Frank & Ava: Mars Square Venus In Synastry

Mars Square Venus In Synastry

For a brilliant example of Mars Square Venus In Synastry, look to Golden Era Hollywood stars Frank Sinatra and Ava Gardner.

“…He had, at last, found a true partner in the opera that was his life. All his other women had been supporting players, but Ava was a diva with a soul whose turbulence equalled his own. Both ­harboured profound feelings of ­worthlessness, which expressed ­themselves in volcanic furies.

 

‘We were high-strung people,’ she said. ‘Possessive, jealous and liable to explode fast. When I lose my temper, you can’t find it any place. He’s the same.’


Both had titanic appetites, for food, drink, cigarettes, diversion, companionship and sex. Each loved jazz. Both were politically ­liberal. Each were fascinated with prostitution and perversity. Both ­distrusted sleep, fearing it as death’s mirror. They both hated being alone…”

 

Daily Mail

Mars & Venus connections between people describe sexual chemistry. Just add Pluto or Uranus influences for deep-psyche volcanic under-rumblings.

Sinatra’s Mars in Leo squared Gardner’s Venus in Scorpio exact. Mars Square Venus in Synastry is the sort of inter-personal chemistry you could power a small planet with.

When these two meet for the first time, it’s like a pheromonal earthquake. You expect crockery to be falling out of shelves and some sort of alarm to be going off.

Plutonic People With Mars Square Venus Synastry

Whatever their conversation is about – it’s probably banal – they’re carrying on a whole other dialogue via their vamped up endorphins.

Both Sinatra and Gardner had strong Pluto aspects – him to his Moon and her to Mars. The snazzy sex-vibe had underlying chthonic dimensions. They were Hollywood Stars, who knew how to stage a jealous tantrum or a win-back pop-up. His Mars squared her Venus for ramped up sexual chemistry. Both of them were Plutonic people. That is, when they got the hots for someone, their soul got involved.

For more on these aspects and others like them, see Soulmate Links.

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Vallin
Vallin

I have a natal Venus-Pluto (Venus in SCO conj. ASC) sextile. Does that make me Frank to my own Ava? It would explain much.

Uranian&Plutonic Virgo
Uranian&Plutonic Virgo

On the day of the Venus-Pluto sextile, I fell asleep soooo tired, totally didn’t expect to dream of anything, and was unaware of the Venus-Pluto sextile #2, at least not consciously anyway.

And BAM, a dream happened anyway, so…, so amazingly marrowbone-melting.

Whilst at work yesterday, nearly cried from missing him so much, luckily was alone. After work, finally had a chance to write it all down, and my skin tingled again just from remembering.

Marrowbone sigh…..

Oh, and synastry-wise it’s my venus sextile his mars, and my mars-jupiter conjunct his venus.

Andromeda
Andromeda

They do look like good partners in crime!

I am beginning to take Lilith a bit more seriously. Just looked at two schizophrenic friend’s charts.
One has Lilith conj Mercury & Neptune.
The other has Lilith conj the sun in the 12th.

Seems like Lilith and Neptune are really potent together…

Charley
Charley

Got a Venus/Mars square situation in my life at the moment that I’m trying to avoid. Potential mess alert. Oh to look like Ava!

Uranian&Plutonic Virgo
Uranian&Plutonic Virgo

Yes, she was divine-looking in pics. Would love a chance to see what she looked like up close!

Anonymous
Anonymous

I kinda decided yesterday I needed to cease all contact with the ‘friend’ with whom I have a mars/Venus square. Fab chemistry but conflicted, and I finally think too much so to continue. Venus/Pluto things tend to bring him into my orb but not today. Gladly, I’m not sure I could have managed it.
Venus retro sucks. Would totally do Frank though.

Fi
Fi

Hmmm. Have Venus in Scorp square Mars in Leo, natally, and Venus-Pluto/Uranus (both in Virgo) sextile. It’s trouble, for sure. In defence of Venus in Scorp, though, don’t know what it was that made Ava a promiscuous drunk, but from my experience, we can’t blame Venus in Scorp alone for this. Or maybe we can, and it’s just my Venus in Scorp sextile discriminating Pluto in Virgo that is responsible for the (rather inconvenient) fact that 99.99% of the male sex have always left me totally uninterested, lust wise. But then there is Mr .01% – and when someone like… Read more »

shell
shell

Ha, I think I’m with you on that one Fi.

