Ghosts Versus Demons

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Ghosts* Versus Demons – honestly, what is the difference? Multiple astrological factors make September a month of clearing so it IS worth considering.

Ghosts tend to hang around in your psyche, like chthonic echoes or the ethereal residue of previous loves, defeats and other intense at the time experiences. Generally, the stronger your Qi, the weaker they are. Ghosts like damp, hangovers and passive-aggression.

They can turn a healthy “lesson learned” style remorse into toxic regret. Sometimes they’re violet in mood, poignant and melancholy but fleeting.

Other times they hang around like a morose house guest, too unmotivated to even rattle anything but unwilling to leave. But up your Vibe and they can’t handle it. Like candida in a healthy gut.

Demons are different. They need to be actively rooted out, identified as in actually named – what the fuq are you and how did you get in? – confronted and ejected.

Demons often emerge only when you are operating at a higher level and killing it with the Awesome. Suddenly, voila there it is. Demons can even drive people, relentlessly. Unlike ghosts, they get stronger as you do. Demon Eradication often takes therapy or intense commitment.

In many myths involving them, the protagonist stops running, turns to face it and before beginning the process of elimination actually thanks the demon for what it did give, in among the rest of it. Sometimes – for example – a demon of rage can be the impetus to escape a terrible circumstance.

The finale of Saturn square Neptune is optimal for both ghost busting AND demon identification/clearing.

Thoughts?

* By “ghosts” i am not referring to the apparitions or soul manifestations of people and animals who have passed. They are a whole separate deal.

Image: Francois Fressinier

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Ampersand
Ampersand

Have any of you seen “Searching for Sugar Man”, about Sixto Rodriguez. If not it is just out on Netflix. I am so fascinated by this man, currently looking at his Astro and he has an unaspected Sun. This song, oh my lord, this song, it is about ghosts and demons and I am obsessed with it. Crucify Your Mind” Was it a huntsman or a player That made you pay the cost That now assumes relaxed positions And prostitutes your loss? Were you tortured by your own thirst In those pleasures that you seek That made you Tom the… Read more »

Ampersand
Ampersand

Check it out if it will let me link, it is just so haunting and awesome
http://youtu.be/-qFP-dsl2Z0

davidlMM Member
davidl

Yes, love Rodriguez x

Ampersand
Ampersand

Where has he been all my life? 🙂

PandoraMM Member
Pandora

I remember reading a book about the history of revolution and counter-revolution. It’s basic premise was as per Mystic’s, above. i.e. that with every push towards revolution, the forces of counter-revolution also rally their troops because they had such a big stake in the status quo. To me, demons are those others, and those parts of yourself who were more comfortable before you started becoming empowered and saying “fuq this for a joke”. My Saturn in1st house transit mantra has been that I will take no shit from nothing or no one no more, but the universe has kept sending… Read more »

PandoraMM Member
Pandora

oh, and ghosts? yeah. I got a few, but they were just narcissistic passive-aggressive types to whom I gave too much credit and nurturing in return for the familiarity of years of shared history and being needed. The last night of Mars in my Scorp 12th – after Pluto, Saturn and god knows what else – I literally howled, all night, in the realisation that the Death card was right. No going back.

davidlMM Member
davidl

What’s being established are the unique attributes that Pandora offers. The right people will value those attributes. To me the greatest success in career is when one is rewarded for being their (here comes that word ) authentic selves. Warts and all.

PandoraMM Member
Pandora

xx

davidlMM Member
davidl

Deathfear is humanity’s global miasm. There may have been a time when we remembered how we got here and where we may go when we leave here but we have forgotten, lost the connections. The reason to be here has been replaced by the primal will to survive. Death then is not passing from one reality to another it is final annihilation. Demons and ghosts are a reflection, a coalescence of our fears of death and dying. The ghost clings to the earth and refuses to accept death, the only thing it knows is the past, what was. The soul… Read more »

dizzarinaMM Member
dizzarina

Interesting about the demons emerging when you’re operating at a higher level. Steven Pressfield’s book the War of Art is about confronting the demon of Resistance. This demon is most vocal when you are attempting to create, or really taking action in any project of self-empowerment. It’s a fascinating book, short read.

