Ask Mystic: Has Saturn Killed My Vibe?

Rune Fisker

Dear Mystic.

As a clambering Cap rising I’ve been chasing down the career/creative dream for as long as I can remember.
I always did the work, made sure things got done on time, got back to people and somehow found ideas with merit.

As cliche as it sounds, everything in my life til now has been culminating in this one mega project that has taken me an embarrassingly long time to finish – it’s at the stage where my friends don’t even ask me about it anymore, but I’m SO close to being done – weeks away – and for the first time in my life, I’m actually truly proud of myself. I almost can’t believe it.

The problem is, since mid April, when the final stages of my work started to finish, this strange kind of lethargy has just taken me over.
I’m not talking about a few days off or general project burnout.
I’m talking about MONTHS now, of feeling like I can’t be bothered.
I’m so happy with what I’ve made, but I just …can’t be bothered showing anyone.

And it’s not JUST this project, but with my industry (music), with creativity in general, with friends and being social, with new work opportunities, with the world at large – I SHOULD be gearing up, assembling a team etc etc etc, except now when it really counts – I just… can’t …be… bothered.

I’ve Replaced my career with detox tea and home renovating. I have a sudden new collection of kettle bells.
My social life has been replaced with a vitamix and the 30 day squat challenge. I stream the “bodyfit by amy” channel on youtube while I assemble white furniture and clean the house.
Nothing and nobody can get me out past 7pm.
I’m just about to finish the biggest project of my life and my inbox traffic has slowed almost exclusively to daily mystics and recepits from the apple store. I don’t get back to people. I can’t even explain it. It’s like my concept of time has elongated to slow motion. Who t-f is this person? and when is this going to end?

I thought Saturn was work work work hustle go… but instead I’ve just got a sore shoulder and the sudden ability to ignore everyone.
I have Saturn going through the 12th house, opposite Moon and Mars (in Taurus) For added effect my progressed moon is currently on my natal Saturn.  My natal Saturn is on my North Node.
Don’t invite me to your parties.
I’m hoping Jupiter can save me from myself. But can it?
Somebody free me from these self flagellating squat shackles.

Straight-faced Gem / aka Buns of Saturn

 Dear Straight Faced Gem aka Buns Of Saturn,

I hate to say it but this is textbook Saturn. Firstly, fantastic creative work does not actually – in general – come from schmoozing around industry parties and being the most popular artiste in your circle. Nooooo. So many successful creators are introverts. Read Quiet by Susan Cain for more insight into this – it is an amazing book. Introverts are not “shy” as such – they just recharge by seclusion. Whereas extroverts recharge by mixing it up, parties etc.  Most creatives are introverts and you have just completed this massive project. You are recharging in your fortress of solitude. And because you’re so hard-core Saturn, you are recharging via kettlebells and home perfection projects, rather than Blue Devil Hoochie Juice & junk food. GO YOU!

Saturn is your Ruler, Saturn is on your North Node (destiny) natally AND you are having a Saturn-Moon/Mars transit. This is an ideal time to slow down, work on that squat technique and have the guts to do what truly nourishes you. Saturn in the 12th IS a classic seclusion transit, as is Saturn-Moon. These are transits that can have you happily in bed by 9pm, reading self-dev or health guides on your kindle, face plastered in nurturing serum, bills paid, scheduled up to the wazoo, nursing massive schemes and completely ignoring invites on your phone that (pre-Saturn) would have been insanely enticing.

You’re turning pro. One day you will look back on this and it will be like the training montage scene in a chump to champ or zero to hero movie.  I think add some nettles to your salads for the full Saturn experience. Also, when you emerge triumphantly to accept accolades for your BIG WORK,  you will look AMAZING and you can just put it all down to “meditation.”  But seriously, leaving Saturn aside, you have done this huge project, really tried to reach for a next level and it’s normal to want to rest, put back into you for a while.

Come Saturn back into Saggo in September – that is, off from opposing your Moon/Mars and you will be feisty as fuq. There will be a smell of sulphur, ozone and plutonium when you walk in the room, lightning bolts will zing off your footsteps, your ideas flow will so cool, you’ll keep yourself awake at night cackling. You will juggle kettle-bells and have people starting instagrams devoted to your buns of Saturn. This could even be some sort of eerie Saturnine boot camp prep for FAME.

