Leos Expectations Give Them Vertigo

Leo high expectations - Lion in a wheelbarrow

Leo expectations can be crazy high.

They keep the true height of them secret. Left unaddressed, they lead to Self-Limiting Syndrome or the Leo becomes a Dark Sun Leo.

This style of Leo only rates sycophants. Anyone else is “disloyal.”

Or they generate tawdry dramas out of inferior material. They need a stage, arena, or a creative outlet. If they can’t be Performance Leo, they’ll turn their life into a third rate, daytime drama.

Like a knock-off perfume compared to the real thing, they’ll use synthetic sentiment instead of genuine emotion. Pretending to despise quality recognition, they’ll take cheaper forms of validation where-ever they can get it.

At Worst, Leo Expectations Lead To Dark Sun Leos, Clutching At Rusty Trophies

Dark Sun Leos are tragic, clutching at rusty trophies and creating constant control dramas. They dilute the Leo love of culture into pomposity. The natural Leonine flair for fashion turns into style snark.

They project Leo expectations onto everyone but themselves.

Of course,  there are Leos with a pro work ethic and the willingness to be humble at appropriate points in their vector.

Think Haute Leos: Richard Prince, Gillian Anderson, Helen Mirren, Tony Allen, Henri Cartier-Bresson, Alex Hayley (the author of Roots) & the reinvented Monica Lewinsky.

They are all Performance Leos, dedicated to their craft and creating a legend out of their lives via devotion to an art form or cause.

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tw:leo
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tw:leo
June 19, 2016 8:21 am

i need to read this post and thread like once a week.

Sutra
Sutra
June 19, 2016 6:18 am

Wow how apt to find this article now! This is something I’m literally facing at the moment as I realize in these subtle moments I have a choice to go out there and try something, in front of a crowd even if I’m not even 100% close to knowing what I’m doing. You have to start somewhere and the only way to get better is to actually take action in doing or practicing the very thing you want to learn. Things don’t change whilst hiding in the cave! I have a Leo moon…but still got this propensity to self limit… Read more »

leogroover
leogroover
June 16, 2016 5:03 am

Hell yeah. Il retreat if its not about me me me. I just won’t go to occasions just nup nup nup.

Sam
Sam
June 15, 2016 3:32 am

You know what that lion needs though. Serious here. A nice tall patch of boulders to climb to the top of, to catch the last of the sun’s rays each day as he surveils his kingdom. Seriously.

leogroover
leogroover
June 16, 2016 5:09 am
Reply to  Sam

So true. I was sun baking any and every solar ray last Saturday here in Tas after floods and rain and zero temps.
Im a 40 degree south 80 newbie.

It was heaven.

Jokerman
Jokerman
June 16, 2016 5:32 am
Reply to  leogroover

The rain in Tassie falls mainly in Sydney.

Electro
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Electro
June 16, 2016 7:01 pm
Reply to  Sam

I love those last rays, they are the most golden of them all.

leogroover
leogroover
June 16, 2016 11:44 pm
Reply to  Electro

too funny PF

Sam
Sam
June 17, 2016 6:57 pm
Reply to  Electro

yes!

Skarab
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Skarab
June 15, 2016 12:49 am

Isn’t it Libras are diplomats, Caps are ambassadors and Leos are monarchs? They don’t have to sell anything – their will is the all … dahling ;-).

sphinx
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sphinx
June 14, 2016 5:27 pm

Funny, I always forget that Leo rules my 3rd. I really like creative writing and am Mercury Rising. Leo Self Limiting Syndrome in the 3rd? I just called it laziness and fear of the spotlight (Pisces MC/Moon in Scorp!). Dark Sun Leo in the 3rd.. “sucking up all light in any room, a blur of affectations, frippery, pomposity and faux theatrics”. I am afraid my writing style would be criticised thusly!! (Aaand using words like ‘thusly’ will of course ensure that result) Piscean Pa expected ‘brilliance’ and results without effort or training. He believed in natural born genius and not… Read more »

Jokerman
Jokerman
June 14, 2016 6:11 pm
Reply to  sphinx

Wordification is an artform

Jokerman
Jokerman
June 14, 2016 4:50 pm

The whirligig that is my brain just stopped to actually pause on the theme of this post. I have Leonine Merc/Uran Cj, straddling 1&2 H cusp (Placidus) or in Koch 2H. Anyways I’ve always felt I could been an actor or comedian or a writer. Aber my Mars/Pluto/Venus 2H trijunct demanded responsibility to my family to undertake such a financially risky course.

But Uran is about to hit my MC; maybe that film script or book will manifest then. I can feel the ‘displacement’ building.

Electro
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Electro
June 14, 2016 6:40 pm
Reply to  Jokerman

What about that thang you were working on? Wasn’t it an upholstery analogy? I’m probably butchering it, apologies, I don’t remember the specifics. I do remember the color wheel you came up with but this was something else.

