When Transit Pluto Is Conjunct Your Lilith

When you have transit Pluto conjunct Lilith and you’re a talented creative, you access your anger and write rad essays like Tales Of A Japanese Hostess Bar.

My super-talented Triple Aquarius Mega Mystic member Anna Biller – the writer/director of The Love Witch has done an absolutely epic post that makes me think simply “Lilith transit”.  Or Lilith activated.

And it is. She’s Lilith in Capricorn trine Venus, Uranus, and Pluto. Pluto in Capricorn recently woke all of that up.

Lilith at the core is an angry woman, raging against the sexist system and the patriarchal industrial madonna-whore complex.

Transit Pluto Conjunct Lilith Dredges Up Righteous Rage

Called simply The Horrors of the Japanese Hostess Bar, it is evocative as fuq.

By their early twenties the girls start lying about their age, and by that time they start getting bad reviews on the online forums if they seem phony, unenthusiastic, strung out, or in any way a variation on the young, nubile, eager, clean, innocent, subservient, un-ironically man-worshipping Playboy bunny that men feel they are entitled to.

From the age of nineteen to the age of twenty I experienced that transition myself, from being the fresh young thing to being the used-up whore, although all I had really done to merit that new judgment was to become weary of the men and their bullshit and to be unable to hide it as well. I could tell, when I came back to work there the second year, that they all assumed I was strung out on drugs, doing tricks, and had no future. Their response to my imagined plight, and to my more mature understanding of the dynamics of the bar, was a unanimous disgust.

 

It’s taken years for me to get over the trauma that working in that bar caused me. The reason it was so traumatic is that I experienced men practicing mental cruelty and gender brainwashing en masse without even realizing it. Their entire goal in paying girls to talk to them or sleep with them seemed to be to destroy girls’ self-esteem one girl at a time, and to turn all girls into objects to be used for men’s pleasure and then ruthlessly discarded. It was like being in prison, in the sense that you are constantly reminded that you are worthless just by the reality of your situation. These men continually reinforced the notion that their desires and whims were more important than a girl’s very life.

 

When I First Took The Job, I Saw It As A Kind Of Performance Art

 

This is what objectification truly means.

 

When I returned to Los Angeles after that nightmarish semester working at that bar, my friends back at school were extremely judgmental. They lectured at me that it was wrong to take a job like that, as if it was my fault. It’s true that the experience changed me — for at least a year I felt that I should be paid every time I talked to a man — but what none of these male friends could grasp is that my life was intrinsically different from theirs.

 

That really was the only job I could get, and my mother before me at my age, and my older sister who was a single mother. This is due to a very real conspiracy to create an underclass of girls who are made for men’s pleasure and consumption, by ensuring that no other viable opportunities exist for them. When I first took that job I saw it as a kind of performance art, but over the months I was unable to maintain that distance or to properly dissociate, and the job became me; I became the job. It was like those harrowing postwar Japanese movies about prostitutes (STREET OF SHAME, WHEN A WOMAN ASCENDS THE STAIRS, THE LIFE OF OHARU, GINZA COSMETICS), all highly recommended films.

 

I Learned That My Life Was Valuable To Others Insofar As I Could Provide Men With Sexual Entertainment

 

Not only that, everything in my life had been funneling towards servicing men, including the way I’d been treated by nearly every boy and man I’d encountered since I’d reached puberty. It was as if I’d consulted the Oracle at Delphi, and the priestess had said, “Your life’s burden will be to please men at the expense of your own goals and identity.” The job had not felt like a chance happening, but like a destiny. The implicit lessons I’d already learned from men and boys, with their own pussy-grabbing, attempted rapes, sexist jokes, and belittling of girls’ minds and accomplishments, were the same as the lessons I learned at Club Subaru: namely, that my life was valuable to others only insofar as I could provide men with sexual entertainment.

 

You can read the rest here.

When you have transit Pluto conjunct Lilith, you contemplate the raw power dynamics of all your relationships. It’s not for leisure. It’s an inside alchemy job. And, in some cases, you get to turn it into the sort of searing words that heal and empower others.

