Uranus, Neptune and the Astrology Of Brexit

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The Brexit.  I am doing this post because people keep asking me I assume that you might like a space for a healthy discussion on the matter.  By “healthy”, I mean respect for other commenters views, even if they differ from yours.

Astrologically I count Britain’s membership of the E.U. as having been “born” in February 1992, with the Maastricht Treaty.   That was Uranus conjunct Neptune at 15 to 17 degrees of Capricorn – currently being trundled over by Uncle Pluto.

So the authenticity and viability of the whole deal are being, well, called into question. Or, as you might put it, shaken to the core.  The term Brexit first appeared in June 2012, along with the first Uranus-Pluto square. I see this is a Zap Zone event.  There are a lot of people who have lost faith in central banks, bureaucrats, politicians and the establishment.

So Pluto hangs out on the 15 to 17 degrees of Capricorn point till early 2018. Holland is now talking about having their own referendum. Clearly, this is going to be a disrupt of major proportions, sparking rebellion all over the place. As a Uranian, I favor independence movements in general but this is going to involve unprecedented tumult.

However, I do think that by the time Uranus makes it into Taurus in 2018, we will be looking at a new foundation. In the meantime, Jupiter in Libra is going to stress Uranus-Pluto, causing a massive After-Zap from the Zap Zone that catalyzed 2012 to 2015.

But Jupiter – the amplifier – will be on he Uranus conjunct Neptune degrees in Feb 2020. That will be straight after the epochal Capricorn Convergence.  The first part of 2020 is paradigm-altering.

So here we go with the turbulence – thoughts?

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Corrina
Corrina

Hmmmm … a swing towards nationalism and protecting one’s own turf feels to me as if our current styles of co-operativeness between nations is either not working OR there is propaganda afoot feeding the minds of the public that it’s not working. However personally I think it’s a bit of both. We are seeing the collapse of global capitalism in slow mo. Capitalism is based on growth (promulgated by greed). Yes it allows for innovation. Yes it has some benefits. But ultimately it’s a rigged pyramid scheme that’s been sold as some kind of salvo to the world’s problems. Unfortunately… Read more »

Jokerman
Jokerman

Laffed my head off at Iceland getting rid of England. Hah bloody ha.

wooly bully
wooly bully

Iceland didn’t get rid of England, it got rid of the EU. Big difference. They are soaring.

PiMM Member
Pi

I think he means in European football tournament. Adding insult to injury

skarab
skarab

Soaring? For who? What a joke. Given that they are out from “under EU’s thumb” and could have embarked on a more social/humanitarian and eco-friendly economic structure – they’ve embraced rampant capitalism with a vengeance themselves – going the property development and tourism route. They are now facing a huge economic & ecological problem – prices for property have shot through the roof – so that locals can’t afford housing, and their unique environment is being ruined by a voracious tourist industry they haven’t been able to control. It seems that nobody is immune from greed and stupidity – but… Read more »

skarab
skarab

Haha! I was SO hoping for an Iceland-Wales final – shaming all those inflated ponces.

Fleur
Fleur

Are you the same Leonora who was so badly treated on this blog? http://www.oxfordastrologer.com/2016/06/crying-for-europe.html
If so well done standing up for yourself so well. I wasn’t able to send a private message of support to her, as this is a blog and not a forum.

sphinx
sphinx

Thank you for posting this link, I read Leonora’s words with admiration. Smart and clear.

skarabMM Member
skarab

She makes some fine points but some totally off the mark ones & quite frankly a very off point: a)*The ordinary working people of the U.K. have been too adversely affected by EU interference*. False: the ordinary working people of the U.K. have been too adversely affected by Thatcherite policies beginning with her closing the mines, dismantling the unions & eroding the social services so that they could be privatised. This was done by all consecutive British governments following her. Blaming this on Europe is not being honest. b) **Tbh, Jo Cox has zilch to do with Brexit. Most people… Read more »

AnthMM Member
Anth

I voted to remain. I’m Australian, I’ve lived here off and on for 15 years (I spent 10 years in Norway in between). I’ve seen inside the EU and the Outers’ holy grail of the Norway option. Inside is far better than out. The campaign was a farce. The remain campaign was fractured, low-key and disorganised. And I think it’s fair to say there was arrogance on both sides of the campaign. From remain? The presumption that the “little people” wouldn’t dare vote to leave; on the Outers’ part, a presumption that their constituency wasn’t canny enough to ask them… Read more »

skarabMM Member
skarab

Thank you Anth – fabulous resume.

