Carrie Fisher Was A Neptunian

Filed in Neptune

“You see, even after decades of therapy and workshops and retreats and twelve-steps and meditation and even experiencing a very weird session of rebirthings, even after rappeling down mountains and walking over hot coals and jumping out of airplanes and watching elephant races and climbing the Great Wall of China, and even after floating down the Amazon and taking ayahuasca with an ex-husband and a witch doctor and speaking in tongues and fasting (both nutritional and verbal), I remained pelted and plagued by feelings of uncertainty and despair. Yes, even after sleeping with a senator, and waking up next to a dead friend, and celebrating Michael Jackson’s last Christmas with him and his kids, I still did not feel—how shall I put this?—mentally sound.”

Carrie Fisher, Shockaholic

Carrie Fisher was a Neptunian and even if Neptune did not break her heart, it sure as hell tired it out. She was always open – some would say to a practically shamanic degree – about her various battles with addiction, drugs, the Lilac Wine, mental illness and all.

What do i mean by shamanic? In ancient traditions, the shaman is someone who would journey into other realms to negotiate or clear crap out at an ethereal level, on behalf of the patient or petitioner. They would interpret omens and dreams, intuit cures.  Her celebrity & security as a member of an old Hollywood dynasty lent her strength to speak candidly about taboo subjects in such a style that a discussion was opened and people felt augmented in their similar struggles.  At least, i think this is how it worked in part.

She was Sun conjunct Neptune with Mars in Pisces at an interesting angle to her Mercury in Libra. Though i appreciate that to many she was an icon because of her Princess Leia role in Star Wars, i don’t personally align with that so much and reprising that role in the latest Star Wars – with all the talk and publicity obligations that generated – WAS her 2nd Saturn Return. AKA potentially a massive stress factor. Albeit a lucrative one.

But honestly, for an introvert with dignified Capricorn Rising and an exalted home-body Moon in Taurus, would it really have been that much of a buzz having to travel around and to talk about how, no, she wasn’t as hot now as forty years ago or salacious details about having had sex with Harrison Ford/worn underwear/whatever?

Really, she was a genius writer and (i just learned this) script editor.

“Sometimes she’d just walk around the city alone. Watch the people, smell the food, the bus exhaust, the smoke coming up through the grating. She’d feel protected somehow, found a sense of belonging in the hectic sprawl. And the next minute she’d feel like the one who couldn’t break the code, hit the right stride, catch the wave. Potholes and traffic and bums, oh my. With all the honking and the hum of movement, the living, breathing blur of noise gently pressing in on her, the great purr of the Metropolitan Cat turning into a dull roar. She’d feel so silent on the inside, her head as quiet as a stretch of sand, a cathedral silently worshipping the life that was all around her, storing it up for later when she needed some ‘too much’ to draw upon.”

Carrie Fisher, Surrender the Pink

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Saoirse Kirke
Saoirse Kirke

This time it’s personal 2016.

Togi
Togi

Neptune on Asc in Scorpio. That snippet from her book made me shiver. It’s like she got inside my head. Not many people do that.

Redlipstick Virgo
Redlipstick Virgo

I loved her as Marie in When Harry Met Sally – she just seemed the epitome of a cool cool woman in that role – and that’s what she was – a cool woman.

Invicta
Invicta

I saw her roasting George Luckas on YouTube- some Facebook link my brother put up and she was wonderful. Such a cynical, no nonsense, in your face reminder to Hollywood of truth it would have preferred to forget or gloss over or replace with someone younger and thinner and God how refreshing her outspoken stance on mental illness and alcoholism and addiction was. I’ll miss her candour and 13th fairy-esq sense of humour. I realise how much I identify with her now she’s passed and how important she was. Finally someone willing to BE inconvenient and smart and funny in… Read more »

Libra9
Libra9

I love Carrie Fisher as Princess Leia but more especially as a writer. I wonder why those like her with immense talents and gifts have to squash themselves down to fit into the “normal reality” so desired by the majority? I’ve spent the past few years breaking off the shackles of “normal” but most people I know do not comprehend a life outside the 9-5 slog. Had a session with my psychic life coach today and all is progressing as it should. What about Debbie Reynolds? Couldn’t live a day without her amazing daughter. What a bond. Totally on point… Read more »