So no, Saturn has not killed your vibe – Saturn is HONING YOUR VIBE.

What does everyone else think?

 

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ÁNLEIFRMM Member
ÁNLEIFR

This is happening to me right now. I’m a Cap Rising and I have Saturn transiting my 12th house right now AND conjunct my natal Mars until Dec. 22nd. I actually started working out about a month ago for the first time in probably 15 years, and because of said working out I now want abs of steel so my diet is starting to change along with taking healthy vitamins and supplements. The weird thing is, sexual performance issues are what sparked the working out and supplements in the first place and I just learned that the sexual performance issues… Read more »

GemricornMM Member
Gemricorn

“you’ll keep yourself awake at night cackling. You will juggle kettle-bells and have people starting instagrams devoted to your buns of Saturn.” hahahaha

ChrysalisMM Member
Chrysalis

Thanks Mystic and Gem-Buns-of-Saturn… this has helped me understand my own Saturn stuff. Mine is all 7th house related. Saturn currently transiting my 4th for what seems like a lifetime, squaring my Pisces sun-Saturn conjunction. I’ve been experiencing major boundary fuqery from a range of peeps including long-standing friends. Am currently undertaking major forensic cost-benefit analysis of all my relationships and consequently I’ve been alone by choice a lot more often. This has bothered me a little, but now I see my task is to make peace with myself. Once and for all I have to up the self-care and… Read more »

catfish moon
catfish moon

My dog got ran over. By miracle she survived. She is very hurt though. Praying, praying, praying. By sweet baby moondancer.

Saturn conjunct my north node. Saturn conjunct my IC.
caregiving like crazy lately. Overwhelmed.

ChrysalisMM Member
Chrysalis

Ohh sorry to hear this… poor little mite. You have had a rough time of it lately… how is your Pisces boy? I hope there is space and time for you to take care of yourself in amongst all the caring for others xx

Holiday
Holiday

oh no. How’s your girl doing today? That’s a horrible thing to go through. Mighty prayers to you and your baby.

catfish moon
catfish moon

The boy is improving…..two surgeries, bedrest, now can start basic movements for physical therapy, but is anxious and reluctant to get on board.

Now our sweetest dog ever to live, is still in vet over 2 hours away, unable to even stand. Praying there is no permanent nerve damage.

I am so angry, overwhelmed, depressed. We live an hour from the school and sports start tomorrow.

I lay around alot when not busy.

Scorpio_RisingMM Member
Scorpio_Rising

sending love and healing vibes to your dog. <3

Rache(Aqua/Tauri)
Rache(Aqua/Tauri)

I feel sort of similarly creatively/intellectually zonked.. I’m all obsessed about upping health and hotness and money and have lost a lot of my artist/idea generation/reseach passion… following also losing my capacity for serious upper-case FUN over the last 2 years. I’m going to serve on a vipassana next week (making food for the group, meditating just 3 hours instead of 10 per day, reading and writing in the free time and just generally getting centered) and then after that my Soylent experiment starts and I’ve booked some pilates sessions, orthodontist consults, online courses/certifications for IT stuff. I was thinking… Read more »

prowlncrab
prowlncrab

Yeowzers … this is a bit spookily accurate. Although I have not got the same Saturn transits going down as Buns of Saturn Gem, I do have Saturn squatting on my natal Jupiter-Neptune conjunction in the 6th house. I basically haven’t wanted to talk to anyone outside of work. Or socialise in any way. Haven’t commented here in ages, can hardly be bothered to answer the phone. Actually go out for a social event?? You’ve got to be fucking kidding me … no thanks I have work to do, zzz’s to catch up on, quinoa to cook. Even Facebook feels… Read more »

AnkhRising8.0
AnkhRising8.0

Wow– just thought of you, like, this morning.

