Does A Near Death Experience Warrant A New Birth Chart?

Fausto AgnelliYou would not think to connect a Near Death Experience And Astrology but when this Scorpio came back from the dead, did he get a rebirth chart?

Dear Mystic,

On Oct 2, 2015, having been through 3 months of cleansing myself of everything that fucken Saturn had thrown at me for 29 fucking years, I died. After a massive heart attack, I was dead for 20 minutes. I had tubes in every orifice,  medical staff doing CPR and was zapped eight fucking times with electricity. The thing I recall about being dead for 20 minutes was not being an entity (such as a human shell), but that of a quark or sub atom particle, drifting in the eternity of the cosmos. I was part of everything and connected to the awesomeness of the universe (that is the only label I have that will allow people to perceive the darkness I was floating/drifting in).
It was so peaceful and calming.

I believe it is the way it goes when we die, that our awesome conscious is all connected. We return to that valued source. The trouble is in this world, people have to block this out and travel down the complex road of human society with all the other non ‘seeing’ humans. Finally, I was alive yet again. It took Jesus three days. It took hospital staff 20 minutes. So here I am wondering what the fuq.
I am the same but not the same. So why am I here? Is it going to be different?

Will I become a better Libra/Rising Scorpio? Will I still be the violent warrior? There are so many Qs and so few visible A’s. Answers take time. It has only been a month, this 2nd time around, I am now seeing a shrink. My doctors are amazed at my recovery. But I know that with the right guidance of my Spiritual Ancients, allies, and guides I will be on a better path. Mystic will know as she is an ally to me. I am sure she has CCTV watching my every move as her readings are so fucking accurate.

Thanks for your insight and valued input to my life. The questions I have for you ‘Mystic Medusa’:- After a traumatic event like death, then resuscitation, does a person stay in the same horoscope profile?
Or would it change? There are so many questions I have been seeking answers for after this event. Do I have two astro charts now that I died and come back? Lol
Love ya Mystic
Regards Colin
 

Near Death Experience And Astrology Question One – Do You Get A New Birth Chart?

Dear Colin,

Okay, you win the award for the most mindblowing email.  Welcome back and thank you for the compliments. Your astrology at the time of this event was sensational. It was your second Saturn Return AND it was on your North Node. What happened with the first Saturn Return/North Node scenario?  That would have been November 1985.

They say North Node in Sagittarius people like travel but you’re one-upping everyone with your astral trip. And you got eight electricity zaps, eight being the number of Saturn.

But to answer your actual question, i don’t think that you get a new birth chart, as such. But that if you can get the exact time of your revival, that chart would definitely hold many a clue as to your next direction. Especially the Moon, Midheaven and Rising Sign degree.

The most significant factor of this near-death experience, at least astrologically, is Saturn on your North Node. That is your North Star, your very life purpose. There is something distinct you were bought back to do. Saturn is not exactly nebulous. And if you get the chart for the revival moment and see where Saturn was in that chart, voila an answer.

Also, Pluto exact squares your North Node – this event was Saturn on your North Node square Pluto. Pluto rules you. This is not your first Plutonic situation. And your South Node is in the 8th House.  You’re accomplished at transitions and indigo realms.

What does everyone else think?

 

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Steven
Steven

Joy with Joy. My NDE occurred 4/15/1999. (Better called an NLE — Nearer to Life Experience — it is this outer physical world that is “dead”). Using Dymock Brose’s Age Harmonics, Emerson’s Part of Death was conjunct the Sun, orb 0°21’A and conjunct Mars, all in the 6th House with Scorpio on the Cusp. The Part of Death and Sun were square Uranus in the 9th of Journeys Beyond Earth. Moon, Saturn, and the Nodes were in the 8th House of Awakening square Jupiter in the 11th House Friends in Higher Places. And Pluto in the 12th of the Trance… Read more »