Corrina
Corrina

Yeah I have to say that Star Wars shaped my entire youth. I was 8. I had been born and raised in a small village called Anafiotika, just at the base of the Acropolis and outside the bustle of Athens. I had never really watched TV. I came to Australia as a 5 year old … and this movie just exploded my mind. Mum says it was the first time she’d seen me sit still and be quiet for over 2 hours. That sound! The rumbling of a Corellian starship looming in from above. I was gobsmacked. Stunned and awed.… Read more »

Invicta
Invicta

Yes!
She was way ahead of her time in many ways and so brave. She was one of those rare people who could be honest and critical of the establishment because she had tenure.
She was woven into the tapestry but no way was she letting it tie her down. Or shut her up!
I already miss her “I’m here and I’m inconvenient ” vibe
I’m actually quite saddened by her passing.
Not your average Hollywood princess. Not even close.

Betty X
Betty X

“I liked Princess Leia, because she snubbed the sexy Han, told the “walking carpet” Chewie to get out of her way, told Darth & Tarkin they stank and knew her way around a gun. She was not a passive ingenue, she didn’t have a tan, her name was not Kylie or Karen, she was not blonde, she didn’t kiss arse.”
yes, a true bad-ass not a doormat “princess” stereotype.

embarkons7
embarkons7

Beautiful appreciation, Mystic. I saw Star Wars as a kid and what not, but I first really became aware of Fisher as an inspiring, acerbic person in the 90s when I was between him and the Independent film Channel would show “postcards from the edge” all the time. One thing I thought about with this news is how a lot of the heavy duty psychotropic medications which she took cause or contribute to cardiac problems. And all the ways in which our culture doesn’t nourish its shamans and all that causes, whether through substance abuse or illegal drugs … Sending… Read more »

embarkons7
embarkons7

*the 90s when I was a tween
(Autocorrect arrr)

Unicorn Sparkles
Unicorn Sparkles

I was hoping she would pull through. That she would be the one who didn’t succumb to the 2016 celebrity reaper. I baulked at early obits while she still hung on.

2016 has an edge like the end of childhood.

embarkons7
embarkons7

So here’s a cool analysis re: the 2016 celebrity reaper — it’s partly baby boomers are getting to the age where they have more health complications and crises; partly that during that generation television (&c) expanded the reach and the amount of famous iconic people: http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-36108133

Gemyogi
Gemyogi

Yes I felt from her writing that she delved deep and brought up pearls from the depths. Much like persephone and those goddesses who journeyed to the underworld. Definitely a shaman.

Vale Carrie and Deborah xx

Gemyogi
Gemyogi

Ps. 2016, enough is enough!
Saw on twitter ‘it’s becoming more and more obvious that David Bowie has established a better alternative reality and is selectively populating it one by one!’

Invicta
Invicta

Starman? Life on Mars? Planet Ziggy? Hard not to find it an attractive option right now tbh What a weird night last was Just read of Debbie Reynolds declaration 15 minutes before she died that she’d like to join Carrie or be with her again and PING or ZAP. Spooky stuff Then again I think I’m fairly spook proof after 2016. Glad that dark moon is behind us. Was quite the churn- had a smudging induced carpet fire in my bedroom that almost went very wrong and woo woo credipty dreams all night. Rather too neptunian for my liking. Is… Read more »

Gemyogi
Gemyogi

Yes I’m feeling the weirdness and ghosts from the past but not in a scary way. Just walked home from my sister’s house to mum and dad’s it’s been oppressively humid all day and thunderstorms, now there’s sheet lightening but no thunder or rain. It feels very uranian. Saw a news story about Uluru being deluged by rain, now closed with waterfalls cascading down. I’ve heard it’s either the heart Chakra of Australia or the throat Chakra of earth. Either way it feels like a cleansing or clearing!

