Stan Lee Is Saturn To The Max

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Marvel comics creator Stan Lee in the Seventies standing in front of comics

Marvel comics genius Stan Lee is a fantastic example of a Grand Water Trine in action. Visionary and an originator, not an imitator.

Stan Lee is just beyond. The Marvel comics genius recreated the superhero/superheroine archetype as flawed, with human traits, reinvigorating an entire genre. He portrayed them as marginalized, living in shitty apartments, having weird relationships and struggling with their everyday existence.

I was thinking about him while marathoning Jessica Jones. She plays that edge of cynicism and magic with the ever-present tinge of raw hurt. Add in the alcohol and she’s the Saturn-Neptune character.

But…

Jessica Jones "lucky break"

He is a Capricorn – with his Moon in Aries or Taurus. We don’t know his time of birth, hence the doubt and no idea of Rising Sign.

But dude has Mars/Uranus in Pisces trine Pluto in Cancer trine Jupiter in Scorpio. Trines are a gift.  Stan Lee wanted to write the Great American Novel but he created this Multiverse instead. Grand Trines always blow out into something bigger and cooler than planned.

He’s got his Mercury in Capricorn square Saturn in Libra – that’s a big fuq-u to all those tedious books saying Saturn squares are vile.

But his key vibe is the Grand Water Trine, anchored by Mars conjunct Uranus in Pisces. He was stylishly dealing with issues like bigotry, booze, drugs, and sexual relationships (between mutants!) well before it was fashionable.

Thoughts?

Seventies Stan Lee 2

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Charles
Charles

Hey that second pic is from Jessica Jones. Netflix just announced they would produce a second season of Jessica Jones.

Krazycat
Krazycat

Capricorn Mercury…oh man. I have love/hate with this baby, too. Stan did the Ultimate number on Saturn, making comix into Serious Mainstream Lit (MAD helped make them adult, and there have long been serious comic writers, but he made it Big Biz). He never shied from heartbreaking subject matter either, you’re right–a beautiful example is the Legacy Virus arc of X-Men, an expose of AIDS in NYC, his friends dying of it)….. …waiiiiiit. Anyone else get the impression he’s 12th house? I think he’s 12th house, guys. I mean, examine the X-Men–alienation and underground communities (Morlocks); asylum (Xavier’s Institute); mutations,… Read more »

Lux Interior Is My Co-PilotMM Member
Lux Interior Is My Co-Pilot

I (think) I totally get this.

I think grand trines blow out in unexpected ways…kind of all-encompassing.,

My brain isn’t quite working (BOY the Daily Mystic saved me today! Rare astro circumstance?? I’ll take that). Will muse on this when it’s working.

Crystallised futureMM Member
Crystallised future

Yes I’m intrigued by the term ‘always blow out’. Blow up or always have an outlet?

Scorpio_RisingMM Member
Scorpio_Rising

I loved Jessica Jones very Neptunian Scorponic energy.
I feel she’s a kindred spirit.

Rosa
Rosa

Heck yeah, Jessica Jones is great. I would say she is a Mars in Scorpio, amd I totally feel there’s some intense Neptune-Saturn vibes.

Scorpio_RisingMM Member
Scorpio_Rising

I could see that!

Raina
Raina

win lost love back

Relationship of love is very sacred relationship. Without love life is like a desert without water. So try till the time you can and do anything to win lost love back .
I was also under these circumstances but at last I adopt astrology way to get my love back. I can’t live without him.
and finally I am successful.

sphinx
sphinx

So Stan Lee was the inspiration??

ChrysalisMM Member
Chrysalis

Sheesh if only I’d known this three years ago!

Jamma
Jamma

Aries Moon — I can feel the energy from here.

PiMM Member
Pi

o/t but thanks for the daily mystic for Mon, MM.

it’s insane, this thing i am wading through trying to get Pi v2016 off the ground and my brain is stuck in some subroutine or whatever you call it
so getting through the essential to do list is like pulling teeth but i am doing it, slowlyy
anyway
thanks.

sphinx
sphinx

Yeah, but when you do get that level of success you also get some slurpy bottom feeders who will besmirch your good name seeking the almighty $. I’d take that with a grain of salt. One complaint? When a 90 year old harasses you and you shrivel what kind of a hothouse petunia are you?

ElectroMM Member
Electro

There is a enormous generation gap there. And no offense to the youngins, but I think younger generations are a little soft in some areas, like taking criticism or offense at not being allowed to do whatever they want. (Broad strokes here, people.) I’m sure they both made some wrongs in this situation, but mental abuse? Quit or grow a pair.