So you’ve been phoenixing. Love it 🙂

supakaliMM Member
supakali

hello stranger! 😉

flowerchild
flowerchild

I have Saturn transiting my 5th, still, and conjunct my Neptune at 26 Scorp, and square my Mercury at 29 Aqua. Perhaps bringing clarity to my usual unclear thinking? I know it has dialed down my usual paranoia and tendency to make up all kinds of scenarios in my head that aren’t true and have a negative bent and just serve to upset myself…. What I’m hoping for today is that Saturn will bring me clarity of mind enough to write a great resume as I need a new job badly and I want to be able to write something… Read more »

hermesloveMM Member
hermeslove

Yes I am there sleep and mediation is the Vitamin Elixer . Mystic love you! Thank you for helping us keep it together .

Saoirse KirkeMM Member
Saoirse Kirke

oooh hermes loves freya is my pinterest name.

Holiday
Holiday

(raises hand) Yeah, big “what’s the fucking point” phase here too. Some big achievements but it doesn’t feel like it and there’s so much more to go and it seems pointless to me. Game over. Now if it was strictly Saturn, would there still be energy to exercise? Because if I was able to keep up with a 30 day squat challenge I would consider that hugely achieving. I barely flail my arms enough to hear the death crackle of my aging joints and I’m back on the couch watching Ancient Aliens. Just enough energy to hate myself for it.… Read more »

vikingwoman
vikingwoman

This email and mystic ‘ s response was so apropos for me now. I, too, have a massive product/project launch that was stalled for several reasons most of which was my own fear. Since Saturn in my 10th started, my aging mother’s needs were up staging my own and my project’s needs. Yes a bit of that was a great big excuse to avoid success with my own project but also learning how to accept my own Authority as my own boss. I’m a cap rising too…natal Saturn in Pisces…transiting Neptune approaching a conjunction with natal Saturn…in my 2nd house.… Read more »

Pi
Pi

Sounds more piscean than Saturn. You know, being hard to get hold of, feeling indifferent about timelines, etc. What’s Neptune doing in your chart? But I guess the kettle bells and eschewing pointless frivolity is v Saturn.

Pi
Pi

Piscean// 12th house

AnkhRising8.0
AnkhRising8.0

Yes to all that Mystic’s said! I think you’re doing Saturn all right, Straight Faced 😉

Also, where’s trans Pluto (& its aspects) for you? I know when I’m feeling particularly Plutonic, I strongly feel like I can’t be bothered with what suddenly appears to be extraneous biz; actually, “can’t be bothered” is exactly how I describe it. And exactly how I behave at those times.

Electro
Electro

Ah, Saturn. I seem to forget the time-lord part of him, so this post is a great illustration. My natal Saturn is on my MC, and he’s been transiting my first house – headed for my moon Neptune next. I already feel like I am gearing up in a similar fashion. Cutting back on the social life, reading a lot, starting to brew my own kombucha, and playing basketball and trail running in my backyard. When I get a text, I’m relieved that it’s for a fabrics sale rather than a social invitation. Sometimes my Leo feels a bit down… Read more »

Virgo kathleen
Virgo kathleen

In addition to Mystic’s insights, this also sounds like an Upper Limit Problem to me. That is, when you have a taste of success you back down – some people react by getting depressed even, or just going into seclusion mode like you are. You have worked so hard – you should feel happy but instead you’re feeling fear. After I won some (minor, student) awards for my work I went into hiding, could not do anything work related…this can be due to the lizard brain which doesn’t want to stand out in any way. So the first step in… Read more »

Virgo kathleen
Virgo kathleen

Oh and you can read more about the lizard brain in Steven Pressfield’s The War of Art which is the more Saturnine book I know.

virgo kathleen
virgo kathleen

*most

Pi
Pi

Upper limit problem. War of art book. Thank you VK

Virgo kathleen
Virgo kathleen

You’re welcome!

dizzarina
dizzarina

GREAT book, for artists of all stripes and anyone who wants to accomplish things but feel stuck.

Scorpio_RisingMM Member
Scorpio_Rising

good advice

supakaliMM Member
supakali

i think I agree with you VK, it’s a fear thing, but Saturn Buns’ smart mind is playing good tricks and convincing her she has other worthy things to do.

Saturn Buns – finish that project! (get therapy of you have to)

embarkons7MM Member
embarkons7

Totally agree with this perspective. And I also wonder to what extent doubt and lacking motivation, narrower sights, can be the dark side of Saturn — e.g. it’s not a training camp, if you’re not careful your flame can be weakened by it, &c.

