It’s Back: Mercury On Pluto

Jill Haworth Haunted Ho of Horror

T’is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness.  And not to smoke, obviously.

Mercury in orb of Pluto since mid-December and until early February has been like a light into much of our personal darkness, illuminating dysfunctional thinking and shadowy areas of our psyche. They are shadowy for a reason you might think, with a surge of irritation.

Mercury usually goes over Pluto once – it takes a day.  This is a much longer haunting/exorcism sage.

So the first exact hit was December 20 and the next one is in just a few hours from now (as i type this) and then there is another hit on the 30th. It is a process.

Think about suddenly flared up within you mid-December, the possibly sudden and drastic decisions that felt fantastic. How good it feels when you shine your torch/candle (a.k.a. consciousness) into some dark, dank corner and whatever lurks there scuttles away because you are stronger than it.

The motif of the person going back into the haunted house to get something or for one last confrontation with the forces of darkness, whatever, is a cliche of suspense but after Mercury moves off Pluto for the third time in late Jan, you really are done. No looking back. No detour down to the ghostly well at the bottom of the graveyard.

More details in the Horoscopes of course but regardless of your sign/personal chart, going with this process and clearing out your own possessed basement or whatever will feel SO good when it’s done. You will be immune to energy thieves and Qi Vampires for a start.

Those blasts of “fuq it” in mid-December are vital to this banishment and reset process. So how are you doing with this?

Image:  Jill Haworth – The Haunted House of Horror.

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MethinkyMM Member
Methinky

I finished a course and then won a meat raffle at the pub! both of which were awesome. Then I got stupidly blind drunk and made a fool of myself and now I feel horrible. Mercury and Pluto transiting 8th, but the big kicker for me is Saturn is tranitting my natal Neptune zone and so umm yes, i am contemplating sobriety! I am a magnet for all sorts of out there things from other people at the moment, I have had some very full on conversations with people in the past week, helping people through some serious shit. I… Read more »

SleepfulInBrisvegasMM Member
SleepfulInBrisvegas

I took my feral energy and spent the afternoon arting. 24 postcards made for two of my friends – took my calendar from last year, cut up the artwork and stuck it to cardboard taken from cereal and biscuit boxes. They’re in the post now in packs of 12. I did the first of my poem squares to go with a scarf I knitted to a dear heart in the UK. Also made a card to go with the scarf and poem using the door from La Victorie that is cut out for a postcard a fortnight ago but couldn’t… Read more »

ChrysalisMM Member
Chrysalis

My shrink encouraged me to do a friend audit, similar advice also from recent horoscopes, so I have actually made a list of who’s in, who’s out and who-only-in-specific-circs. (auto corrected to ‘circus’ lol). It will see me less busy and more alone than I have been, which is saying something as I have been alone (and lonely) a great deal lately. Mostly though I don’t think it’s about the people themselves – although it’s obvs the tectonic plates are shifting in my social life. Something is trying to fall away. It’s really about how I routinely ignore my gut/intuition.… Read more »

Blaise
Blaise

By now you will have probably made your decision but I wanted to say trust your gut, take time out. I think Saturn would do the ‘right thing’ for himself. A few years ago had similar advice from my therapist, was in a clique where all of our social events were interconnected and it was hard to separate from. Eventually I realised I’d also not trusted my instincts, so often ended up in friendships that weren’t really best for me (pisces rising). Began to realise I didn’t have the energy to keep going to things with people who sometimes made… Read more »

ChrysalisMM Member
Chrysalis

I have only just seen this comment, thanks Blaise, this is really helpful. I am multi-Pisces 7th house sun with Neptune exact conj right now. Neptune on my sun has been difficult so far. I am having lots of trouble with people projecting their fantasies/ideals/fears onto me and Qi vamps clinging to me. I am starting to work religiously with the Saturn square from my 4th to set really good boundaries and protect my energy. I relate to what you say about first making excuses then just declining. I’m in the ‘excuse’ phase at the moment and getting so tired… Read more »

seawitchmermaidMM Member
seawitchmermaid

A lot of release, crap coming to light/realizations like MM describes above, then just letting it the F go. Trying at least. Fourth house for me. It lifts my spirits to think/plan my awesomeness (and great hair I want… Yeah, Leo full moon impending for sure). I just was writing a sort of manifesto and I think Saturn in Sag might be my muse right now. Rawr.

SleepfulInBrisvegasMM Member
SleepfulInBrisvegas

A manifesto sounds awesome. I’m trying to write just a single sentence that encapsulates the new identity I’m trying to birth.

Close friend insists I am a fairy godmother to writers. I like the idea of that but also feels a little naff. Even when I look down at the army boots!!