 

Image: Club Subaru – Anna Biller

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vikingwomanMM Member
vikingwoman

Had to bump.this post….Lillith is in Cap a year after this original posted….and the full moon coming Jan 31 2018 hits my own Lillith in my first house….anticipating some major grrl power emergy during the eclipse…

jojobiieMM Member
jojobiie

Anna, you’re amazing! Absolutely loved The Love Witch <3

CatMM Member
Cat

That’s really powerful stuff. Thank you for sharing and thank you Lilith vibe for helping us bring so much of the unseen (like this) out into the surface.

MutableMabel
MutableMabel

I did sex work of this variety for about six years. This writing is very relatable, although I stayed for a long time and had many different cycles of understanding re: my job. Often, sex work was more tolerable for me than a regular job because the nasty gender roles/capitalism stuff was at least out in the open. With any other job, I’d have to pretend I didn’t notice it, and for much less money. This is an unacceptable state of affairs, specifically for women. However, men suffer under a capitalist patriarchy too.The customers in the club I worked at… Read more »

12th House Virgo
12th House Virgo

Yes. And its frustrating to see this backlash against feminism with the grab-em-by-the-pussy and boys-will-be-boys mentality as if we have all had enough of trying to be nice, now lets get back to getting what we want instead of realizing this getting-what-we-want is a carrot on a stick leading us all off a cliff.

LadyLehMM Member
LadyLeh

Wait, LIES! I punched in 2019 to astrodienst by mistake! In 2009 Lilith was initially conjunct Pluto, squaring my Saturn and at the end of my 6th house (ha!). During that year it crossed my descendant, opposed my moon, and made its way through my 7th house. Now THAT makes more sense than just strolling through the 9th house.

Though perhaps I’ll be having another kind of lighter feminine power adventure stroll in 2019…..

TripleLMM Member
TripleL

Damned Merc Rx. Lol.

LadyLehMM Member
LadyLeh

I must read the whole post at some point, but all I could think while reading this excerpt is that I wish I could now beam her to a different kind of paid ‘sensual’ experience, though I doubt she’d be up for it: working in a BDSM dungeon. That’s a complicated scenario, certainly, but after a year of working in one (at age 42, talk about feeling used up! But it was actually ok once I found my groove, and the younger ‘girls’ were some powerful goddesses – inspiring), I left with a new and profound sense of power and… Read more »

AlouettaMM Member
Alouetta

That sounds amazing. When I was much younger I wanted to be a dom but I don’t think I could have carried it then. 42 sounds like the perfect age for that role. Lilith on Pluto too – wowser!

WaterGemMM Member
WaterGem

Well – I for one would like to thank the goddess for that 🙂

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

Sorry
I really meant to stfu
I guess ill just never be that kind of girl 🙂

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

Her blog is full of incredibly insightful and relevant comment on many aspects of film but she shares with me an obsession with the use of narrative film as a device to belittle, degrade and normalize extreme violence against women. More interesting still is the post about male narcissism and film noir. I have been researching the topic of various types of psychology and violence against women and how especially in film noir the link between what Glasser called The Core complex, Freud was more focused on Oedipal but Melanie Klein and Janine Chasseguet-Smirgel, Weldon explore the link between creativity… Read more »

PiMM Member
Pi

I was staying at a place once where there were a few pulp novels on the shelf for whoever was there. Every Single One of them started with the scene of a grisly murder of a young woman. I was appalled. sure plot trope etc blah but every single book? hoping it was art research… i regret not throwing them in the bin when I left. I also left behind a non-murder-y novel for the next inhabitant. So, yes, it’s a totalising thought form… tarnishing the fuqing molecules of the world

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

Astrology related comment 🙂 Lilith (o) is conjunct my 12th house double Lilith “Halloween Corridor ” right now and Lilith (I) is in conjunction with my moon right now. Speaking strictly in transit o logical terms. Well, I suppose that and Uranus activating Chiron in the 5th explains my current obsession with this theme and the need to be writing about it virtually 24/7 recently. Obviously I’m naturally inclined toward writing both as therapy and because I prefer it to socialising (unless in great company and in the right frame of mind) this makes my being compulsively drawn to this… Read more »

GemyogiMM Member
Gemyogi

This post makes me weep. I hate that oppression happens, and not just to young women. Anyone who has less power in a power struggle is ripe for exploitation.

And I want to kill the oppressors.

‘Strangle the fascists with the chains they would have you wear’
Be like Princess Leia

Betty X
Betty X

YES!