Helen
Helen

I also died…for about 5 minutes…from an freak accident although health-wise I was in perfect condition…I kept moving for 3+ miles, keeping my bones and muscles in alignment…when I was floating upwards and then thought about my dear cat, I knew to “swim backwards” into my body (I’m a Pisces Sun/Cancer Rising/Virgo Moon…and with my 2nd “birthdate” I’m a Libra Sun/Leo Rising/Cancer Moon…February 21 and October 21 respectively!). I refused surgery, rehabbed myself, am a vegan…and besides working with children went back to being an artist…but removed myself from the painbody-human-tribe I was surrounded by at the time of the… Read more »

Firefish
Firefish

Funny, I just picked up Castenada for the first time in 25 years…. And got it in a completely different way- Colin your voice comes through so powerfully, my dad died a month ago exactly on the eclipse, I was awake and at that exact time (I found out later, we were on different continents) I felt this powerful swoosh of energy and for some reason I started praying…my life has completely transformed in the last month, the castenada thing- I think the shock shifted my assemblage point, and has opened a different doorway to life for me just by… Read more »

Aries Gal
Aries Gal

Awesome story! I love it.

Have you ever heard of the concept Indigo Children? Have a read if you haven’t…

basically a generation of people born to change the world in a nut shell.

A lovely commenter above mentioned its your time to talk to the NON PEOPLE of this world.

Maybe you should really delve into spirituality, meditate, seek out gurus, open a wellness clinic, meditation clinic, explore yoga, become a hollistic healer OH MY THE OPTIONS ARE ENDLESS..

OR – do you meditate? Maybe you should start and guarantee the answer will come

Tonestar
Tonestar

When I read ‘Pluto rules you… This is not your first Plutonic situation.’ I got epic goosebumps… 😀

Pi
Pi

You also asked some questions. I wanted to ask why you say “will I still be the violent warrior” Is it important to you that you are/remain violent (or non-violent)? Or a warrior? A Libra rising Scorpio may indicate that you have a 12th house Scorpio Sun. I am wondering if -and my apologies if I am off track – do you have a connection with certain kinds of institutions? The 12th house is also compassion, forgiveness. I also consider things like ceding ‘control’ to something bigger than ourselves. Whether that control is relinquished consciously e.g. “I am in god’s… Read more »

12th House Virgo
12th House Virgo

I like what you said about 12th house Sun here. It does seem 12th house will require you to relinquish control, even if that means incarceration or insanity.

primechance
primechance

Nothing you can really say to this, eh? Not to be too blunt and too forward (Mars/Merc/Uranus led Capricorn Stellium, sorry) but I hope this hasn’t sucked all the juice out of life’s Lemon for ya. This Cap can only prescribe sex, booze, good company….oh, and starting a bigass fight, over anything at all, physical or verbal or hell even astral, good cause or bad. Nothing like getting angry as hell to make living seem sweet again. I say that as someone learning to reclaim their anger from repression, learning to stop being a ghost. Remember, guy, you’re no ghost.… Read more »

primechance
primechance

Not that I should be giving advice to a guy who died though. Can you keep checking in here, Colin my man?
I wanna hear about your further adventures, we all do!

Oh, and Saturn/NN is weird as fuck in synastry, idk about natal. I have mine on some dude’s NN, and I don’t even know him but he’s constantly in my fucking head. DNW.

Jessica McOmish
Jessica McOmish

I feel like the Saturn Return is a kind of death point and you come back stronger, less naive, more real.

Jessica McOmish
Jessica McOmish

P.s. Thank You for sharing this Colin.

NoFixedAddress
NoFixedAddress

Thanks for all your wonderful and insightful comments. MM and I had emails regarding this blog of DE, she encouraged me to write it, she also gave me some advice as well. Which has turned out to be very accurate. It feels like my spirit/conscious/awareness (insert own label here) has not caught up with my human form as of yet. It feels like I am not in tune or aligned with self. A regeneration (a la Dr.Who) is taking place. The old self, thoughts/ ideas/assumption/bad programming/ misconceptions etc. are still being re written. I feel the change. I have anxiety… Read more »

davidlMM Member
davidl

I agree, no need to seek it, it already found you. Relax and allow yourself to be led. So when the time comes, your actions and words will be free of personal intent and theorised agendas. Allow the new material to pass through you, not be of you. Not one human has ever or will ever be able to understand or comprehend the meaning of the life cycle. Not even one part of it. FFS you died and came back and you still have no idea. Surrender and accept that and you get the message. We are the feet of… Read more »

LiberatingVenus
LiberatingVenus

“Enjoy the things only earth life can bring while your still here. Don’t miss your opportunity to enjoy the physical by worrying about the meta physical.”

