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Victor Brauner

This picture is perfect for this week!  We just need to photo-shop in Lilith. Or maybe she (the first wife of Adam) is stage right. Yes, it’s a Mars-Lilith/Venus-Uranus mash-up. There is a snake/apple in even the most walled of gardens. Plus, of course, the super-mutable Full Moon & Saturn/Neptune intensity.  Momentum. Saturn in Sagittarius says move but it has got to be a structured escape. This Full Moon generates options like nobody’s business. Relationships = weird but lucid.

 

Image: Victor Brauner – Adam and Eva

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sphinxMM Member
sphinx

Well fuq, I am calling this the Codeine Moon.. My natal Neptune is being conjoined by Saturn atm AS Neptune is squared by Saturn generally. My Neptune is in the 6th conjunct (thx ICP) Prometheus. And boy is he brining the fire. The sixth house being illness & what not, well I can’t sleep, Saturn is grinding my teeth, my bones are moth-eaten (as verified by x-rays) and Neptune’s floating joint system (who needs ligaments!!) is finally out of control! This full moon I am already crazed. However, past the constant low level pain, behind the veil, I do see… Read more »

davidlMM Member
davidl

Yeah I’ve been so listless and sleepy but not sleeping well at all.
When I’m wired and can’t sleep I’ve found an alternative to codeine is an anti histamine, one of the sleepy ones. Polaramine
Let’s hope next week energy levels get up and going again I really want to finish up some work and start my summer routine.. Beach.., eat… Sleep… Beach…

sphinxMM Member
sphinx

Good god Dr. Davidl (what does the ‘l’ stand for btw?),
you just sent me on a google crazed minute.
I am totally booking in with a rheumatologist even though I am often disappointed in Western Med.
The anti hist might work for me with what little I understand about the connective tissue. Thanks!

sphinxMM Member
sphinx

But curious as to why you take it? Not sleeping well a symptom of something else? I just wake up when my bones can’t stand knocking into each other anymore and my teeth are turned to dust..
I want a summer routine like yours!

davidlMM Member
davidl

It’s been hot here, and as I get older I seem to need less sleep. The wired thing ? Normally from missing out on my after dinner toke 😉 which settles me down relaxes my mind. Also family now moving into next phase of growth. This last week I’m all melancholy and restless because as teens they don’t need me so much any more other than cash and late night taxi service and realizing how much of my time and energy has gone into them the last 18 years. I’ve loved every minute of it and now I have all… Read more »

SleepfulInBrisvegasMM Member
SleepfulInBrisvegas

I remember wishing my son to be older when he was tiny – wishing he’d be that little bit more independent and now he’s on the cusp of going to highschool.. .and on the cusp of transitioning from home school back into mainstream school. And I wonder where my little boy went and realise I can’t get that time back. Feel terribly sad that a lot of his childhood has been spent with me as a workaholic or depressed. In some ways I wish I had my time again. Next year I’ll have time back but it comes at a… Read more »

davidlMM Member
davidl

I’ve spent every minute I could with them since they popped out. I left my job and started a biz from home so I could pick them up from school andjust be with them. I knew this time would come and I’ve been trying to slow the clock down to fully enjoy it. We are all very close and they are all turning out great. Now I have to work out how to rearrange my life and come to terms with this. It’s hard.

sphinxMM Member
sphinx

Aww. You are a good papa. I would find it really challenging. But I have been so intensively parenting, often with very little reward, that I am a bit burned out. The difficulty and beauty in raising an asd poppet is just huge.. esp when my mobility is poor and his is off the chart.
Have you thought of fostering?

davidlMM Member
davidl

I can’t even imagine how tough that is Andy. Fostering ? Nah, grandchildren 🙂

sphinxMM Member
sphinx

I know. I do think of it for the future for myself! Maybe there is just one out there. I don’t know, I can imagine you taking on something impossible. For mere mortals anyway.

davidlMM Member
davidl

I’m lucky though it’s a rare phase that I need anything to help me sleep. Remember to take the sleepy stuff with no pseudo ephedrine. Polaramine is good. I also suffer a bit of hay fever and that’s how I found out it also helps me sleep. 2mg is usually enough but 4mg when you want to really hit the sack.

sphinxMM Member
sphinx

Oh, ha! The interesting part about your recommendation is that I was researching Ehler-Danlos Syndrome, so I googled EDS & histamines and I came across this thing on Mast Cell Disease. Apparently the mast cells can release toxins throughout the body and hide in the gut, brain, bladder, etc. they can affect the production of CSF and cause autonomic dysfunction symptom, they cause serious GI issues, that mimic gluten intolerance, blah, blah, many symptoms I have, and coincidentally… treatment includes H1 and H2 histamine blockers.