SleepfulInBrisvegasMM Member
SleepfulInBrisvegas

Oh yes!! This explains Friday quite accurately. Was ovulating but instead I felt like I had the worst PMT and was ready to tear the head off any head that popped up. I’ve been on a massive ‘heal and move on’ since about that time in Decemeber. Uranus is conjunct my nat Chiron so there is no avoiding looking into the dark hurtful places and dragging them blinking into the light. Have released (and am still releasing) trauma and bad shit that goes back to 1988. And slowly I am feeling the very last layers of crap stripped away. Was… Read more »

catfish moon
catfish moon

Found out today my son has Vitamin D defiency . He has Capicorn rising, a few degrees away(before) from Present Pluto and Present Mercury.

hdq
hdq

Ghostly wells at the bottom of graveyards are what I do though. This mercury/Pluto shebang is happening on my Karma. These are not my familiar shadows coming up. I don’t know what these are, just that they’re bigger and older and connected. It feels like the key to the puzzle, the one i began to sense in 1999, the one that got all acute and ineacapable in 2012, is close. Maybe just a plateau. Maybe just another clue, but something’s coming. Until then, I’m going to lie in bed all day and stare at the ceiling, unable to do anything… Read more »

gemyogi
gemyogi

no words — just hugs (((((hdq)))))

Saoirse Kirke
Saoirse Kirke

No. Lady, and basically this is for everyone at this point because I can no longer navigate the phone and land on one or two comments. But no. This is not to be borne.
I want better than this for you. All of you.

I’d be up in arms but I’m stuck in a hotel with my life choices and a brain disease.

I’ll look at the ceiling too. But fuq, y’all deserve better. We all do. Even eurydike

Invicta
Invicta

WTF?
really.
don’t know what to say except yeah, WTF?
really

flowerchild
flowerchild

“You will be immune to energy thieves and Qi Vampires for a start.” Good news! This Merc/Pluto thing is happening in my 7th. ‘Nuff said? On December 20th, I did a second round of Rapid Release Therapy (RRT) to reprogram subconscious issues……it really helped, but in a somewhat slowly unraveling way, and the holidays were kind of a nightmare, internally speaking…..actually quite mellow, externally. Really been digging deep and trying to break through so many constantly recycling issues from this past year and beyond. LOTS and lots of relationship stuff….. That last one was a doozy, I think was some… Read more »

PiMM Member
Pi

hey babe guy housemates are the BEST. i love love love living with guys. girls too of course but there’s something about boys when we’re caught up in some kind of miasma, their boy-ness is so refreshing and bullshit free, good for the soul 🙂 glad they are helping you, without realising 🙂 x don’t feel bitter. i understand, but don’t. self knowledge and understanding is a lifelong journey. maybe its time i took my own advice. consider that another little thing might be to practice kindness and softness, forgiveness towards yourself. (it’s a cappy moon thing too maybe) that… Read more »

PiMM Member
Pi

sorry the thing about smiling and making yourself a coffee. not meant to sound lame. but if the general concept appeals.. you know. etc.

flowerchild
flowerchild

Pi, you’re the best! Thanks!

I do need to give myself love and start there, thanks for the reminder! 🙂

Yeah, the young guys, they’re 22 and 24, my housemates….babies! But these particular ones have their shit together more than most people I know and way more than I ever would have had at that age. They know not how much they help me…..

PiMM Member
Pi

temptation to stay in bed and feel terrible is enormous though.. yes.
hugs FC.

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

I hate those books and writers who wrap it up and condense so it sounds perfectly neat and tidy! They always make me feel so retarded at life. But really the context they are talking about is what it does take a lifetime or lifetimes to work out. While there may be some universal truths, i don’t believe it has an exact formula that fits everyone. Their trade is in metaphor. To express the near-inexpressible, the nuanced. I get how you’re feeling, and you too, Pi. I tried to reply last night to you, Pi, but it just didn’t come… Read more »

flowerchild
flowerchild

Thanks for the validation, mille! 🙂 Laughing at self, I need to remember to do that! These young housemates help a bit with that, too… Funny you mention grey sky turning to blue metaphor…..here, literally it’s been a grey sky and raining, which we are not so used to as Californians. Rain is so very welcome during this long drought, having an El Nino year finally, but since my body rhythm is not used to it, perhaps I’m especially gloomy……weather effects my moods, as I discovered when I lived in England. In California, there is not much change in weather,… Read more »

milleunanotteMM Member
milleunanotte

Oh yes! Having lived in places that are grey-skied for weeks on end, one in winter, and one in summer, i can tell you it drives people quite into a funk. I wanted to get into aircraft just to break through cloud. The impact on energy and mood is incredible. So take it easy! You ought to forgive yourself for being who you are 🙂 Especially at your age haha! Honestly, i JUST heard a line in a film: in the 1900s they lived til 45 (so it was easier to mate for life, because you didn’t have to put… Read more »

flowerchild
flowerchild

Ack! Mille, I hope you and your fur friend feel better soon!

Yeah, perhaps a deep DNA feeling of obsolete-ness knowing humans used to live only about 45 years…..I’ve thought a lot about that lately….I need to gracefully embrace what’s on the other side of that since I’m still here….

My housemates are from Canada and Sweden, so I’m taking a cue from them on how to deal with winter and the darkness and lack of sun. They are fairly unflappable, but they’re young and they are guys….

milleunanotteMM Member
milleunanotte

Get your cougar on?? 😉

Sorry, I mean, yes, by all means you need a Muse or two for inspiration.

Us 21st century chicks can live to our 90s. I already know 90 year old women, so maybe even beyond!

flowerchild
flowerchild

My cougar has been ‘on’ for awhile… I’ve been trying to be discreet about it.. hee hee… 😉

hdq
hdq

The rain I as beautiful, but the El Niño grey is no joke. I get SAD back east — never before in Cali. This winter, it’s full-blown. Also, I think there’s a collective despair in the air. A sense of hopelessness; a sense of the inevitability of injustice. Everything is discouraging. As an aquaripiscean, I imagine you might be extra sensitive/vulnerable to this.
Hugs and love and cheers to this disaster called life. Xxxxxx

flowerchild
flowerchild

Thanks, hdq! You’re in the Bay, too, right? Yeah, it’s been a lot of rain, big contrast to recent years. I’ve actually been enjoying it, but maybe my circadian rhythms are not on board….