Fleur
Fleur

Do we need bankers? If we are heading for an inevitable recession, nothing to do with Brexit, but caused by the financial bubble itself which now is only propped up by inflated house prices in places like…..London…..then a crash in financial markets, long overdue and necessary, will get rid of a lot of bankers anyway, and house prices will fall to where they should be, where ordinary people can have a home, somewhere to live. It seems to be like moving the chairs around on the Titanic whether bankers hang out in London or somewhere else in Europe.

AnthMM Member
Anth

Perhaps we don’t need bankers, no. But banking and associated financial services is the UK’s major industry these days. And if you hobble (at best) the UK’s major industry, it will have major effects elsewhere in the economy. Because banking does not exist in a vacuum. Off the top of my head? Services, retail, catering, transport, communications, IT, and, yes, real estate – all of those sectors will be affected, and not necessarily in a good way. Whichever way you slice it, this will mean major job losses, and not just among bankers. All those people employed in businesses, or… Read more »

davidlMM Member
davidl

Correct me if I’m wrong but Scotland leaving the union won’t mean instant membership to the EU. That will take years ? Doesn’t leaving just put them where they would have been if they had left before ?
Also the pound devaluation means that the Nissan factory can now produce cars for 30% less ? No ?
There are advantages to a lower pound for exporters, huge ones. I’d say that if the pound stays low , manufacturers will be clambering to build factories in the UK.

davidlMM Member
davidl

Holidays in Majorca will be a bit more expensive 😉

Jokerman
Jokerman

The Germans, Dutch and Scandis will have more room for their beach towels and their acrobatics of performing fat pirulent human triangles frightening the children and small lapdogs of seriously over-jewelled French women.

Jokerman
Jokerman

The more things change,
the more they stay the same.

I don’t think the UK will be a serious target of those who think they can manufacture things cheaply. That egg is scrambled, even if they have found the eggshell where the egg came from. Too many East European, Central and South Asian states to choose from with no spectre of militant union ghosts hanging around.

AnthMM Member
Anth

Scotland is in talks with the EU about fast tracked membership if it declares independence. Nissan is in Sunderland because a) the EU subsidy regime for deprived regions; b) access to the single market. Both advantages go with Brexit. And a weak pound doesn’t mean Nissan (or any other manufacturer) automatically benefits because once we leave the EU, we leave the single market. Unless you have a trade deal with the bloc, tariffs are imposed on imports. With Brexit, those Qashqais become imports from a non-participant in the single market who doesn’t have a trade deal. And believing that we… Read more »

davidlMM Member
davidl

Ok, so the EU remains pretty much alone in applying tariffs. While the rest of the world through free trade agreements has become virtually tarrif free. How long can that go on I wonder ?

It’s definitely a mess
🙂

Caps
Caps

You should really google free trade and international trade agreements before making such wildly inaccurate statements. Lies and misinformation seems to be the major problem in this whole debate.

wooly bully
wooly bully

Anti said: Remain failed. But the Leavers have failed too. They did not – not once, not a single time – say where and how they will replace the billions – and it is billions – of EU cash that props up these areas. Rather, they claimed that we pay more to the EU than we get back. That’s a lie. Rather, they claimed that they would “secure the borders” and “halt immigration”. Another lie. Anth, you do realize that the UK transfers *billions* of pounds every year to the EU. That will stop. Those monies will stay in the… Read more »

maggiekerrMM Member
maggiekerr

Hi MM have enjoyed taking time to read comments form many astute peeps who offer the 2 extreme positions with clarity & great passion. And this is the point me thinks, as we are drawn into polarized positions from the Jupiter/ Saturn/Neptune squares. We are now ‘reaping’ the outcomes from the globalization agenda from 1989/90 when this cycle began as plans were being laid for the Euro model…and the emerging Chinese & Russian economies. Regardless of ‘apparent agendas’ on both sides I see Brexit as the first major crack in the wall between the old 3D reality fear/consumption bankster model… Read more »

Ampersand
Ampersand

I voted leave because the European superstate is a cabal run by unelected heads of businesses. It is a farce and a sham. They deliberately bomb countries for profit, then the poor people come here not because they want to come here but because they have no country left. The government let them in, deliberately. That puts pressure on the local populations, particularly in the south east of England. At the same time, our current Tory “government” (who are the heads of corporations themselves) are deliberately running down public services, so they can privatise them. They put the “immigrant problem”… Read more »

GemyogiMM Member
Gemyogi

Thanks, this makes the whole thing a bit clearer for me. YES to taking back power from the corporations, the super rich and corrupt banks and governments (basically all of them!). I really hope this takes the UK towards that — the ‘free market’, capitalism, the ‘trickle down’ effect, is all lies and the powers that be attempting to keep the people ignorant and enslaved.