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

I got words but too many of them and this isn’t my site. I loved this post and have been exploring this theme myself so it prompted three pages when I only popped in to say I loved the daily today and how exhausting is this weather? But rewarding if you’re working with it. I feel like I’ve been wrung out like a wet cloth being washed in the Ganges myself. Epic post though and loved reading the comments Is there some major Lilith transit I’ve forgotten about? I remember she was in Scorpio and yeah, mine are so that… Read more »

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

No words

marsbar
marsbar

Incredible story. Thank you for sharing. My friends who have lived in Hawaii tell me all sorts of stories from the crushing poverty of the native people to the wandering meth heads who attack wilderness campsites. I suspect glam tourist places all have seedy underbellies like Las Vegas.

PiMM Member
Pi

in the words of Walter White, “My eyes are OPEN.”

So good when you can finally see the matrix.

(the pop-culture equivalent of the mixed metaphor, hahaha)

Lindsey
Lindsey

This may not make it to the board but I read a credible report that in Japanese society it is not uncommon for mothers to sleep with their sons in order to relieve their sexual tension while the boys are competing at school. It is deemed a preferable alternative to the boys being distracted from their studies with girlfriends. If this is true and others have advised that it is, the practice would reinforce the whole societal construct mentioned in this post.

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

How very Eve-Ish
Better to reign in hell
Eden was so overrated

AugustaMM Member
Augusta

Hell yeah! Any woman who can work in a brothel or the like is damaged. Sane one’s can’t hack being invaded all the time, sucking up, pandering and the taste of rubber is hard to get rid of. I know, when I found myself unemployed once a few years ago I worked in one as a cleaner and general help. Never met so many unhinged women in one place. And as to the world is orientated around men’s desires and servicing them – yes. Films, ads, the relentless pressure to be skinny, “hot” and out there. Sexploitation.

MsMinaMM Member
MsMina

I’m sorry you had that experience, and respect that you did, but sex-workers are as varied and nuanced as the rest of the population. To say that sex-workers are inherently ‘damaged’ is perpetuating stereotypes and not helpful to anyone.

PiMM Member
Pi

thanks for saying this, i get so sick of the ‘poor thing’ ‘shame’ crap that goes on, as though every single woman in the industry is being pimped by some tyrant. It’s damaging because it people into some kind of rescue/tsk-tsk dynamic, this blanket of ignorance means that unless you’re in a very enlightened country, people won’t address the actual needs of women who chose to work in the industry for any reason ..you know, like basic job safety and OHS stuff (instead of “she should have known” and related garbage, guess what, roof tilers ‘should have known’ that gravity… Read more »

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

Fuck yeah

AlouettaMM Member
Alouetta

Yes, this! There’s a lot of different motivations for doing the work. Yes there are some screwed up people, but there are sane ones too. Vive la revolución de las putas!

fishgirlMM Member
fishgirl

Reading the story in its entirety on her website and it’s so well-written. So true, Thank you, Anna!

davidlMM Member
davidl

Living in the red light district in Sydney for years gives you an appreciation of the depths that people plum. Drug addiction, homelessness, loneliness and the vultures that feed on those issues. I have no idea why any woman who is not suffering one of those problems would ever consider working in the field. Not many survive it unscathed. Why walk into a minefield and complain about getting your foot blown off ?

PiMM Member
Pi

you’re coming from the perspective of someone who is aware of the pitfalls, and presumably, also has the cognitive and socio-economic capacity to handle them. We are not born knowing the depths of bullshit that exist in the world. You don’t have to be drug addicted, homeless, etc.

MsMinaMM Member
MsMina

I have been a sex-worker for six years. I’m not drug addicted, homeless, lonely, or being fed off by vultures. I do have a Masters degree and financial security. I disagree that not many ‘survive’ unscathed and I disagree with the victim blaming sentiments of your post. Some women, like the woman this post is about, enter the industry and experience trauma. Like SO MANY OTHER INDUSTRIES.

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

MinaMagdalena I don’t just like you.
I RESPECT YOU.

davidlMM Member
davidl

Good for you Mina I assure you I have no judgement on you or your profession. I’m only speaking of what I have witnesssed.

marsbar
marsbar

Because human brains are not fully developed until about 25 y.o. people make mistakes. In my country you can go die in a foreign war before you can legally drink alcohol. Seems crazy right? Why would anyone do it? Of course there are no shortages of under 25’s.