Lots of hopelessness around here lately for the 99%…….unbelievable levels of sell-out. Very depressing…..I’ve been around here nearly 30 years and the vibe is just shite right now for most people…..financially up against a wall, no one can afford it in SF…. I give a big ‘F-you!!’ to the so-called ‘elite’!

hdq
hdq

Yep, in Oakland! Home of the fastest-growing rents in the country. 😯 I have noooooo idea what this place will be like soon. I’m trying to plan out grad school, the next 3 years, and I keep instinctually shutting myself down. How can I afford next year when I can’t afford next month? I go to school in SOMA and see the Twitter-homeless ground zero interaction and I’m just heartbroken and disillusioned, every day. The vibe is just shite, you’re right. The super bowl oughta be fun, ha! Gallows humor and apocalyptic fantasies, F-yous to class warfare all the way.… Read more »

catfish moon
catfish moon

Ah! This is how it always ways once. I have missed it so. I am loving the rain. I am further north, so not just grey, but downpours.

Invicta
Invicta

I am California dreaming.
Literally.
Want to move somewhere I can surf again. Feel so stuck in this dark, grey, overpriced black hole called London.
I used to love it, but then, I used to love a lot of things that weren’t good for me or didn’t love me back.
Just got a real square job tho, so sod’s law. I can’t leave, not yet. California dreaming on such a winter’s day.

ChrysalisMM Member
Chrysalis

Come to Oz 🙂 Very good surfing here.

JokermanMM Member
Jokerman

I was going to London for the Summer once. Trouble is l am not sure what day its held on. There is a rumour that it is August 4 this year. Is this true?

Australia is the new California.

flowerchild
flowerchild

I’d love to visit Australia…never been!

I love California, it is my home, but there are a lot of people here now, and it’s expensive, would like to try something new…

California is over
no meat left on the bones
yet the buzzards still arrive
as the ground shifts beneath

Here in California…the fruit hangs heavy on the vine
and there’s no gold
I thought I’d warn ya
and the hills turn brown in the
summertime…

supakaliMM Member
supakali

hey FC all the best for your upcoming celebration of birth! It’s a time for reflection on the years….this is what I reckon. Those who obtain genuine deep wisdom before 45 are exceptions. The rest of us? we spend the first half playing out the patterns we will spend the second half working through. On that note, read recently that you shouldn’t even read the kabbalah before the age of 40. Most are not ready for it. Was saying this to my sister the other night – we had a rough start and so did you, remember that – let’s… Read more »

supakaliMM Member
supakali

to clarify, to Scorps this kind of muck-raking of self and emerging clarity constitutes “better” 😉

flowerchild
flowerchild

Thank you for this perspective, supakali! So apt…. this is an important piece and your words have spoken to and soothed my deeper concerns… I want to find a way to gracefully embrace the crone stage…..so far, it’s been total panic. Physically, I still look quite young, so I can ‘pass’, and was told I had the hormonal panel of a 30 year old, so no ‘changes’ there yet, but deeply, internally, changes have begun and a change in my orientation to the world, which I quite like in some ways……but I’m embarrassed to say I’ll have a hard time… Read more »

ChrysalisMM Member
Chrysalis

Hi FC, I have to chime in here – yes some websites and books are fantastic resources with lots of wisdom, but remember none of us is perfect and everyone is usually doing the best they can with what they have. I don’t think there is some secret club of only properly evolved people. Another view is that intimacy and connections come in various forms, and it isn’t up to anyone else to define what that might be for us. Only we can decide that. Everyone I know struggles with a demon or two regardless of how far they have… Read more »

flowerchild
flowerchild

Thanks for your vote of confidence, Chrysalis! I really appreciate your support! Sounds like you’re coming through a lot of stuff, too….read your posts above…..so I doubly appreciate you taking the time to write to me as well! 🙂 ……and Pi, too! I finally read through this whole thread and your posts above……I’m so sorry to hear you’ve been feeling isolated and feeling low…..I hope you’re feeling better today than the couple days ago when you posted! I appreciate that even in your state and with all you’ve been going through, you’ve always taken the time to respond to me… Read more »

amaranthismeMM Member
amaranthisme

I think I’ve been dealing with my basement bit by bit for 5 years now christmas was the hardest day. literally got a dose of the past triggering spooks on xmas day. yesterday i just changed around the furniture with my partner in my room it was tres amazing having my ordered cancerian w taurus moon and leo rising helping me with this. he is a power house of logical process. i on the other hand had to watch ron burgundy after my super amazing ph interview for a job prospect just to defraz the head. i think i put… Read more »

BlancaMM Member
Blanca

Mercury/Pluto bang on my natal Mercury in the second house. It’s been SUCH a difficult few months. I quit my corporate job in early November with only a few thousand dollars in the bank and have been on the strangest roller coaster of emotions to date. Somedays I feel so good re: simplifying my life, leaving behind the bureaucratic bs, redefining my career goals, etc. Other days? Not so much. Lots of existential breakdowns. This week has been rife with depression and wtf-ness. My allergies are incessant, I’m running out of money, got a job in retail at a barely… Read more »