Ampersand
Ampersand

Thanks Gemyogi. It is currently breaking my heart to see how my friends have fallen for the “game”. The game is this: The BBC propaganda machine is all over the fact that “educated people” voted remain (translation: middle class non-racists with stocks and shares and property) and the less educated (translation the working class scum who have nothing and are racist), voted leave. So what is going to happen now is that the poor get demonised again, this time by the middle classes. The country will go to the dogs (this is a deliberate strategy) and the government will be… Read more »

Seabird
Seabird

Thank you for this. If I were British I would have voted to remain, but I am so aware that the issue is much more nuanced than the media (who are all just part of the machine anyway, Rupert et al- they are all there to prop up the status quo) are letting on. May you all move past the witch hunts, the blame and the smoke screens and take this for the opportunities it presents to slay the fuquers and move on and up. I so hope. I so hope. But I fear just the same crock of crap… Read more »

wooly bully
wooly bully

We don’t need these huge powers. What we need is to realise that we are afraid, are being kept afraid and powerless by the rich.

Third world countries keep their citizens uneducated in order to maintain their power over them; what happens when you have an educated population but you need to maintain control? You (generally speaking,) instill fear via the hysterical propaganda machine.

CentaurusMM Member
Centaurus

I thought I’d share Ed’s political astrology this week discussing the historical planetary configurations relevant to this post for those interested or curious.

http://edtamplin.com/weekly%20horoscopes.htm

JaneyMM Member
Janey

Interesting..when turnball called the election, I thought ‘oh oh its mars retro, it will backfire’ we will see.

Star inspired
Star inspired

The whole concept of voting on the Brexit during Mars stationary retro in Scorpio, seems like a major ‘dud move’ to me!

Clearly the days of ‘consulting the court astrologer’ are OVER!!!

BLISS WITCHMM Member
BLISS WITCH

I had the exact same thought!

Jokerman
Jokerman

Now we’ll see how tough the UK is. On the EU’s moribundity, l think it’d have been better to have reformed from within rather than take the bat home. Maybe ‘that’ was the problem, Europe doesn’t play cricket; not to any sunstantiall level.

Star inspired
Star inspired

I am definitely ‘all for’ stemming the power of the central banks & am an avid supporter of anti-establishment/ independence movements (I am a Sun conj Uranus afterall), provided they are aligned with the highest good of all. However, it concerns me that the ‘Leave’ vote was predominantly made up of those who were the easy targets of mass fear mongering campaigns, run by the extreme right wing, whose voices are getting louder & whose divise rhetoric is gaining momentum particularly in the UK, US & Australia. Hence Trump. With this sort of racist, anti-Islam, anti-asylum seeker, anti-immigration, neo-fascism on… Read more »

scorpiodawnMM Member
scorpiodawn

on an entirely diff note-im having uranus transiting my chiron exact!
any ideas abt this, u lovely astro folk?
(cant put this on the forum anymore) x

LiliMM Member
Lili

SD- Well, aside from standing up for the disenfranchised-

What house/sign is your Chiron? Martha Lang Westcott says Chiron expects exceptions to the rule- rules bent or broken.( She sees Psyche more as the wound that needs healing.)

So this transit in my 3rd brought up different learners and Section 504 needs for middle and high school kids. Especially mine-Also survived a malady- which involved identifying and healing “difference” to heal.

Uranus brings enlightenment- zaps judgments- blink of an eye -people, across the galaxy inspiration. Mind the gap! LOL!

scorpiodawnMM Member
scorpiodawn

yes thankyou mystic-i voted to leave, which evidently goes against most of my peer group.
fed up of the ranting on fbook of my friends and the implication that i am rightwing and maybe racist for doing so.
the way i voted had nothing to do with immigration, it was mostly ant wanting a say in how im governed as opposed to brussels deciding it for me thru the back door.
dont like the way the whole thing has got potentially divisive and pitting friends against friends. scary.

sphinx
sphinx

That would be upsetting.
Take heart in the idea that ultimately these people are passionate about what they think is the best way to make a good life?
There was some ex spy who was on TED talks lately who said something like, “everyone sees themselves as one of the good guys”. We may not agree about how to get there, but we all want a better life.

LiliMM Member
Lili

SD, I respect your choice. I compulsively read BBC, The Guardian, Le Monde, Marianne, The Irish Times, and other UK and Euro media. The mass immigration crisis and Europe dealing solo with disastrous US Middle East policies- has been vastly unfair and a mess. We Americans have no clue as to the influx to Europe of immigrant arrival- and how it would strain infrastructure. Our state just halted federal mandates to welcome Syrian immigrants. The NGO pushing for it is all out of town, young people with no connections to the communities they are trying to integrate. Personally I am… Read more »

scorpiodawnMM Member
scorpiodawn

thankyou for your responses peeps x

The Venus FlyMM Member
The Venus Fly

I think the whole BREXIT situation is a hell of a lot more nuanced than the discussion is touching on. Though England was arguably the world’s most aggressive colonizing nation it was in general a hell of a lot more open than other European nations about accepting migrants from colonized nations than non-English speaking nations (*side eyes France and the Eastern blocks*). I saw this coming years back, but not due to the most recent migrant crisis – but due to cross-migration within the EU. Remember, the UK never took on the Euro, it kept the pound which has been… Read more »

Jokerman
Jokerman

But Oz will alwayz have sunshine, pineapples, oranges and nectarines. England is a brown muddy paddock with rabbits.