Ms.
Ms.

been getting emails from hot-as-hell photographer kataka London town asking my return date. Venus square mars, his NN on my venus/neptune sagg conjunct exact. My NN Virgo on his asc exact. Moon pluto exact composite chart. venus pluto venus moon. this chart has it all. lol.

Been a good girl mostly. we would make awesome duo just would want creative pro blend not bedroom solo. see how we roll, I am not rushing for no one. got my own thing going x

fallen angel
fallen angel

Ms. He musta seen yo lips.. tee hee

I’m pissed. YES I’d like to honor the Venus-Pluto sextile with something more plutonian than hot wings. Really.

Retro Venus cannot end fast enough for moi.

Ms.
Ms.

but you are the princess of enlightened sexuality.. bitches don’t know that they are missing. stamp that stiletto and make them appear xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Ms.
Ms.

2 ball prerequisite.

Infact they are men of your liking I would think. Have you considered visiting London 😉

fallen angel
fallen angel

Oh honeychile I’ve practically been doing the flamenco..but perhaps I’m stamping out a special kind of orgasmic morse code through time and space. And by Lilith, YES, two balls of respectable size at the very least.. would LOVE to visit London but ’tis on my AVOID list for now as Le Sewer was British. You are not wrong though I seem to be quite popular in that region as well as her colonies. But I am so NOT doing the long distance thing again. Evah. Hence exercising patience with the Local Slow Man Movement by staying within my environs but… Read more »

bluelibra
bluelibra

The sexual chemistry between them is literally gleaming off that photo… It sounds fascinatingly exhilirating yet exhausting…

Shannon
Shannon

Haha I noticed that too : )

She’s got her left arm up (blocking the rest of the room out) & has dropped her right shoulder to let him in. He obviously can’t keep his eyes or hands off her!

Ms.
Ms.

totally. steaming. I love her slightly pretend to be interested in your conversation while I fix my hair moment. love Ava Gardner

shell
shell

I have a skirt that has a whole Frank fantasy bound up with it. He is with me when I wear it.

Fi
Fi

Have you ever seen the mugshot of a very young and (at that age) particularly gorgeous Frank with his booking (police) number on it – sold as a print these days? I have a delightful nephew who is about Frank’s age when that picture was taken, and the dead-set spitting image. So spitting that I nearly rammed the car in front as I drove past it in a store window – thought it was nephew! Has great voice and enormous stage presence, too. Drinks a lot, I suspect, as most under 25’s do when they’re out, and adored by women;… Read more »

shell
shell

hmmm, under 25 maybe a tad too young for me.
Bummer

Chloe
Chloe

speaking of Venus/Mars squares…
the new soul-brother’s Mars in Cancer squares my Aries Venus
and my Mars in Gem squares his Venus in Pisces… both within 2 degrees….
squares galore really… his Pluto squares Mars and mine squares my moon…

heads up on what we’ve got in store?? we get on so well..

whatevs
whatevs

Ticking all the mars venus pluto uranus sun boxes with the aqua – potentially nauseating sorry so am not going into deets. We only have I think 2 difficult aspects and they are the only things we’ve ever argued about. If anything the lack of friction gets old – but not old enough for it to end.

Ms.
Ms.

I love that you have awesome aqua love. what more could a libra want?

whatevs
whatevs

exactly – which is why it’s potentially nauseating – I read your question and my mind went blank and then I finally could think of some things I could want but I’d rather have him so there it is. Nothing. Nothing more. Well maybe some more fights so we could make up…? That’s the mars venus pluto uranus aspect talking : o)

Bluesky
Bluesky

there’s an Ava Gardner museum in her hometown. I wonder what’s there? I doubt they play up the hyper sexuality and drinking.

Now I’m off on a Lilith tangent. Have mine in Scorpio, conjunct Neptune near IC. all kinds of bad, I guess, although every lilith placement sounds dire on the sites that I’ve been reading. need new sites… And everything in Scorpio sounds dark, so I guess I’m a double dark lilith. they got one thing right. that placement means mediumistic experiences (and interest in astrology…). that’s true!

whatevs
whatevs

Check out lilith in mystic’s archives and funk astrology also has a lot of lilith. I’m not sure where you’ve been but she’s only dire when repressed.

Andromeda
Andromeda

Oops, I didn’t see this Bluesky! I think it definitely means mediumship! What I wrote below is true for my friends, but they are also incredibly brilliant thinkers/feelers with their finger on the pulse of the cosmos… I find them the most fun to talk to of all my friends really.