Jokerman
Jokerman
June 14, 2016 8:06 pm
Reply to  Electro

I gotta get tech dude at school to film it for me. Plus l gotta get the blurb right. I still think colour wheel has application. Primary colours trine. Secondary colours sextile. Complementary colours opposition.

SleepfulInBrisvegas
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SleepfulInBrisvegas
June 15, 2016 3:11 pm
Reply to  Jokerman

We soooooo need to catch up. The dust is only just starting to settle for me and I’m hoping the school holidays will give me (and the boy) the reset we both need.

Jokerman
Jokerman
June 15, 2016 8:12 pm

yes. well my Pisces /Scorp Asc ‘more-than-interest’ lives in Brizzy. I am thinkn of going to see her again the weekend of the 24-26th June.

I was thinkn about you when I saw my Uran will be on my MC at the very end of Aries. I should check where Koch has my MC. That planet is displacing me as far as thoughts, ruminations and desires go re writing somethn. Its my Scorp/Virgo obsessiveness about many topics that diffuses my energies.

Jokerman
Jokerman
June 15, 2016 8:16 pm

And I just saw your reference to a Japanese Garden. We spent an hour chatting in such a place amongst other things on Saturday plus another 4hrs on Sunday at SouthBank. so Yabba Dabba Doo

SleepfulInBrisvegas
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SleepfulInBrisvegas
June 16, 2016 1:17 am
Reply to  Jokerman

Ahhh Southbank also holds very dear memories for me. Especially a little place under the bridge. *sigh*

davidl
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davidl
June 14, 2016 7:49 pm
Reply to  Jokerman

My Leo is second house with Uranus there. I love Uranus there.
I can turn on a dime with how I earn my money. Uranus always has a quirky solution.

Jokerman
Jokerman
June 14, 2016 8:11 pm
Reply to  davidl

My Leo Uran is 1H (Placidus) mit my Kat Sun there too. I just gotta be quirky me despite ppl thinkn lm nutz. Aqua Moon adds oomph! With my Leo Merc it all adds upto Monty Python Mayhem. The kids at school cant keep up. Teaching is for failed actors!

davidl
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davidl
June 14, 2016 3:39 pm

This dance piece was put together by one of her teachers and has 2 of daughters ex’s prominent. I think most of them are Leo’s .. 😉

sphinx
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sphinx
June 14, 2016 4:58 pm
Reply to  davidl

Wow they are amazing! What a pleasure it must be to see your lil cub dancing. As a Leo, I heartily approve.

cosmic fleece
cosmic fleece
June 15, 2016 2:22 am
Reply to  davidl

Hypnotic D !
Thank you x
May the force be with your lioness at tryouts. xx

LightningButterfly
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LightningButterfly
July 4, 2016 7:55 pm
Reply to  cosmic fleece

Those eyes with the stare down at the beginning- tres Leo!

davidl
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davidl
June 14, 2016 3:36 pm

Leo daughter is driven. A dancer with incredible skill that has been honed over 12 years of training and commitment. You could compare her regime to an elite athlete. Last nights conversation with 19 yo Leo daughter. ” so you’re going for a tryout with that influential dance company ? Yes, but I won’t get the position. So why are you trying out ? Maybe if you thought you could get it and you can you might actually get it. Dad, you don’t understand I’m not good enough yet.
Oh ok … Good luck with that ?

Sam
Sam
June 15, 2016 12:50 am
Reply to  davidl

No no! Ppl need to be encouraged to try before they feel ready. I mean I have no dance experience lol. But this would let her get a feel for the auditions… Handle nerves..ask her when WILL you be ready?? 20? 22? Etc. No one’s ever ready.

Maybe yes?

davidl
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davidl
June 15, 2016 1:03 am
Reply to  Sam

Yes but with her I see that within the field there is this pecking order, quite authoritarian. It’s not just based on skill. And I see that’s she’s just taken her place in the line and she’s accepted that authority.. Like she’s not going to feel her own worth, she’s going to wait for someone else to tell her what her worth is and go along with that. I must admit I see it a lot in that age group. We need 19 year olds to be questioning authority, breaking down dinosaur political structures. Raging in the street ! I… Read more »

Chrysalis
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Chrysalis
June 14, 2016 3:15 pm

I absolutely get this. Leo rising with moon-Lilith-Eros-Juno in my 5th (Cap). Post-Chiron return I’ve taken up an instrument with the aim of finally realising my dream to be a singer-songwriter. I battle daily with the knowledge that it doesn’t matter how long I practise and how good I ever became, I will never be as good as someone who’s been playing since they were seven years old, and maybe I’ve left my run too late. So what is the point? Perhaps I’d rather leave the dream intact. Being a multi-Pisces it’s very easy to leave the dream intact because… Read more »

SleepfulInBrisvegas
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SleepfulInBrisvegas
June 14, 2016 8:44 pm
Reply to  Chrysalis

Stupid choices already made that don’t need to be made now (freeing up other choices) or to be made again (because you totally learned the lesson!)

