Lilith Rules

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So there it was, I was alive, I had survived.
No one saved me, because I saved myself.

— Puran Chand –  Memoirs From The Past

The synergy between Rebel “Bitch” Goddess Lilith and Maverick Cosmic Doctor Chiron is intense for the next three weeks.  Look for opportunities to heal thyself, especially the outsider aspects of your psyche.  I got an epic rant from a subscriber re Lilith – the first wife of Adam before Eve – and i post it below, along with some other Lilith type inspo.

When Lilith – already potent in Scorpio – is aligned with Chiron, you don’t repress or deny any areas where you’re isolated. If you’re single, face it, relish it, go there.  FYI Lilith spends most of 2017 in Sagittarius – a lot of people are going to be facing their ‘being alone’ fears and doing what they wilt.  It’s not that Lilith is anti-relationship but her archetype is defiantly the sort of compromises and casting exacted by conventional hook-ups or alliances.

In a world in which the ideal romance is sold to us as a commodity along with leisure or mindfulness or insurance, it can be hard to access, let alone embrace, Lilith Vibe. Especially if you’re female.

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Free download Bitchcraft – my Lilith e-book here. You just need to be logged in to get to this page.

The Wikipedia list of Solitary Animals.  Apart from raising their offspring, they’re prowling around the tundra/savannah/where-ever solo, not wanting a bar of the tribe.

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“Lilith embodies the presence of an archaic form of feminine strength that ignores any patriarchal discourse of power and dominance and allies itself with those forces that affirm life itself.”

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Hi Mystic,

I’ve been thinking about Lilith. I have her (asteroid) conjunct my Sun/IC by a degree and I only recently have been able to identify with her. But now that I see it, it’s through my fucking marrow.

Thinking of Lilith’s myth; she asks to lay on top of or beside Adam and refuses to lay beneath him.
Why does Adam freak out over this? Why is he so threatened by equal feminine energy? Why is he only okay with a lesser woman? Why is Adam not strong enough for an equal partner? Everyone freaks out so fucking much cause dude can’t handle it, God steps in and creates Eve– it’s like rewarding Adam for throwing his toys out of the pram.

It strikes me that Adam has some major fucking mama wounding himself. In the healing of the Lilith archetype and energy that is SO important right now, shouldn’t we consider the healing the Divine Masculine (or human not-so-divine Masculine) as well? How can men heal through their own insecurity that leads to rejection of feminine energy?

My own Animus is super fucking wounded and terrified of my own femininity. Like TERRIFIED, abuses my own femininity or wants to. I learned from my narcissist father and am only now realizing that it only his own deep inferiority complex- deeply wounded masculine energy- that led to to his rejection of me and my mother’s feminine selves.

And I know how much a sense of helplessness in masculine energy can manifest as overt acting-out and violence. Hence my deep-seated terror of men, I’ve seen it and lived it. And my own anger… my own Lilithian rage at it all, at the insecurity of a man that can’t handle me being ME. Yes I’d rather be alone than pretend anymore.

So, considering these archetypes– Adam’s insecurity and Lilith’s rage– where does healing begin? As a collective can we work toward healing both the femininine and the masculine? How can we do this?

This myth has been playing out in the shittiest way in the collective. I don’t believe in darkness or demons that aren’t just manifestations of repression and rejection. I’ve lived in the darkness and felt the rage and isolation and I am no demon. Do you see a solution? I want to work together on this- masculine and feminine. We need this, and it has NOT SERVED ANYONE for women to live out as passive Eve’s… and it’s not serving anyone for Liliths to live out as She-Demons hiding in caves.

THANK YOU MYSTIC for being a voice for Lilith.