I’m a teacher and I will say that generational gaps are huge and they are rapidly getting wider. It’s an exhausting process to adapt to these days.

sphinx
sphinx

That’s interesting about the generation gap! And yes, whatever happened to quitting when you don’t like your employer?
I’d be interested in your thoughts on how to teach kids to accept an amount of criticism and yet to not be offended by it. These holidays have been full of, “You hurt my feeeeeelings!!” (7 yr old Cancerian). “You know mummy, you just need to talk and tell me” (Moon in Libra – never listens of course) and “If I set the table, you let me watch an hour of tv. Deal? Or not deal?” (Mercury in Gemini).

Krazycat
Krazycat

Could you be a Gemini moon parent, by any chance? Or Cancer Moon? If you will permit me to share my own experience…my esteemed and wonderful mother is Gemini Moon, and I think it frustrated her that her Moon Libra child would not go to bed angry, and would not take cues, hints or fights as impetus to do something. She could huff and puff and yell and scream and stamp her feet, pull out all the deft and subtle Gemini tics, but until a civil, open conversation could be had and a fair agreement reached, no dice. Moon Libra… Read more »

Krazycat
Krazycat

Oh, and a final thought..

Rent prices are high, these days. ‘Quitting when you don’t like your employer’…ah, if only t’were so simple.

LiliMM Member
Lili

Krazycat, My boundaries were somewhat flexible when parenting, as long as the conversatikn stayed respectful. My helicopter-parent friends avidly disagreed and hated that I listened to reasonable requests to extend limits. If things got heated, we had to reset. My kids are confident, curious, resoectful, real. But alwsys we started with respect even if love wasn’t so apparent in the moment. And it was two way- I have apologized countless times for intemperate or unkind words. Life is negotiation- so I would offer -yes we do have to leave at 5pm but you can choose the music in the car.… Read more »

sphinx
sphinx

You sound like a great mama Kell!

ElectroMM Member
Electro

I don’t mean to diss the whole generation. Some of the aspects that make a generation “difficult” is probably just what is needed. For example, the lack of boundaries that the group of kids I teach now is frustrating. However, as this develops through maturation, it will probably prove to be what is necessary for human evolution. So I know I was being blunt, but I also see the benefits, that is why I put so much into adapting to them.

sphinx
sphinx

Thank you Krazycat, I hadn’t thought through his (yes, he’s a he!) Moon in Libra with so much detail (except to notice his aversion to icky smells). His Moon is in the 11th, so he notices all things to do with what is fair to all. He is like a small arbitration commissioner. Except that his decisions are usually in his own favour, lol. ‘Compromise’ is not his favourite thing, I do not care to make ‘deals’ with him as he likes though either. But I think from this I realise his Moon in the Scales of Justice, is probably… Read more »

ElectroMM Member
Electro

Probably easier said than done, giving up that gig. I don’t negotiate with children (although in some situations it is ok). I feel that it can be a hard habit to break. I have the feeling you do similar things that I do – truly listen to them and have a conversation while maintaining firm boundaries. Explaining the situation that caused a hurt feeling. Kids love to test and push. It really takes patience, repetition, and time. But hey, if your kid who gets hurt feelings understands things in those terms, feel free to tell him/her when your feelings are… Read more »

sphinx
sphinx

Haha, yes electro, this is what I am for also. I try not to negotiate but that is also easier said than done. I find he responds well to really stopping and connecting by talking about feelings, mine and his, yet ironically he usually needs hurt feelings to stop and explore them first. Guess that is that Pluto square Moon. Thanks for your thoughts!

LiliMM Member
Lili

That Gem, when older will cite GPA before wheedling proposal about time with friends on a weeknight.

ScorpSagMM Member
ScorpSag

Interesting. I checked my chart for trines to see what I should be working for more career/life enjoyment. I also have a Jupiter Pluto trine, But also Saturn Square Pluto. I wonder what sort of mogul I could be.

LiliMM Member
Lili

I have Saturn trine Uranus- 2nd to 9th House. Jupiter sextile Pluto- but it is from 12th to 10th and conjunct Neptune in Scorp.

ScorpSagMM Member
ScorpSag

Do you know how it affects your chart or how to work it for your benefit? I’ve had to do a fair bit of googling and reading to figure out what it might all mean.