I’ve just recently had my wake up call. Turns out life mission and creative zeal align. Now for the rest to just fall into place. *snorts*

SleepfulInBrisvegas
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SleepfulInBrisvegas
June 14, 2016 8:54 pm
Reply to  Chrysalis

Play for your own gratification and enjoyment. If you don’t have that at the bottom of whatever it is (singing, painting, dancing, weaving etc etc) it will always be a hollow and ultimately unfulfilling endeavour.

Be your first and best audience. And love the process for what it is.

SleepfulInBrisvegas
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SleepfulInBrisvegas
June 14, 2016 3:11 pm

Oh this is SO the Libra (ex) Lover (Leo rising). Seething with creative potential but won’t even try anything because he can’t be good at it right away. Told him all creatives have to start somewhere and he just had to deal with that. To begin with something he could do without having to have that need for precision and perfection. *sigh*

Man, this makes him make so much more sense now. He’d be such a happier person if he could channel that repressed creative zeal into something.

Chrysalis
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Chrysalis
June 14, 2016 3:18 pm

“..such a happier person if he could channel that repressed creative zeal into something.” You’ve just described me!

SleepfulInBrisvegas
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SleepfulInBrisvegas
June 14, 2016 8:50 pm
Reply to  Chrysalis

We were sitting in the Japanese gardens section of the Botanial gardens talking about this. Lounging in the grass in the sun, carefully separated by at least a foot’s distance (the only successful platonic date we managed!!). I remember trying to explain that it was as much for fun, for enjoyment. And now I understand in his head he was in competition with himself (or whomever) over being good enough. He made soap, he’d half made a 3D printer (stopped by the fact he couldn’t solder well enough!), there was a dying project somewhere along with books on batik, a… Read more »

geminirising
geminirising
June 14, 2016 2:56 pm

So this is why some Aquarius have impossible expectations about their partners? Because they have Leo energy and SLS syndrome in their partnership section? :/

embarkons7
embarkons7
June 14, 2016 8:05 pm
Reply to  geminirising

Ooh! As an aqua this hits home.

That said, I do think the fact that aqua and leo are both fixed and in opposition means that there’s different manifestations of the same energies, and think that this SLS business can sometimes be true for the perhaps more visionary cerebral goals of the aqua as well . . . .

Jill Rob
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Jill Rob
June 14, 2016 11:40 am

Thanks MM! – you have just helped me understand my very lovely and onto it (thank goodness) but unbelievably self-centred, dramatic and self-pitying boss.

DaytimeSoaps
DaytimeSoaps
June 14, 2016 10:13 am

Is it me or do Taurus peeps get no love on MM? So what if we astrologically represent the majority of the “Real Housewives” cast? I barely have any Leo in my chart and I’ve never questioned myself more. (Half-joking, people.)

Sam
Sam
June 17, 2016 7:01 pm
Reply to  DaytimeSoaps

hehe!

site-historically (?) speaking, toro does seem to get love, maybe it’s been a little while tho
it’s nearly Taurus season so (ahem) be patient? ; )

Golightly
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Golightly
June 14, 2016 9:39 am

Nothing in Leo but my Pisces sun is in the 5th house and I’m tortured by this sense of all-or- nothing mentality. My ideals are too lofty for my own good and it’s crippling and this post is so poignant and tragically true. How to work with that energy?
Humility sounds like an island in the Pacific. Is the only means of resolving it just swallowing some pride and doing IT?

Sam
Sam
June 17, 2016 1:02 am
Reply to  Golightly

So this is probably going to sound *completely ridiculous* but if you Google enough Madonna footage, you will eventually get a picture of someone who is relentless in their quest for numero uno. There was even a clip. Which I think is one of my faves, where she is running a vacuum cleaner thru the rehearsal space, or something, after a bunch of dancers have been thru and then she mouths off at the camera about laziness. However staged this is, I love it so much because I can see the no-bullshit point she is trying to make which is… Read more »

Sam
Sam
June 17, 2016 1:03 am
Reply to  Sam

Seaside? Wtf. = “it’s easier”

Sam
Sam
June 17, 2016 1:31 am
Reply to  Golightly

Point being. It’s not about swallowing your pride it’s about realising that pride (like the proper earned stuff) is made from many things even though it just looks like finishing touches, but the thing has been meticulously built ground-up, from the raw materials, by You.

Getting all philosophical here : D

Sam
Sam
June 17, 2016 1:36 am
Reply to  Sam

Even if the raw materials are your, like, spiritual input. Self belief is a thing.. well when your very identity is being audited by Saturn you had better have every element of that paper trail on hand. No weak links lol

Jokerman
Jokerman
June 17, 2016 1:41 am
Reply to  Sam

I got all philosophical once and was jailed for 3 months.
(Names and places changed to project the innocent)

Sam
Sam
June 17, 2016 6:58 pm
Reply to  Jokerman

depends on the philosophy I suppose.