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bossladyMM Member
bosslady

All women are angry…the ones who say “I’m not angry!” – those ones are the angriest of all! All women the world over have been put through shit: we’re paid less (on average); we’re told to just be “sugar and spice and everything nice” and not show the other 87 emotions; some of us are abused and undefended; we’re told that our bodies are too sexy/ not sexy enough (there’s never just plain ol acceptance); we’re told that men want our pussies, but that our pussies are also vile and disgusting (spitting out babies, bleeding, cumming in strange ways). Yes,… Read more »

CentaurusMM Member
Centaurus

I think it’s just the wound of separation whether it’s male or female and we all have a side we prefer to lead with but we all have the other side as well. Sometimes we acknowledge it, sometimes we don’t. Sometimes it’s selective to suit agendas or prop up war stories or old beliefs. Sometimes it’s the work our soul chose and it’ll take us our lives to process it. There are more reasons why than I can list and is for each soul themselves to say. I agree. Nobody raises their consciousness, heals or moves on until both aspects… Read more »

Jokerman
Jokerman

Agreed. If you get acid in your eye you should neutralise with water. If you attempt neutralisation with an alkali you may pour that on an unaffected area causing 2 types of problems instead of one. Fine in theory; abject in practice.

In my thinking and actions, as far as I can affect, I am not part of any ism. I just try to show respect for everybody.

CentaurusMM Member
Centaurus

I’m aware it’s an easier walk in theory rather than practice. I’m also not without my own story and experiences which I choose to keep to myself or within a smaller group, typical of a dominant 8th house… perhaps the stories are too (wry smile). I’m also aware of your story PF and your courage to transcend it. That’s in some respects what I’m referring to: spirit transcends mundane. Still it remains easier to type than walk. Nobody gets out of here alive, everybody has likely been their opposite gender in physicality in one life or another, everyone has been… Read more »

Jokerman
Jokerman

so very true

Mme Chat
Mme Chat

My own experience with Lilith is that at the core of her is ecstasy, which is not dependant of anyone nor anything, is raw, primal, unashamed. She wants (demands, is the better word) to be on equal footing with every other value by which we live.
I have her, the asteroid, on the north node. Or, if we’re talking true lilith, on Regulus.
That’s why i’ll make her Queen.
Love and healing to everyone

Saoirse KirkeMM Member
Saoirse Kirke

help please my vernacular is broken

“HEY IT’S TIME TO TOTALLY BUNG ON THE CHARM AND HYPER-GUSH.”

Catherine
Catherine

Lilith in Sag along with my north nose. Just do don’t fence me in! Or try to take my things/money can’t stand needy men who want strong women to sort out their business problems…also Moon and Venus in Aries 5th house, Moon conjunct Eris. I am celibate now but in the past I would eat em up and spit em out lol. Got married once, thought I would suffocate!

Catherine
Catherine

ha ha ha node not nose

scorpiodawnMM Member
scorpiodawn

wow..hygeia almost on my sun amd nearly lillith too…..yes ive got the running shoes out again!

Pegasus
Pegasus

Solo act that’s me. Felt like i has already had 5 marriages by age 28 so i said goodbye to Country and ex lovers to explore the East then Europe. Mars i sitting on top of natal Lilith as time to look at chart with such synchronicity of thought to astro. My glass outdoor table shattered into a squillion pieces with the hailstones but at least the market umbrella was saved in one piece not snapped in half like storm before last. Convinced i’m a weather witch. New glass table ordered immediately as outdoor time is my healing time, it… Read more »

Pegasus
Pegasus

Alice A Walker said a Womanist is Feminist as Lavender is to Violet.
They prefer woman’s company and ideaologies but have sex with men for the physical aspect and/or for healing purposes…not a vertabim quote btw.
Exact words escape me.
I’m sure many of us here get it and live it.

Pegasus
Pegasus

Natal Lilith in Aqua mindset much.

Pegasus
Pegasus

And LILITH is sitting atop CHIRON!!!
Jeez no wonder felt the urge to look at present chart.
Myst you are Just a Genii with tuning into the zeitgeist.
LOVE YOU big as the biggest moon we had.
IT was bright crystal clear at 1 am when it zapped me whilst taking Daisy for her nocturnal pee.