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

David sorry but honestly- you have no idea?
I think you’re smarter than that.

Year of the Phoenix
Year of the Phoenix

Agree! So bloody easy to generalise wildly.

The sex workers I have known personally were interesting, intelligent and entrepereral – all came to the industry to fund home ownership / education / creative dreams / retail shops

davidlMM Member
davidl

Look I’m sure that like any other profession there are people who can get the best out of it. The story above didn’t seem like one of them. I was referring to the post.

12th House Virgo
12th House Virgo

In the post she says it was the only place her mother could get work. That’s a pretty good reason for her mother and and pretty understandable reason why she would follow that path. I am watching Leah Remini’s show on Scientology and I keep wondering how anyone could believe that crap then I realize many children are indoctrinated into that system before they have the brain capacity to question it. Not saying sex workers can’t be empowered and make a healthy choice to engage, but when you are using a red light district as a reference for why –… Read more »

AlouettaMM Member
Alouetta

In the full story (really worth a read if you haven’t already) Anna mentions that two things stopped her being ‘that kind of girl’: self-belief and a safety net. But I think it’s just that those two things give you the ability to make choices. A number of my friends have dived in and out of sex-work and those two things gave them choices too. Without that it’s a different story. There are a bunch of people working the sex industry who don’t have those two things and this is literally the only thing they think they can do. And… Read more »

Lux Interior Is My Co-PilotMM Member
Lux Interior Is My Co-Pilot

Unionisation=hell yes.

The Germans went for legalisation, but the regulation of working conditions is proving the problem and it’s produced “hell on earth” apparently:

http://www.trauma-and-prostitution.eu/en/2016/11/02/the-german-model-is-producing-hell-on-earth/

fishgirlMM Member
fishgirl

This is amazing. Thanks for sharing, particularly love this line:
“It was like being in prison, in the sense that you are constantly reminded that you are worthless just by the reality of your situation.”

This is how i have felt in corporate roles, where the misogyny is just less outright. Love how honest this piece is. Love that she could put up with it no more!

Lux Interior Is My Co-PilotMM Member
Lux Interior Is My Co-Pilot

Great post, so powerful

Alouetta
Alouetta

This really resonated for me, for reasons I’ve described above. But I just have to add that I’m made really hopeful by this story because it is so honest, and it has insight into the bigger patterns at work. And that’s the only way to break a pattern, is to know it first! I’ve been getting my head around the links between systemic inequality and capitalism, but it seems like there is another layer that explains how systemic inequality occurs in non-capitalist societies (e.g. China – though some would say it isn’t as communist as it once was). If anyone… Read more »

flowerchild
flowerchild

I put this in my answer to you above, too…

Divide and conquer….. I think that is the missing piece you might be looking for when considering the effects of capitalism and patriarchy. You pit groups against each other and also people within groups, to cause intense competition and keep their eyes on fighting with each other, not the powers that be. So, even if the ‘powers that be’ are communists, not capitalists, divide and conquer still works to control the masses and keep them in fear of scarcity of resources, jobs, food, whatever..

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

Yup

AlouettaMM Member
Alouetta

Well it certainly worked in the massage parlour I worked in years ago. I think another element is secrecy. It’s hard to change being paid a third less than your male equivalent if you aren’t aware that this is happening in the first place. Transparency is the enemy of corruption, hence the dislike of ethics boards/consumer watchdogs/accountability, etc that conservative politicians seem to espouse.

CleverUserIDMM Member
CleverUserID

secrecy. yes. for a long time i felt extremely uncomfortable with “shaming” culture. but in cases like the one cited above, where an Instagram account was created to expose the myriad of ways in which men act abusively towards women behind the perceived anonymity of the internet, yes, this shines a light where in the past there has only been darkness, secrecy, and shame. the first thing an abuser makes clear is “don’t tell”. it’s time we start telling our stories, and through this, reclaiming our power, our voices, and making it clear that this will no longer be behavior… Read more »

em priceMM Member
em price

I love that you posted this. She is a true badass! There is so much value in taking inventory of the strange, subliminal degradations that occur, in addition to the gross examples. Sovereignty can be so easily chipped away, self-esteem drained right out of our toes for bizarre reasons that we were not even fully conscious ignored at the time. We always would have intellectually understood it as bullshit but there is something to the FEELING level of all of this that is where misogyny really desiccates its host femme. It corrodes often before we’ve had the chance to tease… Read more »