Electro
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Electro
June 14, 2016 9:25 am

Unfortunately, this is me and I’m trying to push through. I’m solar Leo 9th, MC, and Saturn & Merc in the 10th. My sun is also at the apex of my t-square and I feel enormous pressure! I totally hide away in my Scorpio rising – people never believe I’m a Leo. Transiting Saturn has been hard-love awesome for me ever since my Saturn return. Even right now with it on my Moon & Neptune, I’m learning to drive that chariot rather than float on the safe waves. Thanks for this post, Mystic!

sphinx
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sphinx
June 14, 2016 5:07 pm
Reply to  Electro

My Kataka boy’s chart resembles yours a bit.

He has a Leo 10th/MC with Saturn/Mars conjunction in 10th – tho in Virgo.

It’s Perfection and red carpets or skulking with yearning face.
We both have 0 deg Mars in Virgo which I thought was the problem – but maybe it is a Leo problem after all.

Eclipse Tripper
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Eclipse Tripper
June 14, 2016 4:39 am

LOL + LOL

leoliza
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leoliza
June 14, 2016 3:48 am

12th house Leo, leo rising, venus and uranus. The 12th house Leo (july) square my 4th moon/nept conjunction….I am happy being behind the scenes but I do like my fair share of attention. These days, in my mid 50’s, I hate not my fair share of glances :/. I was so much more creative and more bold in my 20’s and 30’s. I need to get over myself…eh lol (am currently watching my mother for a month who has dementia….this is really depressing me, sorry)

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie
June 14, 2016 3:00 am

Leo Moon in my chart. Absolutely true. I always thought it was my Virgo Sun telling me I couldn’t do something because I needed to be perfect but my Leo Moon enforces that.

Just once I would like to get to a level of saying and doing something I am good at.

seawitchmermaid
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seawitchmermaid
June 14, 2016 3:52 am
Reply to  Virgo Ellie

Oh I so see this with my SO, he too has Leo moon but with Virgo rising. All or nothing for sure. Several of us love listening to him play guitar which he does beautifully but he hardly ever does because he doesn’t think he’s good enough to be heard by others!

Colleen
Colleen
June 15, 2016 9:40 am
Reply to  Virgo Ellie

Leo moon here, too. Been trying to dismantle the perfectionistic thing my entire life. 😛 It IS much easier when I’m doing an activity I absolutely love. Then I just don’t care that it’s not ‘perfect’. 🙂

Colleen
Colleen
June 15, 2016 9:41 am
Reply to  Colleen

Oooh, and intercepted in 8th house…. more things to mull over….

leohermit
leohermit
June 14, 2016 2:54 am

this pic is so my life at the mo …. leo with grandiose vision living in a little village with little minds…….wot the fuq have i done ?!?!?

hdq
hdq
June 14, 2016 1:59 am

This is why I need a housekeeper! Leo rules my 4th and the constant mess in my house (kids! no VIrgo! Taurus laziness and love of shopping plus Gemini boredom threshold of zero — what’s more boring than cleaning?!?) sucks away my creativity and joy. Also I feel like that lion right now looking for a new place and finding myself unable to afford anything worthy or even close. I have a huge chip on my shoulder from growing up in the uncool midwest and spending a decade of my adult life in rural poverty, surrounded by rednecks, and I’ll… Read more »

Sam
Sam
June 14, 2016 2:08 am
Reply to  hdq

<3

Skarab
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Skarab
June 14, 2016 6:42 am
Reply to  hdq

Love this, hdq – it does sound trés Leo indeed. As a Leo Moon/Libra Asc – I totally get “…and I’ll be damned if I voluntarily live anywhere that’s not spectacular” LOL….
sounding like the midwest Scarlett Ohara & the “As god is my witness…” vow 🙂

Sam
Sam
June 14, 2016 6:57 am
Reply to  hdq

Leo, my home is my castle? Maybe a perspective shift… House proud might sound frump-tastic but I can kinda also see you dressed warrior (Eris) style as you go about the high-stakes production that is Your Personal Kingdom
Or something : D

Electro
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Electro
June 14, 2016 9:01 am
Reply to  hdq

Hey nothing wrong with going for the best. If that’s what you want and need, why the hell not.

hdq
hdq
June 14, 2016 10:20 pm
Reply to  Electro

Heh, my best is not conventional house proud but little and quirky and definitely warrior woman. With Scarlett O’Hara drapes. 🙂 At the moment tho I just want it to not be that wheelbarrow! Anything but that wheelbarrow.

seawitchmermaid
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seawitchmermaid
June 16, 2016 3:58 pm
Reply to  hdq

All I want is a housekeeper. 🙂

Sam
Sam
June 14, 2016 1:58 am

Very helpful to have this articulated. It’s a Saturn in Leo journey … I’d add moon in cap but since cap ruler is in Leo.. squaring an outer planet in my 5th : general repetition of that energy in my chart, highly likely it’s a developmental path in my life.
Possibly even a family pattern given at least one of my parents has the same placement Saturn/Leo.
not having to stay in the wheelbarrow just because I can’t yet buy a chariot, bless your bamboo socks mystic <3

Sam
Sam
June 14, 2016 2:04 am
Reply to  Sam

Recently looked at my draconic chart for the first time too. Sun conjunct mercury, plus mars, in LEO
And Scorpio rising. Hehe.
I think I need to get into this more somehow

Sam
Sam
June 14, 2016 2:06 am
Reply to  Sam

Some shitty angles between natal and draconic planets tho. I get a bit lost around that point.

hdq
hdq
June 14, 2016 2:15 am
Reply to  Sam

The Draconic chart is so fascinating; maybe someday it can be unpacked here. I don’t really get it still. Soul layers?
Yes the parentally inherited Saturn in Leo. I have that too. Lots of work on self-forgiveness, shame, and stubborn resistance to healing.