See what you did?!! You are a natural.

aquasunrise
aquasunrise

Try epsom salts, essentail oils in the bath…magnesium intake through the skin. Soak for a while…it does help.

This is going to sound trite; make love if its an option, helps you sleep. Keep away from anything electrical, as in artificial, havoc for your own wiring.

Neptune transit / conjunct pisces sun friend is taking a bioceuticals sleeping product, of fairly reliable quality. Apparently it does knock people out; I am using chinese medicine, acupuncture. I don’t know why but swimming always worked wonders too.

If no supplement, tisane, herbal teas, vervain, lemon balm, actual loose camomille flowers (real, no pesticide).

sphinxMM Member
sphinx

Thank you aquasunrise, this is great advice! I will check out what I can do. Swimming and sex are two things I can still do. Though I was told not to do laps in the gene pool again, lol.

SleepfulInBrisvegasMM Member
SleepfulInBrisvegas

I have the same action but it’s occuring in my 9th house (Saturn transit Neptune-Mercury) and I had the most appalling sleep last night. Though discussion with former Piscean lover at midnight (because, couldn’t sleep) basically illuminated that whatever it was between us (almost a 30 year crush!) is now over. One bubble popped… Sad to think that energy is gone. Waking to bones rattling against each other is not good. I’ve been taking valerian to help me get to sleep but it’s not very good at keeping me asleep. I hope the pain relieves soon. My dentist showed me… Read more »

sphinxMM Member
sphinx

Thx. I will def look into the laser thing! I feel like my problem is an energetic one at base, but I see no reason not to treat it the best I can until I can get to the core of it, because pain…

Sorry to hear of Piscean dude, sometimes we grow and that growth is uncomfortable? You won’t miss that bubble.

Neptune is transiting my 9th.. I hope that will be good for me as my Jupiter is there! Let me know how it manifests for you!

SleepfulInBrisvegasMM Member
SleepfulInBrisvegas

I can totally appreciate the search for an energetic answer. Western Medicine does nothing for me. I’m always look for a fundamental holistic cause. And funny that we should be talking about this when the astrological medicinal hack comes through!

With everything that’s been going on here these last three months I am in awe at the way my body has held up.

Hoping your feeling less in the need of the embrace of Mz Codeine.

sphinxMM Member
sphinx

Yes! Hope you are feeling good as it sound like you are in they eye of a storm too?! Thx.

Veronica
Veronica

Sphinx, do you use diatomaceous earth on yourself?
I seem to recall you mentioning it in one of your posts a while back…

This year have had some intense bouts of sciatica for the first time, and general joint pain which was freaking me out!
Last winter I had two excruciating days where the Leo actually had to help me sit up in bed and walk me to the loo :/

I have swelling joints which seem to puff up worse before my increasingly rare periods. The Diatomaceous seems to help

sphinxMM Member
sphinx

Good lord V, that sounds really bad.
I feel guilty complaining now! My problem is relentless, but it hasn’t swung off the graph like that. I was using diatomaceous earth, but I am not atm. I will look into.

Really appreciate the helpful comments!

AKAPlutoMM Member
AKAPluto

I’ve been such a heinous bitch this week. Thankfully, there is no man in my life pissing me off for once. The Saturn/Neptune square is overriding most of that stuff.

aquaplumeMM Member
aquaplume

Venus/Lilith transiting my first, opp. Uranus in my 7th. Mars about to cross into my first (on my ASC on Friday). Uranus squaring my natal Venus in Cap. Saturn/Neptune shizz…

I feel numb inside. And my Aqua sun keeps telling me that as long as I have friends and intellectual stimulation, I don’t need a partner. I’m afraid that I’ll never be able to open up, give myself, and love again.

gemyogi
gemyogi

We don’t actually ‘need’ a partner, like food, oxygen etc, but it’s ok to ‘want’ one, as in, it would be nice to have — as long as they enhance my life and respect me!

The LZ delusion is thinking you ‘need’ another person to be ‘complete’ or ‘happy’…

Puce_duck
Puce_duck

In the past when faced with a triangle I have always been dumped by someone for someone else. It would be nice universe to get to play the winner role for once. To experience life as an Angelina and not a Jennifer. The only good thing is right now I have nothing to lose as this triangle is not like the past ones where I am in the steady relationship and along comes homewrecker. You can’t lose a relationship you don’t technically have.