MutableMabel
MutableMabel

When I did a whole bunch of automatic writing three or so years ago, my animus had his say and wowww was he angry with me. Also I felt so much contempt for him. He told me he was Guy Fieri, lol. Eventually we found some similar goals to work on. I let him pick my next (and current) partner. Now my nurturing of the masculine without losing myself is an external thing, and I am hard at work on that in a manifest way. But I couldn’t do that work before reconciling it inside. My Lilith is 8th House… Read more »

Pegasus
Pegasus

mmmmm very interesting Madame Mutable.
In Tantric techniques, have found Inner Man/Woman practises quite similar ‘Creating your Inner God/Goddess’ visualisations and dialogue.

gogengoMM Member
gogengo

I love the loner list of animals, Mystic, I was not surprised to see that many of my animal spirit guides are listed. I’ve felt like a loner my whole life, needing lots of space and time just to be but have found that many people don’t get me at all. When you have a Pisces Moon + Midheaven, you can see though people and that kind of freaks them out LOL. Lately I am seeing there is incredible value in being ok separate from the greater “groupthink”, although struggle is the need to be recognized by these same people.… Read more »

Pegasus
Pegasus

Tigers are solitary too.
If i was a Chinese magician i would turn myself into one.
‘Fringe Dwellers’ Stuart Wilde called us of the human species :-).Once called Radicals who saw the spoopidity of outdated systems set sadly in concrete.
Now i’m humming the tune of Bowie’s from Cat People.
My brain waves are surfing after an end of the day Peroni.

saggenieMM Member
saggenie

Very powerful letter, thanks, brings up a lot of stuff for me as well. Good food for thought especially now. Agree that Sacred Masculine is often overlooked, or taken for granted? But wounded men are probably less able to heal themselves and so project it onto women. It’s probably one of the worst problems. And women not feeling… actually free. Also one of the worst problems. But overall I would say people are getting freer and freer every day.

Pegasus
Pegasus

Funny how books written by men FOR
MEN explaining themselves to themselves are read mostly by women are they not?
Par example” The Intimate Connection’ -Male sexuality & Spirituality by James Nelson.
The New Male Sexuality by Bernie Zilbergeld written in the 90’s and David Dieda are superior inside information for men. Guess it’s the men who don’t read maps after all.

Jokerman
Jokerman

(in reply to Peg n Pi) I have read many books over the past 10 years about being male. In the past 3 years I have tracked down articles and books spoken about on this site. I have read them and am always looking to remedy the hurt that lies within me. I think we, all on here, have come to the astro thru some outer planet pinging in some way. Pluto passing into Capricorn (6TH House) stuffing my career path up and over my Dsc= Divorce. Or maybe you are Pisces or Aquarius and you just naturally ping off… Read more »

Jokerman
Jokerman
PiMM Member
Pi

That’s a big ole shit sandwich right there pf. And yet here you stand. Alive, and more aware than ever. Wishing you luck for grounded haute neptunians. In the meantime there is music and kintsukuroi.

Xpi

PiMM Member
Pi

My short response is not intended to detract from the gravity of your upbringing. You know?

Jokerman
Jokerman

Thank you. I looked up that word. What a powerful and positive thing to say. I appreciate what you’ve said there. (I will gush no more)

PiMM Member
Pi

While “daddy issues” is a widely known trope, “mummy issues” is not and I’d like to see the 21st century be the time when men learn about this. The concept of The Mother, as source of the power over all life and death at critical time of child’s life, is imvho The most important thing to understand and truly grasp. Until then, we as a human race will continue to marry our mothers, project our mother-issues, blame and snipe etc and expect eternal forgiveness and clean botbots with no effort or self awareness.

PiMM Member
Pi

(Women too at times maybe)

LiliMM Member
Lili

Natal Lilith at 26 Aries opp my Mercury. Conjunct husband’s ASC -Hah! Went from being mild acquiescent dutiful people pleaser to bad a– PIAB in about 21 years.

Lilith has to play nice with generous NGO do gooders, to whom I’m very indebted- and I amp their resources for underserved under heard groups.

Working networks ATM from therapy animals for traumatized kids to prying money for community building-

Sword sheathed but ready!