Sam
Sam
June 14, 2016 6:40 am
Reply to  hdq

Shame is a THING. it’s huge. I don’t just mean in my own life but it’s there alright, but omfg. I have been reading about the affect of shame, psychologically speaking. It is like prison shackles. Feel so strongly about this but won’t go on here. X

hdq
hdq
June 14, 2016 10:14 pm
Reply to  Sam

Oh my gosh yes! To all three of these comments. Shame and pride are such fixed, brick wall emotions. To let them go — what freedom and healing. Beautiful xxxxxx

Dig the word therapy.

Sam
Sam
June 14, 2016 6:45 am
Reply to  hdq

Considering that (just thinking about this) that a word used to describe Leo is PRIDE – the complete opposite.
Fwiw I was doing some DIY word-therapy a while ago and also figured that the ‘opposite’ feeling-word to disappointment was Fulfilment. So that was interesting to mull over…

Electro
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Electro
June 14, 2016 8:59 am
Reply to  hdq

I have Saturn in Leo as well. Last summer’s Venus in Leo was a huge step forward. I remember playing basketball one morning with tears streaming down my face because I linked missing baskets with a deeper sense of forgiveness towards myself and moving on with all the imperfections.

Sam
Sam
June 27, 2016 7:54 pm
Reply to  Electro

don’t know if anyone’s still reading here but yes to this. that venus in leo cracked a lot of things open for me too. But competing with natal saturn was a real doozy. esp with saturn going through the final degrees of my 5th house at the same time. now mars there, lol. A lot of facing off with anxiety and self worth still (!!) taking place. Asking the universe for permission to exist. insane, but once recognised…

Sam
Sam
June 27, 2016 7:56 pm
Reply to  Electro

but the forgiveness and moving fwd that includes imperfections, yes.

Jokerman
Jokerman
June 27, 2016 8:05 pm
Reply to  Sam

No no-one is reading here. Lofl.

The Venus Fly
The Venus Fly
June 14, 2016 2:08 am
Reply to  Sam

Draconic is amazeballs. It’s like it sees the most private you. My draconic DRIPS Sagg and Scorp, I digs it 🙂

Sam
Sam
June 14, 2016 2:10 am
Reply to  The Venus Fly

Yeah it kind of feels like the me that I really want to show the world but can’t or don’t or cbf (Pisces gem influence there lol) or something else weird.

Chrysalis
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Chrysalis
June 14, 2016 3:04 pm
Reply to  Sam

I don’t know anything about the draconic chart but just plugged it in… I’m a multi-Sagg, Gem rising with my NN exact at 0 degrees Aries, i.e. the superpower point of the zodiac… I like the sound of that lol

Sam
Sam
June 14, 2016 2:12 am
Reply to  The Venus Fly

Moon in CANCER though , maybe that explains my intolerance of people who are mean to kids and vulnerable things

Chrysalis
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Chrysalis
June 14, 2016 3:05 pm
Reply to  Sam

I’m a Libra moon! Maybe we should both take a holiday from our Cap moons and live our other moons for a while

Jokerman
Jokerman
June 14, 2016 6:19 pm
Reply to  Chrysalis

A new astrological dispensation:
A Cap Moons will be given a Hallpass- lasting for a month.

Sam
Sam
June 17, 2016 1:08 am
Reply to  Chrysalis

I’ve considered printing out my draconic chart and letting it influence me Fwiw ; )

sphinx
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sphinx
June 14, 2016 5:46 pm
Reply to  Sam

Moon / Neptune in Pisces, maybe that is why I am so thin skinned at times.

Jokerman
Jokerman
June 14, 2016 6:17 pm
Reply to  sphinx

I’d say yes as I am Kat Asc trine Neptune…but we feel deeply.

Jokerman
Jokerman
June 14, 2016 3:27 pm
Reply to  Sam

What is the point of a Draconic chart?
(CapSun / Asc with Merc Uran Mars Pluto in Aqua + Leo Moon @ 0°). Im connfuzzed.

sphinx
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sphinx
June 14, 2016 5:45 pm
Reply to  Jokerman

I hope MM does a post on Draconic Charts.
It’s often spoken of here.
I read that it is like the oversoul’s destiny.
Like we have our little galactic map at birth and the Draconic Chart is a glimpse of our Soul’s long term destiny?
I think it’s a big ask from a chart, but it’s fun to pattern seek.