Scorpio_RisingMM Member
Scorpio_Rising

If Brad dumped Jennifer for Angie then she could be next. People like to repeat patterns. Bad karma…I hate triangles I just walk away, no RUN away!

gemyogi
gemyogi

Pd, you just answered your own dilemma — you can’t lose a relationship you don’t technically have. The ‘winner’ may not have technically won, you might have dodged a bullet by technically being the ‘loser’!!
Triangles suck, but love/relationship isn’t a competition — or shouldn’t be viewed as such.

aquasunrise
aquasunrise

I have a different philosophy; triangles always exist. Intimacy is always there; even if you choose to be non commital. No one ever knows what’s inside or the source of the dynamic; it shifts, to me is an entity of its own. To survive we keep changing, we are multi-dimensional, honest with our self, intention. You decide what supports the integrity in you, others, to work out where to go.

SleepfulInBrisvegasMM Member
SleepfulInBrisvegas

What if a triangle meant more for everyone and no one had to lose out?

ElectroMM Member
Electro

That pic is so funny. Venus is on my NN, Uranus on my SN, and the moon is currently crossing my Chiron descendant. Well, isn’t that fun. I wish I could say I knew what that means but all I got is a bare hands lunch (as in eating lunch with our bare hands) with my work buddy/crush/Magic Sagg man. That and wondering why I married a man who is a perpetual teenager. He’s intelligent, handsome, and magic in his own right, but damn some shizz gets old.

SleepfulInBrisvegasMM Member
SleepfulInBrisvegas

I still think Eve has a Lilith vibe going on in that pic. Enjoy your bare hand lunch. I don’t think I’ll ever look at a sandwich the same way again.

ICPluto
ICPluto

Yes, I too think that Eve has something “lilithian” going on. Perhaps Lilith never left Paradise, and it was all a Neptunian joke on Adam! 🙂

Electro, hang in there! That 12th/6th house nodal action is tough/rough!

I’m feeling like a pinball machine since all these guys got into Libra, and started activating my t-square like crazy! I am looking at Saturn- going to the dentist NOW! xx

AnkhRising8.0
AnkhRising8.0

Lilith as shape shifter? Woman-snake-apple & back again? Thank Neptune for the boundary-blurring win 😉

ICPluto
ICPluto

oh Ankh, that would be the ultimate awesomeness! Woman-snake-apple eternal cycle of renewal. “You think you got me? Think again!” 🙂

AnkhRising8.0
AnkhRising8.0

Flesh-knowledge-sustenance, repeat!

ElectroMM Member
Electro

Yes! I was born in the year of the snake. Ssssssss…

SleepfulInBrisvegasMM Member
SleepfulInBrisvegas

Sits on the sidelines and applauds!

ElectroMM Member
Electro

I also have Mars Lilith on my Pluto. That and your t-square activation (oh my, I know what that’s like!) makes a true transit party! Get out your party hats and noisemakers.

Oh no, who invited Saturn?

SleepfulInBrisvegasMM Member
SleepfulInBrisvegas

Yes – I’ve got the exact same placement with Mars and Lilith. Perhaps Pluto is the tree they’re sitting kissing in (fighting in?)

I think Saturn went to bed early – I think we can sneak out now. Neptune will open the bar. What could possibly go wrong?

ElectroMM Member
Electro

We can trust Neptune to pour us drinks. *snicker*

SleepfulInBrisvegasMM Member
SleepfulInBrisvegas

I was at the dentist yesterday also! Was told that had I left it longer I could possibly have lost all three teeth – I belong to the generation of epic enamel and therefore outwardly the teeth look fine and are being rotted from the inside by a tiny imperceptible hole.

Yay, Mystic. Thanks for the heads up.

And yes – totally a Neptunian joke on Adam – who has just realised, when Eve kisses him for the first time, that it’s Lilith in a different skin.

AnkhRising8.0
AnkhRising8.0

“Bare hand lunch” sounds pretty steamy, electro… Is that a euphemism I’m not hip to, or do you mean literally?

ElectroMM Member
Electro

It’s literal but in a steamy kind of way. We like to go out for Peruvian chicken, share a plate, and eat with our hands. It’s not food porn material, but it is primal and hot.

ElectroMM Member
Electro

Oh and Ankh, I’m pretty sure he is a Pisces rising. I don’t know his birth time but I think I nailed him down to a Pisces rising with Ceres and Jupiter in the first house. He def has sparkly eyes.