Year of the Phoenix
Year of the Phoenix

Also feeling grateful for Medicare and always feel my vote counts, there are so many people who can’t be bothered using their right to vote who might swing it…. Kids bloody enroll to vote! Girls, women fought long and hard for this so don’t take it for granted!

The Venus FlyMM Member
The Venus Fly

About to post my vote right now. Sydney needs Baird out ASAP – it feels like Conservative post Olympics Sydney all over again and I can’t get with such a soulless state as that…

The Venus FlyMM Member
The Venus Fly

TYPO – Baird’s cronies OUT.

Aquarianne
Aquarianne

Nice, thoughtful and considered global comment TVL. I am a Kiwi so have no skin in the game of any of these shenanigans except as a global citizen who is appalled at the behaviour of politicians and stirrers everywhere with no apparent ability to even think about what the consequences of their actions might be.

davidlMM Member
davidl

I see the financial markets have got nasty. Britain Is now under attack by the central banks. The pound is being hammered.
This British financial ‘devaluation’ is in essence punishment and bullying by the central banks and their corporate partners. This is war 2016 style folks.
This is what happens when you piss off the globalised financial beast.
If any country can withstand all the false financial lies and fear mongering being trumpeted to the world today Britain can.

LiliMM Member
Lili

Yes, because Britain is the OG old school club. LOL!!

skarabMM Member
skarab

Absolutely! The biggest fuqing banksters are to be found in The City of London. It’s the oldest and biggest banking mafia in the world.

British people are being had by their own banks and government – itself in the grasp of the banksters. They have fiscal sovereignty FFS – unlike the Euro Zone countries who are at the mercy of the European Central Bank.

Ampersand
Ampersand

Yes yes yes.

wooly bully
wooly bully

There was no choice. [They] had to put the fear of God into the “leavers”. It was only six or seven years ago many UK’ers were lining up trying to withdraw their money from these banks. Then the US pres had to go live to say we are still friends ‘stabilizing’. This after his pre-referendum doom and gloom scenario he peddled. Two days later, everything bounced back. It’s all an illusion. We are getting a teeny peek behind the Wizard’s curtain. My apologies for the cynicism. I truly believe the fallout to this “virtual” civil war “win”, is Brussels and… Read more »

BLISS WITCHMM Member
BLISS WITCH
Unicorn SparklesMM Member
Unicorn Sparkles

I saw a bbc grab on this on the breakfast news.
“I didn’t think my vote would count” WTF..
Just how many flippant voters like these were there? You make the effort to turn up for a non compulsory vote but you treat it as a dart throwing exercise.

taking your freedoms for granted.

Fleur
Fleur

This is just the media attacking Brexit, so they find or create some nameless person to cry about having voted to leave, one among several million who are so happy now.

Martian
Martian

what a disaster !! They should have consulted an astrologer.
Don’t make drastic moves without thinking everything through during Mars retro!! It’s not going to end well.

Aquaria
Aquaria

Remember, remember …

skarabMM Member
skarab

sheeple have short memories.

LiberatingVenusMM Member
LiberatingVenus

https://youtu.be/AxIGZH3zo00?t=7s I can’t help but wonder if it will actually happen, though – I was reading that a vote to exit technically isn’t binding from a legal perspective. So at the end of the day (as is so often the case in many places, LOL) the vote may mean nothing. This is a pretty craptastic year to be voting on anything/one with the Saturn/Neptune Square in effect so hardcore – especially with the South Node about to meet up with Neptune. I think that we are all slowly going to have to ditch the mass delusion that we have democracy… Read more »

Jokerman
Jokerman

Your related note:
“Another One Rides the Bus” will give temporal relief.

sphinx
sphinx

Stop saying what I am thinking!! I keep fantasising about a country where all us sensible people can go. Freedom, no taxes and lots of fun. You would have to be of a certain vibration to enter that field of awareness that is my happy country. If your vibration is too low you can’t enter. I imagine a line of monasteries surround my shangri la, people meditating to change their vibe enough to get in..
So you can’t fly in, that would be dangerous, but you could come in on a chariot Athena style.