Please correct if I am wrong here?!

seawitchmermaid
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seawitchmermaid
June 16, 2016 3:57 pm
Reply to  sphinx

Loving the draconic chart convo! I looked up mine and it appears that all my placements are 30* behind a sign than my natal chart. (I.e. Instead of Saturn at 9 sag as it is in my natal, it’s at 9 score).Is everyone’s like this?

Jokerman
Jokerman
June 16, 2016 8:08 pm

Mine is almost exactly 180°

seawitchmermaid
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seawitchmermaid
June 17, 2016 3:09 am
Reply to  Jokerman

Oh very interesting!

marsbar
marsbar
June 14, 2016 1:18 am

Lol lion! If it FITS, I SITS!

Sag Rising & Leo MC
Sag Rising & Leo MC
June 14, 2016 12:56 am

I have this too, so frustrating, it’s like one step forward and two steps back. Thanks Mystic for enlightening me on my handicap ?

baristagem
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baristagem
June 14, 2016 12:50 am

I have Leo in the 5th house and also natal True Node & this is making so much to me atm. I’m trying to create a small life and I can just feel my Leo True Node beating away in the background…

The tennis bit made me laugh because I’ve been playing tennis weekly for the last few years and I’d much rather play when no one else has booked the courts lol

Electro
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Electro
June 14, 2016 8:54 am
Reply to  baristagem

My husband (Venus in Leo rising) and I (solar + 2 Leo) used to play tennis at night. We’d push the button to make the lights go on. It was also very hot during the day – Midwest no cloud summer. But it’s preferable to chase balls without feeling silly that way.

The Venus Fly
The Venus Fly
June 13, 2016 11:50 pm

I friggin’ LOVE July Leos. From Betty Davis (the musician) to Phillip Seymour Hoffman, they’re like haute Taureans on steroids dripping with tenacity and audacity. I have yet to meet an August one I can have in my inner circle. The insecurity and pettiness I’ve seen on display is beyond exhausting, it’s like low Aries on crack. Too true about sycophant vibeology, they want to be adored for something they haven’t even done. No doubt life will throw some Haute ones my way one day – woot woot! I have my jupiter and lilith in Leo in the 2nd but… Read more »

Methinky
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Methinky
June 14, 2016 7:44 pm
Reply to  The Venus Fly

Me too on July Leos! They make me laugh my head off.

Ms Four July Leo: ‘I can’t WAIT to be in preschool, and do you know why, Aunty?’
Me: ‘Tell me why?’
Ms Leo, breathy and dramatic: ‘because I Get To Be On The Stage’…..

Jumps up and does a perfect cheerleader routine no one remembers teaching her!

School assembly never sounded So Fricking Awesome.

Z
Z
June 15, 2016 11:33 am
Reply to  The Venus Fly

Betty Davis is the bomb. I have wondered a lot why there isn’t any live footage of her performing

baristagem
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baristagem
June 14, 2016 12:44 am
Reply to  Mystic

haha

Sam
Sam
June 14, 2016 1:49 am
Reply to  Mystic

Very good. This is the pathway out of S.L.S. I believe…

Jokerman
Jokerman
June 13, 2016 11:02 pm

“But Leo is not at – say – Wimbledon level…”

I know I am taking this out of context but Rod Laver, Pete Sampras and Roger Federer are all Leos; arguably the 3 greatest male tennis players ever.

Jokerman
Jokerman
June 14, 2016 12:29 am
Reply to  Mystic

And the sense of pre-eminence that tennis offers that team sports don’t. Leos thrive on that.

Tybalt
Tybalt
June 14, 2016 1:54 am
Reply to  Mystic

Even your nerd Leos… I always think of writer DFW as Leo Rising.

In part because of the mane, and coz he’d wear that bandana without the Sagg rising ability to werk).

Infinite Jest was 50% tennis and 100% artiste… and I do think he died out of disappointing his own sky high expectations. :'(

leogroover
leogroover
June 16, 2016 11:51 pm
Reply to  Tybalt

who is infinate jest Ty?

Lux Interior Is My Co-Pilot
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Lux Interior Is My Co-Pilot
June 14, 2016 3:57 pm
Reply to  Mystic

OMG yes! It all makes sense now! King of the court!

emg
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emg
June 13, 2016 10:55 pm

I love that lion. He’s just a big cat or maybe kitty is just a small lion?
I always plump for Leo rising men in my life and my latest is possibly the one suffering this syndrome most. He’s Aqua sun in the 6th. The previous Leo rising with a Pisces sun in the 8th just carries on with the vortex challenging even if he fails which he can. The previous to that, again a Pisces sun seemed never to fail, his was a path of success and success and the vortex span in his favour always.

