Venus Square Saturn Was The Culprit

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Your lucid, steely new clarity is not merely the result of Venus Retrograde. Look more to Venus square Saturn, a terse but informative alignment. God who hasn’t radically altered their relationship-values-dating-aesthetics with this Retro Venus cycle? Yes, Venus is now Direct, but all April has been and IS Venus in precise alignment with Saturn.

Not so much a ‘reality check’ as a ‘reality checkpoint’ with hazard lights and penalties for not pulling over.   Surreal twists and synchronicity for no extra fee if approved!

So my strange manifestation was finding a rant by Stephen Fry online that seemed familiar. Then I recalled that a specific person from my past had recited it word-for-word and in a passionate mode as if they were all his thoughts, no attribution. Sure, we all pick up on facts or snippets that strike as pertinent enough to weave into our verbal schtick, but this was over the top. Then, a few hours later, I came across a speech from some Tom Hanks movie that this person – yes, Gemini, yes, actor – had deployed during a significant moment.

What else, I have been wondering, was or is a figment? Is this the matrix already? Or is there a separate version of the pattern that only warps up when you attempt to blend energies at a significant level with another person?   It’s not just – the intense Saturn/Mars vibe of the weekend is like clarity on growth hormone.  Lines set, crossed and fortified all over the damn place.

Thoughts?

 

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CleverUserIDMM Member
CleverUserID

so an ex kinda popped out of the woodwork and paid me back money that has been owed to me after 20 years during this VR. is this caused at least in part by the fact that my venus (and sun and lilith and neptune) is in my 2nd house? (all in scorp except sun in libra) it as really weird. and my first thought was to look to my chart to figure out how the phuq this happened. i mean. it was thousands of dollars. after 20 years. i’d love to look more deeply into this and understand what… Read more »

Savgemi
Savgemi

Waking up from a sexual dream about an ex. Certainty I fantasize like what if but than all the terrible situations I was put in and never said anything about remind me it’s never gonna happen. I understand the concept of shadow periods but what manifestions are ‘normal’ in shadow time? Just curious where my dream came from and what could be in store the rest of the weeks?

Year of the Phoenix
Year of the Phoenix

Oh yes Mystic, the lines from movies as genuine intimacy…. “Tou make me want to be a better man” that was really said to me WHEN HE PROP

Year of the Phoenix
Year of the Phoenix

meant to say proposed – yes, PROPOSED you can only imagine what an idiot I feel in retrospect Am having a bit of an issue with a Gemini at work SO uber charming (to everyone’s face) openly admits she has “two gears” and she doesn’t go into her top gear here as she doesn’t get enough money, when she isn’t getting any emails instead of trying to make some sales drum up some business she tells me she just “goes slow” and yet is perpetually trying me to do her Jobe for her, to the point of actually taking over… Read more »

PiMM Member
Pi

was it George Clooney? who said, “Inside every great actor is a great actress.”

VirgonatorMM Member
Virgonator

I was having a conversation with my ex the other day about how often he’d change identities (every time I was starting to feel comfortable) and just saying I need to own in the future, no judgment, that I need stability in a partner. His response: I did it on purpose because i thought you were getting too comfortable. This struck me like a thunderbolt – exactly! He thinks he was doing it for my spiritual growth, but I think you can justify any awful thing as “good for someone to learn to handle.” That’s my choice, to see if… Read more »

torolocoMM Member
toroloco

Same here with the sex dreams. I was told things like lavender and amethyst would actually amplify them, not stop them. Use anything that blocks negative energy. (Black tourmaline stones, etc.) I’ve also been hypnotizing myself to sleep to prevent my dream brain waves from even going there.

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

That is not cool. It’s like parents beating their children and saying “it’s for your own good” and “this is going to hurt me as much as it hurts you”
Like errr no, I think you’re just telling yourself that to assuage the guilt.
And I quite agree, it’s up to you to chose what experiences you accept for your spiritual growth. I think as women our experiences with parter often get chalked up as a spiritual lesson but for the dude to be assuming that responsibility is a bit weird. Bullet dodged.

kriblackMM Member
kriblack

I have always wondered this! How do people who date actors know that the person is not just acting? I don’t think I’d ever trust an actor’s feelings were real. Not that non-actors can’t fake emotions and make up pretty sounding lies. ugh. What a creepy realization Mystic.

marsbar
marsbar

Wow Mystic that plagarism guy sucks. 🙁 he prob thought he got away with it too! I didn’t find any plagarism so far, but i did go to my first Pride Shabbat. An amazing experience btw. The rabbi is someone who is openly out and he gave deeply moving talks. As an outsider to this faith. I found such stark contrast to Christianity’s sermons where you “sit down and shut up” and listen to word of god chewed up for you and spat back out as (barely) modern advice. I am the ask-too-many-questions-ferret so i got along just fine with… Read more »

Jokerman
Jokerman

To copy one person’s work is plagiarism
To copy many people’s work is research

(EDITOR: To copy other people’s jokes is lazy)

marsbar
marsbar

aren’t you supposed to attribute when you do research? :p

Jokerman
Jokerman

I’ll have to look into that.