Lux Interior Is My Co-PilotMM Member
Lux Interior Is My Co-Pilot

I SO GET THIS!!! XXX

akapluto
akapluto

Merc/pluto has been business as usual for me…I have this aspect natally… However the current transiting conjunction has been dancing around in my 2nd and I feel like I’m hemorrhaging money. My job has also been spying on us and mysteriously firing people, so there’s a lot of paranoia going around about what I might be doing wrong and if they know or if I’m even doing anything wrong at all. eep. I’ve also been trying to work on my body (2nd house) and figure out this whole mystery of what the hell is wrong with me. Despite all my… Read more »

annica
annica

Ugh. I hated Dec particularly around 20th. No, nothing bad happened. Was more a lack of anything happening, anything positive. If i recall correctly Dec was marked with a flurry of activity to push myself and “get out there” in regards to work, self id, and projects. So glad i did not apply this to love because surely I would’ve been a laughing stock. I promoted the shit out of myself in Dec with scripts, writings, artwork, etc. only to have every effort blocked and rejected. Gee thanks Mars. You get me all riled up to do a thing and… Read more »

Invicta
Invicta

the Monday of the months, quite

Saoirse Kirke
Saoirse Kirke

Other people’s basements.

PiMM Member
Pi

so dark, and so other people’s. *dust and padlocks*

Saoirse Kirke
Saoirse Kirke

Much dust, many skeletons.
Also, ice.
I’m mostly being metaphorical.

Pi 23
Pi 23

I’ve never been so confused or is it fear in my whole life.

Year of the PhoenixMM Member
Year of the Phoenix

This too shall pass

fomalhaut_mc
fomalhaut_mc

I have Mercury on Pluto in my natal chart, in Scorpio, so this uncovering truth and shining light into the darkness thing feels somewhat natural. Although I usually do it in my creative work and not as well in my relationships with others. But that full Cancer moon on my ascendant with the mercury-pluto transit in my 7th house really brought all of my emotions to the forefront regarding my significant other. At Christmas, I told him how exhausted I was waiting for him to be ready to get married. We had talked about it several times before, so with… Read more »

akapluto
akapluto

I was gonna say…does anyone else with natal merc/pluto (I also have it in scorp) feel like this is business as usual?

I mean paranoia and awareness of the dark recesses of life is kind of my thing.

fomalhaut_mc
fomalhaut_mc

haha akapluto — I know, it doesn’t feel that strange. It’s like, as usual, everything is deep, emotional, and no BS. Not so much like Uranus in Aries opposing my sun, which has been much more jarring because that dynamic is not reflected in my natal chart.

leolizaMM Member
leoliza

I had a surprise visit to oral surgeon to pull out a tooth that required lots of work 5 years ago (on the day of a blizzard…so much pain) so somehow this is the culmination of that? this FM? is it connected somehow to Feb 2010?oh..and also theres a blizzard coming today LOL…..

Xanadeux
Xanadeux

When mercury hit pluto on top of my natal moon (perfectly conjunct prog moon and opposite natal venus) I saw the light to quit my job and the prison mental constructs that had made me feel there was no other option. I met with the cheery boss at the job I actually want on that day. Of course retrograde made it so that company has to reasses their internal team structure before hiring me official. Didn’t stop me from quitting. Doing my last two-week dance with the devil until merc goes direct next week on my last day at the… Read more »

Fishgirl
Fishgirl

“the enormous gulf between what people expect to hear and what is actually happening…” rang true for me… Merc and Pluto in my 8th house right now too…. my bullshit-crapometer off the richter… Take your chit chat and shove it… What an illuminating week its been…. best channeled into creative pursuits I believe… and sleep. Isolation is shit, even if you can just get to a library or a forum like this to remind you that you matter and you exist… howl tomorrow night (and drink all the drinks, and maybe find a huge body of water to detox from… Read more »

Pi
Pi

Sound advice fishgirl. (Auto corrected to “downfield” if that’s of random interest haha)

Yep this blog and forcing myself to leave house is both good to keep a grip. A few years of living like a recluse = hard habit to break.

Let The Howling begin 😀

PiMM Member
Pi

tldr version: ugh. Other version: I’m going pretty badly actually. One of those “I hate myself and want to die” kind of days. I’m sure it will pass, but you know. Going to try for a 6am wake up and a long walk to try and shock my system into being awake in the actual morning and getting things done. The to do list is overwhelming and I have no peer group to speak of; isolation is intense and I cannot stand plastering on a fake smile and making fake-casual small talk about me and my life to random aquaintances,… Read more »

PiMM Member
Pi

Last para – childish but cathartic. Sign of distress. Etc.

supakaliMM Member
supakali

oh, and hey, i hope you’re actually OK. We could meet up, I would not expect you to smile 🙂

PiMM Member
Pi

Thanks supa k. I actually just want to get blind drunk… classic, surefire reset mechanism. Will give it my best shot tomorrow. I checked my own personal astro, it was looking ok, and decided to drop a line to the cap. I’m a bit sick of waiting around until the fuqing stars align one way or another, venus retro inaction in July key example, I seemed to do ok without knowing SFA about anything until a few years ago, I’m not the Macchiavelli of Love and it’s all just too complicated. Anyway despite my bravado and bullshit, I fear that… Read more »

supakaliMM Member
supakali

dude, I didn’t mean you, you know that right? and no apologies required -you’re fine, you get to feel and express without judgment.