Corrina
Corrina
June 13, 2016 10:54 pm

Gawd this is literally my mum. Gemini moon and a lot of Taurus elsewhere. This woman hoiked across Australia from Perth to the east coast in a mini minor with nothing but her and a black labrador in the 60s. Then trekked off by herself from London then all through the continent to the middle east, by herself. Unmarried. Solo catholic irish chick from perth. Unheard of!! The sexism of her upbringing and horrible education via catholic nuns put her off any formal education. When she came back to Perth with me in tow, she settled for a single mothers… Read more »

seawitchmermaid
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seawitchmermaid
June 16, 2016 3:44 pm
Reply to  Corrina

I just looked up single mothers pension… I live in the states and there’s no such thing. 🙁 Hits close to home, I know single mums where that payment could make all the difference in their families lives.

seawitchmermaid
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seawitchmermaid
June 16, 2016 3:46 pm

(Yes there are other programs available, I’m just always surprised when I see certain social programs from other countries!)

Corrina
Corrina
June 18, 2016 1:35 am

Yes in Australia we have had some wonderful social welfare policies including things like the single mother’s pension and Medicare – which basically provides basic health care assurance to all Australians. It especially protects people on low income as they can get discounts for medication, travel, study costs and free access to a GP.

Sadly all this is slowly being eroded away by a government that is more concerned with crowing about a “surplus” than they are about the health of the nation.

Michelle K
Michelle K
June 13, 2016 10:44 pm

“Leos can literally limit themselves because their expectations are so grandiose, that they constitute more of an alternative dimension.”

Excuse me while I got and re-evaluate my entire life.

This is so me – the dream is so big any move towards it seems to jeopardise. Learning to work towards it anyway is tough.

Rose
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Rose
June 14, 2016 1:56 am
Reply to  Michelle K

I can totally relate to this too! I’m Leo rising with a stellium in my fifth house and I’ve finally got into making art and writing but I always feel like ….what’s the point – there’s already so much art out there – it’ll probably hardly be noticed lol but I keep telling myself …no first off you’re doing this for yourself- you have a need so just do it! What with that and my Virgo sun perfectionism/ worryville….eeek

gbs
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gbs
June 14, 2016 4:22 am
Reply to  Rose

No planets in Leo, but I do have a fifth-house stellium and several planets in Virgo, and my mind runs through the exact same set of caveats as yours does.

My mother has her Moon conjunct Pluto in Leo, and I’ve seen up close how distorted the Leo energy can become when it’s not given a healthy channel to express itself.

This post is so timely for me, it’s uncanny. Thank you, Mystic.

Penny
Penny
June 21, 2016 3:59 am
Reply to  Rose

Holy crap! Im also Leo Rising with a stellium in 5th house!!! We need to chat STAT

Sam
Sam
June 14, 2016 6:34 am
Reply to  Michelle K

“This dream is so big..” omg.
Yes this

AbsintheDragonfly
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AbsintheDragonfly
June 14, 2016 11:03 am
Reply to  Sam

Oh me too.

Leo rising with Cappy stellium in the 5th. I’ve found if I remind myself that I do it for myself FIRST, and that the people my perfumes vibe with will find me, that helps with the “Why should I even bother?” thoughts.

Pandora
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Pandora
June 15, 2016 12:50 am

It’s about the SOUL vs the EGO, right? The soul wants to create, like a child who is moved in the moment, and innocent of judgement It’s only the ego that worries about whether or not our contribution is any better or different to what else is out there, or sufficiently perfect, or whether we will fall flat on our face. Our soul just likes to play tennis, or sing or paint, or whatever, because it expresses part of our spirit. I have Mars in Leo opp natal Saturn in Aqua 3rd (square a very creative but not-sure-she is good… Read more »

Sam
Sam
June 15, 2016 3:27 am

Yes I think this might be part of it? Hmm. Part of me has somehow determined, incorrectly maybe, that in order to do good things in the world (“help teh people”) I have to sacrifice /abandon the things that bring me the most joy (how does writing a song or poetry do absolutely anything for our exploitation of fisheries in international waters, for example lol)

WHOA. Hold up there, Pisces needs to think about this.

Sam
Sam
June 15, 2016 3:30 am

Thanks absinthe and Pandora (and others up there) , I’m going to keep returning to your words.. xx

Pandora
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Pandora
June 15, 2016 3:40 am
Reply to  Sam

Someone once said to me that you do a good thing in the world whenever you shine your light. They said this when I was self-guilting that singing/songwriting was not saving the world. But too much saving the world – my day job – leaves me sad and drained…and yet there are still people who are uplifted by me expressing true feelings with words and voice. It’s not much – reaching one soul at a time and making them feel less alone through art of some kind – but it’s something. I have to remind myself daily of this to… Read more »

AbsintheDragonfly
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AbsintheDragonfly
June 15, 2016 1:06 pm
Reply to  Pandora

I felt my most stifled creatively when I had 3 toddlers. I was expending so much energy nurturing and loving, and raising them to be small people, that I really had nothing left for creative ventures. I spent a lot of time just writing rambling things in my journal as I recall. Once I wasn’t breastfeeding them so much, I had more energy, and I started singing opera again. Not because I wanted to go out and audition, but because I needed to feed my soul by bringing something out into the world. (Taurus moon conj MC). The creative things… Read more »