PiMM Member
Pi

Must find this book. It’s like I am driving with the handbrake on atm .insane

flowerchild
flowerchild

Ah! Thanks for mentioning this book! I’m dealing with inner resistance right now and I’m procrastinating too but feel paralyzed, hard to move forward even though I know some of the steps I need to take, particularly toward getting a new job.. the resistance feels so strong at times that it feels like a real, physical blockage in the way.

tw:leoMM Member
tw:leo

i totally get this. it does feel physical.

dizzarinaMM Member
dizzarina

Yes, this would be a good source of insight for you… and may I also recommend flower essences? I’m taking a blend now for just this sort of thing- feeling paralyzed by the weight of what needs to be done to take the next step. It is DEFINITELY helping. The ones in particular, which you can do research on, are: Iris (“moistens the hardened aspects of the soul such as stagnation and procrastination”) Blackberry (“Here a person has a hard time translating goals and ideals into actual action in the world”) Cayenne (“Consider using whenever you have a lagging project… Read more »

flowerchild
flowerchild

Oooh! This is good info, thanks! : )

JokermanMM Member
Jokerman

Is it like “Cowboys v Aliens”?
I think my Cap Supa bitch is a ghost.
My 3 parents are Demons.

I use to barrack for the Demons b4 the Crows came on board

sphinxMM Member
sphinx

My old Nan left the extended fam an old house by the sea. It has contained the ghosts of diseased early settlers, the confused wet, angry souls of the shipwrecked around the area come too, apart from the demonic-seeming dreamtime animals that feed on their fear. So much cleansing work I have done on this beautiful area, since the dreamtime people came and advised me how. Everyone asked, was it necessary to sell? So studied and crunched numeros and when I explained no and how and why and how we could all benefit… My family exploded in my face! Squabbles,… Read more »

flowerchild
flowerchild

Still feeling very stuck. I must be full up of ghosts and demons. I’d say some of the ghost stuff is past relationship residue –that’s been clinging on for ages, can’t find a way out. The demons are more all-encompassing, more problematic. I’ve still been feeling low and wonder if I’ll learn what I needed to learn from Saturn/Neptune or get left behind….? I did ok with it at the beginning, but it has been noticeably tougher near the end here.. The Merc retro and eclipse season is definitely adding that down the rabbit hole vibe…I’m barely holding on. Mercury… Read more »

VSLR
VSLR

It’s all getting a little overwhelming… My ibs is at its worst. Will probs hear on friday if i got the job or not.

dizzarinaMM Member
dizzarina

Keep us posted!

PiMM Member
Pi

Stress is probably not helping your system : ( good luck

PiMM Member
Pi

That was meant to be a sympathy vote not telling you something you alreasdy know.

Ampersand
Ampersand

I just stood up to my mother in law for the first time in 2 and a half years. I was polite but I think there was no mistaking the “back the fuck off” text message. It looks like once again I am the one to stand up for me, since everyone else is too scared of her. Yeah you got me to deal with now, my Lilith conjunct north node opposing her everything in Kataka, which squares all of my Libra. Enough is enough. Light the blue touch paper and retire. I don’t care how this goes down, it… Read more »

AnkhRising8.0MM Member
AnkhRising8.0

Firm boundaries ftw! Now wrap yourself up tight in some Light layers & you’ll energetically be good to go for a long time (if not for the rest of her natural life) 😉

Narcissism & sociopathic energy are super low-frequency, & they’re not to be trifled with. Good on you, Ampersand!