SleepfulInBrisvegasMM Member
SleepfulInBrisvegas

Bare handed hot Peruvian chicken. *swoon*

dizzarinaMM Member
dizzarina

Weird… I realized on Saturday that I’ve finally reached a place where I do not long for a relationship- have little interest at all right now. It was one of the weeping dumpees I mentioned in another thread- listening to his tale of woe, will I always be alone, etc.- and all I could think was “blah blah fuqing blah”. (Mean, mean Aries/Scorpio moon) But seriously… I”ve been him so many times before, and now I am just utterly bored by the whole idea… and I’m not even worried about how blasé I am. Happy about it, actually. But then… Read more »

AKAPlutoMM Member
AKAPluto

Ha, I’m on the same anti-pathetic kick. I’ve been the weepy dumpee for years. Then I got through my head what a bad look that is. EW. I’m still processing the regret feelings I have over the “one that got away” but I also feel like it’s all going to make sense at some point…

sphinxMM Member
sphinx

I must watch more ‘Ragnar’. (It needn’t be called Vikings, really, Ragnar or Ragnar Furry Pants will do).
I think Ragnar could raise the dead.

SleepfulInBrisvegasMM Member
SleepfulInBrisvegas

Mars-Lilith is on my Pluto conjunct descendant. Absent lover pops head up this arvo to say he still likes me (in the silence I revert to – he hates me, he’s going to stop seeing me, we’ll never kiss -much less have sex-again, his girlfriend has said its her or me and he’s picked her, why the hell do I do this?) and he will speak to me tomorrow. I think this is possibly the week where everything explodes itself into clarity. I bloody hope so. Or maybe it’s the week I explode?! I’ve already taken the glass out with… Read more »

ICPluto
ICPluto

Sleepless, I’ve become a pro in Lilth meltdowns in my current relationship. The silence kills me, my monkey mind gets into that constant loop of doubt and fear. But I made a promise to myself I won’t go down that route again. If I blow up, I’m the only one left to put my pieces back together. Double torture, like digging your own hole. The relief that comes from releasing steam is not worth the energy one has to summon to pull oneself back up again. If your lover wants somebody to get angry with him, tell him to go… Read more »

SleepfulInBrisvegasMM Member
SleepfulInBrisvegas

Oh ICP… putting the pieces back together again. Tell me about it. Do you know how many pieces of freakin’ glass I have stepped on since smashing that pane on Saturday? (Smashing the pain – hmmmm??!!) And not only that, Gemini son had a bit embedded in his foot that I managed to finally get out today after it being in there for two days. I’ve got Pluto on my natal Lilith/Ceres and there’s Lilith/Mars on my natal pluto/descendent. It feels like one very fierce summer storm, brewing and brewing and brewing. And no – I won’t get angry at… Read more »

SleepfulInBrisvegasMM Member
SleepfulInBrisvegas

You may appreciate this ICP – from ‘Clade’ by James Bradley (just last week I said that trying to get word out of the Libran Lover was sometimes like trying to get a signal from space!) …And as he speaks he suddenly understands. They have been worrying about what the signal says, what it means, but that’s not the point. Whoever they are, whatever they are, they have not chosen the language of numbers or mathematics, they have chosen words, and not in order to be understood, but merely to speak. Noah thinks they must be beings who are aware… Read more »

Lux Interior Is My Co-PilotMM Member
Lux Interior Is My Co-Pilot

I’m so detached this week it ain’t funny–like commitment is lovely, but I’m literally bullet-proof–immune to being hurt—-as in who gives a crap if I’m left or cheated on? I really don’t give a shit—that’s the independent Lilith vibe that is working for me. And I’ve never felt like this before. I’ve always been so…needy, but that’s gone now. Crazy. Must be my progressed moon in Aqua or something.

Baristagem
Baristagem

Lux! I have been meaning to tell you I love your comments, you always bring the zing! Love it!

lux interior is my co-pilot
lux interior is my co-pilot

🙂

catfish moon
catfish moon

Me almost! LOL…..

I resonated with this when I first read it and even more so now.
Last week I emotionally wrecked tweeked out. Ok. Then mellowed.

Tonight, Torro and I misbehaved. He is gone. I am sad, but um, not really, and not like I normally would be. I am tired.