ChrysalisMM Member
Chrysalis

Thanks for this insight VK! I’ve just googled Upper Limit Problem and it makes so much sense to me – I can immediately identify many examples in my own life over recent years.

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

Does anyone know how I can figure out the date my moon will progress into Leo? I’d like to have something to look forward to, the way people plan holidays. That way I can do the Moon in Cancer, 8th house stuff (and btw I don’t mind the 8th house at all its just the feeling clingy, scared and sad that’s wearing me out.) I’m ok with doing the emotional graft. I’m ok with Saturn on Neptune and then on my moon. I’m even ok with all this Chiron square moon ouch action. I can do ancient Chinese torture as… Read more »

dizzarina
dizzarina

I *think* that the moon progresses one degree per year, more or less. So it spends about 29-30 years per sign (when it does the whole sign).

What degree is your prog moon at now? Count out the remaining degrees of the sign, count out the years, and start pulling charts for those years to see when exactly that happens.

Sorry if this is bad news…

dizzarina
dizzarina

oh shoot- I was thinking of the progressed Sun. Whew!

dizzarina
dizzarina

OK- progressed moon moves appx 12 degrees per year, passing through each sign for about 2 1/2 years.

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

Haha
Thanks DM.
Wow that was scary. I will look when it went into Cancer (feels like a decade ago lol ) and calculate from there. This made me smile tho. X

aquasunrise
aquasunrise

Yes, I heard similar with regard to duration…I suspect mine progressed is virgo, of all things, with a virgo stellium, its intensified…

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

September sometime is when my moon begins to progress into Leo. I’m so delighted to anticipate some fiery Leo moon action. Especially because my Venus is in Leo in the 8th too.
I’m no math major or astro geek, yet but I’m thinking that means my prog moon with be conjunct my natal venus for a while. I can’t see anything wrong with that..
I’m diving deep into my feeeeeeeeeeelings for August.
Do your worst Kataka moon, the end is in sight!

Jokerman
Jokerman

MM reckons my Moon is going to Pisces in 4mths and this will trine my already super sensitive Kat Asc and Nep in Scorp in a GWT.
Fuq! I am already super sensitive. Water planets in Water houses in Water signs. I don’t need to get in touch with my feminine side. Already there!

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

Holy shit. This could literally be me talking. Besides the detox tea. even the sore shoulder. what is with that? I’m also having Saturn in the 12th atm, on my Neptune and (feelble sounding) yaaay my Moon is next. Chiron is also squaring my Moon for the foreseeable future (like eons) so it’s feeble sounding yays all around. I am so fuqing sick of this progressed Moon in Cancer in the 8th house. I realise that some people have this placement natally and these people have my undying respect but seriously. Phew. Every day, and I wish I was kidding,… Read more »

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

Oh and since I’m complaining, can I just add (I’ve said this here before but I’m nothing if not repetitive) that my progressed moon is also at the exact degree practically as my South Node. Whilst I recognise that yes, it’s a great opportunity for transformation and BELIEVE ME I am working on it, I just get so tired… Yeah, ok I’ll shut up now but wow, that email is my LIFE..I feel you Gem, really..xxx

aquasunrise
aquasunrise

Hey, as a cancer moon person permanently (10th) you have my condolscences, best wishes for your saturn transit too…12th house, rest nourishment, inner private retreat and sanctuary…’

Actually (epiphany here) if 8th house is of resources then women close to you (I know I have already mentioned legacy, strengths of a mother’s love, resourcefulness, our inner mothering) this will inadvertently help in times hopefully when you wish, perhaps if you feel cynical surprisingly…remember compassion, endearment…

Think the person who has completely uprooted my life, rededined love from need or control, shaken my psyche is cancer uranus coincidentally…

