupiter = truth and justice.

    • this is interesting! I was just thinking today that I think it’s important for people to sin (=act unthoughtfully because of passion/obsession/wrong motives) because it can make their compassion/love for others less morally charged, less theoretical/blind, and more realistic/kind. Since everyone indeed is dodgy. so maybe that’s a small effect from a Jupiter through 12th transit

      • This is precisely the heart of the issue with my now (and once again) head-butting ex-boyfriend. He is much older (late 60s) and has done oodles of things of which he is not very proud never having been faithful during his 34-year marriage for one, and someone who’s been in a crap marriage, I don’t judge…)–but this has yet to soften him or increase his compassion for others’ mistakes. Instead, he’s got an icy judge/scorched earth policy on “infractions” with an invisible British Judge’s wig on his head (Mars in Scorp?).

        What’s the point of screwing up if all you’re gonna do is pretend to be guilty about it but never open your heart to others who’ve made or are making mistakes?

        You are right–*everyone* is dodgy somehow, some way. But without any of this type of wisdom gained, you’re just an asshole.

      • Whoah you are really vibing a 12th Jupiter belief there!

        Despite all the lessons, all the evidence and all the disappointments, i still believe this could be a truth that sets free.

        Just remember there are so many truths and this one may not be recognised or taken up by so many. (I think of the people who take life under the banner of a cause, probably hoping to send a message to the consciousness of living/remaining/dealing others.) Try not to do the if only’s, when viewing another; it’s a great thought but dig deeper into yourself and remember that where you might be advocating a grand truth, even if it IS grand and beautiful, we can only make that work in ourselves and our communities first.

        Gosh, sorry, is that Saturn whittling down and disappointing my Grand Jupiterian 12th Sag Faith? Let it be known, the Faith is not gone at all.
        It’s been numbed, been ground and is being polished. We’re just trying to work it so it can really rule. And we’re very sorry we might not have smiled much and perhaps had a little effect on someone’s day, just by smiling and connecting.

    • Wow. So true. “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.” I said those words near the end of 12th house Jupiter transit over the summer. (Unfortunately it was the shame on me part. I had resisted this person for a Long time… until Jup hit my 12th house… )

      Now I have so much resolve to not waste time that could be applied to my own mission and max Jup in 1st house, it’s not even funny.

    • “Now I’ve always been the kind of person that doesn’t like to trespass but sometimes you just find yourself over the line.
      Oh if there’s an original thought out there, I could use it right now.”

      “Brownsville Girl” (Dylan)

    • I am a 12th House Jupiter person – (some closer relatives tend to be 1st house) and I think this is fairly apt…and it is also conjunct ascendant opposite mercury…(that is trine to the moon & ceres) truths, in the face of distortions too, sometimes when it is not so opportune?

      As social causes show some community orientation, the spiritual learning through some kind of private undertaking (not for public gain) makes sense…

      At times I feel isolated, do realise I am taken advantage of, yet I do accept that it’s my path I chose, for my personal reasons – “raisin d’être”…hence the openess of the fool’s journey, a sense of wonder, hope too.

      Also I have the current north node going through my 12th. Someone recently spoke of the difference between destiny and direction – the latter not being confined to a fixed perspective…that it may be encountering much, the experience rather than a destination.

      Some transits definitely are more tough than others…I have compassion for those in times that overwhelm, are less forgiving. We are in circumstances concerned with conservatism, and this is very hard on many who just simply were not born into privilege, were without adequate support.

    • I like this. Realising your weaknesses and shortcomings shows humility. I relate being Nep cj IC (+ 9 Ptolemaic aspects and a SD / Focal in a T Sq).

      Its what l did with kids at school. I came from a shit upbringing and kids who get bashed, who don’t get a decent breakfast or psychologically abused need love n care. So fuqn what if they swore at me or disrupted the class. Play a long game. Show kindness. Implementing some idiot “outcome education best practice” wankery is pointless if mum is on drugs or dad is violent.

      • The Pluto transit from my perspective is just showing how coercive and corrupt all these hidden forces of conservative power have been – incredibly destructive, and I really question how complicit people are to this even -unwittingly. A 12th house experience even from Jupiter is going to be a test of faith, of spiritual and moral truth, and is no walk in the park…

    • Hmm yes I get that everyone has shadow sides but I don’t respect those who don’t do any work to own their shadowy side of the road. Like ok I’ve kind of pulled some vaguely fuqed up emotional dark things when flailing about in my 20s. I have compassion for the “ sinning” moral ambiguity and a flexibility to see things from someone’s emotional pain. What I don’t get is the roofies / qi vamp gossip / lechery which is just plain gross and needs to not be apologized for.

  11. Have to admit I found Jupiter through my 12th a few years ago completely overshadowed by loss and bereavement… I think it was only after then that I started reading cancer as my rising sign horoscope to get the house energies (and remedies) right. If I’d have known that stopping completely – embracing the softest, stillest, most fluid and gentle spiritual self-practice in that year was going to get me through with far fewer scars and damage than attempting to be ‘normal’ ..