AnkhRising8.0MM Member
AnkhRising8.0

Sounds like somebody needs a good cup of tea, a spliff, & some Sun Ra playing in the background… yes: Me. I do.

Seriously looking forward to this upcoming Moon in Pisces weekend. Soul food, Neptunian love-ins/peace outs, dreamtime… Join me, LV, in a brief respite from these global delusions. Moon in Pisces vacay to what is truly Divine & Real. Ship’s leaving in a few hours!

Year of the Phoenix
Year of the Phoenix

All aboard!

LiliMM Member
Lili

Yay Pisces Moon. Meeting up with family and longtime 25 year friends-
It is summer here- planting flowers now that risk of frost is past. That’s a nod to British/French roots-

Our family friend’s British grandmother passed away this year. She remarked that the worst part of the WWII air raids was having her garden smashed up. She kept replanting as an act of defiance against Chao’s. Probably a Toro.

meredith
meredith

I see this, as an American, as the Brits giving Washington and its puppet David Cameron the plutonian middle finger. American hegemony depends on the EU allies and NATO doing its dirty work—destabilizing 7 countries in 15 years…and maintaining bases around Russia’s border. Watch out—-if you are fooled by the pc idea that Brexit is racist…that’s a way to manipulate you into doing what the 1% want and giving up your freedom.. Unfortunately the Leave is not a done deal…-Some predict the US and invisible forces will act as if the vote didn’t happen, and block it. Lots of work… Read more »

AnkhRising8.0MM Member
AnkhRising8.0

the Plutonian middle finger lol. And then the US threw shade right back: Wall Street started dropping UK stocks faster than hot potatoes. All this on a Mars rx in Scorpio. Tsk tsk.

LiliMM Member
Lili

Wonder what Mars direct will bring-

sphinx
sphinx

Yes I am surprised at the outcome, apparently it was too big to rig. I find it really strange that British people (often of colour!) who can’t find a job are being called racist for voting leave, guess we can’t all afford to be PC. Be interesting to see what the powers that be do with this on that chess & war games level and how they attempt to oppose.

PorkchopMM Member
Porkchop

Yes, I find the whole anti-Brexit cause it’s racist so PC and naive. I am not so sure Brexit is a good idea though cause of the financial implications and it seems like such a messy divorce.

embarkons7MM Member
embarkons7

If it’s overall a zap zone event I was thinking it feels very Saturn-Neptune for David Cameron. Just checked out his chart and he has some stressful transits going on — Pluto in cap square his natal Libra sun, retro Mars square his natal Leo Mars etc: http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/David_Cameron

Scorpio_RisingMM Member
Scorpio_Rising

thesis-antithesis backlash to changes the wheel keeps turning to create balance.

Jokerman
Jokerman

I had my own 2013 Brexit
Funny cos my #$/=# is an Exbrit

Jokerman
Jokerman

So if UK votes to get out of EU, why won’t they let Scotland and, presumably, Old North Wales and N Ireland go?

ArielMM Member
Ariel

Speaking as a Brit living abroad, this is unequivocally a tragic day for anyone who counts themselves against racism, fascism, the rise of the Far Right. Speaking personally, it’s gutting to the sense of myself I was privileged to grow up with as a European, not a Brit. I’ll hang on to that as rainy fascism island drifts away from everything else & sinks miserably, as it’s likely to do. Empire getting its just desserts, I guess. Immigration & race have been the key drivers behind this, & don’t let economic commentators convince you otherwise – I have heard countless… Read more »

Jokerman
Jokerman

UK was tipped to overtake Germany in gdp. The date that happens is now much further away.

lizajean
lizajean

I agree Ariel, these are troubling times for all of us. I’m an American living in the U.S. Fear is the reason that Brexit succeeded – call it independence or whatever else you want, but the the marketing of fear, once again, wins. No country is an island and we will all learn this the very hard way.

lifefantastic
lifefantastic

I agree. These are scary times. This is the exact platform Trump is running on. Fear and racism. Let this be a warning to the USA. If this can happen to Britain it can happen to us. Now unfortunately Ariel you will truly understand how embarrassing and humiliating it was for any American (especially traveling) after we voted in Bush. It was years of “what were you guys thinking?” looks from strangers and enormous amounts of apologizing. I am a member of Occupy and this is 100% not what we wanted. I don’t know ONE liberal, sensitive, educated person that… Read more »

seawitchmermaidMM Member
seawitchmermaid

So many chilling parallels to the current state of things in the US. Fuq.