Beautiful reminder!

My girlfriend (see comment upstream) said pretty much the same thing to me in conversation one day. Then she summed it all up with THIS humdinger: “We get the pizza AND the penis!” LMAO! Feel free to substitute the word “pussy” for “penis” as you prefer.

12th House Virgo
12th House Virgo

“Death enters through the belly. Right through the gap of the will. That area is the most important and sensitive part of man. It is the area of the will and also the area through which all of us die.” Fuq yes. I could geek out on this. I have never read his work but have encountered other who have. I just feel like I have no need to read someone I already understand and agree with. The gut is amazing. “Now is the waiting and processing of all relevant information as to what my purpose is meant to be.”… Read more »

LiberatingVenus
LiberatingVenus

Oh dear gawd – he’s already on Carlos Castaneda…!

You’re gonna be just fine, buddy – I promise!

BTW, totally think your new handle on MM should be “Lazarus” – just sayin’!

davidlMM Member
davidl

Interesting your comment re: feeling like a quark or sub atomic particle. This ties in neatly with the concept of the 5th dimension being ‘inner space’, consciousness of being the basic fabric of the universe. We will eventually realize that our next upgrade of consciousness has nothing to do with either galactic or intergalactic matters but rather the sub atomic ones. This whole CERN / Higgs boson exploration is exactly where we will find the keys that open the door to 5th dimensional awareness.

WOOHOOMM Member
WOOHOO

Cooooooool story. Totes confirms everything I have been thinking about source and interconnectivity, etc.

A resurrection chart would be awesome. I reckon I’d be hunting down a good psychic medium too for some additional answers.

I sometimes wonder about birth charts my father was born twice. Poked his head out slightly, doctors recorded a time, decided he didn’t like it, popped back in until they they found some forceps and ripped him out, scratched a line through the first time and gave him a new one.

Libra9MM Member
Libra9

Welcome again Colin. I read this yesterday and have been pondering on it since. The reason(s) for your return may take some time to manifest. These things often do. What a brilliant launch into the new.

PorkchopMM Member
Porkchop

Welcome back, Colin!!!!!!

PorkchopMM Member
Porkchop

Maybe a bit on a tangent, but this year my beloved, beloved boy cat died and my mum died (crazy parents, not close to them). I think I had a visit from my cat and my mum the night of their passing. The day I had to put my boy to rest, that night I had a dream that he was racing around the house in a green cape. When I couldn’t see him, I could call him and he would appear. He was a bit scuffed up in my dream, but not affected by it. Before I woke up… Read more »

cosmic fleece
cosmic fleece

Have you read any Brian Weiss Colin? There is a story in one of his books of someone under hypnosis talking of when they were joined up as part of some kind of grid/net, its been a few years since i read, however the imagery formed felt like what the Aust. Aboriginal people call ”Songlines” like a big fishing net, he has come across a few of these people.. He’s in New Zealand at the mo, and on his way to Oz Melb. His books are economically priced on book depository dot co dot uk .. He’s a fascinating Scorp… Read more »

davidlMM Member
davidl

Hmmm, yes, sometimes known as grid engineers. I first came across this concept while living western face Mt.Warning. The local indigenous explained that the grid / songline passed through mt warning and headed towards Uluru. There was a problem though, transmissions were being modified and translated by the not so secret ‘Pine Gap’ facility, built right on a key node of the grid.
Grid engineers would gather at Mt warning and Uluru in attempts to mitigate the problem.

http://mobile.news.com.au/national/pine-gap-australia8217s-most-secretive-location/story-fncynjr2-1226687597135

Most grid engineers I met considered themselves either walk ins or Twines ( where 2 souls reside in one body).