    So ok fish femme… that’s a fair bit removed from dodgy gossiping colleagues (fuq them, srsly) and the administering of illicit drugs without your consent, requiring hospitalization , theft, lame deceptive sneaky attempts to hit on you via art… All of this does actually sound kind of low 12th/jupiterian in certain ways… I’m so sorry all this has befallen you..
    It’s only 6 days to go until the 11th – What if you were to apply yourself in that time to examining the highest forms of Jupiter energy available to you in that house (and sign!! Scorpio)?
    Perhaps in shining a light on the processes and boosting your super strong, perceptive scorp rising depth perception, a particular personal perception or belief might come forward, or even a sort of spiritual re-adjustment could make itself available.
    Just realised I used the word “adjustment” which I’ve seen used in association with squares and those 150 degree aspects whose names I forget. Quincunx. Are there natal squares to your 12th house? Opposition? How did Saturn go during that transit?
    Did you know that the traditional and modern rulers of your asc are about to square each other? Nowhere near your asc tho
    Just stuff to ponder I suppose…

    +100 for the Saturn Chiron square btw Mystic lolol. Nitro eucalyptus hahahahah
    Who am I again? not sure. I thought Chiron had finally moved off my sun but nope: he’s back having there right naow. Dude…
    Saturn is on my dsc making a textbook example of an exact square to this, LOL. I don’t even know, it’s normal now. I think I’m just numb? Have developed super elite skills in how to disappear from myself/the world? but also not? Established a new level of what feels like profound understanding of pain and the capacity/limits of the physical world to assimilate that? Clarity as to where my lifestyle , hence me, is looking pretty feral and tattered (Saturn ending 6h transit)?

    I do quite like the perfume analogy!
    Even just this eve I thought of changing laundry detergent for a new clean clothes vibe…bizarrely life altering sometimes

    Wishing you proper jupiterian luck, Pisces! Wait til that jupes Neptune trine kicks in 🙂

    • Jupiter just entered my 12th house, lovely mysterious Scorpio world, with a natal Neptune in there late in the degrees. My life for the past few years has been very active, busy, out-there. But the messages have been clear since the eclipses that, coming up, it’s time for me to disappear, nocturnalize, make myself absent from the public or from brazen activity. It’s time to rest into something, to settle, to get an understanding of the dark, my dark, the finer senses I have at my command. Jupiter is my chart ruler, which can be exhausting, with all that upping of influence. In essence, I truly appreciate your words here, Pi:

      “If I’d have known that stopping completely – embracing the softest, stillest, most fluid and gentle spiritual self-practice in that year was going to get me through with far fewer scars and damage than attempting to be ‘normal’ …”

      • I wish you well on the inward adventure, Firetryin’! Someone said somewhere the 12th is also relating to confinement, which can take place in a cloister or monastery as much as any prison … The water houses (4,8,12) seems we can only do our best if we just stop and listen, more than usual, maybe
        Also the 12th, the immaterial, it is just like *there all the time* .. tuning in via your natal house vibe sounds so nice.

        The gif in the above img finally came to life on my phone omg MM … I was actually going to write above “I don’t recognise the person I see in the mirror”
        *tries not to cry*
        just this afternoon, I was realising, I still just feel so goddam disgusting, like revulsion at my entire life and the course it has taken (or that I have taken it on, to use active language that will allow me to take ownership ugh again lol), could be a passing moon phase,
        Ok enuf musing
        Aura protocols?
        Obsessively showering
        These actually sound like medicinal treatments right now.
        The Pluto meditation and everything associated with that post MM helped with this – a consciousness thing, different from Chiron of course,

    • I like this advice, esp re: staying still and listening. So counter society but it really is 12 h medicine – listening to that Saturn Chiron passage

      • Yeah… Modern capitalist society gets anxious when we’re not paying attention to it because that probably means we’re not spending our money on its products or subscribing to its belief systems, or something…

  12. No words, or a novella.. so no words.

    Saturn square Chiron after Saturn square Saturn has left my 10th house in disarray and as the 11th ruler, it’s fared not much better tbh.

    The dry-down. I like that better than the dro-wning.

  13. Close calls for sure- but Jupiter’s golden shield kept me safe-

    Friend’s lively lovely mom passed on- stunning all including my friend who was driving her to an appt. Just a swift transition there, then gone. A good parting- heartbreaking, no lead up. But merciful and swift.

    I too have Scorp Rising- one foot in the Upside Down the other above ground.

    • Sorry to hear about your friends mom…I can’t imagine that was easy for them.
      omg yes scorp rising one ft in upside down always
      also do you find yourself continually relating to Eleven? I’ve been traipsing around work all week trying to find a good place to self hypno /meditate. Seriously considered tying on a blindfold with radio lol

  14. Chiron and Saturn natally conjunct in Pisces, Chiron return well it was before Rx and Chiron on itself again on the 25th Jan 2018. Ill let yall know what went down in Feb when the dust settles

  15. Couple of things. wtf is it with people and their drugging to others to get their way or rob or what ever the hell they want. I simply just cannot compute this stuff. Im the opposite and if I pick up with someone at a bar the first thing I do is ask him to quit drink have a water and sober up because I need him utterly conscious for the next few hours/days/ weeks however long this thang lasts. But this Roofie crap just boggles my senses. Hey guy buy a sex doll or go rob a bank but for goodness sake stop this. Sorry having a rant here because my 20 year old was subject to this in her group of friends the other night…again. Thank fully she is a savvy switched on Cappi who will floor anyone who tries this crap.
    Secondly, I felt a huge upswing this weekend with everyone being utterly lovely and I gave thanks that I live in such a great place with such lovely folk around me. ta dah. life. It is all swings and roundabouts after all

    • Oh and thanks MM for the Pluto meditation. Perfect timing as I have just embarked on a course that requires me to do guided meds and relaxations and I cannot stand the ones that start with relax your muscles in your face blah blah. This was fabulous giving the individual time to grasp their own sensations and run with them, Wonderfull stuff.

  16. Good GAWD this weekend was grim. What astounds is that I definitely feel an uplift, a clearing, a subtle and certain pattern recognition clicking into place.

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