Pi
Pi

I do love the marvel comix superheroes… Didn’t know this about Stan Lee. I love seeing people work Pisces themes publicly. It kind of makes-ok all the things about me that I have trouble accepting, or maybe it’s the crowd I tend to be with. Or something. So yes. Troubled-flawed-but somehow successful types , thanks Mr Lee.

fishgirlMM Member
fishgirl

Love this. People like to see one giant success and completely forget/refuse to acknowledge the f’ing slog that led to that point. Thank you for acknowledging it. Trines are a gift but only if you work them – good to see how he has worked his, and where they are. I love JJ but had to take a break as the mind control stuff was freaking me out, but the water trine seeps through, her whisky on the fire escape, the mind control stuff (so piscean!), the lack of actual door in her apartment…. Thanks also for thoughts re: saturn… Read more »

davidlMM Member
davidl

Stan Lee and his cohort have created a parallel universe that with the slightest change of degree can be seen in the not so distant future to meet this universe. Like Verne and Wells his influence has so much more effect than just entertainment.
I’ve read his life story and his self belief and persistence are legendary. The multitude of characters created by marvel are now the most anticipated and watched entertainment pieces in the world today. He also seems like a lovely guy.

gemyogi
gemyogi

Off-topic, but I have a question for the PIAB brains trust — I have an ’employer meet and greet’ on Tues and I’m feeling the usual self-doubt and aversion to ‘selling myself’ — also feeling a bit of imposter syndrome (in that, some of my fellow students are far more advanced in their web development skills than I am). Can anyone recommend good confidence building resources, videos, TED talks etc. to pump up my self confidence a bit? and help me to shine my light and believe in my talent and abilities? I do believe attitude is really important in… Read more »

annica
annica

Use mudra to improve communication!

Pi
Pi

Hey nice! Good way to save you some legwork, they all come to you! Not sure about resources just this moment but one thing you can do, if you can, is practice talking about yourself and your work with a trusted and career-minded friend. Listen to yourself, have them listen to you, check that you’re not talking yourself down, etc. And practice saying the words that describe what you do. Accustom your brain to the process. Visualise feeling totally ok and comfortable with this, not cringey or whatever. Whoever the other person is won’t be thinking “why are they here”… Read more »

Pi
Pi

Sorry, this was incredibly long… Last hurrah for cap moon .. back in your box cap moon

gemyogi
gemyogi

Thanks so much Pi dear

sphinx
sphinx

Best of luck gemyogi!! Sending you pulsing waves of golden yellow spectrum light for confidence 🙂 .
Do a little chakra cleanse meditation the night before… Plump up your solar plexus chakra with gold in the morning and see a gorgeous turquoise flower opening like a trumpet at your throat with musical words pouring forth. Blessings!

gemyogi
gemyogi

oh beautiful image, thanks Sphinx!

VenusRulesMM Member
VenusRules

Watch Amy Cuddy’s very popular TED talk on using “power poses” for confidence – do your Starfish or your Wonder Woman for a few minutes before the event! It’s a great talk. She also has a brand-new book out called Presence. Shine on, gemyogi, you’ve got this.

gemyogi
gemyogi

yes — found it, great talk and amazing how power poses can increase testerone and decrease cortisol in 2 minutes!

thanks VR

Cath
Cath

Eek sorry VenusRules I didn’t see your post, guess great minds think a-like!

Cath
Cath

Hello, I don’t usually post but couldn’t resist as this is perfect for a Stan Lee post. My husband is a guidance officer and as part of a children’s resiliance program he learnt while studying he was taught the following: Stand with your legs apart and your hands on your hips, face facing forward and shoulders back – think classic superhero pose. Hold for at least a minute. This TED talk might help http://blog.ted.com/10-examples-of-how-power-posing-can-work-to-boost-your-confidence/ The other thing I would ask you to think about is that yes, you need to sell yourself to the employer, but they also need to… Read more »

gemyogi
gemyogi

Thanks Cath!

ChrysalisMM Member
Chrysalis

Hey GY I coach people on this sort of thing and the best advice I can give is prepare, prepare, prepare. Have three key phrases about yourself – short, simple, clear – you want to convey and prepare them. What is the most important strength /attribute you will bring? Focus on that.
Also do some homework on them so you can offer a perspective they may not know about their industry/company. The more you prepare/rehearse it will ‘stick’ even if the nerves kick in a little. Good luck and keep us posted xx

johnnyboy1
johnnyboy1

I love Stan but please, you’ve got to do something on Jack Kirby. The guy’s talent was otherworldly. Where Stan brought it all to the street, Jack Kirby funneled it from the REAL multiverse time and time again. A legend that needs more recognition!!!

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