Pi
Pi

Cultural origins or responses aside, could ley lines be considered an equivalent in (say) Euro or brit landscapes/?

davidlMM Member
davidl

Yes, though technically ley lines are the lines where the earths tectonic plates meet, the term is now used to describe the various indigenous terms like songlines, dragon lines etc.

cosmic fleeceMM Member
cosmic fleece

Wow David.
xx Thank you.

ScorpintheSky
ScorpintheSky

HO-LY SHI-IT. You came back for a reason alright,

Pi
Pi

hi Colin. Wow.
Maybe,
Saturn doesn’t let us stop until the work is done. So I guess your work is not done.
Heart attack at age 29. Wow. What was your condition before the attack? Healthy but family history? Extreme stress of some description?
Perhaps there is some fruitful analysis to be done there. Families and “hearts” having a complex and intergenerational relationship, sometimes.
Thank you for sharing this experience xx

Pi
Pi

The house of your Saturn and N node may also be revealing here.

sophie chironMM Member
sophie chiron

Hi Colin – I had a not dissimilar experience in July 2011. I didn’t quite die, although I wasn’t far off it and when I came out of two days in a coma, I almost died again. The monitors had been taken off, the nurse was nowhere to be found and I couldn’t breathe properly. I realised that I had about sixty seconds in which to make a decision to stay alive, because that was the only way I would live. The decision presented itself very clearly as whether or not I wanted to ‘step off the planet and go… Read more »

Jokerman
Jokerman

Saturn on your NN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AMayZing

Of course there is no validity to the astro

Mz Bee
Mz Bee

Hi Colin, My NDE was in 1981. I mostly remember the Light, a feeling of great Love and a Peace beyond my understanding. I was told I had to go back. When I looked down I saw a car smashed to pieces. Then experienced a gruelling re-entry to the body – certainly not something I ever want to go through again. At the time, there was only one book available to buy about all this ‘Life after Death’. However, now there are many thank goodness. I have recently read a new book by Roisin Fitzgerald called ‘Taking Heaven Lightly’. I… Read more »

catfish moon
catfish moon

Holy moly! amazing Colin! Welcome back and congratulations on your recovery progressing well.

I love that you emailed this!

Theresa Stolk
Theresa Stolk

No new chart. Our life begins when we enter the world in the form of a human body. You came back to the same body that you left. So I think you are still the same.

acquagal
acquagal

This is brilliant. His question and your answer. I love it!

Lux Interior Is My Co-PilotMM Member
Lux Interior Is My Co-Pilot

Welcome back you brave soul!

sphinx
sphinx

The new birth chart idea is very cool. It makes me wonder how deep this transformation of yours went that you are considering this.

Have you read anything on the concept of ‘walk-ins’? Sometimes the focal point of consciousness moves elsewhere and another takes it’s place.

I think a new chart is a totally valid idea in this circumstance.
I hope you can get the exact time of your ‘rebirth’ and report back how that chart would look!

12th House Virgo
12th House Virgo

“I believe it is the way, when we die, that our awesome conscious is all connected. We return to that valued source. The trouble is in this world, people have to block this out and travel down the complex road of human society with all the other non ‘seeing’ humans.” Yes. People have to block it out. And, unfortunately, making death meaningful is also a way to “block this out.” We are dead. We are living. We are “that valued source.” Sounds like nonsense. But, like Carl Jung said, “I don’t need belief. I have experience.” And so do you.… Read more »

12th House Virgo
12th House Virgo

Also, if you want to research or connect to ideas about it, I suggest some Adyashanti talks, which you can hear on youtube. Here’s a sample. I suggest starting around minute 30: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Gc5ErWv2TY

