Ask Mystic: Cusp Lovers

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Hi Mystic

I’m not sure where to direct this but I had a general query for Mystic. I am a subscriber, Pisces (cancer moon, virgo rising) and it has recently come to my attention that with the exception of one relationship, all of my relationships of note have been with men on a cusp. Any cusp, I think I’ve worked my way through them all. Most recently not one but TWO men on the cancer/gemini cusp (they actually had the same birthday). I’m trying to work out whether this is because I am a Pisces and naturally attracted to people with complex layers or is it just coincidence?

 What does this mean? At this stage are we now conceding that it is a genuine pre-requisite for a relationship?

 Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Kind Regards, 
KM1

Hi KM1,

I can’t actually recall what this post was titled to link to it but somewhere in the archives is a post about how we can have runs of one sign in our life or people with a particular astrological signature. Often, it’s something dormant within our own energies that needs activating. Or, like the person here, you only seem to attract – say – Neptunians.

But here’s the thing – there IS no such thing as a “cusp”.  You are either – in the example given – a Cancer or a Gemini. The Sun is in one sign or it is in the next. I think that it’s interesting  your two “Cancer/Gemini” cusp men would both be doing Saturn transits at the moment so maybe you’re drawn to or pulling in people who are wanting to get serious about their goal-stalking and ground themselves?

Are Pisceans attracted to “people with complex layers?”  I actually think not and i am Sun-Venus conjunct in Pisces. My theory is that Pisces people crave simplicity and peace, having enough of their own complexities for everyone. And, since Saturn in Sagittarius, most Pisces people – any of the Mutable signs in fact – have an allergy to drama/zombie relationships/slippery people.

Thoughts?

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Kala
Kala

Hi! I am Saggi Ascendant and sun conjunct venus in pisces. What I have noticed is I have attracted meb that felt couldnt be with me becouse there were social conventions that “banned it” sort of. I have just felt that saturn as limitations.. that I dont feel are mine. Obviouly they feel super attracted to my neptune. I have met them through work but dont understand why so many protocols. I have just decided to move on and not wait for anyone.. that after 3 months of crying very pisces style. I am the only one it seems that… Read more »

tw:leo
tw:leo

i was literally talking to a friend today about this! i am attracted to people born on the 14th of any month–same as me. and days in the teens in general. third decan sun signs.

skydeer
skydeer

I would say Scorpio or Pluto on the 7th house or with the inner planets would indicate love of complexity much more than Neptune/Pisces

LaFemma
LaFemma

I (Pisces sun, Scorpio moon, Neptune conj. Asc.) agree that Pisces wants sweet and simple relationships, but it’s taken me a lot of relationships to get there. I’m not unlike the poster in that I have sun trine moon in water with an earth (Cap in my case) rising sign. I have Venus-Uranus and Mars-Neptune aspects so I’ll always be drawn to weird, eccentric, artistic, out there guys (and they flock to me) but I’ve learned to recognize and avoid the lower types, or you know, listen to them non-judgmentally and be acquainted but not tied to them. I tend… Read more »

Pi
Pi

“listen to them non-judgmentally and be acquainted but not tied to them. ” yes, this is the thing!
Venus in Aries does need some rock n roll mayhem otherwise boredom ensues. I’m with you on the funny, sporty types. Thanks for sharing your stories 🙂

LaFemma
LaFemma

Very welcome haha. Not much beats a sense of humor. 🙂

I was just reading The Book of Pluto and the author, Steven Forrest, says “He or she [those with a moon-pluto aspect in their natal chart] will also radiate a very particular kind of welcoming message into the world, specifically beckoning anyone who is passing through a Plutonian period.”

This explains so much! I have moon conjunct Pluto, and yeah, people tell me things, big things, all sorts of things that they wouldn’t otherwise I don’t think.

LiberatingVenus
LiberatingVenus

A pattern of cusp partners probably just means you likely have something in your chart that gets pinged between 29-0 degrees. Whatever that point or planet is, you’re working on something related to it. I don’t get my knickers in a knot re: “cusps” at all – when I hear the word, all it lets me know is someone is born in either the extreme 3rd or 1st decans of a sign. I actually find it somewhat helpful because on the fly it can help you pin someone’s transits easier. For example, if someone were to say to me right… Read more »

marsbar
marsbar

But are decans a thing or not?
😉 asking for a friend…

Jokerman
Jokerman

A third of the time they are.

saturnplutoflux
saturnplutoflux

lol

flowerchild
flowerchild

I have Pisces moon, Cancer rising, and an 8th house Sun, Aqua. Yes, I have been drawn to the complex layer types, but I really can’t handle them, and often feel drained by them. Now I avoid these types but really went for them like a magnet when I was younger. I don’t have extra energy for that now. I feel much better around stable, grounded people, because I’m highly sensitive, myself, and do feel uncomfortable or overwhelmed or just too influenced by other people’s energy sometimes. As far as repeating patterns go, I’ve often drawn in other people who… Read more »

flowerchild
flowerchild

p.s. I forgot to say, regarding repeating astro patterns in my life, in addition to serendipitously finding other Pisces Moon peeps like me, I also have a group of friends, who are long time friends now, from uni and such, who all have an 8th house Sun, like me, even though different Sun signs. Tribe!

