Everything I Need To Know I Learned In Ancient Rome

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Nutty religious crusades, Babylon on fire, avaricious lying politicians, concerns about cheap labor/slaves taking our jobs, lavish palace renovations, to expand one’s empire or pull one’s head in and fortify the nation state dilemmas – honestly this shit all feels SO old that NO WONDER there is a Stoic philosophy revival.

My personal favorite is Epictetus –  Greek Slave turned Stoic Philosopher and Secretary to the Emperor Nero. Astrological Trivia: Donald Trump’s Moon is conjunct Nero’s Sun-Pluto.

Anyway, Epictetus was a Minimalist, Anti-Fragile Personality and a Genius. He inspired Marcus Aurelius and many more contemporary figures with great need to call on resilience.

“Never call yourself a philosopher, nor talk a great deal among the unlearned about theorems, but act conformably to them. Thus, at an entertainment, don’t talk how persons ought to eat, but eat as you ought.”

Thoughts?

 

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SeabirdMM Member
Seabird

Oh yes, world politics is like watching a re-run of I, Claudius with orange tan and an international cast of thousand. If I wasn’t so emotionally invested I would just buy some good icecream and sit back and watch

Roxy ScorpioMM Member
Roxy Scorpio

Yes, thank you for the reminder, and yes, more education – whether classical or otherwise. What some people refer to as (to my mind misunderstood) “stoicism” looks very much like complacency to me, and that is so annoying for several reasons. One reason is most important right now, and – apologies – here speaks the frustration of the last few weeks as this hold true for so many things: So few actually do the work and read those original sources of what is actually a highly complex philosophical school of thought, so many are content to just parrot a watered-down… Read more »

davidlMM Member
davidl

I’ve always thought that you gain the most understanding from great philosophers and ideas by first experiencing life on your own terms. First be a blank page and view the spectrum of life. Don’t allow another to define you. Hold out as long as you can from even attempting to define your self. Then when you have a full range of experience, read and absorb the great minds of the past. There you will find the threads of common experience that binds you and them and you will understand them. True creativity is not emulation, conditioned by the ideas of… Read more »

virgo rising
virgo rising

here an example of another great mind….takes one to know one. Problem is most people don’t trust their own take on things as their beliefs contradict the inner knower…

virgo rising
virgo rising

The late Carlo Suares also warned against defining oneself as putting a limit on that which has no limit…do you study him?

davidlMM Member
davidl

I have only really studied Hebrew philosophy. I’m familiar with others of course but never studied them the way I have the Hebrew texts.
My other favourites are Taoism, Vedic .. I’m very old school !

virgo rising
virgo rising

Carlo Suares…esoteric kabbalah…must read…

gogengoMM Member
gogengo

Bought the Daily Stoic – love it Neptune is great and all but really since I find my magic most when I do Saturn, anti-fragile vibe. My teacher (I am a yoga teacher and train under one main teacher in SF) talks a lot about resilience – I used to get so annoyed with him when he would bring it up – like yes, I’m resilient as f**k, I get it. But upon later reflection (hello Neptune direct) I see resilience is not the same as defensiveness/bitterness as protection. Really changed the way I feel about my yoga practice and… Read more »

Oliver
Oliver

Heliocentrically speaking, the opposition of Jupiter and Juno with Venus and Mars,with Saturn square invites a conclusion .

PiMM Member
Pi

if only one had something to conclude. in my case it feels a bit like an Ian McEwan novel or maybe one of those near-miss dashcam cuts where the lone deer narrowly escapes being flattened by a fully laden logging truck. “I can’t believe she’s still alive” oh well that’s a conclusion of sorts isn’t it.

VenusRising
VenusRising

I would like to translate that last statement into Australianese:

“Don’t rabbit on about veganism at the barbie, mate.”

Ali
Ali

Bahaha!