Xx

PlutoMoonMM Member
PlutoMoon

My natal Lilith sits on my Virgoan South Node and very near my sun/moon midpoint. My nodes are squared by Neptune in Scorpio in the 12th. Sigh, yeah I’ve got some baggage here. And, yes, currently single. What infuriates me is that the Lilith energy is motivated for change and growth while the wounded masculine just keeps circling around on its loop of defiant non-growth and blame/projection whilst refusing to see past or get over its incessant need to compete and win. And I love how Mystic left the question unanswered because that’s the root of the problem, no? There… Read more »

MissDeeMM Member
MissDee

This post explains a lot to me as to why I got this Kundalini theme entering my life for the first time ever. Yoga practice is all Neptune on SN I know, but the instinctive choice of Kundalini breathing routine to start the day, the Kundalini yoga seminar coming up on Sunday and the sudden inspiration to get a tattoo on the bottom of my back spine (first chakra anyone?) are all very recent, and now that I have read this post, I know they come from Lilith. Which is currently opposing my Moon and actually it was exactly opposing… Read more »

KG77
KG77

Great post and great comments. Just what I needed ?

KG77
KG77

Sans ? Dunno why that appeared ha ha

MissDeeMM Member
MissDee

It’s when you post a smiling face like this 🙂 but if you use an emoticon instead of the colon + parenthesis you get a question mark.

ariseMM Member
arise

Darling Lilith – She gets fine workout in my action packed first house, just four degrees from my moon in Leo (which loves multiple squares anyway) and just a couple more degrees from my Leo ascendant. Fortunately I’m used to the intensity by now. The following might be more full moon than Lilith but I’ve had such unexpectedly uplifting dreams over the past two nights. On Monday a close friend who died earlier this year visited me in a dream where I helped commission a creative project on his behalf, and which in the ‘real world’ I have now begun.… Read more »

quintileMM Member
quintile

thanks for sharing these lovely dreams! good luck with the creative project.

ariseMM Member
arise

Thanks Quintile and best of luck with all your dreams and enveavors too.

scorpiodawnMM Member
scorpiodawn

re dailies…cant wAit for uranus to move into taurus…maybe ill get my job ‘break’ then……may 2018!

SnakehipsMM Member
Snakehips

Wow! Love this. Have recently discovered Sasha Cagen’s fantastic blog/movement “Quirkyalone”.. It’s on topic-all about not selling oneself short for the sake of being in a relationship. Check it out
quirkyalone.net

scorpiodawnMM Member
scorpiodawn

lillith conjunct moon, lillith abt to be conjunct my sun….this coupledom thing really has been sold to us…although i do love being in a re/ship (NOT for the sake of it tho…sun in 7th hse)

Cris
Cris

> So, considering these archetypes– Adam’s insecurity and Lilith’s rage– where does healing begin? As a collective can we work toward healing both the femininine and the masculine? How can we do this?

New role models, that’s what we need. Clearing thinking about it. Clearing feeling about it. More familiarity. More acknowledgment.

socialgraffitiMM Member
socialgraffiti

Yes, yes, yes! SO feeling this lately, maybe because I also have Lilith/Sun in Scorpio. I’m just pursuing myself and what’s real, and I’m getting real tired of holding myself back to make others feel comfortable! I’ve been letting go of toxic, stagnant people and energy. Anyone too past focused, too safe, or too conventional is not getting my time.

Corrina
Corrina

That’s the problem with concepts “made flesh” isn’t it? They always wind up in some dicky, dualistic Mexican standoff – where everyone is so intent on defending their position, that they end up “othering” everyone else. Men against women. Women angry at the injustices of men. Humans against nature. East against West. Republican against Democrat. It just goes on and on, around around, in tediously repetitive cycles that after 45 years on the planet, I have quite frankly had a gutful of. Personally I would view the Lilith archetype as symbolisng the rage that comes after loss of trust. Some… Read more »

quintileMM Member
quintile

well said – ‘dicky, dualistic mexican standoff’ he he

Corrina
Corrina

haha well checking on my “Lilith” … it’s in Libra in the 5th house. I just want everyone to be happy and have a good time. 😉

PiMM Member
Pi

Yes.