For me, I am just so tired.

aquasunrise
aquasunrise

Lillith looks happily sexually proficient…the only virgin like quality here is lovely fervour, discovery… Adam looks terrified Lol, maybe he should be. I have all this Libra action 1st house, all the aries, including last nights fantastic aries moon conjunct uranus 8th…Then there is uranus now 8th almost conjunct my north node, exactly square venus 5th, which is about to be conjunct transiting pluto…And jupiter is almost conjunct my natal pluto, almost opposite natal pisces mars 7th… Read a therapists idea that we can come into sex believing in the present experience of making love we will somehow be fulfilled,… Read more »

aquasunrise
aquasunrise

Lol Eve is Lillith, Lillith Eve…

SleepfulInBrisvegasMM Member
SleepfulInBrisvegas

I am intrigued by all of this!!

aquasunrise
aquasunrise

Its about (painfully) ending a potentially disastrous “karmic” short term life altering liasion (recent libra south node, saturn in scorpio) while being mutually married long term insufferably (pluto), visiting an alternative shamanic person to “fix” the energy, heal, teach self love (who uses “intent” to solve all), then the marriage somehow ends up becoming illicit, (neptune influenced), the other or 3rd element stabilises, providing some sort of clearer picture via honesty, (saturn) higher spiritual ideas…map to exit or review.

aquasunrise
aquasunrise

Uranus aries, insights of expression through individuality, creativity of the self.

SleepfulInBrisvegasMM Member
SleepfulInBrisvegas

I hope the way forward, the map, becomes clear for you. Neither exit nor review/repair are simple, easy or fluffy options. XX

SleepfulInBrisvegasMM Member
SleepfulInBrisvegas

Thank you so much for sharing. On the Virgo Eclipse in September I met face-to-face with a guy I’d met during Venus Rx in Leo. In the month or so between we’d written (and as it turned out, courted) via postcard. At the end of the evening it was clear there was a fierce attraction between the two of us. He was seeing someone, I’m in a 13 year relationship (that I’d been considering for a long time, asking to open) For me, having an affair was absolutely out of the question. (Vesta conjunct Pluto on my Descendent in Libra!)… Read more »

aquasunrise
aquasunrise

Yes I chose to be open too. Jupiter 12th, on the ascendant, and jupiter mostly rules my 3rd house (scorpio is there too but it is mostly in beneficial aspects, to pluto, mars, chiron, uranus). Actually I think I’d rather sacrifice, invite upheaval than suffer anything clandestine or closed, (uranus is opposite mars, chiron. 7th). Everyone has an inkling of their limit. OK so there is no way to control anything really, but its possible to say no, and negotiate…this is always occurring at many levels anyway…So far all concerned have their egos intact, relatively speaking. My long term partner… Read more »

Puce_duck
Puce_duck

I am not a fan of affairs but I have heard that the french have them all the time, almost expected to to be normal. I don’t know if their partnerships are ruined. They seem OK.

AnkhRising8.0
AnkhRising8.0

But in the interest of being on-point & astute, yes, The Astro. I have a new wool hat with a Mohawk on it & I’m loving it (Pisces asc). Appropriate gear for this mutable weather. I wore it today to one of the top hospitals in the country & in it, strong-armed my spine (Saturn) specialist vis-a-vis The Sparkly Eye Technique (aka The Psycho Side-Eye). Victorious 😉

PiMM Member
Pi

Oh wow. Love to hear of your sparkly eye technique? In my case that technique is confined to rediscovering my fave glitter liquid eyeliner in my makeup stash, post-move. *blingk*

AnkhRising8.0
AnkhRising8.0

In her Style Your Asc: Pisces Rising post, Mystic mentioned goo goo eyes as one of our key weapons/accessories; I posted Sparkly Eye video toward the end of the comments
https://mysticmedusa.com/2015/11/style-your-ascendant-pisces-rising/
🙂 x

ElectroMM Member
Electro

I missed that the first time, thanks for reposting! What a gem.

AnkhRising8.0
AnkhRising8.0

Glitter liquid eyeliner? Holy shiz, Pi: I’d be too afraid to paint so many little metal flakes around my squishy orbs! You’re hardcore, woman!

louMM Member
lou

I do glitter eyeliner, too. I’m also another pisces rising. I have pisces moon also.

AnkhRising8.0
AnkhRising8.0

Maybe that is Lilith? Cuz it looks like she just touched Adam for the very 1st time…. Like a virgin, hee…

AnkhRising8.0
AnkhRising8.0

for *his* very 1st time. Aw forget it.

PiMM Member
Pi

Yes she looks decidedly chill, and he is like “omg wut”

AnkhRising8.0
AnkhRising8.0

lol yes! Thanks, Pi.

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