Jokerman
Jokerman

I know this rabbit called Barbie. She’s a bit of a vegan.

virgo rising
virgo rising

We are still living under the umbrella of ancient Rome…which has morphed into a Church and the Emprorer who has morphed into a Pope. Another disguise for Pharoahs’ Incorporated who have learned that visible chains will always be fought against…and freedom sought…while invisible chains which bind the heart, spirit and mind will never be resisted when there is a semblance of freedom. All one has to do is convince the masses that they need saving from a sin they are now convinced they are guilty of thanks to Church dogma, which instills fear and doubt and paralyzes the spirit.

davidlMM Member
davidl

Hey VR x I’ve missed your calm cool intellect around here. As usual you are spot on. Trust all is well with you. Still in Bali ?

virgo rising
virgo rising

Hi David, Am in India…and have been for last 3 1/2 years…nice to hear from you…and your always affirmative responses to my insights…Coming out of the swamp of health issues…finding the positive in the negative, which seems to be my life’s work…transforming energy and consciousness and am in the right place for it…out of the influence of the western mind set…breathing free air…

davidlMM Member
davidl

India, such an immense personality. A good friend travels there a lot, he’s a highly skilled photographer who only feels at home when he is there. I love to hear his travel stories and the work he does there is so beautiful !
http://www.johnwebberphotographer.com/453884/looking-for-jesus/

virgo rising
virgo rising

just checked link…great stuff…and interesting he is an Aussie…as I lived in Oz from ’89 til 2013…tho born and raised in NYC…are you an Aussie? As I tell people who ask me about India…it is not another country; it is another planet. You should really try to visit if you can; it is life changing; mind blowing…and the true home of my spirit. Everywhere else has been a transit lounge…

davidlMM Member
davidl

I’m born and raised in oz.
I’ve spent a lot of time in the Middle East which is where my mums family comes from. Never got to India.
I’ve studied the vedas and lived with krsna devotees for years in northern NSW. The word that comes to mind with Indian culture is sensuality ! I get them.

virgo rising
virgo rising

been to that community in NSW for a visit years and years ago..near the big mountain whose name I forget. Another dogmatic approach to the living divine essence which cannot be pinned down, no matter how every tradition has tried. Sensuality is not the word I would use…colourful, traditional, repressed…and in some ways as corrupt as everywhere else…with an underlying purity that is lacking elsewhere…which is its saving grace.

virgo rising
virgo rising

I also lived in Israel April 1981-Dec 82

davidlMM Member
davidl

I was there at yhe time 🙂

Pegasus
Pegasus

SENSORY
SATISFACTION.

Pegasus
Pegasus

Flying into Delhi in the 70’s looking at the land that had a strong heart connection to it that i never felt in Oz.
Read Shantaram & just finished The Shadow Mountain by Gregory David Roberts that transported me to Mumbai.
Spent time in Kashmir and Bangladesh in 80’s. Both places i loved. Left to go back to Singapore, but at stopover in Bangkok decided i had to return immediately and did!
So many colourful adventures there to light the Sagg soul before air travel became a crowded trial.

virgo rising
virgo rising

The south worth a trip…unlike Mumbai and north…cleaner, less crowded, more liveable and hospitable…flying into Chennai

dark starMM Member
dark star

Thanks for the reminder Mystic!

Time to unleash books from classical education. Also I can so imagine Trump oozing around the Colosseum

davidlMM Member
davidl

Yeah they’ll have to reopen the vomitoriums again.

Roxy ScorpioMM Member
Roxy Scorpio

hear hear!

Corrina
Corrina

Things go around in cycles because people can’t agree for long enough on the best way to self govern. Personally I wish there was truly more choice available in terms of lifestyle. Our economy is becoming so demanding and life force draining that it doesn’t surprise me in the least when I read about mental illness and suicide being on the rise in supposedly 1st world nations. Not everyone can cope with, or is particularly interested in, slogging it out in the corporate world, sitting in an artificially lit box with no natural sunlight and cut off from nature. Fighting… Read more »

davidlMM Member
davidl

Yep, first step to recovery, eliminating anyone who uses the term ” it’s all good”. When I hear that term used in all it’s new age glory I’m like WAKE UP FFS !!!

milleunanotteMM Member
milleunanotte

Last person who said that to me was asked, “What small world do you live in?” I’m fab with small talk

davidlMM Member
davidl

We would be so good at bad cop good cop x

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

Who the fq is who, Mr Aries. Just a little Piscean with liquid Neptune Moon in 12th conjunct the Rise ? … Gem Rise davel?

davidlMM Member
davidl

You’re bad Mille, Michael Jackson Bad .. 🙂

Corrina
Corrina

You shoot ’em. Mille and I will dispose of the bodies. ~snort~

davidlMM Member
davidl

Yeah forget Thelma and Louise. You guys are like Eris and Lilith on a crack.

davidlMM Member
davidl

Well, not A crack, FFS, grrrrr.

Jokerman
Jokerman

That’s a crack up.