GabriesMM Member
Gabries

Hey there, I’m actually living my Lilith return in my 4th house. Hell yeah… My point of view as a Lilith in Scorpio-Ramzilla-Sun-Leo-rising-libran-Moon is…man fuck 2016 ! I have a Lilith-Mars square and of course a past history full of violence. The traumatizes made me stronger and touched by the suffering of one another. Oh, and I have this Lilith-Neptune sextile, let’s say that I have my own kind of medecine when things get darker… At first it was hard, but now I am accepting my lonewolfness, my outsiderness. I even had to choose between my lover (quintuple Scorpio-Saggo-rising-arian-moon) and… Read more »

PiMM Member
Pi

There are some interesting examinations of Eris out there. Some use primary material, others a different approach. Worth googling. Eris has a ~500 year orbit so I’m wondering if it would be a cool wider study to look at astro charts where eris contacts an inner planet or angle.

CentaurusMM Member
Centaurus

Oooh, your avatar caught my eye. I like it!

davidlMM Member
davidl

I must admit it upsets me a touch that the story of Lilith and the Adam have been interwoven when in the original Torah texts there is no mention of her. In my youth I studied Torah in an extremely detailed way. The story of lilith was introduced much later through a fictional book that took Lilith from a Sumerian myth and the author interplayed it like you would with a soap opera. Firstly we are all ‘adams’. The actual text describes ‘the adam’ a new prototype not a guy called Adam. Our bodies and systems are based on the… Read more »

ElectroMM Member
Electro

Deborah, asteroid 541 🙂

Had to look her up.

PiMM Member
Pi

Lilith isn’t the only player in that story.

skarabMM Member
skarab

This is a great link explaining the whole Lilith/Eve/Identity of Women/Patriarchy by looking at sources in the Old Testament & later Jewish literature. The whole site is interesting – not just the Lilth bit. It’s almost like Eve hadn’t been represented as bad enough for Medieval Man – he had to bring in a more evil version of Woman. Enter Lilith – a meshing of their own deep prejudices and ancient Sumero-Babylonian child-eating spirits. These spirits in turn, having being vilified by an ever increasing patriarchal upturn due to the impact of Indo-European invaders (13th – 11th century BC) whose… Read more »

PiMM Member
Pi

So you’re saying “adam” is not a proper noun? Adam is a concept not a name? Legit question.

davidlMM Member
davidl

Yes, an ‘Adam’, a new species not a bloke called Adam.

SagiquariusMM Member
Sagiquarius

and in modern hebrew, the word “adam” means “man” or “human” or “person.”

Jokerman
Jokerman

David, what do you understand of ppl before the Adam incarnation?

davidlMM Member
davidl

The Elohim, angels who supported lucifers call for free will came here and took a variety of forms. Aside from breeding with the indigenous races. The forms they took were not generic and were representations of their material desires. Today we might call them grotesque beasts. They became so mired in maya they forgot their heritage, their way back and their monstrous forms terrified and nearly destroyed the indigenous races. The Adam was a generic prototype that was placed in a protected environment. Eden. The Adam prototype had the secrets of their true heritage embedded in the body and the… Read more »

Corrina
Corrina

So it was Lucifer that lumbered us with this free will crap? What a wanker!

davidlMM Member
davidl

Yes you could say that we live in a sector of the universe that has been referred to as the Lucifer experimental zone. We carry the virus so to speak of free will and are clearly subject to containment via limits to our ability to both travel physically and consciously in our local galaxy. We are hence excluded from the wider galactic community. Imagine free will working in say a 5th dimensional reality outside of time where thought is instantly manifest. Yep, total havoc ! Time is the wall of our prison and contains our totally inappropriate thoughts to the… Read more »

CentaurusMM Member
Centaurus

Like the Arcturus Probe ? …it’s one theory 🙂

Corrina
Corrina

What a fascinating idea! Reminds me of the themes explored in that movie Dark City where fundamentally all roads lead to nowhere, although promise to go somewhere.