12th House Virgo
12th House Virgo

Yes!

cynthiaMM Member
cynthia

To my way of thinking, a Woman with her Body and Soul equates to the Earth, which is also Body and Soul. Rape a Woman=Rape the Earth. Not everyone sees the Earth as a Living Soul Being, however. Maybe the Earth too is objectified. Isn’t that the essence of objectification – that something or someone is only physical/concrete/usable for a purpose and with no other dimensions? Man is also Woman (ie with Body and Soul) overlaid and densified with weaponry (physical, psychological, intellectual) to combat and conquer the Earth for survival. control and power. Aka – ‘The pen is mightier… Read more »

NipMM Member
Nip

Gee this reads like a prayer – thank you Cynthia. Mystic – thank you for this – love the Anna Biller post so much and especially her comment at the end about ‘sharing stories’. About ‘going higher’ – yes yes yes – my boys are around 20 yrs old – sure not perfect – and sure I’m biased – but they are caring and astute young men as are their male friends and the girls in their friendship groups are honest plain speaking young people. Both boys and girls very much in their own truths and identities. I love being… Read more »

dark starMM Member
dark star

Wow that article is brilliant. Reminds me of a movie I watched this year called Jeune et Jolie in which a girl decides to engage in prostitution. Its v Lilith and compelling story

Ali
Ali

It’s not a man thing for me. I hope we’re coming out of a militant, angry pendulum swing into a more balanced and respectful attitude towards the divine masculine and feminine. There will always be stupid people who offend, oppress and dominate.

The biggest smack down my Lilith ever gave anybody was another woman. And she was an awful bitch who bloody well deserved it!

Ali
Ali

In saying that, I would like to be clear that it is not my intention to invalidate Anna’s experience, nor anybody else’s.

Alouetta
Alouetta

There was certainly a woman in Anna’s story (the bar manager) that was a user, and women in my own story too, but the world is still set up to benefit men at the expense of women, white people at the expense of non-white, etc. I mostly blame capitalism, but capitalism and the patriarchy go hand-in-hand. What I think is sad is how women will sell their own to get their own. Maybe it’s fear of poverty, maybe it’s an inability to see the big picture, but it’s always disappointing to me.

Jokerman
Jokerman

I think capitalism carries these hegemonies but so does communism. (The only ppl who owned cars in 60s China were, lo n behold, the party knobs and mandarins). However l don’t think it is inherent in a system of financial control; for that can be reduced to dry dogma that exists only on pages of paper.

It is the greed of society and, especially, it’s bullies that are of issue. They use that power to their own corrupt ends.

AlouettaMM Member
Alouetta

Yes, I was thinking of them too. I guess any political system can fall prey to people who seek power for its own sake. Still I think capitalism has it built in, while with communism it came about through its implementation through state apparatus. But I am an anarcho-feminist at heart!

flowerchild
flowerchild

Divide and conquer….. I think that is the missing piece you might be looking for when considering the effects of capitalism and patriarchy. You pit groups against each other and also people within groups, to cause intense competition and keep their eyes on fighting with each other, not the powers that be.

AlouettaMM Member
Alouetta

Yes, hence the real threat of feminism and other systems of thought when they take into account all the ways people can be divided and exploited. We are all one!

12th House Virgo
12th House Virgo

Yes! I hate that men feel hated when we discuss the objectification of women. Its a thought system and a political system that is older than any man alive today – no one man is to blame – and it is as demeaning to men as it is women when you consider we are all one. It should not be reduced to a us-vs-them fight. That said – there are places in the world where women are not allowed to drive. Let’s not pretend there isn’t a power structure alive in the world that denies women basic rights. Its great… Read more »

GemyogiMM Member
Gemyogi

This reminds me of a tweet I saw recently —

“Why do feminists hate men?”
How did a women’s rights movement become so fucked up to the point that it’s still all about men?

marsbar
marsbar

Same here. More angry that she was betrayed by another woman. Another commenter connected the patriarchy with economics. For sure, yes! Goes even further though…Factory farmed animals, the way elderly are treated, etc…

ElectroMM Member
Electro

I was thinking along the same lines. I get the patriarchy, male themed stuff but females can really come from a place of crass manipulation. Wasn’t sure how to comment after a story that is definitely about makes so thanks for bringing it up. It’s the power balance… NN libra 12th house here. Can’t stand any type of power play.