Corrina
Corrina

rofl … we are the Uber Cracks. Ok my Gem Asc is now clearly taking things way too far …

ElectroMM Member
Electro

I agree wholeheartedly. Humans are inhuman.

I had parent teacher conferences yesterday and it breaks my heart to hear people’s stories about working two jobs and getting home basically two hours before their kids bedtimes. What an effed up system that people can’t even spend time with their own children because they are trying to make ends meet. Goes back to the lifestyle comment you made. No breathing room.

GemyogiMM Member
Gemyogi

Yes but there are choices and options . I live under the radar as a hippy tree hugger off the gridder on the inside. A casual worker who survives the grind and insecurity and low income by turning away from the corporate world & 9-5 house mortgage kids world. I’m very lucky. It’s hard being a misfit and I get lonely but I’m also very fortunate 🙂

Corrina
Corrina

Yeah there are options, but they can be pretty difficult to put into action. Sometime last year I looked around at all my stuff, the big house I lived in, the debt I had accrued, the jobs I did and thought: “I’m so fucking miserable! I feel utterly suffocated! Like a trapped animal!!” So I basically dismantled the entire thing. The house gone. The debt, mostly gone. The stuff, gone. People fought me every step of the way. I basically had to give the impression of being completely bonkers in order for them to get off my case. I’m actually… Read more »

Corrina
Corrina

I should add, it’s not people per se that I have a problem with. I am lucky to know quite a few lovely and lively spirits both online and in real life.

It’s the inert robots masquerading as humans that I object to. I just can’t deal with them anymore!

GemyogiMM Member
Gemyogi

Sounds super sensible to me!! I look forward to reading your novel. And seeing your art! send me a link or email?

<3

Corrina
Corrina

No worries … give me like two years. At the rate I write it’s gonna take for freakin eva! lol

GemyogiMM Member
Gemyogi

Now that is chic minimalism!!!

AlouettaMM Member
Alouetta

Sounds wonderful.

davidlMM Member
davidl

Love this P. x

Lady JaneMM Member
Lady Jane

Here too

Corrina
Corrina

Well ya know, before we get all romantic about the demolition site I made out of my life. Has anybody felt the impacts of The Tower card? Or a significant Pluto transit? Right yeah … terrifying. Although part of me knew I had to free myself from self and society imposed constraints, the process was horrendous. It brought up every feeling of vulnerability I could imagine. Trust issues. Finding out who your friends really were. Some people took advantage of my fragility during this time. Others just abandoned ship because it brought up too much of their own anxiety and… Read more »

GemyogiMM Member
Gemyogi

Still sounds like a great move to me. Mind you I am considered crazy by some 🙂

GemyogiMM Member
Gemyogi

Reminds me of my ancestors motto dulcis ex asperis or sweeter after difficulty!

Corrina
Corrina

hmm. I remain circumspect at this point. Risk taking has been supplanted by hedging my bets.

davidlMM Member
davidl

The twins at play.

FireTryin'MM Member
FireTryin'

I wholeheartedly relate and empathize with the grief and loss you’re talking about here.

Vulnerable, then more vulnerable, and hoping for some relief and sense of wholeness, cohesion.

dizzarinaMM Member
dizzarina

Beautifully put, prowln. I feel the same.

Corrina
Corrina

It’s sad that so many feel this way, yet don’t appear to have the sense of agency required to change anything.

Personally I’m happy for society to go on in its leviathan manner as long as I don’t have to be part of it.

davidlMM Member
davidl

I think the separation and discarding of the world as it was for you is just a step in moving towards unity consciousness. What you give up you get. It’s a natural force that has been used for millennia. Give it all away and cease to be a slave to your desires. Destroy the ego. You are nearly at zero. A mathematician could tell you the closer to zero you go the greater your potential for growth.
You are working this phase well I reckon.

Corrina
Corrina

On the plus side, I have to say it is quite liberating to have very few demands and responsibilities hanging over one’s head.

Pretty close to zero david .. pretty darn close!

FireTryin'MM Member
FireTryin'

Nodding head in agreement with all the words.

I remember realizing that the argument “You need to live in the real world” was an invalid argument for living life as you describe it above.

If people are able to feed themselves, have housing and live satisfying lives, then they are legitimate (and I was thinking in terms of the way corporatized folks view the more hippy-fied worlds of co-ops and barters and solar geo poo powered whatever…)

The “real world” apparently has to look a specific way and it’s not terribly creative. Except in its intent to disconnect and dehumanize.