Pegasus
Pegasus

It is mid winter in England. I found it deliciously spooky-magical in winter.
Fire in the carpet?
Guess that’s one way of cleansing, BURN any bad vibes away, overcome them with smoke so they leave tout-suite.
I wish you sweeter dreams Frank as they often affect the next day’s mood.
LIght a candle in your heart for love 🙂

Invicta
Invicta

Xxx

davidl
davidl

My favoirite Carrie scene with Balushi in Blues Bros.

https://youtu.be/ftt4f2H3GDs

Augusta
Augusta

Awsome post Mystic! Bloody hell you rock

dark star
dark star

Love that paragraph and the idea of Carrie as a word shaman, weaving through the private and public realms.

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

Oh that Mercury in Libra is a fine crack through your heart! Articulate thinker.

paetraT
paetraT

A wonderful tribute ???

paetraT
paetraT

I didn’t put the ???. Somehow they seem to appear after my comments here ?

Leogroover
Leogroover

Love that ” silent as a stretch of sand”

Universali
Universali

That line really grabbed me too…

Z
Z

Her mom just passed away, I just can’t believe all these deaths honestly. It’s overwhelming.

Jokerman
Jokerman

Was she Neptunian too?!?
That is freaky stuff.

Being a Neptunian is a hard road considering the Nebulosity.
I’m not a SW fan so l missed her career. But seeing withering tongue in action is a hoot.

Pegasus
Pegasus

I saw many of her mother’s movies from the 50’s. Much singing and dancing and wholesomeness from Debbie Reynolds. She blonde American pie and married an Italian-Jewish club crooner-movie star named Eddie Fisher. Flaky.
They both smiled a lot on the screen, like constantly fake grins from ear to ear is what i remember.
Poor Carrie.

Jokerman
Jokerman

Singing n dancing movie stars??? Not my cup of tea. Apparently he went comfort ET a bit too intimately.

DR dying aft CF, reminds me of one my fave Pisces dying 3 months after his Kataka wife died. June Carter / Johnny Cash. He fell in love with her listening to her on the radio very young. It was a romance for the ages.

Sounds like something I’d do.

Pi
Pi

I never knew any of this. She sounds so fab. My Saturn things want to learn from successful neptunians.
Just realised that’s an expression of cap moon sextile Pisces Sun isn’t it. A successful neptunian. Carrie Fisher rest in peace and thank you for belatedly becoming one of my muses… <3

Pegasus
Pegasus

Get a copy from your Library of ‘Post Cards from the Edge’, Pi.
Worth a read if you have the time to spare. Book better than movie-movie quicker 🙂

rachel
rachel

As a writer and interview guest She was so hilarious and easy to understand in a way, I was surprised to find her third house empty.

I love how she has conjunctions straddling between two signs–Saturn and the north node, sun and Neptune, and part of fortune and pluto

cad267@hotmail.com
cad267@hotmail.com

Debbie Reynolds & Carrie Fisher Do you think that Debbie Reynolds & Carrie Fisher were inexplicably intertwined? I mean apart from being Mother & Daughter. They seem to have such a tumultuous relationship and yet one of unconditional love! Twin Souls?

Gemyogi
Gemyogi

Yes

Pegasus
Pegasus

It’s like a Greek Tragedy.Like mythological movie of Neptune’s (Hollywood) Chess Board Game.
The pieces being moved around. New territory for Carrie as a teenager having to navigate life with two Idols as parents.
Shades of the title of a book ‘My Mother Myself’…who wrote that now?
Stream of consciousness, Yogi.
Not 2017 yet and even more are going to Neptune or Pluto or the Milky Way….where eva 🙂

Gemyogi
Gemyogi

Nancy Friday. Called a daughter’s search for identity. I remember that book!

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

Loved that book! Was lent it by my own mother when i was ten and hung onto it until i was fourteen.

I sense a LOT of karmic love between that mother-daughter connection. It’s funny how the daughter can also feel quite protective of the mother in amongst the barbs inflicted. Fisher, despite her haunting self-doubt, was very much her own woman, her own person. And i think when one experiences their own personhood in such a raw and heart-smashingly vivid way, one begins to understand the very person that is also in Mother.

fishgirl
fishgirl

Very lovely. Yes, I thought she was so powerful on the page, so eloquent and poetic and beautiful. I had no idea she was still acting, to be honest. I loved her honesty about all the treatments she had for her depression (I read in one piece that she found electro shock therapy the most effective).
Her quotes swing between razor-sharp ahead-of-the-zeitgeist feminism and pure poetry.

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