Sankt Freundin
Sankt Freundin

Haha I was actually thinking about this just a few days ago. I realized, that the people, who have made the biggest impact in me and in my life – be they best friends, lovers or teen age idols – born between 13th and 16th of April. I like Aries any way but my “type” seems to be Aries with this golden angle to my Leo Sun. I’m not skilled enough to count the degree but it’s worth noticing. The next time I meet an Aries that’s born between those days, I will know in advantage, that they will lift… Read more »

MissDee
MissDee

Gemini with Virgo rising here. And this sentence totally portraits me now: “And, since Saturn in Sagittarius, most Pisces people – any of the Mutable signs in fact – have an allergy to drama/zombie relationships/slippery people.”

Chrysalis
Chrysalis

Ahh my Capricorn force field. All except one of my major relationships and most of my long- term best friends have had birthdays with in a week of each other, their suns on my moon. Or rather my Moon-Lilith-Juno-Eros conjunction. I call them the Nolan Sisters 🙂 Currently under Pluto restructure since forever, sigh.

dark star
dark star

Weighing in as a venus sun nn moon Pisces yeah I was drawn to complexity in my early-mid 20s before I figured myself out.

My descendant is Taurus with a 7th h mars jup exact so I want a earthy (not boring) dynamic guy. Outer planet complexity+ Saturn I have enough of, thanks. I think this writer is drawn to it bc Pisces is her descendant? With Virgo rising some earth in the mix is good…

MissDee
MissDee

I hear ya! Virgo rising here so yes my descendant is in Pisces (plus I am a Neptunian) so the how low and high Neptune vibe worked for me for a while.
But after last year’ Nept/Sat square I have decided that my earthly Moon in Taurus is gonna be on the driving seat in my relationships. No more zombies, alcohol or drug addicted or “complex” (as in “with tonnes of unresolved issues and unaware of them”) peeps EVER in my life.

dark star
dark star

Yes thank god, I’m sure we could trade stories 😉

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

Hey, KM1, cusps are NOT a thing, that’s why an ephemeris gives the shift from one sign to another for every single year to the minute and second. But with so many people unsure of exact birthtimes, or maybe given an estimate, it can seem like a thing. But what you might find fascinating is to look at the Decans. Basically, you can divide each sign further by 10 degrees. So, first 10 degrees of Aries is the Arien decan, the next ten degrees is the Leo Decan and the last is the Sagittarian decan. Also, the late late degrees… Read more »

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

Oh, one example for much younger child me was that i am a late Pisces (please don’t make any “late” jokes about Pisces and clock time!) I’ve often been mistaken for Fire, and am never guessed as Pisces. Plus my mother is Aquarian so i suspected often she might have got the date wrong, compounded by the fact she sometimes prepares for my birthday in entirely the wrong month, though she is consistent about the day and time of birth. Now i know i have lots of Fire, a strong aspected Mars, and Mercury the Communicator in Aries. And that… Read more »

Jokerman
Jokerman

I’ve had Nov 13 (x2) and May 4 (x2) in relationships.
And 6 friends Sept 19 !!! !!!

Pi
Pi

3rd decan virgos are SO brainy and funny. A major unrequited love when I was a much younger Fish is a 19/9. He was all Libra under that Virgo skin though. No match.

Jokerman
Jokerman

My daughter is 3rd Decan Virgo trine Toro Asc. “Is it made of cotton?”

Pi
Pi

She might even prefer a linen-wool blend. 🙂

emg
emg

I’ve met two husbands 19/9 And both of course Leo rising ! Because everyone I get hooked into is leo rising Always seems to make for composite 12 house sun ?!?!?

Jokerman
Jokerman

Were they hour husbands? Lol

Jokerman
Jokerman

Timely mistake. *your*

emg
emg

Yes They became mine for a minute

Starbaies
Starbaies

Ive known a couple Sept 19 individuals too! But they can be very different, Ive found. One of them ended up delivering a huge soulmate experience but he was engaged and I left before causing more drama than I already had(didnt know what was happening, dont get mad at me). The other one doesnt compare to soulmate dude at all, its like comparing apples to instant ramen.

sphinxradio
sphinxradio

Another Pisces sun/Virgo rising chiming in, I wonder how many of those cusps straddle a mutable sign or have strong mutable influence? I definitely feel like mutable people are my closest tribe, and I think it’s something to do with being okay with being a little… uh, inconsistent about things.

Plus, there’s the seventh-house sun — partners are extra important for you, not in a “I’m-insecure-without-one” way but more like your personal identity gets involved, maybe not even in a conscious way. Does that sound right?