ElectroMM Member
Electro

Males not makes, sorry AC of course

flowerchild
flowerchild

Oh wow, this story makes me rage! Grrrrr! It just distills down to the essence everything that is effed up in the dynamics between men and women on this planet… I wish for a planet where these ‘Hostess Bars’, and other awful things, such as sex trafficking, didn’t have to exist. Why do we have to try to destroy other people’s humanity and sense of self worth and self esteem? These issues are so ‘up’ for me and I think for so many women these days, it seems. Especially since mr. ‘pussy grabber’ has become our prez, I think it… Read more »

CleverUserIDMM Member
CleverUserID

thank you for this. i needed to re-empower myself after online dating. it carved out a well of humiliation and rage in me i never thought possible. until it taught me to take back my power. to state my opinions meant i opened myself up to abuse from perfect strangers who felt it was A-OK to say things like “no wonder you don’t have a man” because i had the audacity to state who i was and what i wanted rather than act the demure man pleasing flower. i have never, NEVER been more thoroughly disgusted by the male species… Read more »

12th House Virgo
12th House Virgo

Online dating is awful. It reduces human beings to a item to be put in a shopping cart – both genders. Although I do feel men have no expiration date on those sites whereas if you are a +40 woman they act as if they are doing you a favor by agreeing to consider f*qing you and expect gratitude for considering doing it once. That said – there is a cultural component to what this woman is talking about that I feel is being missed here. The way women are treated in Australia and the US is not the same… Read more »

PiMM Member
Pi

yes, the wake-up call, this sounds a bit like a persephone journey too? our own underworld that we buy into without realising. 19-20 is young. I think i crossed this threshold in my mid 20s to early 30s, and then through academia-land went heavily into the writings thinkings and theories that really expanded my comprehension of the psychology of conquest and dominion, ‘power is capillary’ (best statement ever thanks Mr F). If you can convince someone they are worthless from a young age, – non verbally – culturally – behaviourally – mortal and social threats – you don’t have to… Read more »

dark starMM Member
dark star

It’s all about cracking the inner programming! Yay Lilith

Ssylka
Ssylka

“These men continually reinforced the notion that their desires and whims were more important than a girl’s very life.” Certainly been my impression on a relatively different but as real level and what is really disturbing, is that this is a global phenomena. The current is changing, but a lot of these attitudes that men are inherently more important than women run very deep with men and women. In my observations/experience the only fellow human beings who sincerely care about women are very young boys (under 10) and very old men (over 85) (unless their mother told them when they… Read more »

Jokerman
Jokerman

I’m confused. I’m not sure if I’m 9 or 86.

sphinxMM Member
sphinx

While I get this scene, I think the feeling of hopelessness is the biggest danger to our welfare. I too have had times where I suffered in a situation and let it happen. I was scared to speak up or move on because I feared poverty, abandonment or being outcast. As I got older I realise it was an illusion I co-created myself. I could have stuck to my guns, but I was terrified. I could have sat in my poverty and seen what happened next instead of being governed by fear. Instead of doing what I knew was the… Read more »

Jokerman
Jokerman

Nuanced and balanced.

I often feel bad just because I’m a man. And the worst I’ve ever done is written an unwelcome love letter; after 5 months of flirtations. I feel like bashing all these bastards;
1: so that they learn to respect to respect women (if they can’t work it out themselves) and
2: us men who don’t, don’t get second guessed.

Jokerman
Jokerman

Of course I’m not meaning real violence but this is such a wide societal frustration. Many ppl affected on so many levels….and so deeply.