Bluesky
Bluesky

I agree that something in my chart makes me “feel” insane!!! I’m not kidding. My mind is very opened up to pattern-making tendencies and to white noise patterns. I have to remind myself that when a fan is on and I start to think it’s a distant radio station that this is just the way my antennae work. I am very receptive. I completely relate to schizophrenia and intellectually wonder if there’s more to the story there than a thorazine treatment. Great deal of empathy. What was that movie a while back that showed schizophrenia from the schizophrenic’s viewpoint??? That… Read more »

Bluesky
Bluesky

Oh, and because I’m on a lilith tangent, I was trying to figure out all the different lilith’s (asteroid, black moon, oscillating…). Mine are all strongly placed. Oscillating is exactly conjunct my IC and only a few degrees away from my Neptune conjunct Black Moon Lilith in Scorpio. (All of this is in Scorpio). Plus my Sun is conjunct Pluto! I read one astrologer’s site that featured a long treatise on people with Sun conjunct Pluto. The short version of what he wrote was: We are all evil:) I think he might have just been spurned by a Sun conjunct… Read more »

Andromeda
Andromeda

He sounds like his Sun definitely rejected by someone Plutonic, at least I see blue skies ahead for you dear! Well that’s really interesting! So what do you do when you aren’t down at the local spiritualist meeting? You sound like you have a destiny alright. Your 9 year old too! I don’t know about that movie, but would love to see it. Have a strong Neptune influence to my chart and I seem to have had lots of friends with Schizophrenia, my husband also. He seems to be like a lightning road for high strung people. I am the… Read more »

Bluesky
Bluesky

You know what? Now you’ve given me a way to help my 9 yr. old think about her “gift.” I DO know how to shut down the 3rd eye and how to do the white light thing to cleanse! I should share that with her in a way she can understand. Because I agree with you that the “insanity” of being too sensitive is not being able to control it or get away from it. Once I got those tools, I felt much better about my sensitivities. Thanks! I think my girl will get into envisioning a white light. She… Read more »

Andromeda
Andromeda

Brilliant! That’s a peaceful and hopeful way to enter the issue, sharing skills, love your work. 🙂

Taurean Love Expert
Taurean Love Expert

Ava really aged badly, though. Easier for boys to get away with being promiscuous drunk than girls – esp in the good ole days of chain smoking from age 15.

Ms.
Ms.

I have this theory on small women get away with murder.

The Leo Socialite
The Leo Socialite

Sorry! Not meaning to be crass – i mean more as in self-pleasuring and doing stuff for yourself…not letting yourself be sucked into what sounds like game playing. so you honor yr beauty and sexuality in a healthy way. yes i did have a few champersand am reading a wicca book

Shannon
Shannon

Sounds like genius advice! : )

bluelibra
bluelibra

Having a few champers and reading Wicca, yes.

Shannon
Shannon

I wish! Unfortunately I’m too sick for reading or alcohol. Called in (legitimately) sick to work today (for the first time in years) & cancelled dinner plans – Feel like I’m letting the Toro team down ; )

Revised plans include lots of water, fruit salad & watching All About Eve.

Shannon
Shannon

Ahhh… Kinda hoping the crass suggestion is due to a bit of Melbourne Cup over indulgence… haha & unfortunately this does fall into the category of past stuff which has just recently surfaced again : )

The Leo Socialite
The Leo Socialite

I would love to be a promiscuous drunk who was still seen as beautiful etc etc etc. I just got back from stupid lunch, broke heel on stupid sandal and booked a therapist. Is it bad to pick one based a lot on his looks? I thought it would make me less scared to go and it works with my dentist.

shannon go and have a wank and then go to the hairdressers. or get your nails done. venus retor is for past stuff processing i think

whatevs
whatevs

hehehe there’s nothing quite like advice from a lady who lunches – am pretty sure you’re meant to be in love with your therapist isn’t it part of the deal?

Shannon
Shannon

Ahhh, Mystic! I just got off the phone to the Libra that has her Venus in Scorpio opposite my Mars in Taurus! It is taking every bit of self-discipline (obviously from the Cap Moon, not the Toro Sun) that I have to avoid going back there! This Venus Retro has been killer!

bluelibra
bluelibra

Woah Shannon.. that’s full on.

Shannon
Shannon

Too full on! Especially when you add her (adorable & super possessive) Cancer gf into the equation. So complicated… My Venus in Gemini just loves complicated… & that just gives my Cap Moon & my Scorp/Sagg in my 8th even more reasons to run & hide ; )

Shannon
Shannon

Oops! Scorp/Sagg in my 7th – not 8th! : )

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