I think the FM is inconjunct Neptune square Saturn, so bear that in mind tomoz x

Pi
Pi

Thanks sk.
No no I knew what you meant about the funny. Normally that’s where I land but I have no one to be funny with *cue sad clown self pity face*

Thanks for the weekend heads up.
Might just run to dubbo and back… keep my mind off things haha.
I just need to distract myself, like a fractious child.

At least Venus is in my 7th, maybe it’s all arrived like fairy dust and sugar plums at his end.

Can’t imagine what this in the 8th house is like.

supakaliMM Member
supakali

Kundalini yoga?

Also the Moon opposed the Merc/Pluto yesterday, hope you feel a little better today!

PiMM Member
Pi

i’ve been wondering about kundalini yoga and tantric meditation actually. trying to find someone locally who isn’t all about couples sex life and whatever. there’s an interesting book i came across online, might look into it..

ohh ok the moon
well yes
thank you
that would have completed the cardinal square in my chart in a very emo fashion
I was so fried I forgot an appointment with therapist this morn 🙁
one day i’ll get this right..
sigh.

thanks sk.

annica
annica

I second the kundalini yoga thing!

Also i just read

Cupid’s poisoned arrow… About karezza. It might interest you.

Roxy ScorpioMM Member
Roxy Scorpio

geez, what has he done? 🙂 not that I can´t relate…completely, that is, cap and on the other side of the world incl.

PiMM Member
Pi

Roxy scorp, it’s almost entirely in my head: he’s done nothing wrong at all: except not be and do exactly what I gratingly hope he will be and do. It’s an exercise in patience, releasing expectations, and getting to work, gently, on Planet Pi because, after all, there is stuff to do. And then breathing and moving and more loving patience and release of self and others from the cage of clingy doom.

SallyWilde
SallyWilde

Well, tho you don’t know me, I’m grateful you said all you said. I’m looking at emails from cap bf and seeing flare up on each of the Mercury dates. Decision: let go of expectation, or let go of the person? I don’t know, but what you wrote gave me the sudden flash that at least I have a choice–and some species of freedom. Thank you.

SallyWilde
SallyWilde

My question: does releasing expectations mean selling myself out?

supakaliMM Member
supakali

what happened Pi?

I’m with you on the bubbly – exhausting! Jesus, half my work energy expenditure is just meeting facile social expectations, not even, it’s more like deflecting, lol.

Considering that Mercury is conjunct Pluto in my 8H it would come as no surprise that what I hate is the superficiality of it, and the meaninglessness. I mean come on, at least make it funny, that I can do.

Pi
Pi

‘Deflecting meaningless social interactions’ yes omg i used to love the fluff and I just can’t handle these days. Relate.

Scorpie
Scorpie

Haha. That last comment re the Cap made laugh 🙂

Hang in there. The astro is SOOOO intense. And there’s only a few more days until Merc goes direct. Darkest before dawn and all that. And Mystic did say this full moon squares Pluto (?) so it’s not going to be the “hey isn’t that a pretty moon” kinda full moon

Xx

Pi
Pi

🙂

ChrysalisMM Member
Chrysalis

Hey babe. It seems so lame to offer the usual platitudes. I know how this feels particularly the isolation part. It’s fuqued, it makes everything worse. We Cap moons are so much harder on ourselves than is helpful, sometimes. How is your magnesium intake? Can you have a good soak in epsom salts? I’m also a fan of the booze blowout, as I have said here a few times. Get sh*tfaced, have a good cry and take 24 hours enforced rest in a dark room. I don’t ‘recommend’ it as such, but sometimes all we can be is really human.… Read more »

Pi
Pi

Isolation is a killer. Ugh. I’m cool with solitude but this is beyond. Am actively working on social life, so in flux. But still its a great way to fester and lose touch with the daily thing esp for …people like us? don’t know. Magnesium.. I have no idea. My diet is pretty balanced but maybe this weird/stressy month needs some extra nutrition kick. Cap moon, God , if I could take it out the back and shoot it, I would. It does nothing except get me thought the hard times that it set up for me in the first… Read more »

ChrysalisMM Member
Chrysalis

Do I read correctly that Cap is your 7th house? Sheesh this sounds like textbook Pluto, the cosmic bulldozer: “I shall take away to make space whether you like it or not.” Fishgirl’s advice is excellent. Go to a library or a museum, a coffee shop, anything to be around people. My regime is going great. Nothing like a shallow goal to get a Leo rising motivated. There’s a good chance I’ll see the Neptunian Cap next weekend. Even if I do see him we won’t speak – but when he clocks me across a crowded room I don’t want… Read more »

PiMM Member
Pi

take away to make space….
yes
fine, i’ll take the space

i applaud your leo rising motivation. It really is a thing. And no less valid than anything else – as a prog leo rising and saturn in the mix: i learn from you, you know! and yes. not leaving anything to chance. there’s nothing like knowing you’ve worked on and finessed every detail of self, inner and outer. builds … resilience? plus feeling fit is always good.
where doubt may otherwise lurk.
saturn trine your asc yet?