But there should be meanigful and stringent deterrents. Like 40 years for rape or have em cut cut out. Choice is yours son.

sphinxMM Member
sphinx

I hear you. It’s a mystery to me how a person can feel entitled to the degree many humans do that they feel they deserve to be able to take from others.
Really some have such a misplaced sense of confidence.
I get the sense that most people are deeply frustrated by the light sentences for sexually abusive crimes.

marsbar
marsbar

I have heard that chemical and physical castrations don’t really work. The crimes then become more violent and twisted which doesn’t surprise me because many feel rape is not a sex problem, it’s a power /anger problem.

Jokerman
Jokerman

Well, whatever is effective.

I don’t think a lot of what is done in courts offer enough protection to innocent parties. It seems the law protects property more than people.

My Uranity make me aware of how many are affected by the blatant unfairness of ineffective actions.

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

No You are a rare and special person and you aren’t valuing yourself. Stop second guessing yourself. You didn’t choose to be born as a man and you haven’t grown into a bad person who abuses that power just because you can. That takes strength and depth and courage. You got 99 problems but being part of a misogynistic rape culture ain’t one. The world needs men like you so desperately it hurts. If you look up and take pride in who and what you are I think you’ll find lots of interesting, intelligent women wouldn’t think twice about dating… Read more »

Jokerman
Jokerman

I’ve the Sun AND Uranus in the 1st. I don’t hide my Uranity and my Neptunianess or my Plutocracy. I present a warts n all persona. I don’t care for subterfuge; right or wrong. I’m still smarting over the Pisces who disappeared. It was good….then nothing. I was mutaballed. Distance was def a problem. Unavailable….as in they’re not ready as well; dunno. Plus l dont rate myself as Mr Suavo and l look like the north end of a south bound camel. Just being honest and self-deprecating. Maybe there is something to these ongoing lives thing afterall. More to think… Read more »

Alouetta
Alouetta

I think it’s easier to feel that way with the benefit of hindsight and age. People who get used when they are young and naive shouldn’t blame themselves. The people who are screwing them are the problem. But then, growing older has made me less forgiving of other peoples’ bullshit.

sphinxMM Member
sphinx

Yes I agree, tho I am not saying she did anything wrong! I guess I am commenting just that she didn’t listen to her gut – likely because no one taught her how to faith in herself, in Spirit, or her ability to get past this situation.

I just wish all children were taught these things, because they form the basis for a good life.
Hopefully there is enough confidence left to bypass bitterness and feel strong enough to be vulnerable again when we experience such overwhelming disappointment in humanity.

AlouettaMM Member
Alouetta

Oh I didn’t think you meant that! And yes, I wish kids (espesh girls) were taught to trust their gut and say ‘no’ more often. Though sometimes you’ve just got to chalk it up to experience.

flowerchild
flowerchild

We have to teach men to respect women as equals, not just teach women to say ‘no’ more often…that’s not going to cut it. It’s not all women’s responsibility to prevent themselves from being exploited.

Rape culture needs to be broken down from all sides, it’s not just up to women.

http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/04/rape-culture-dating/?utm_content=buffer8108a&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

AlouettaMM Member
Alouetta

I didn’t say we shouldn’t do that as well, but have a think about how women are taught to be compliant and agreeable – this is the other side of the coin.

12th House Virgo
12th House Virgo

Where in this story is she not listening to her gut? She is talking about taking a job out of economic necessity and not realizing how much it impacted her self esteem until later.

Triple Air GemMM Member
Triple Air Gem

Ah, the old Madonna and Whore complex. Fuk it shits me!

This is the best thing I’ve read in ages and totally sums up what’s been whirling around my head the last month or so.

I’ve got Lilith conj MC in tenth. Had a recent Lilith return too. Sooo much fury at this dynamic that I’ve been writing about it too…

Thanks for sharing xx

willowrockwell
willowrockwell

I am actually bored of this commentary…….the only way to move beyond is to go above.

willowrockwell
willowrockwell

Mercury in retro ha!

WaterGemMM Member
WaterGem

Could you give a specific example or two what you mean by “go above”? (Natal Lilith conj MC needs to know)

willowrockwell
willowrockwell

If we keep seeing ourselves as victims, we attract more circumstances to keep us in that archetype. Lilith wants us to be sexy, powerful, self respectful and worthy! It is my opinion that it is all an inside job, and we have to play the hands we are dealt to the best of our ability. Keep reaching for the higher self and our highest destiny path…

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

So then you’ve had similar experiences in your own life and you feel that based on these shared experiences she is casting you and herself as a victim? Because I feel like she has as much right as you do to tell her story and I think in doing so she’s being incredibly brave. Rather heroic in fact and your dismissal of her work, and by work I mean writing and turning her pain into creativity as “boring” comes over as a little defensively hostile in a pass agg kind of way. Sorry but I know you’re a public figure,… Read more »

dizzarinaMM Member
dizzarina

Amen.