Corrina
Corrina

Maybe Robin Williams, David Bowie, Leonard Cohen and Philip Seymour Hoffman found the formula?? I wish they’d have passed it on to me.

Jokerman
Jokerman

That is food for thought; per always.

Cynthia
Cynthia

Hi David. I like what you say. Rudolf Steiner had a view that humanity aka Adam had/has the task of becoming the 10th hierarchy among the angels archangels etc. each of the ranks of the hierarchies has a particular role to play aka virtue and humanity’s is to become the Hiersrchy of Love and Freedom – skills/virtues all best learnt in isolation from god/goddess energy here on planet Earth.

LiliMM Member
Lili

Whew!

saturnplutofluxMM Member
saturnplutoflux

good point DL

ElectroMM Member
Electro

There’s a huge women’s march being planned for the day after Inauguration Day in DC.

Lux Interior Is My Co-PilotMM Member
Lux Interior Is My Co-Pilot

But yes, Lilith resonates with me so much.

She sounds like SUCH a flakey asteriod, but when you analyse her in your own and other’s charts BAM, BAD GAL NATURE REVEALED.

sphinxMM Member
sphinx

Lilith in the 8th House in Aquarius. And opposite my SUN/Hekate conjunction. And with my MOON in Scorpio already, that 8th House Lilith is really truly Black Moonish. The destructive, antagonistic, Plutonic spoiler to my sunny, outgoing Leo nature. My Mayan Astro sign is the Jaguar. I am solitary in fact, but my Sun in Leo denies it intellectually. One day I hope my Hekate in Leo can make peace with my Lilith Moon connection if my Sun isn’t capable! I suppose the best interpretation I would hope for would be that my huge appetite for spiritual knowledge is galvanised… Read more »

Lux Interior Is My Co-PilotMM Member
Lux Interior Is My Co-Pilot

Virgo pointing out typo–should it read “Not wanting a bar of the tribe” rather than “Now wanting”?

Unless civet cats are suddenly getting into “feelings circles”?

Lux Interior Is My Co-PilotMM Member
Lux Interior Is My Co-Pilot

Or whatever those circles were in the 70s where people sat in circles and talked about their feelings?

Lux Interior Is My Co-PilotMM Member
Lux Interior Is My Co-Pilot

Ah, I was thinking of consciousness raising groups!

saturnplutofluxMM Member
saturnplutoflux

lol

Pegasus
Pegasus

And passed The Talking Stick?
Nah that was the 90’s in Oz you must be in USofA.

samantha
samantha

Thanks for the post Mystic. So i have Lillith in first house in Libra (although i’m Virgo Asc). I haven’t done much looking into Lilith but I have been feeling her energy over the last few months in a very powerful and positive way. It’s been a time of change but it has been liberating. I’m uncertain to what astrological transit might have helped with this though. Maybe the sun on my natal Lilith a few months ago? Also Lilith squares my sun, moon and mercury in Cancer all in 10th house (the square is exact to 2 degrees) .And… Read more »

saturnplutofluxMM Member
saturnplutoflux

A lot of my favorite animals are on that list 🙂 – I always thought being a bear would be the ideal incarnation, chow down on salmon and berries half the year, sleep for the other half!

KatMM Member
Kat

Is this more significant for me because I have Lilith in Scorpio and if so what does it mean?!

Sim onenessMM Member
Sim oneness

Wow powerful stuff, so resonating my every pore at the moment.

CleverUserID
CleverUserID

holy phuq does that bitch give bad directions. i am so done. i am so in LILITH mode it’s not even funny. i posted a long tirade recently on just this. “i want authenticity. i want mutual respect, trust, intellectual stimulation. i can’t even fool myself anymore and let the fuckbois into my bed for a good time. i am velveteen and i want to be REAL” i am so done selling my heart and soul for the princess fairy tale. F THAT!! the lessons are coming fast and furious now on the Primal Divine Feminine, Lilith, Artemis, Kundalini Rising… Read more »

Pegasus
Pegasus

Good luck with those qualities listed Clever ID….(written with a smirl and the sound of semi cynical laughting.

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