AnkhRising8.0MM Member
AnkhRising8.0

Dubya wasn’t voted in: he was installed. Election fraud, & progressives were the scapegoat. Just like progressives will be scapegoated again if Trump “wins” in Nov. Just like in 2000, the Dems are putting the screws to the progressives again: get behind Hillary, or President Trump will be All Your Fault. Right? They’re tricky bitches, those republicrats & their corporate sponsers…

LiliMM Member
Lili

Agreed! When EU was created the envisioned future was not a multi- cultural Europe of diversity: non-Christian, other-than-white, lower income masses. Much of Brexit fear was socioeconomic, as it is here in the States- not just xenophobic.

icontainmultitudesMM Member
icontainmultitudes

Agreed Ariel. And a result that we will have to live with for far longer than those who voted us out.

PiMM Member
Pi

I have a question. Pluto returns are around 250 years right? So that means last time it was at this degree, it was about 1765 or sk. What was England doing then? Other than sending captain James Cook to the antipodes to see what he could see. I just googled England 1770 and wiki has this to say for that time, ” Later on in 1763, victory in the Seven Years’ War led to the dominance of the British Empire, which was to become the foremost global power for over a century and later grew to become the largest empire… Read more »

PiMM Member
Pi

Point being, could be a super big crunch time in relation to its remnant status as a colonial power. Sweeping away the vestiges to be reborn as…?

icontainmultitudesMM Member
icontainmultitudes

To be reborn as….

…just England and Wales again!

Scotland will vote for independence. Northern Ireland is looking at it’s first ever call for a ‘border poll’ (join with R of Ireland for a United Ireland) something I truly never thought I’d see in my lifetime

I’m born and bred Northern Irish and thought our hard won peace was too fragile for such a vote. But here we are…

Honestly believe my kids will answer history essay questions on ‘How the Brexit vote of 2016 lead to the dissolution of the United Kingdom ‘.

PiMM Member
Pi

So, if you consider that Pluto is about England asserting / fighting for / establishing its identity or dominance as a stand alone power (state, nation whatever) as MM mentioned, then I guess both times have actually been about that, even if it’s come at a cost. So the Pluto return for a Capricorn country might be a Thing. I mean, maybe.

PiMM Member
Pi

So it would be interesting to see what happens to France around late 2030s, given that is the Pluto return for the French revolution.

Jokerman
Jokerman

July 14 is coming up for an opp.

PiMM Member
Pi

in fact it’s the pluto return for australia’s being laid claim to by the english too. 1788-9 for both. quite the global tumult, back then no matter what continent you belonged to. so maybe 2030s pluto starts laying into the deep sub systems that run the world, not just the obvious things (banks, perverted institutions, etc) – but the actual frameworks that have defined political and economic power for >250 years. i mean there’s the digital $ and bitcoin etc but right now it’s still ‘democratic’ capitalism and rampant corruption, concentration of big $$ in invisible places that kinda runs… Read more »

embarkons7MM Member
embarkons7

Interesting, and yes, Andrew Brown called the potency of the leave argument “post-Imperial stress disorder” — yearning for the nationalist power and social cohesion Britain had back when it was imperial instead of the messier more diffuse if prosperous and peaceful European creature it had become…..

PiMM Member
Pi

Ah that’s interesting! PISD …?

Aqua-cap-GeminiMM Member
Aqua-cap-Gemini

Love this angle Pi. I just read an article this morning talking about this being Britains’ chance to build the country into something amazing. This is future for Britain, either wallow in ideas of pain or get out there and til the soil, start up industry again and build the future they want to see. Australia needs to do the same thing. The lure of corporations and bankster dollars is too much for some. The rest of us want the right to determine where we’re going and how we’re gonna get there. If only they could make the sky blue… Read more »

PiMM Member
Pi

It all sounds like a pretty tall order…

Jokerman
Jokerman

Don’t discount the fact that Aust is also Cap (1/1/1901) & that England was genising Oz as you say in 1770 looking for some love in the sky.

Aqua-cap-GeminiMM Member
Aqua-cap-Gemini

Is it 1901? I thought it was 1788 ?

itsmek
itsmek

Invaded on 26 January 1788. Federation (of colonies to become states of an actual.nation) is 1 January 1901.

Jokerman
Jokerman

The colony of NSW was 1788. Australia is only country in the world to celebrate its bday on the WRONG day!!!

Lady L
Lady L

Australia was born 40,000 years ago, people.

Jokerman
Jokerman

But the last incarnation is the one used. All countries can claim earlier existences. Germany for example is older than the 1940s.

Alouetta
Alouetta

It wasn’t called Australia then.

Jokerman
Jokerman

In fact the term “Australia” was coined by Mathew Flinders in 1802. 14 years aft erroneously celebrated bday. GFF.