Ampersand
Ampersand

Dear Ankh <3 thanks for your words. The shit has hit the fan alright. I take it on the chin as my birthright. Sun conjunct Uranus, with Uranus opposing it. Mid life transformation! The saddest thing is she is now attempting to wriggle out of a lie that she has been caught in, and many can see it, it is just awful. She's just not very clever with it, I just came out of a situation like this with my mother and I've got the manual. I am just so relieved, I felt the pressure building for a while, I… Read more »

Austinite
Austinite

12th house Mars in Aquarius square Taurus Sun. Was having terrible headaches and neck tightness from a herniated cervical disc about 1 year ago. At the time Saturn was also opposing my Sun; all I could feel was rigidity and inflexibility in my life…just a general feeling of resistance and ineffectual hard power. I remember having this one dream though. I was outside myself looking at where i lay asleep with my boyfriend next to me, and there was a black cloud that emerged from my body and lay hovering over me. I knew somehow I had exorcised myself. My… Read more »

AnkhRising8.0MM Member
AnkhRising8.0

Yes! Awesome 🙂

AAC.MM Member
AAC.

Narcissist mother contacted me yesterday after months of no contact (initiated by me) – just starting to get in the swing of life after 43 years of nuts, and then boom! Out comes the blamo sould destroyer demon. No asking how the granddaughter is, or heaven forbid how I am, nope just a hefty guilt trip because well, thats what narcissists are for. Then a close friend snaps down the foot on my neck because I ask for some time before I respond to friends issues. I am happy to just extract myself and walk away and get back to… Read more »

Ampersand
Ampersand

Right there with you, two years of no contact for me and I still expect the old witch to make an appearance sooner or later. It’s never over with them, not really. I changed my residence and name and she still found out I got married and where I am now. I guess you might feel the way I do, that the only thing you ever asked of her was to leave you the fuq alone and she can’t even respect that. You have my utmost sympathies, for what it’s worth I can understand some of what you’re experiencing. Take… Read more »

JaneyMM Member
Janey

Understand completely. I cut of contact with my mother 7 months ago- Iv received threats of court and she has contacted partners parents telling them I’m a narcissistic, bipolar. No recognition of her stuff at all. It’s so sad, but liberating and trying to pick up pieces of yourself and rebuild.

LiberatingVenusMM Member
LiberatingVenus

I’ve been a card-carrying Exorcist since my teens – have devoted much time and energy to naming, confronting, and casting out my demons. Repeatedly, and regularly…such is life with Pluto. I don’t judge myself for this, however – I merely see it as a reflection of just how fuqed up things were for me early on in life. But an earnest desire to better myself in every possible way burns at my core…this need for transformation borders on obsession – it is my soul’s Prime Directive; its raison d’être. When transformation is the desired outcome, it means descending to your… Read more »

PiMM Member
Pi

thank you for writing this. x

AnkhRising8.0MM Member
AnkhRising8.0

So the ghosts you are talking about are like psychic residue kind of energies hanging about. It can hang on places, people, like a greasy imprint of emotion that made it through the wash. Concentrated spot remover necessary. Demons are low, Low vibrational frequency creatures that try to suck up any energy around to feed themselves. Kind of like a black hole in space, demons can create a vacuum drawing in & gobbling up higher frequency entities (e.g. you). It makes sense then why they manifest when our energy is high (they smell food) or very low (they’re opportunistic). Even… Read more »

Starlush
Starlush

Mystic this is great and so spot on as I’ve had experience with both in my work with people so the clarification and classification you’ve provided is excellent and a subject so appropriate for our eclipse rabbit hole. Well done.

PiMM Member
Pi

yep.
demons i’d like to think are very deeply held ideas about, say, our identities, for better or worse, that we developed as mechanisms to get by very early in life. when we confront situations that challenge our identity (by challenging us to think better of ourselves for example) then this directly confronts that entrenched behavioural response to the world. we feel like we are going to die. ~and we are~ but it’s only a psychological death so we have to give ourselves a mat to land on and keep walking. Give Future Us a chance.

the ghosts thing, for sure.

tw:leoMM Member
tw:leo

!!!!!

alchemy-saltMM Member
alchemy-salt

Man, this was uncannily timed. I literally woke up this morning and my first thought was I HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS. “This” being something too long-winded to get into here but essentially the realisation that I have to learn how to keep my self-esteem when I am behaving in a way that is real, not the strange cloistered I-am-not-even-human-I-have-no-human-desires way I have been defaulting to over the past year. It’s a position of safety that’s allowed me to do a lot of healing and growing up and generally being less of a damn idiot than I was a few… Read more »

tw:leoMM Member
tw:leo

I HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS.
brilliant, i thought the same thing last night.