PandoraMM Member
Pandora

To copy any number of people’s work without attribution is plagiarism in research

Jokerman
Jokerman

I realise this. I’m just having a laugh.

JacquiMM Member
Jacqui

Venus is rubbing me the wrong way cause its crossing my natal Saturn and has that square thingamajig happening. Feeling frumpy and yik, what cha goina do? call dust busters… I mega cleaned, laundered, mowed, hosed, changed oil in car (well helped Mr Crab) shopped, sorted and now its dinner to cook. I AM FEELING BETTER.

JacquiMM Member
Jacqui

Almost ready for another power term at work/school

Jokerman
Jokerman

Whatdoya teach?

JacquiMM Member
Jacqui

Vis arts n photography 7-12

Jokerman
Jokerman

I teach bratz

Really, Metal & Timber & Laughing

AlouettaMM Member
Alouetta

Venus retro has been incredible. My relationship has and is still going through the wringer but it feels so necessary and slowly I’m starting to feel the gains: quicker shifts from unpleasant emotions between us and more reminders of why we fell in love. I drew a line in the sand today and it feels great, but to be honest I still couldn’t tell you if we are going to make it through this. I guess I’ll know soon.

Jokerman
Jokerman

Venus Saturn sq? Shit. Pluto turns Rx in my 7th.
50 cups and the bean is not under anyone of them.

flowerchild
flowerchild

Me too, Pluto rx in my 7th….no activity on that yet, but it’s only been a day…..

milleunanotteMM Member
milleunanotte

Venus Saturn square natal here. Did you not know we can be the Saint or the Sinner? The Nun or the Sacred Prostitute? It is extreme but so what. In extremes we live because we flow into, back, and out around again. The squares may irritate, but by goddess, do they move you.

milleunanotteMM Member
milleunanotte

As in, your fifty cups could be 64 cups, if you crafted more cups.

Jokerman
Jokerman

That is prescient

flowerchild
flowerchild

Ah, interesting! Hadn’t thought of it that way… I also have natal Venus Saturn square. Venus in Cap, Saturn in Aries.

marsbar
marsbar

More cups; more abundance!! From a tarot perspective!

A_J_MM Member
A_J_

OMG, so during Venus Rx I “met” this amazing man online, who is supposed to come visit next weekend. He is an alpha male – kind, funny, witty, intelligent, amazingly well-grounded considering his past, and in possession of high emotional intelligence. He has regaled me with stories about his exes – all stunning, well-educated, extremely intelligent…and provided good reasons why it didn’t work out with them. I have natal Venus in Capricorn squaring Saturn, as well as Moon square Venus, so I’ve been dealing with the ups/downs of low self-esteem/questioning my femininity i.e. “Why would this man be remotely interested… Read more »

marsbar
marsbar

Im with Mystic on this. This guy is not a true alpha if he is talking about exes so soon. I think it is fine to talk about exes later but not when you are new. :/. He could be just awkward tho.

Jokerman
Jokerman

If a woman started talking about her Xs I’d be cross.

milleunanotteMM Member
milleunanotte

Awkward and Alpha – a winning combo 🙁

Scorpio_RisingMM Member
Scorpio_Rising

How soon is he talking about ex? pre-first date? on the first date?
First dates should be reserved about getting to know each other. I guess if divorced with kids it maybe unavoidable though.
Not sure I’d be keen on hearing about all the ex’s so soon.

A_J_MM Member
A_J_

I love you guys! Thank you so much for chiming in, all of you. 🙂 I wish, wish, wish I could divulge what happened in his past, but I really can’t right now, not until him and I talk…it’s a tragedy that happened to him and his family…and I found out by Googling…so he hasn’t told me yet…only alluded to it… I know he sounds bananas…and he may well be…the only way I will know is when we meet in person next weekend. I think he feels safe talking about his exes, as weird as that may sound, instead of… Read more »

PiMM Member
Pi

Remember that you’ve decided to meet him as much as he has decided to meet you. You have equal power and agency in this scenario. Maybe it’s worth using the clue-y scorpio energy in your chart to dive into your beliefs / why a particular manifestation of femininity is important to you, to a point where you seem to be feeling insecure because you believe that you may not pass as / be / have that? I’d have thought that a scorpy rising would have general mysterious allure as a factory setting without even trying btw! I was going to… Read more »

saturnplutofluxMM Member
saturnplutoflux

*LIKE*

flowerchild
flowerchild

I feel this. Everyone has gone away, and I’m actually fine with it. I’ve got a lot of more important things to focus on and the guys who were loosely orbiting in my life are just a distraction. Young Swedish loooooong distance pen pal has gone silent for now, but I would expect that because, how long can something like that go on, anyway? Other guy I recently went on a date with is away for the whole summer now….no biggie. I like him as a friend, but has way too much baggage to get deeply involved with. Also, this… Read more »

saturnplutofluxMM Member
saturnplutoflux

I’d like to thank Venus retro, the last few yrs of never ending Saturn transits, and Pluto hanging out on my natal Venus for this wonderful opportunity for some excruciating but incisive clarity around old behaviours and how they play out in ALL my relationships…. Seriously it’s like Marie Kondo got into my psyche and has been carefully but ruthlessly throwing out everything that “doesn’t spark joy” (loved her 1st book – listened to the audio version which, btw, is available for free on youtube for anyone who’s interested) Previously non-existent boundaries have been set and reinforced but with out… Read more »

saturnplutofluxMM Member
saturnplutoflux

that was meant to be a smiley face…?