Corrina
Corrina

Well when your entire society hinges on an economic model that constantly demands growth rather than equilibrium and sustainability, you end up with a dehumanised system where people are just another product … just another cog in the good old capitalist wheel. Traditionally the market is “supposed” to correct itself – supply and demand theory. However when you’ve got monopolistic practices, too much incentive to invest in speculative ventures rather than producing anything and corporate tax laws that simply don’t ask for enough back, considering what is taken out … well yep. The market can’t “correct” itself. These days it… Read more »

palmercamillle
palmercamillle

It’s so interesting how governed by cycles we are… everything on a small and large scale is destined to repeat itself. On a more specific note, I was re listening to the album In An Aeroplane Over the Sea by Neutral Milk Hotel. With all the extreme prejudice and hateful discrimination occurring in my country especially to the point where it’s making me feel actually sick when I think about it, I decided to revisit the album as it was inspired almost entirely by the story of Anne Frank. Well one of my favorite songs on it, Holland 1945, has… Read more »

palmercamillle
palmercamillle

Excuse me, I didn’t finish one of my sentences! “Under interrogation, she…” She actually knew she was facing death and fessed up to everything. Took the fall for the other members, and while under severe questioning from the German government, she told them something to the effect of, “Don’t you know the war is over, why are you so cowardly that you won’t admit it?” Right before being executed via guillotine, it is said she uttered the words, “the sun will still shine.” So ahead of her time and a wonderful icon of overcoming adversity and surrendering oneself fully to… Read more »

Jokerman
Jokerman

More than fearless. An amazing strength to face that dilemma.

PiMM Member
Pi

Died with her head held high (so to speak) and a big old “fuq you” to the executioners. My kind of girl. Fearlessly facing the true assholes of the world.

PiMM Member
Pi

shame it was at that price though. sigh.

PiMM Member
Pi

oh dear the figure of speech i used was SO inappropriate

milleunanotteMM Member
milleunanotte

Oh that unfinished sentence held me in its thrall! So grateful you finished it 🙂

LotusFlowerMM Member
LotusFlower

Me too, loved this, and Neutral Milk Hotel too. Btw this is a very Piscean little subthread! (- Neptune Rising in the 12th here)

“Because simply, it is right and just to do so” – the honour and privilege. Super stoic & humble and also super giving/surrendering of oneself to the everlasting moment, if you see what I mean? Being, I am, and in correctness <3

dizzarinaMM Member
dizzarina

<3

palmercamillle
palmercamillle

And one more thought, I hope nobody takes my comparison as undermining the horrific events of Europe that led to WWII, as I definitely do not intend to do so. I think things are on a completely different scale and while I can draw similarities, I don’t want to offend anyone with implications that today is worse than the unfair and unspeakable executions of thousands. I apologize if it came across that way even an iota xx

saturnplutofluxMM Member
saturnplutoflux

I don’t think it sounded like that.
Looking back to the Holocaust is a stark reminder of what happens when people allow themselves to be manipulated by rhetoric, don’t demand accountability from politicians and some how just fail to stand up for basic decency . I’m sure those who perished would prefer that their memory was used to raise awareness and prevent future atrocities.

Dark side
Dark side

Hey Scorpisces thank you for mentioning this album. Never heard of it before.

Your post sounds as if I wrote it. Thank you. I feel and think all the same things about current world. Am still in shock, and eating too much chocolate as result.

I am Pisces Sun and Mercury too (mine are conjunct in 6th house)… you make perfect sense to me! Looking up that album now. xx

ElectroMM Member
Electro

I hear your sentiments. I got into Quakerism a while back but stopped going to meeting due to busy life stuff. I started going back and now I’m getting emails about workshops on Protecting Civilians Nonviolently and bus caravans to the women’s march in DC after Inauguration Day. If you have any in your area, they are a great resource for community action. And just a disclaimer because I’m not into organized religion – the ones around me are not religious, no preacher, etc but I think in other parts of the country some are more churchy and have preachers.… Read more »

Lux Interior Is My Co-PilotMM Member
Lux Interior Is My Co-Pilot

LOVING this.

He feels so on point.