moongoatMM Member
moongoat

Thank you Mystic x

MultiairMM Member
Multiair

My ‘ghost’ has been my milk addiction. I’ve been addicted to drinking very milky tea for 40 years, and known for 30 of those years that it really doesn’t agree with me. I’ve been ‘on a break’ from milky tea a few times to give my body a health breather, but we’ve never broken up completely. However, I stopped drinking milk when I got the flu 3 weeks ago, and feel like this time I’m actually never going back. The difference is, I’m not missing it like I used to. I’ve discovered the joy of drinking turmeric tea instead. I’d… Read more »

Catherine
Catherine

check a homeopath. perfect for Tuberculinum remedy..could rid you of your addiction

MultiairMM Member
Multiair

Thanks!

moonstarkMM Member
moonstark

try an almond or coconut creamer instead? also for dairy high fat cream is easier to digest than milk

Annica
Annica

For me, demons are 100% internally produced and you can be pretty much inborn with the traits. Everybody’s got them. Making sure yoyr demons play well with another’s is a key, not the only key tho, to compatability. Ghosts, while still internal, are produced through interaction with environment or person. Something had to have happened to you, even if no one else saw it. It is a byproduct of experience. Much easier to be rid off than demons imho because sometimes you might not be aware of your demon, but you sure as hell know your ghosts.

Annica
Annica

Also, as an INFP i am a demon whisperer. I dont believe in slaying them, but befriending them. It’s all you anyways.

Katycoyote
Katycoyote

As we move into my favourite time of year, from here to halloween the “veils grow thinner”..those of us who are psychic or empaths find it harder to keep boundaries as our energy opens to accommodate signs and signals, messages from other realms…it’s interesting that ghosts and shadows is what I have spent a lt of this year working on, and finding lots of echoes of what I deny in myself appears as people in my life, and me trying to recognise them, have compassion but get away! Quick..though we need our shadow side, once those areas have been cleared… Read more »

Ms.
Ms.

fucking hell this is so on point Mystic.

milleunanotteMM Member
milleunanotte

Myst describes ghosts so poignantly and clearly. I had thought the cut-through writing was a reflection of other astro aspects but I’m seeing Piscean observation in true connection with some of those factors, including her Scorpio, Mercury, Virgo, MC et al.

Sorry to speak of in third person on your own blog, Myst, but it has been radical, the times and my own experience of them, and your words and image choices totally blow me away.

Ms.
Ms.

Yes I agree, I have been on a serious personal mission to my own underworld and I have made a lot of decisions around this but I am reconnecting with some vital parts again and it could not be more accurate to my current situation

hope your universe is well Mille

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

Thank you, Ms. I send you lots of love xxxx

It’s hard to say how it is for me…the astro and circumstances are testing. I’m working hard but frustrate myself with my internal ways. The energy ebbs are rough. I appear to be achieving a lot but it costs. No matter; we will prevail, yes?

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

Oh wow, yes! This resonates, SO MUCH! I’ve been on a super productive, simplifying, streamlining mission since before the eclipse. Playing a “first one to blink loses” game with the coal face aspects of my reality/ psyche and until this morning it was going pretty well. Then, BOOM, the feelings hit me as if the proverbial dyke had crumbled. Cue feelings of utter despair and some fairly worrying thoughts. They had started seeping through a few nights ago as I’m averaging 4 hours sleep per night again and insomnia is just hard, but I digress. I have more than usual… Read more »

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

can I just say?
THAT PICTURE!!!!
OMG

cynthiaMM Member
cynthia

I just checked out Francois Fressinier’s website after reading your comment. I notice that this is his style of painting – these female kinda muse figures with a shimmery kinda veil effect in places. The woman seldom makes direct eye contact with the viewer but just see the photo of his own self – terribly direct eye contact. So from my perspective, who is this woman (ie in the painting) for me? Who does she represent in me? Does this painter (skilled as he is) portray something sublimily universal and or is is art a projection of his own anima… Read more »

cynthiaMM Member
cynthia

the photo of his own self on his website, that is (for clarification)