It’s easy to say ‘rise above’ when you’re already above.

I know what it feels like to be out of options. It is called being in survival mode, and you do what you have to to keep a roof over your head.

This smug bourgeoise should count her blessings. She obviously hasn’t had to live this way.

The Year of the Ohoenix
The Year of the Ohoenix

Wonderfully nuanced and thoughtful response

MutableMabel
MutableMabel

PREACH.

Ali
Ali

Lovely, stern yet sensitive response, Invicta. Thank you.

12th House Virgo
12th House Virgo

Yes! Thank you, Invicta!

Isobel Dust
Isobel Dust

Great response. People need to check their privilege.

12th House Virgo
12th House Virgo

Your comment reads to me like you are dismissing all cultures in the world besides your own and that you see yourself and your experiences as the center of the universe. I hope you can see that as problematic, but if you are all about manifesting everything you want for yourself – you know, super spiritual – I doubt you can. Oh – I bought a charcoal shower filter because of some write up on you. Waste of money. Odd that charcoal shower filters and the like are key to my empowerment but a woman talking about her experience working… Read more »

dizzarinaMM Member
dizzarina

Ooh. That was a very satisfying read. Thanks, 12thHV.

Isobel Dust
Isobel Dust

A+

willowrockwell
willowrockwell

We are not victims.

willowrockwell
willowrockwell

I am tired of this commentary…….the only way to move beyond is to go above.

Year of the Phoenix
Year of the Phoenix

So many thoughts! My Lillith at 20 Cancer is about to have the mother of a full moon! I worker as a massage therapist in the late 80s in Brisbane, a hippy chick with a deep belief in natural therapies. I feel like I was lucky to get out without being raped. Our boss Malcolm would have us working 12 hour days – 4 days on 4 days off, never tell any customers we were not prostitutes and send us off to faraway suburbs at night in taxis… First time the guy answered the door in a towel with a… Read more »

Jokerman
Jokerman

That boss was a shithead. He must’ve, my supposition, hoped to make more money through devious means.

Year of the Phoenix
Year of the Phoenix

His MO was to string the men (it was always men) along by not admitting that there would be no sex acts it was therapeutic massage only even when asked directly even hint that this might be the caseand, then send you off by yourself in a taxi to whoever wherever and let you fend for yourself.

The cost was $100 and we would get $25

Alouetta
Alouetta

Holy cheesus I worked for Malcolm in the early 90’s! Red-headed nudist headfuqer? He turn the staff against each other. Tell all the girls that ‘someone’ had done ‘so and so’ and because of that everyone would pay for it. Also he’d say he ran a clean establishment – one that opened until midnight in the Valley. The hands that I would have to fend off on a regular basis. Plus being driven to god-knows-where to massage scary men in the burbs. It was a nightmare. A few years later I worked for Diamonds and Pearls – another establishment that… Read more »

Year of the Phoenix
Year of the Phoenix

Yep that’s him alright

We probably worked together or perhaps on the other team he had going and yes to the mind fucks and manipulations – yuck!

We staged a walk out! First and only time I have been a party to a mutiny and it was great!! Ended up hitchhiking to Nimbin to my brothers place and have never felt sooooo freeeee!!!!

Fun fact the restaurant downstairs is called “Bubbles” cashing in on the cache

Alouetta
Alouetta

I think I lasted 3-4 months and then quit. Good to hear of the walk out! He was revolting. Though I met this lovely Maori lady working there who was an ex-madam from the Fitzgerald-inquiry era. Oh the stories she had.

Year of the Phoenix
Year of the Phoenix

Not surprised at all! I think he probably run less new age style massage “parlours” previously. He was still building those God awful walls when I started. That would explain the court cases and the dodginess

It was seriously empowering to see through his machinations and tell him how and when we wanted to work and when he flat out wouldn’t half of us told where to put his job! Total multiple Lillith moment!

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