PiscesPheonix
PiscesPheonix

As a Pisces Sun, Cancer Moon and Rising, I really don’t mind the complex types and I do prefer men with layers. There’s something fascinating to me about being able to unpick all of that, but the layers need to be quality ones. I don’t know if that’s an oxymoron or not…. but it can’t be solid drama all the way down, it is incredibly draining and lord knows I’ve had enough of that. Also, I don’t know if layers necessarily means drama drama drama. Having complexities in your personality is fine (as everyone does), but if you have a… Read more »

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

Complexity is beautiful when owned.

The person explores it, is tuned in to shifts and the ache for transformation. As well as the glory of the prismatic wonders.

We know it will impact on the intimate partner, and in a tough spot someone may need to lean on the empathetic grace and loving patience of the other, and it will not always be a perfect process.

But if the complexity is not owned then it is just drama, ever circling and outward projecting, with the escape clauses they never mentioned but call upon with utmost swipe and block, and obtuseness. Boring!

quintile
quintile

complex is ok – complicated is not!

Pi
Pi

Nicely put..

Annabelle Fabriczy
Annabelle Fabriczy

I am always attracted to people born FEB1-5 seriously….

Going through some heavy travsits at the moment .. pluto conjunct moon!!! Saturn in career sector , chiron trabsitibg bloody pisces ascendant..

And i am inclined to embrace my aquarianess.. lots of little signs pointing me in this direction

I have mars in aquarius and north node!

So i agree with MM.. perhaps there are energies wiitjgin these people that you would like to grow within yourself?

saturnplutoflux
saturnplutoflux

I’m a quadruple Sagg with earth rising sign…in the last 20 yrs all relationships(except my ex-husband who was also quadruple Sagg) have been with earth sign guys who had 4 other planets in Sagg….Im sure there’s some balancing going on there, on both sides of the equation. For me I found the earthiness anchoring, and those guys who had all that fire hidden away behind respectable earth exteriors got to live it vicariously through me…or something 🙂

virgosun
virgosun

Pisces stellium here and it resonates with me. Axed a few drama relationships. Only interested in easy breezy these days,

Pi
Pi

Good question… As a 9th house fish person I do enjoy a certain kind of complexity – I think my mutable things get bored with samesameness (sadge dsc), I need the mental and emotional complexity to be seen, rather than in my own bubble and them smiling and nodding – that would feel isolating Fish e csncerian moon does seem to like complex beings. Wait also, Virgo rising? Pisces DSC? dreamy poetical types with all these undersea habitats to explore. Too much clunky behaviour is a turnoff but… exactly as MM mentioned, I choose to no longer engage with badly… Read more »

Scorpy
Scorpy

“A fixed chart or too much intensity”

That’s most Scorps. LOL. I thought you were drawn to us.

My chart is half fixed / half mutable, so I like stability. I guess that’s why i have so many Toro friends. They’ve all got fire or air in their charts though.

Too much mutability and / or fickleness drives me mental.

Pi
Pi

Its more the lunar vibes e.g. fixed or plutonic moon that I struggle with. I retreat from anger or too much doom and I can feel when a fixed sign has put me in a box. Scorpio sun as a water sign is a bit different. I’m close to 3 women with Taurus moons and there’s a point where I go, whoa, are you sure you’ve got the reins tight enough there – just little things I see playing out I’m intimate relationships (all moons have their shitty side obvs) I’ve also found that a stellium in fixed signs or… Read more »

Pi
Pi

Interestingly the 3 x Toro moon women each have mutable sun signs. And I admire them all too btw. This isn’t intended as finger pointing. Kind of thinking out loud about how i relate to fixed sign energy in close personal relationships. I have a really nice time with Sun sign men with their fire stellium in 2nd house, it also means sexy Scorpio or pleasant Pisces (or creative cancerian) rising, although the energy might be a little bit ‘low key’ for me mentally speaking…I’ll have to give this some more thought 😉 hahaha

Scorpy
Scorpy

yeah. I get it. I often pick up on a stranger’s lunar vibe more than their Sun sign, and in social situations my Saggo moon comes out to play.

Fixed Sun and Merc in Scorp i tend to see things in black and white but thanks to my Venus Libra I’m able to see both sides of an argument or situation. I’d be intolerable with a fixed venus.
So thanks for the explanation 🙂

Claire
Claire

Another thing which is interesting is im friends with a lot of librans and people born on the 19th of a month, including my partner who is cancer 19th and im libran 19. But ive dated a lot of people born on the 19th of months all over the place!

Plum
Plum

Same for me and the 16th. But I have lots of chart stuff in the 20-26 degrees range, which their Sun would be aspecting, so I guess it makes sense.

Claire
Claire

Just a cool thing i found after doing an astro chart; I used to think I might be more scorpio than Libra because my birthdate was close to scorpio than mid range libra. But then my chart revealed that I just had a lot of scorpio in closer planets like venus and in my emotional sectors. Its worth looking at a chart. Really helps the spread. Wish I had some earthy signs though!

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