Lux Interior Is My Co-PilotMM Member
Lux Interior Is My Co-Pilot

Yeah, this is resonating. It’s weird and nostalgic at the moment…

Bring on the ghost-busting.

saturnplutofluxMM Member
saturnplutoflux

wow, thank you for this, very useful and clear

leslie
leslie

i dont know if this happened to someone else, but since last year – it happened to me 3 times – to see a demon, when looking to those extrangers eyes. really horrible creatures that scared me as a horror freaky show. i also had a dream with the same experience. it looks like when i paid attention to this people, reality breaks. i felt i was sick or something really bad was happening to my mental health… then i realice neptune and south node in my 12th house piscis (im piscis rising) – was playing tests with saturn in… Read more »

leslie
leslie

saturn i n sagg in my 9th house 😛

RuthMM Member
Ruth

Just tell those demons to F off, – and tell them ‘ you cannot hurt me’!!! . These things happen sometimes and it’s best to be firm.

Ali
Ali

Wonderful, wonderful post, Mystic. How cool, to be talking about demons! Yay! And you smashed it! Yes! The brighter, stronger, clearer, more powerful we are, the more strenuous the opposition from darkness. When I started seeing demons (2013 – after two years of intense, focussed spiritual alchemy and shadow integration) I was worried peeps would think I was insane! And I was freaked out! But yes. They’re real. And their appearance is good news – means you are GLOWING!! And, no fear please. It feeds their mania. They have no power over you. Laugh at them and tell them to… Read more »

embarkons7MM Member
embarkons7

Ouf — super resonant post, which I’ll be mulling on coming days. I’ve recently had a couple intense acupuncture sessions with a practitioner who does the five element style. Tho she didn’t put it that way she clearly ID’d some of the ghosts I have clinging about from a seriously difficult period in the recentish past, ways my energy is part blocked or shut down to deal with that, etc. I’d be interested in hearing some examples of demons from the above. Also makes me think of the old related word daimon, for a guiding spirit which didn’t have the… Read more »

skarabMM Member
skarab

Yes! It’s the darkness, that brings true genius. It’s this darkness that distinguishes a good work of art from a profound work of art. For the Spanish, it’s all about having “duende” which can mean goblin or earth spirit – but in art, “duende” describes a passion composed of “irrationality, earthiness, a heightened awareness of death, and a dash of the diabolical” which is transferred to the spectator. Goya had duende in spades – pulling out the most profound images from his demon’s realm – went crazy too. So i guess you pay the price if you let the demon… Read more »

PiMM Member
Pi

I’ve been considering the darkness and art thing lately. I have been trying to work out if it makes work ‘heavy’ or like Mr camus, if you go thru the heavy to transcend then it leaves a trace but does not you know, make the work gloomy or sombre. Not that either of these are bad in themselves. Hmm.

skarabMM Member
skarab

Oooh boy ….where do i …um…..can we discuss this in a smokey joint over cognac & montecristos?

The Venus FlyMM Member
The Venus Fly

BING! Def been on a mission of rooting out old scripts the last 12 months. Being surrounded by so many passive-aggressive TAKERS during my lifetime I took on a sense of defeatism in some aspects of my life. I guess I believed it was to shield me but it just shut me down and broke my heart in some ways. I have been recalibrating myself to step into spaces of mutuality for real for real, not just talking it. I have a minor cold I caught from my son so we are both home. After a sleep-in I awoke to… Read more »

The Venus FlyMM Member
The Venus Fly

Oh, thought it was mega cool that as I was getting pissed off a Daddy Long Legs spider from the ceiling came down to sit on my computer screen. When I told the spider I got the message – the inner weaves the outer – it automatically started going back up the string to take it’s usual place on the ceiling, lol.

Ali
Ali

Love it.

Annica
Annica

This is why if i am selling crap online, i use a male persona. Sucks but you know…patriarchy..blah blah. No one ever argues price or talks down about quality. They shut up and move on.

moonstarkMM Member
moonstark

ah, kinda brilliant.

The Venus FlyMM Member
The Venus Fly

Great suggestion! Next round that’s what Imma do 🙂