Lady L
Lady L

A rose by any other name…

PiMM Member
Pi

Yes, I wanted to write more but was getting typing fatigue (this is why screen based life will never succeed) .. makes sense that England’s ties to so many other countries back then would be given a shake too. Also I wonder if b/c the Maastricht treaty also set up the Euro, that is an interesting way of seeing the recent Euro crisis . Its birthday is having a Pluto transit I guess?

PiMM Member
Pi

Also if you think about it, England at that time decided they wanted oz as a jail, out of sight out of mind. Very 12th house!

Jokerman
Jokerman

Amazingly apt.

dizzarinaMM Member
dizzarina

Ooh nice detective work there, Pi!

sphinx
sphinx

Love it Pi 🙂

davidlMM Member
davidl

The remain side had no answer to the underlying reason people voted to leave. Immigration policy. The last 4 Australian elections have been won and lost on these same issues. The working class in western countries have watched themselves be slowly but surely marginalized by globalization and the rise of the digital economy. They fear for there livelihoods and their homelands. These fears have been latched onto by ultra nationalists and we are seeing a major shift of the working class in the west to the far right. This is a backlash to corporate greed and global trade / labour… Read more »

Jokerman
Jokerman

Starring Will Smith, Seth Green, Olga Kurylenko and Simon Pegg. Julieanne Moore as Angela Merkel.

Seabird
Seabird

I love this comment and I love David’s as well. Spot on!

sphinx
sphinx

Exactly!! As usual we have this binary buffoonery. But at some point unchecked globalisation and corporatisation isn’t great for anyone.

dizzarinaMM Member
dizzarina

Yep yep yep.

sphinx
sphinx

So agree. Usual binary crap on offer. Would hate for forward thinking, nuance or logic to interfere with this either of these positions.

Unicorn SparklesMM Member
Unicorn Sparkles

Boundaries being set during the hyper flux I guess.

AnkhRising8.0MM Member
AnkhRising8.0

Yes. Very big boundaries with yuge ramifications being erected during the Hyper Flux. Like trying to build a house during a tornado. Problem.

Scorpie
Scorpie

“Yuge”. Lol.
My Gem NN, Saggo moon loves that! <3

AnkhRising8.0MM Member
AnkhRising8.0

I’ve been Berning for years, baby 😉 Sagittarius MC-Neptune-North Node <3

Unicorn SparklesMM Member
Unicorn Sparkles

Better leave my helmet on. Might even line it with tin foil. Cause, you know, the voices.

Seabird
Seabird

I just find this whole thing fascinating to watch, from the sidelines. I wonder what the repercussions will be in Europe. It seems the majority have spoken, and whilst I personally disagree with brexit, I’m not involved so I can shut up. It is indeed one model of neo-liberalism versus another model of neo-liberalism. I can’t help wonder if britain has just voted itself into an intense corner of yet more neo-everything. But the euro model is flawed, no doubt about it – the recent influx of Syrian refugees showed just how flawed and how many countries who have recently… Read more »

Sagg girl
Sagg girl

This is a catastrophe. Full stop 🙁

kimlovesstuffMM Member
kimlovesstuff

Total catastrophe, really surprised how right wing this whole discussion page is!

PorkchopMM Member
Porkchop

Do you think Angela Merkel’s mass immigration decision is good for the EU?

Scorpio_RisingMM Member
Scorpio_Rising

no.

Jen Scorpio
Jen Scorpio

The question to leave or stay the EU involved more than just migration issues, which those pumping for the exit vote seemed to miss. Nonetheless, the exodus of refugees (I’m sure these people wouldn’t want to leave their home under normal circumstances) didn’t just effect the UK or Germany. It affects the whole of the EU and the world. Just like the other important issues around the question to leave or stay the EU. That is probably why many people around the world think it’s a stunningly short sighted move.

supakaliMM Member
supakali

me too, I have a lot of friends in the UK, progressive types, not ONE of them thinks it’s good. Putin and Trump do. that’s all I need.

petal
petal

Me three!
I and every sensible person I know voted remain. I’m wholeheartedly for inclusion, cooperation, compassion, bridges not walls etc. The ‘leave’ figureheads are very unsavoury, right wing characters. Far from future-minded this feels like a massive step backwards and I have cried real tears today.

supakaliMM Member
supakali

ok, I found one this morning, but that guy’s a bit of a diq

icontainmultitudesMM Member
icontainmultitudes

Thinking the same thing reading these comments…

I’m from Northern Ireland. It’s a disaster for us. My family/friends across the UK are shocked and depressed.