Sam
Sam
June 27, 2016 8:10 pm
Reply to  Pandora

Pandora I have only just read this – thank you <3 xx

Pisces with Sagg Rising
Pisces with Sagg Rising
June 15, 2016 6:45 pm
Reply to  Michelle K

Yep – I have moon in Leo and this post has just made a penny drop. I will also be re-evaluating my entire life…

Lupa
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Lupa
June 18, 2016 9:27 pm

Me Too !…my whole life!…..Me, moon in Leo , Aqua rising….ohhh,the critic !………someone once said to me she couldn’t understand why more Aquarians weren’t murdered…I wonder too….having a Aquarian mother :0)… and myself Aqua rising……poor old Leo Moon !

hdq
hdq
June 13, 2016 10:31 pm

The Stanford rapist is also a mega-Leo. A little self-limitation is not always a bad thing.

Jokerman
Jokerman
June 13, 2016 11:06 pm
Reply to  hdq

What was the judge thinking……..or on?

hdq
hdq
June 14, 2016 1:37 am
Reply to  Jokerman

He was high on patriarchy and privilege, as were the parents, probation officer, friends, and all other apologists. He was on rape culture and athlete worship. He was on business as usual. None of them counted on Lilith in Scorpio.

Sam
Sam
June 14, 2016 1:48 am
Reply to  hdq

I must have missed the latest. was he murdered by a vigilante after all? I hope so.

hdq
hdq
June 14, 2016 2:06 am
Reply to  Sam

No, he’s in jail, but in protective custody and will get out in 3 months instead of 6. >:(

Lilith in Scorpio is the fury and backlash from the public. He has moon-mars in Libra, and I think it triggered the entire Pluto in Libra generation to say hey, 20 years ago that was us, we’ve never spoken about it until now, and we will no longer be silent. Many vigilantes waiting, and good.

Tybalt
Tybalt
June 14, 2016 2:20 am
Reply to  hdq

Exactly.
He’s a meme now. His bona fides are GONE, in the public mindset.

Alouetta
Alouetta
June 14, 2016 2:32 am
Reply to  Tybalt

I would prefer a decent prison term. Some dipshit wannabe girlfriend like his friend who said ‘rape isn’t always rape’ will keep him from feeling too lonely when he gets out. Until he realises that what he did was wrong, justice hasn’t been served.

Annica
Annica
June 14, 2016 6:26 am
Reply to  Alouetta

True, but these days unless you mega millions rich like Woody Allen, try getting a job, girlfriend, new friends after that unwanted rise to fame. The internet is unrelenting and does not soon forget. That kid who got famous for negative reasons doing the star wars light saber thing… He can’t move on with his life even though that meme is way over. People still fuck with him. 🙁

hdq
hdq
June 14, 2016 10:09 pm
Reply to  Annica

Nah, I don’t think that internet mockery and/or a shite job satisfies the need for justice. It will be served somehow. Of this I have no doubt.

Sam
Sam
June 14, 2016 6:27 am
Reply to  hdq

Dead man walking 🙂 no mercy from this Pisces.

Sam
Sam
June 14, 2016 6:31 am
Reply to  Sam

Alternatively he needs a very good jungle justice outcome. For example. If this were a real-time karmic system, he could only ever be employed as a dumpster truck driver or street cleaner. Now, that is not intended as an affront to the people who do absolutely essential work of keeping streets clean. But it is one idea for poetic justice for someone who commuted such a crime and for whom his family etc held such “high hopes” so to speak.

Sam
Sam
June 14, 2016 6:32 am
Reply to  Sam

Commit, commute… Typo

Unicorn Sparkles
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Unicorn Sparkles
June 14, 2016 2:03 am
Reply to  hdq

Yup. He was not the victim but youd have thought as much from the spin.

He’ll never swim in the olympics.

cry me a river.

Jokerman
Jokerman
June 14, 2016 4:54 pm

But he can swim schadenfreude

Unicorn Sparkles
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Unicorn Sparkles
June 15, 2016 12:08 am
Reply to  Jokerman

Maybe while he’s wallowing in the shallow depths of his ego

em price
em price
June 13, 2016 10:23 pm

1) A+ photo choice
2) “Hesitating to fuq with that vortex, Leo withdraws rather than try and re-arrange the atomic structure” amazing sentence, and so true
3) makes me curious about other forms of afflicted grandiosity in the chart as well…

Jokerman
Jokerman
June 13, 2016 11:05 pm
Reply to  em price

1) A+ Photo Choice Caption:

“The Serengeti this ain’t”

em price
em price
June 14, 2016 4:49 pm
Reply to  Jokerman

haha!

rachel
rachel
June 15, 2016 1:30 am
Reply to  Jokerman

“waiting for my driver”

paetraT
paetraT
June 14, 2016 12:00 am
Reply to  em price

Lol!

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