JokermanMM Member
Jokerman

You are starting to sound like me (except for the “meeting a man” part)
Do l have to start sounding like you back to you? Lol

I understand

Pi
Pi

Agh
You must be in a bad way

Unusual confluence of circumstances is magnifying my usual piscean crap

And upon reflection, my little brain explosion here is textbook mercury Pluto in 7th house yes?
Well, as you have.

I was just reading a thing, about patience, two lines I loved:

Patience is sticky passion.
Patience is being a soul ninja.

And
Slow resistance wins the war
(Soundgarden)

Sticky obviously meaning tenacity not the other sticky. For those thinking I am oblivious to double entendres

JokermanMM Member
Jokerman

Well my Moon is in the 7th but Pluto doesn’t conjoin it, exactly, till 2028/9 (educated guess). My Moon is my VERY dominant planet. Its my 1) Chart Ruler 2) My ‘Bucket Handle’ in my Bucket shaped chart. This coupled with KatSun, which along with my Asc, trine my Jup n Nep (Pisces’ rulers) respectively, in Scorpio, in Cancer’s haus. Along with my Scorpionic Mars Pluto conjunct (which if it was a car, it surely would be a Porsche) & Scorpio chart tone. Let’s just say l deal with a lot of tsunamic energy. A partner means more than anything… Read more »

Year of the PhoenixMM Member
Year of the Phoenix

You are in the right place to meet the ladies PF as they are in abundance in those hills and valleys!

supakaliMM Member
supakali

the hills and valleys themselves might be enough to keep our Katman happy 😉

JokermanMM Member
Jokerman

Awwhhh…you mean topographical hills n valleys. I see, well l actually had not thought of that.

JokermanMM Member
Jokerman

Well my Moon is in the 7th but Pluto doesn’t conjoin it, exactly, till 2028/9 (educated guess). My Moon is my VERY dominant planet. Its my 1) Chart Ruler 2) My ‘Bucket Handle’ in my Bucket shaped chart. This coupled with KatSun, which along with my Asc, trine my Jup n Nep (Pisces’ rulers) respectively, in Scorpio, in Cancer’s haus. Along with my Scorpionic Mars Pluto conjunct (which if it was a car, it surely would be a Porsche) & Scorpio chart tone. Let’s just say l deal with a lot of tsunamic energy. A partner means more than anything… Read more »

JokermanMM Member
Jokerman

Soz for dbl post. Im out the back of Nimbin atm
PS: l keep running into this cute Kat hippy chic.

PiMM Member
Pi

http://bit.ly/1Vf7dXH

high waist not for the cringey control top idea but because classic styling, and I have saturn in Leo and jupiter in Taurus, you see. There are curves and they must be appropriately framed.
#superherofashiontips for Saturn in Leo

PiMM Member
Pi

underpants on the outside type!
lol
hmm
THIS shall be my motto (if not sartorial choice) for first half 2016.

hmm
red undies? GOLD undies.
yes. it shall be done

supakaliMM Member
supakali

lol, i dare ya 😉

annica
annica

*hugs*. Feeling you!

PiMM Member
Pi

xx

hdq
hdq

I HUG YOU SO HARD. (Saturnian boundaries notwithstanding) The wall of pain that rolled off this post absolutely demanded wine. Sweet Pi, you are so unceasingly positive and in tune amd pragmatic and wise — there is still a time and place for despair. So, cheers to awful clarity and crushing aloneness and spiralling pits and meatsuit inadequacy and fuck it all. Go with it. Let the sadness flow — honesty, authenticity, bravery. Maybe eat something bloody with your alcohol. Destroy. Let the rage flow. Joyful Pi will return, but be present with you now. And know that you are… Read more »

PiMM Member
Pi

omg, what a great way to put things. affirmative and now-ness… thank you hdq. BIG HUGS TOO X also wine.

Invicta
Invicta

God Pi, I don’t know what to say, except ditto to above comments and just to acknowledge that this is a fuqin hard time for you but you know what? You’re doing so well. I know you feel like shit. But you are feeling it and going through it and that means, in my book that you are doing brilliantly. I know that’s a weird way to look at things but it’s how I’m dealing with myself atm. Turned up for yoga class late (again- no excuse, I’d been up writing in bed for hours) and then spent most of… Read more »

PiMM Member
Pi

Xxx

ElectroMM Member
Electro

Luv u, Pi. xx

PiMM Member
Pi

Thanks ‘lectro. X

Fishgirl
Fishgirl

A funeral, a trip to the ER, i resigned my job of the past year, i had to reveal a heap of gross stuff going on everyone else hiding from in order to resign, what a f&ucked up week.
But nice & cathartic. And writing always saves everything.
Bring on the post-fire-phoenix-ness…!

Roxy ScorpioMM Member
Roxy Scorpio

Pluto/Merc. meeting precisely(!) on my IC – what does this mean?

Mars? Bring it on.
Saturn/Neptune? My pleasure.

Pluto? Insanity!!! Haunted…nightmare…shaken to the core.
Only comfort: it will be gone by February.

LauraMM Member
Laura

Oh my Circe, yesterday and Wednesday were hard. I had a very very dear friend and some times lover tell me that I am one of the women he can truly say he loves and it threw me into a well of sadness. This is a man I can say I also love, in some unbending and self-same sense of the word, so this was a.) not a surprise, really and b.) something that didn’t need voicing. But it’s still upended me. I’m leaving the country, possibly permanently, in May and I am becoming all-too-aware of the endings of things… Read more »

PiMM Member
Pi

Hugs. I wish you well. I don’t know how one would deal with a constellation of feelings like that. X

annica
annica

I am not leaving the country but i am feeling this so hard.