PhoenixWolfMM Member
PhoenixWolf

On point with what I’m going through & reading right now. The Obstacle is the Way – Ryan Holiday – A book about Stoicism and the wisdom of Marcus Aurelius,
(Super cheap right now on Amazon Kindle)

Stella PolarisMM Member
Stella Polaris

I purchased his new book The Daily Stoic – with 366 daily extracts from Stoic Philosophers with a modern retake/reframing of the issues. Really enjoying the daily reflections but stoic philosophy is tough. Makes sense, but still it’s tough.

milleunanotteMM Member
milleunanotte

Started reading and mostly finished Aurelius during winter in Australia, and boy did he piss me off. It was all so … right, and correct. So in denial of the self. I had enjoyed the quotes, stand alone. But in the fuller context, including some facts about himself (such as his “medication” addiction, and his not-very-sexy marriage) i just felt that he was trying SO hard to deny some basic facts about himself, and correct/deny them, rather than living with that Shadow Self in integration. Probably i just got frustrated that i can never live like him, and when i… Read more »

Stella PolarisMM Member
Stella Polaris

Moi? Gem sun, aqua rising, Pisces moon Saturn and Chiron. No, not a Pisces

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

Heheh no you are not! And i get why you are enjoying your reading…but, i was wondering about the AUTHOR of the Daily Stoic.

*god that title still makes me shudder…sorry!

PiMM Member
Pi

have to agree. this year, while saturn / cap has at times straight-up got me through, it literally only did just that and then I stalled again as the tank ran empty and the rubber was down to the wires. nothing, n o t h i n g, was allowed to coast. meet a deadline? have a near emotional collapse. find a paying job? face regressive life-change issues that kick up anxieties that almost make me stop functioning. restart therapy? keep pressing that still-bruised IC pluto and walk around feeling like i had no skin for a few days. what… Read more »

PiMM Member
Pi

the only things that i did that genuinely de-zapped me and offered some re-set were beach time, yin yoga and acupuncture. also piscean candelight showers for no reason, and swimming.

FireTryin'MM Member
FireTryin'

Your de-zapping protocol sounds perfectly amazing. Wishing I had a beach nearby. Yin yoga and acupuncture readily available though.

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

Hon, you really went through the grinder, didn’t you. No doubt all these were necessities, and life is better for having done them.

But yes, the soul gets bruised.

Were you reading Epicurus today?? I should find a book…

PiMM Member
Pi

thats just me venting ..sorry. wasn’t seeking sympathy as such.

but yes i was in my happy place, the philosophy section of an academic library. i came across a small book that reinterpreted epicurus’s main ideas in modern english etc. a starting point : )

PiMM Member
Pi

omg mille AND I was just reading some Epicurus words this evening. he actually had some really good ideas : ) : )

PiMM Member
Pi

makes me sound like i doubted him lol

ElectroMM Member
Electro

I didn’t know conformably was a word. Makes more sense than comfortably.

Sphinx, weren’t you just talking about getting a beige shell for social occasions?

sphinxMM Member
sphinx

Lol, been shopping around, think I have found the right pale greige that is fashionable currently for those with Saturn in Cancer. (It cleverly avoids saying, “Yes, I am nurtu
ring, I will NURTURE YOU INTO THE GROUND BI%@H”). There was also a nice pallid green shell for those with Aries ruled 11th House, which totally denies those fuq-you-fuq-off tendencies they can have.
It was quite conformably, but I went with Saturn Greige just in case.

davidlMM Member
davidl

I remember being in Chicago, 1987 in November. I stepped out on to the street at peak hour and seriously everyone was wearing those beige overcoats and the women wore white runners with their beige coats, on a cool cloudy day the vista was virtually monochrome with a sepia filter. Coming from oz where the crowd in a city can look like a rainbow kaleidoscope it was really cool. After a day there I met some great locals and they showed me the more colorful side of the place 🙂

davidlMM Member
davidl

Maybe he coined the term ‘when in Rome, do what the romans do ?
And yes any study of history will show

1. that there is nothing new under the sun
2. Everything old is new again
3. the more things change, the more they stay the same.

saturnplutofluxMM Member
saturnplutoflux

snap!
there’s something quite comforting in knowing humanity’s been getting it wrong for ever.
I know so many people who tie themselves in knots through thinking that somehow, just a generation/century or two ago, everything was purer, people were better/nicer/kinder….blahblahblah.
Rubbish, like Davidl says, read some history – I actually think we’re improving (slowly)

PiMM Member
Pi

I can’t stand that pastoral backward looking revisionist stuff either. And it’s always relative to someone else, for better or worse.