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

Thanks Aqua. I have nothing against “moon in cancer” par se. I know that for instance, the moon is exhaled in cancer and I know some AMAZING canceruans and oddly guys with strong cancerian placements. It’s just SUCH a massive learning curve for me. I have never really figured out how to “do” feelings. Like just feel them but I’m learning. People help so much. Often just leaving my flat even if it’s the last thing I feel like doing which it always is, helps massively. I have the worst kind of outsider syndrome lately. Staying shut in and skulking… Read more »

aquasunrise
aquasunrise

I only started the internal martial arts this year, to force all the introspection outward (channelled with some sort of dignity, discipline constructively) not so much for fitness or connectedness, but these have been unexpected benefits, when I couldn’t cope with ageing physically, even though many assume, would say I’m in good condition, it means little in times of emtional crisis or great change…uranus return is very hard, I have that sort of going on with uranus squaring venus, south node libra (2nd) so marriage, love, sex all of it up for disection, metamorphosis…irrelevant to what we think we have… Read more »

Pi
Pi

“It’s like being stuck in a swamp of fear, anxiety and clingy goo” Ok, no. Stop. Stop right now young lady. You’ve recognised it so you can now work with it. This is power-sensitivity and the ability to go massively deep in your emotional perceptions and negotiations of shared emotional resources. Maybe. How much do you care, how much are you taking on, nurturing, too much or not enough? Define ‘enough’ for yourself as an experiment; relationships with food, women, nourishment. Debt/nutrition/food supplies/ food as erotica? Hehe. You’ll be fine Your posts lately have been more emo/expressing vulnerability, it’s not… Read more »

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

Aye Pi You speak truth (Just for a change ?) Indeed. And it being ON my South Node is actually a blessing too. It’s like a meridian point for accessing and releasing emotions I would otherwise not have even been aware of. A friend I was talking to via email told me that my moon is actually in harmony with my Sun. That its giving me access to Yin because normally I’m so Yang. Anyway I was just having a winge because I was grumpy. I think the solution is yin yoga. Now that I know it’s progressing sometime in… Read more »

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

Note to self and world. Emo cons look cute on phone but don’t translate into site.

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

Also prog moon in the 8th house in Cancer gives me an ability to make up languages. It’s not just punctuation and syntax I recreate at will anymore.
embe orst

gemini cat
gemini cat

I’ve attributed this feeling to being in a bored phase, and that if I think about other things my interest will come back at some point. But my situation seems fairly unreal and don’t have a deadline, that I know about. The last tarot spread recommended a short/day trip to help with the stasis. I mentioned taking one to a couple of different friends, but haven’t gotten around to it. It’s way too hot out for me most days. I guess I would rather go by myself — keep up with the weather until there’s a cooler day and just… Read more »

JupiterRuledMM Member
JupiterRuled

Holy potatoes… This is my life. 12th house sun and moon in late Scorpio. Banging away on a work project for YEARS and lately, feel like I could easily walk away from it to become some kind of health guru. I’ll stay the work course though… Looking fine as fuq when this is all over will be the ultimate makeover debut scene. Haters gonna drool!

Laura
Laura

Shiiiiiiiiit. Yep, explains a lot. This Saturn thing has been kicking my ass. Been parked on my natal 28• Scorp, 12th house Neptune and opposing my natal Saturn in Taurus for eons now. Oh and I just went through my Uranus opposition too. Will be glad for the return to Sagg but have to wait out the entire year next year before it clears my ascendant. Guess I’m gonna be brand spanking new and badass by 2017. Bye everybody – going into deep hibernation.

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

Wow, 12th house Neptune here too.
Uranus opposition, check.

moss
moss

cap here too, i am in the same place, feeling stalled out and isolating, doing anything other than the project i have near conclusion–wow.

Aqua lion
Aqua lion

Brilliant advice from Mystic. I too have just finished a giant project (thesis) and was really annoyed at how I’d waste my precious study time doing other things and somehow not pouring forth genius onto the page. Even though I scheduled for it, motivation didn’t arrive. A few things: trust the process, trust the project and cut yourself some slack. Short breaks to refresh / recharge will often help way way more than beating yourself up about things. Find little routine jobs you can do when you’re not that motivated – that have to get done to move your project… Read more »

InvictaMM Member
Invicta

This is such lovely advice.

flowerchild
flowerchild

Yes, great advice! Timely for me as I’m trying to re-write my resume so I can get a different and better job. I’m not very good at writing it so it takes forever and I second-guess myself and I procrastinate, but it certainly doesn’t help things to beat myself up about it, either! I tend to be very hard on myself and perfectionist, and then rebel against that, like swinging from one extreme to the other. Today it’s going to be self-care and affirmations to get me in a good space to do the resume… Thanks!