Invicta
Invicta

ditto, as in similar and feeling it hard.

ChrysalisMM Member
Chrysalis

Perhaps appropriate for Merc on Pluto which is on my moon-Lilith-Eros-Juno I am revisiting the ‘talking cure’. It is helping me deal with the last vestiges of grief I still carry around from my divorce. Some stuff linked to family of origin/deep 4th house issues that I either hadn’t considered or didn’t want to examine.

Invicta
Invicta

as in the movie or psychotherapy?

ChrysalisMM Member
Chrysalis

The latter – booked in a few sessions w my shrink.

Invicta
Invicta

I’ve decided to do the same. It’s just so hard to know who the right ones are and where to find them. My ideal shrink would be a gay man. The straight “any kinda” therapist men just get sucked in by awesomeness/dysfunction/patterns and the whole transference / countertransference issue means I get hurt AND lose my therapist since I seem to epitomise “the other woman” Lilith archetype. I even had a date with one recently (online dating, didn’t know he was a physiotherapist) which I could tell would have been sexually mindblowing, had I gone down that road, but nothing… Read more »

ChrysalisMM Member
Chrysalis

Wow I’m sorry you’ve had such a hard time finding a good therapist when you’ve needed one. I haven’t had any of those issues. My thing is I need to ensure they are an intellectual match for me. I kind of interview them in the first couple of sessions. I have found a really good person who helps me. Just keep looking until you find the right one – they are out there. x

aquasunrise
aquasunrise

I had been seeing a wonderful psychologist but it stopped as holidays came, no one to take on my child while I was in the session… The therapist I think was a bit demanding, expecting me to commit more, reveal too much, so I did not, but the hiccup was genuine. I think you learn, obtain strength, have a reprieve – then you step back into life and realise these are people after all too. They are learning too from you. Mine was for grief too, but interestingly even though its now managed better, it still comes up, there’s no… Read more »

JokermanMM Member
Jokerman

My 7th. My anguish.

sagstella
sagstella

I RESIGNED. And am re locating. With full support of my manager and she said she’ll be a reference when and if someone calls.

Now for my love life with that eternal soul mate… Yeah not looking good. Lots of feelings. Don’t know what to do with these feelings

JokermanMM Member
Jokerman

Katscopes so on song, they are never wrong.

Virgo date turned me down saying she had been seeing someone for the past two weeks. This was discordant with what she was saying in lead up chat.

Cap date bailed out of tomorrow. I think she is having an existential realignment.

Rejection is good.
Last 3 years / 2 dates.
Last 6 wks / 3 dates.
Later this year is my boat.
I will keep practising rejection ; l learn somethn new each time.

Invicta
Invicta

that is good strategy, tough, but right thinking.

vikingwoman
vikingwoman

Dating is like a numbers game. It’s practicing what one wants in a relationship. Here is what I did for a few years and it worked for me. (Take what you like of it and discard what you don’t like): I dated like a guy. As in Lots. That is, I agreed to go on dates with men who asked and I felt safe enough. I gave a guy a chance. Actually I gave them 3 dates and many times more just to see if chemistry would develop. Sometimes it did, but most of the time it did not. I… Read more »

ChrysalisMM Member
Chrysalis

This is most bizarre as I have just this very minute been contemplating such a strategy, now your comment pops up!

I’m thinking it would be good for practice in articulating my feelings, boundaries, being true to myself, while I work on personal stuff.

JokermanMM Member
Jokerman

I’ve done nuthn but keep asking. I’ve sent so many paid msgs. Overwhelmingly no replies is the most common response. Followed by African scammers. Of the replies l do get it leaves me wondering, “Why did they go on a dating site to accuse me of things l have never said or done?” And l’ve never had a woman msg me. Hows this for stupidity? I asked one femme for a coffee date after usual pleasantries. Her response was to accuse me of stalking her. I had only sent ONE msg. And this before phone or real meet up. Go… Read more »

Anon
Anon

that sucks Powderfinger – the majority ruining it for the minority who want a genuine relationship. From a female perspective it’s hard to tell the difference so we’re naturally guarded. That’s why i stopped with the online dating. It’s just so depressing. We get inundated with messages – a lot of them just plain lewd and disgusting or the guy has made zero effort for a conversation or bothered reading the profile. Or they’ll just write nothing but “Hi” and expect the women to do all the work. Online dating has put sex workers out of business. It’s just free… Read more »

JokermanMM Member
Jokerman

Online is shite. Anyway lm in an area with lots of ppl. I think l will find her in a Uranian transit.

I can see its shit fr both sides. I hear blokes say they are pullin heaps of chics. I dunno how to do that. But lve got that Mars/Pluto drive that scares em. How Scorpio can one be without having Scorp Sun or Asc?

anon
anon

“are pullin heaps of chics” If that makes them feel good about themselves, well good for them but I’ve always been abut then quality over quantity Don’t even bother with Tinder then. People get off on how many matches they make to boost their ego but try starting a conversation or meet in person. Forget it!!!!!! I met one guy for coffee. He walked me home and then i got a text from him later saying he was hoping I’d invite him in. PISS OFF!! I’m not a hooker. Who has sex after a coffee during the day!!! He didn’t… Read more »

JokermanMM Member
Jokerman

Sex is a sub-set of a relationship. These guys, and some gals, treat it as a stand alone thing. Works for some. It never worked for me; even as a teen.