Aqua-cap-GeminiMM Member
Aqua-cap-Gemini

I love this Astro take on vita-brix and glad they pulled out. I also like to observe other oracle type signs – such as the bizarre ‘flash flooding’ that’s been going on in oz and the U.K. (Couple weeks ago). The Hindu scriptures refer to flooding as being representative of deep significant change (I’m summarizing, paraphrasing) and that we’ll see radical change as a result. The strange flooding here in oz leads me to wonder how radical the results from our upcoming election is going to be. Sentiments shared in social media seem very anti traditional routes and people voicing… Read more »

Jokerman
Jokerman

I drove thru 23 flooded crossings and took a detour of 100+kms. Most were 200mm deep. 5 were 300mm deep. But one gauge was flawed and it was upto 50mm above door sill. My trusty Pug Diesel plowed thru. No water got in though.

emgMM Member
emg

The question I had to ask myself was ‘would I join the EU now?” my answer was NO. The uranian utopian vision has not worked out the way it should or could have and I thank pluto for it’s power to make us see the reality of the unit as a whole. What I do hope for now is that the rest of Europe will take a good hard look at the situation and redesign the working model. Greater individuality, less red tape but still the freedom to trade and enjoy our neighbours. I love being European but I was… Read more »

scorpiodawnMM Member
scorpiodawn

we signed into europe in 1975…

scorpmoongirlMM Member
scorpmoongirl

I think a lot of people are sick of the neoliberal policies that have abounded, giving more power and equity to the few while the majority have become hopeless. We are seeing both real and relative poverty in developed and undeveloped countries. Coupling this with mass migration and destabilisation of the Eurozone I can understand why the vote for independence got up. Whether it’s a good or bad decision……who knows. Time will tell. The planet need a recalibration of wealth and equity. No more of the 1% controlling the wealth.

Jen Scorpio
Jen Scorpio

It’s interesting that you cite that people being sick of neoliberal policies as being part of why people voted to leave the EU. I felt as if these neoliberal/neo-cons were very much a driving force behind the vote to leave the EU, relying on fear and xenophobia to drive their vote to a significant degree, not completely, but it seemed to me to be a very big part of it. I’m not convinced that the privileged few will not benefit from this anyway; it’s just all a matter of them shuffling the chess pieces so to speak. I certainly don’t… Read more »

Star inspired
Star inspired

Brilliantly articulated Jen Scorpio!!!

Jen Scorpio
Jen Scorpio

Thanks Star inspired (great moniker)!

AlouettaMM Member
Alouetta

Can you explain how this will lead to a recalibration of wealth and equity? I don’t understand the finer points of the whole Brexit thing. Most of the reporting on it that I’ve seen has depicted the Leave campaign to be, well, kind of racist. So I can see how mass migration could stir up xenophobia, but I don’t get how leaving the EU will fundamentally change who’s wealthy and who’s not.

Seabird
Seabird

It won’t – that;s just how its been sold to the masses who voted to leave.

Star inspired
Star inspired

Hear hear!
(Hear Ye! Hear Ye!)

virgo rising
virgo rising

only those with a vested interest in the status quo will be unhappy…I myself am jumping for joy

virgo rising
virgo rising

so recent news reports that leave has had the day…with other eu members, esp France and Netherlands being the most immediately vocal to have their own referendums…while Greece Portugal and Italy who are decidedly disadvantaged in the EU will no doubt follow suit. People have woken up, thanks to the transformative astro of our time and are fed up with what I call Pharoah’s Incorporated, the privileged few who live off the sweat and blood of the masses…who are now massing to make an exodus from the bondage of the corrupt and self serving and into the unknown where a… Read more »

Lindsey
Lindsey

Right on!

moongoatMM Member
moongoat

How will Brexit stop oppression by corporations within Britain and transnationally? What was happening before thry entered the EU?

virgo risingMM Member
virgo rising

All these suits are now being put on notice that people will no longer put up being dictated to by those who do not have their welfare at heart, but who are operating on the basis of wielding power and controlling…now within the State the game is changing, the balance of power of shifting and businesses within Britain will have to find a new way to deal with challenges, now being outside the fold. They cannot revert to modus operandi of pre EU times…the clock does not move backwards and consciousness is now far more elevated than it was over… Read more »

Ampersand
Ampersand

I love your posts Virgo Rising (aloha from another Virgo rising)

quintileMM Member
quintile

I reckon it is their right to do so – it was an innovative but flawed model – eg no shared fiscal policy despite a shared central bank and currency. Typical Pluto – and as someone said, the UK is to Europe as Japan is to Asia – an independent island identity…

Lux Interior Is My Co-PilotMM Member
Lux Interior Is My Co-Pilot

Tres interesting!

“Britain is having a Pluto transit”, we better send them some Pluto juice 🙂

GeminianMM Member
Geminian

Or a candle 😉

Ampersand
Ampersand

Thanks. Your username rocks my world. I thought it was very diplomatic of Madame Medusa not to post “Anarchy in the UK” as the YouTube link 😉

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