Pi
Pi

Omg. As I was reading your comment 12 V, I thought “I love being dead.”
As in, we’re already dead. I don’t know. I started thinking like this after doing a lot of thinking after a family member died a few yrs ago. anyway plenty of ppl here have more experience than me (Colin mainly indeed)

rachel
rachel

Amazing email! But also scaring me/hitting close to home as I head into Saturn return with major health problems 🙁 I hope your recovery continues to go well and that you find your new purpose or path with the new perspective

Cherry MoonMM Member
Cherry Moon

Welcome back Collin. It’s so nice to have someone come back for a change! 🙂 I hope you find the answers to your questions – and with Pluto on the case – I’m pretty sure you will. Though the main question, you already seem to have experienced the answer to, and that sounded pretty damned good to me. Blessed peace and calm from all the BS. Your story is very inspiring. Enjoy your second time round on this crazy plane(t).

Cherry MoonMM Member
Cherry Moon

oops, Colin, i meant.

Scorpio_RisingMM Member
Scorpio_Rising

Welcome back to the land of the living! Would love to hear any insights you have.

Miss MiaowMM Member
Miss Miaow

#scorprising

Miss MiaowMM Member
Miss Miaow

The phoenix awakes True to her tail

ChrysalisMM Member
Chrysalis

First – welcome back Colin 🙂
Second – holy fuq I think Colin deserves the candle, Mystic. Or a (second) lifetime subscription. Email of the decade imho.

sphinx
sphinx

Love this! Beautiful letter, so clearly written. The phoenix nature of Scorpio is really all about rebirth this month with the Sun shining through Scorpio’s eyes. It really resonates for other reasons I won’t go into. But, I have had a couple of epileptic fits that were very ..long. 10 mins one of them. I didn’t have witnesses to the last one I had, but I think I had two separate fits and actually got into bed between the two. That one was very important for me. I had no stress triggers (unless you count putting laundry away, lol) and… Read more »

cosmic fleeceMM Member
cosmic fleece

Sphinxy ,
What an resurfacing !
Glad you are ok hon, and rather than harm done it seems it was undone …
I have heard (the recently departed) Dr Wayne Dyer talk of Anita, and i almosted posted a link, however hadn’t read it myself, some summer reading me thinks.
Hope the little peeps are travelling well Hon.
xxx

sphinx
sphinx

Thank you dear star fleeced lady! Was looking at the Brian Weiss thing in Melbourne, I would have loved to go, but am away that weekend. 😉 The epilepsy is fine, it’s annoying that I have to buy exxy extreme drugs which I have a distaste for taking and also visit expensive & arrogant neurologists who ask invasive questions. But I drive, so.. You would like ‘Dying to Be Me’ I think, it is interesting on few levels! So much going on with my little ones, but I will save that for a later date. Hope you and yours are… Read more »

annica
annica

Fellow Libra Sun/Scorp Moon and violent warrior here, ….and WOW your story takes the prize for sure! Good to hear from another sane person that death was pretty cool.
I did survive death multiple times but I haven’t needed resuscitation yet. Both of the times Saturn was in Scorpio conjunct my moon almost exact.

So did you have a choice in coming back to this plane when the docs were trying to bring you back or was the decision not you? You don’t have to answer but I am intensely curious!

LiberatingVenus
LiberatingVenus

Holy shit, coolest email EVER!! Wow, amazing and thought-provoking story – thanks for sharing; it’s perfect for Scorpio season and Mercury in Scorp trine Neptune! I would say it depends whether on whether or not you *feel* you are a still the same person or if you feel you might instead be what they call (and brace yourself cause I’m goin’ full woo-woo here) a “Walk-In”. If it’s the latter, than by all means I say roll with a new chart. I’ve never had a legit NDE. The closest I’ve metaphorically come has been the Zap Zone and getting jolted… Read more »

LiliMM Member
Lili

LV -I had the same thought EXCEPT- I wondered if the walk-in was the pre death person who would not get the F out.