LeoEscapeArtist
LeoEscapeArtist

yesyesyes, mystic nailed it…’buns of saturn’ says it all.

aquasunrise
aquasunrise

I second mystic’s advice above…double or nothing! Or is that triple…Or as someone else said to me, who has more surgery than I have fingers, “extremes of self preservation”…this person’s idea of gardening is to carefulluy initially plant, sew / stuff a few different varieties of garden species into the one crowded planter, and see, leave to review which survive…

tw:leoMM Member
tw:leo

sweet. i needed to read this.

davidlMM Member
davidl

Yes Mystic, you hit the nail on the head. Nourish yourself now. Saturn is the time lord. He can make 3 months feel like a lifetime or compress it to 3 mins to speed things along. 12th house Saturn is saying to me, that this ‘project’ is a conclusion to a process, not necessarily the beginning of a new one ? The Gem in you has realized that actually launching this project may have consequences that disturb your new future ahead. Wise to stop and the think. Your not stuck , just evenly balanced . There are your past expectations… Read more »

aquasunrise
aquasunrise

Sorry LOL but a stooge with a whip, just too silly, very funny pictures :-)…You could procure cash from your unsuspecting clients, accounts telling hilarious anecdotes…

aquasunrise
aquasunrise

Btw, I have worked for a lot of those; people in fashion who just did what they liked, stooges (most with pzazz, plenty of showmanship) standing around with a whip (other peoples money snorted up someone elses nose, general managers at niteclubs with CEO’s / directors trashed underaged daughters) yes and they all got very rich…until things became insolvent…truly hilarious stuff to watch, but painful too…very exhausting predictable adrenalin depleting merry-go-round…Fun makes it a lot easier to not over think, and stay sane in an insane world.

Charles
Charles

Saturn problems? See your dentist.

I am absolutely not kidding.

aquasunrise
aquasunrise

Agree. In fact I should be seeing mine. We have a strange dynamic. I love her. We just hit it off – such a joker. She would have been the kind of woman lots of straight woman would find utterley irrestible (a bit K D Lang)…so droll, magnetic. I had a sudden terrible experience with a wisdom tooth erupting, so I appeared there pretty much on the spot, and she ripped it out so quickly and cleanly I did not require any painkillers…I was back at work in minutes…That was during my aries saturn return… Now I have a grang… Read more »

Charles
Charles

I went to the dentist recently. It was traumatic. Then, for the first time ever, my dentist told me to stop brushing so much. I’m gradually gouging a groove in my molars.

aquasunrise
aquasunrise

There are people who grinf their teeth away at night…mouth guards to stop this, but not preventative. Yes the overbrushing is a culprit too…

Jokerman
Jokerman

I got Saturn, @ 2°, in Cap opp my 9° Asc. Somehwere l read that’s not good for teeth/bones. Im thinking of getting a few implants (replacing part plates). What does it all mean? Get it done before Sat goes Cap?

aquasunrise
aquasunrise

Maybe saturn in capricorn would be perfect timing if you have virgo mars pluto – in good aspect for transformative benefit? Look at your degrees…sometimes the hard aspects, learning traingles can be benefical cycles of necessay growth too? For me I suppose (have virgo stellium 1st) but 8th / 2nd & 1st (aries libra)house squares to that transit could mean financial outlays to improve so, as example if you see…

Jokerman
Jokerman

I just think Sat will say “Do it now, you don’t want to wait till l get home!”.

Kell
Kell

My Saggo/Cap girlfriend, says in her dry tone, “Most people forget that a marathon is 26.2 miles. It’s the point two that will kill you.” Our Cap friend struggles with that 0.2 as we all do. It’s the unpainted pieces of trim for the stairway, that creaking hinge on the newly installed door- the last bit of crumbs swept up. Having done the Saturn in 12th over 90% of my planets, including Moon-Neptune, I’d have given anything to hole up- but life happened. The elders insisted on dying, ditto one cat, the kids grew, there were life cycle moments to… Read more »

Skye
Skye

Have been in the same headspace here… I can’t even be bothered to return phone calls. Home is good. Quiet is good. Alone is good.

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