“I’m learning to fly, but l ain’t got wings”

LoveSaturn
LoveSaturn

Letting go in a big way i.e.. massive.

Scorpie
Scorpie

“This is a much longer haunting/exorcism sage’

OMG!!! YES!!!

Jupiter going back and forth across my haunted 8th house.

And this Merc Rx has been the worst ever. Life has been one big rollercoaster since just before xmas.

Good to hear it will ne over soon,

Scorp / Cap Asc

VeronicaMM Member
Veronica

Yes. My personal darkness is mostly contained in the shed out the back, along with quite a bit of my sister’s personal darkness… Very plutonic day – spent hours illuminating and sweeping out dark corners in the Shed of Horrors…I felt like a miner, sweating, while having to turn sideways through really tight spaces to dig out old trash/treasures. Some things I pulled out and got a really sinking feeling like, “do i STILL have this, nooooo” and others are still relevant and I managed to repack them and save them from the mice who apparently find it very cosy… Read more »

VenusInCancerMarsInScorpioMM Member
VenusInCancerMarsInScorpio

pluto+merc are opposing my natal venus like that it is intense and honestly i feel stupid. once matters got THIS close to what (and who) i really like, it’s like i have been thrown 15 years back, in terms of psychological maturity. it dawns on me that maybe i have been avoiding going anywhere near this area as an adult. so whenever i get there now, i feel more like a teenager. and it’s such a wild contrast to how i deal with other matters, that it’s just irritating. what i do is i stop now and again and talk… Read more »

Pi
Pi

Thanks for writing this. X

Invicta
Invicta

yes, thanks. It resonates,

Colleen
Colleen

You’ve just described my last three years. And so, so true with the solution. 🙂

Janey
Janey

Omg, yes!! a very ‘fuq it’ Xmas day, shining light on shit-not everyone liked it though. Natal Mercury square Pluto.

milleunanotteMM Member
milleunanotte

Heheh natal Pluto square Mars, and Mercury Square Mars, and I had to be the quiet diplomatic one on our Christmas.

(Um, which was arranged by an Aqua and only actually happened recently, just in case Christmas means a calendar date to anyone here.)

Did YOU like it?

Janey
Janey

Haha that would be have been tricky. Did you have a good time?

No I didn’t like it. you know how subconsciously you know something, but others and your logic tell you otherwise, so you try and bring it to the light and you were right! My time is precious and I’m gonna spend with people who love me and my kids! Even that means shunning family.

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

Yes, trusting that deep intuition is often derailed by externals. As Pluto square Merc you must have a very finely tuned in sense. I feel like Pluto must have a strong sense of injustice? But i’m happy you had a good time with your children and close ones, because of your decision. I did have a good time but there was a lot going on under the surface for my n and d, so i did truly feel for them. Unfortunately, my nearest and dearest includes some difficult types, so shunning not possible. The pact is that we all help… Read more »

Janey
Janey

Hmm, yah square Mars and Saturn too, so it ain’t pretty. Lol

I’m happy that your Xmas was good and there were no dramas. I think I maybe one of difficult ones you are describing. I’m like marmite – you with love me or hate me x

scorpiodawnMM Member
scorpiodawn

yesterday was HARD. felt low, low low. hate my job. there is an irritant there who thinks she’s superior to me even tho we’re on the same level. have to get out. I have mars in my 7th hse till AUGUST!!!!
nooooo. can’t even b bothered with the astro hacks, which I used to b passionate abt. do not want to go on anti depressants, but may have to.
want to be spoon fed!
bring ON astro psyche, can’t wait!

Twin-gemini
Twin-gemini

I agree – yesterday was f%*ing hard! I woke up thinking of spending the whole day in bed. Ended up cooking all day – came up with 2 new recepies and dinner/lunch for 2 days is ready.

milleunanotteMM Member
milleunanotte

Tell you one thing: it doesn’t matter who is so-called superior to whom. What it means to look after others at work, an ACTUAL manager/superior, is a whole lot of humility and rolling up sleeves. Also, you might notice how people with natural gravitas don’t have to swing it about wildly. Well, of course, i mean you are a Scorp, is that correct? Sending luck and blessings and whatever else i could roll that might work to help. Possibly a single quiet wish. Yeh i really7 do wish a little peace for you. Peace has a way of spreading around.

scorpiodawnMM Member
scorpiodawn

thankyou milleunanotte. yes I am a scorpio, and maybe I do have natural gravitas….or maybe I’m saving my enery for s’thing less petty than who does which tasks in a supermarket! pah!
peace sounds gd honey.
well done twin Gemini, always nice to feel organised on the meal front!
x x

Scorpsag
Scorpsag

Yep. I felt the same. It’s been building the whole week and truthfully all month. Probably year. Finding that self-care and yoga is helping me to detach and not get so wound up emotionally that I can’t think straight or strategise. I’m applying for 12 months leave without pay shortly. Even though I’ll still have to work somewhere, the positive shift in energy that I felt knowing that I only have a few weeks left at that job is worth it. Hope you come through it too.

scorpiodawnMM Member
scorpiodawn

thanku.i keep looking for something else but its hard here on a small island. hard to find s thing to fit around my son aswell.

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