Have witnessed walk ins in various low Qi peeps- and the critically ill who adopt utterly different personae. It ain’t always the fever…

LiliMM Member
Lili

Sphinx, Maybe I read too much Dion Fortune in my 20s! LOL! Secrets of Dr. Taverner and so forth.

I don’t think we understand all the permutations of agreements between conscious entities. It is cool to know that some make agreements, but I think much is yet to be learned.

So grateful to Colin and the others who share their personal journeys out and back -and give us new perspectives!

sphinx
sphinx

Thankyou for the tip of the book Kell! I found a PDF of it and will endeavour to read it at some point. I was never much attracted to that era of spiritual exploration, not sure why, but maybe there are some gems I have overlooked.
And it’s true, energy flows in mysterious ways the permutations of which are infinite, so really one cannot generalise for one’s own comfort re the agreements of others.
I think I was just concerned for Colin and my own experiences lead me to see the comment differently!

LiliMM Member
Lili

Xx love learni g your perspectives, wise Sphinx!

sphinx
sphinx

Oh pardon me, I didn’t see you mentioned this idea of walk ins. And I do agree that such an event would be worthy of a new chart! Kell I am not thinking that a walk-in and a personality shift due to illness are the same. For lack of better language to talk about it, I would suggest that such an occurrence could be another aspect of the self or an energy parasite or another entity. A walk-in situation is more of an agreed upon situation that occurs for the benefit of all concerned and not an ‘invasion’. Can be… Read more »

LiberatingVenus
LiberatingVenus

No need to apologize, my darling – we’re just surfing the same wavelength together is all! 😉 Also, re: Initiations – Right?! This has to be *the* ultimate, ya? I have a very close friend who is a legit shaman trained in the South American tradition (Andean lineage) and she had a NDE in the form of a near-fatal car wreck where someone hit her head-on at a high rate of speed. But it was this experience that served to set her on her Path. She’s a Saturn conjunct Chiron girl…pain is her greatest teacher and what she has learned… Read more »

sphinx
sphinx

A beautiful person (on this blog!) just sent me some books on shamanism that I’m currently diving into. Chiron, for sure is a shaman, also he is an educator. Which i really like about Chiron, he really was teaching others to heal themselves. As the Egyptian proverb goes, “Not the greatest Master can go even one step for his disciple; in himself he must experience each stage of developing consciousness. Therefore he will know nothing for which he is not ripe”. So the word shaman is interesting, because it implies being ‘chosen’, or ‘ripe’, a better word I think. And… Read more »

baristagemMM Member
baristagem

Welcome back Colin! I read ‘Saved by the Light’ when I was 15, it’s about the man who was struck by lighting & died for about the same length of time. Anyway I thought it was fascinating. Some say his story controversial now but I think people are probably just afraid of this stuff. I think you should organise your own speaking tour & speak on what you said: ‘I believe it is the way, when we die, that our awesome conscious is all connected. We return to that valued source.The trouble is in this world, people have to block… Read more »

baristagemMM Member
baristagem

You could do a podcast called:

‘I died, but I’m back… so now fucking what?’

Iris AquacatMM Member
Iris Aquacat

^I LOVE this BG! ^

Domestic Triffid
Domestic Triffid

There’s a wonderful book called “Dying To Be Me” by Anita Moorjani where she had a very similar experience – and this is what she does – she gives talks about her experiences. This sort of first hand perspective on some of the great spiritual questions helps other people a lot…..

LiliMM Member
Lili

As a a fellow Libra-Scorp Rising- Feeling way less paranoid re- near misses and Wow that was CLOSE vehicle adventures! Are you perchance loaded with any Via Combusta planets- 15 Libra to 15 Scorp? And is Saturn Scorp, or Sadge? Inquiring minds want to pay our life insurance premiums- just in case. Seriously, it is an honor to read your tale of beyond and back!!! Re your chart- I would look at your Progressed and transit charts. Maybe the Saturn /NNode bit will flow now that you have busted through several dimensions. N node is our groups too- our soul… Read more »

cosmic fleece
cosmic fleece

Welcome Back Colin . xx

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