saturnplutofluxMM Member
saturnplutoflux

actually it’s like this retro has given me a second chance with these relationships, an opportunity to get the dynamic right…wow. (sorry, just using the forum to workshop my psyche…)

torolocoMM Member
toroloco

This is good to hear. I thought I was on that path before the retro hit, but it only hit me with the worst of worst things. I never suspected the cheating, yet the signs were there. I didn’t want to believe them. I still don’t, but hey.

It’ll take me awhile to trust love again, but it makes me happy to know love is there for others xoxo

saturnplutofluxMM Member
saturnplutoflux

self love baby, self love (the non- narcissistic variety of course!)

ChrysalisMM Member
Chrysalis

Interesting isn’t it how the synchro has been turned up to eleven lately – at least that’s how it’s been for me. It seems to be that when I make the choices that feel right, the channels open. Amazingly enough I have only just connected these two things 🙂 The Triple Toro and I are back together and I’m very happy about it. Turns out I was miserable without him. Despite all my attempts to protect against risk, impose order and intellectualise, underneath it all I was just miserable without him. We talked a lot of stuff through, getting clearer… Read more »

saturnplutofluxMM Member
saturnplutoflux

yay! that’s something to celebrate 🙂

PiMM Member
Pi

This is amazing Chrysalis xx

AlouettaMM Member
Alouetta

That’s so lovely.

Jokerman
Jokerman

Ahhhh mazing.

quintileMM Member
quintile

xox best wishes

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

That’s beautiful to read. Good for you xxx

torolocoMM Member
toroloco

Finding out through the grapevine that my shady two-timing ex is attempting to have the other girl he cheated on move across the country to move back in with him? Despite what all her friends tell her? And whether I try or not, I’m still in the loop. Psychically, spiritually. (Sex with the ex dreams have not stopped.) There’s something odd going on and my healing meditations aren’t enough anymore. Is there a relationship exorcist around? Yeah, this Venus retro was a trip. More like a relapse. Guess I’ll have to wait til May for the mess to fully come… Read more »

ChrysalisMM Member
Chrysalis

OMG your ex – sounds like you dodged a bullet there.
A relationship exorcist – what a fabulous idea 🙂

saturnplutofluxMM Member
saturnplutoflux

what other transits are you having?

torolocoMM Member
toroloco

Heavy Chiron. Lots of healing from all angles. I’ve met so many spiritual types who have opened me up to trusting my intuition.

And definitely some Mercury/Saturn shizz in action. Feel like my patience with communication is pushing its limits. Plenty of car repairs and accidents in under a year alone…

saturnplutofluxMM Member
saturnplutoflux

oh god, that doesn’t sound fun…Are you on good terms with your ascendant energy? during my epic Saturn demolition I found that really shoring up and expressing my ascendant helped immeasurably. I think it has something to do with being the “public” you, it gives you a facade or scaffolding via which you can interact with the world, while the renovations cary on out the back..

CellistinaMM Member
Cellistina

*scribbles down furious notes* Not directed at me, but I’m listening Thank you for the advice!

torolocoMM Member
toroloco

My Ascendant is Pisces, conjunct Mars. Getting in touch with the spiritual helps. Being active helps.

saturnplutofluxMM Member
saturnplutoflux

well it sounds like you are onto it 😀 I have been thinking about asking mystic how does one deal with a waterlogged (i.e.. Pisces) Mars, but you would have personal experience…how DO you make the most of Mars in Pisces? Traditionally it’s supposed to be a bad placement , how do you find that it expresses?

flowerchild
flowerchild

I have Mars in Pisces on my MC. It made me a dancer.

saturnplutofluxMM Member
saturnplutoflux

ahahh – so was i…

pi
pi

oh I really like this. of course. Mars is how we act, initiate, move, etc. Pisces, = poetry, expression, music. makes sense!

yimyam
yimyam

Grow up mystic

saturnplutofluxMM Member
saturnplutoflux

???

Lucy
Lucy

What the hell?
Leaving aside this ridiculous comment, I can’t imagine how weird it would be to realise someone was plagiarising personal convos!

rachelMM Member
rachel

what an odd thing to say.

I had a huge love zombie episode with a gem male–also an actor–who I later found out was a borderline pathological liar–spinning wild tales with charm and charisma. Very sharp with words–just not realiable/consistent