Will Saturn in Saggo Fuq Higher Education?

Steven Meisel

Hi Mystic,

I’m really nervous about the upcoming Saturn transit into Sagittarius. I’m an rhd student, I do research in philosophy, and I a bit terrified about what sort of havoc Saturn in Sag is going to wreak over the tertiary education centre. But is there a reason to be hopeful? Saturn brings losses and hardships with the ultimate aim of making what it touches stronger – is there potential for this saturn transit to rebuild rather than destroy the university system in many countries which have been vastly deteriorated in quality due to economic pressures. What will happen to the liberal arts and humanities, will this be the final nail in the coffin? Or will Saturn in Sagittarius punish those who have worked against the spirit of higher education, against wisdom and learning, and more important, against the neglect of teaching in such institutions.

Kind Regards,
Concerned Saggo

Hi Concerned Saggo,

Well okay i think Saturn in Sagittarius will totally put the subject more on the table for discussion, a la this article in Salon but in general i think this is a casualty of Pluto in Capricorn-the Zap Zone sort of issues.

There is vast amounts of tax revenue being lost to subsidies of property investors, foreign military interventions and don’t start me but apparently not enough to properly invest into higher education, health and innovation. It also seems to be a theme of Pluto in Capricorn that governments all over the world are going into massive amounts of debt and generally encouraging their citizens to do the same, in the absence of any real improvement in wages or the real economy.

On the face of it, it does seem unfair that members of  the Pluto in Leo generation who had their own tertiary education subsidized by government are now ensuring that (in general) Pluto in Scorpio pay a hell of a lot more to access a depleted system. But with Saturn transits through any sign, situations are often improved by a frank and delusion-free assessment.

As you note, Sagittarius rules (amongst other things) education and i would LOVE to think that Saturn in this noble sign would somehow correlate with fresh solutions, new innovation and opportunity for all.  But let’s see what the next big super intense seven months of the Zap Zone finale bring.

I know heaps of you peeps on here are more informed and insider re such things than i – thoughts?

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James dean
James dean

this is interesting cause its my first saturn return, im quite afraid lol, but im also ready i guess, ive been getting so philosophical since pluto in sagg was on the last decanate, around 2004, my parents virgo plutos had become very philisophical ever since 1996 started lol, but i started getting into it as a teen, by 2007 it became deeper, i studied more philisophies and joined a holistic classes, and stuff, by 2008, god it helped me, once capricorn pluto started there was no way back, now i needed to apply those learned philisohpies cause in capricorn pluto… Read more »

Apocalypso
Apocalypso

Greetings, James dean.
May the Force be with you.

Circe Baby
Circe Baby

I’m anti higher-education anyway, and have the Jupiter, Neptune, Venus and Uranus in Sagg to prove it. HE is so boring and woefully inefficient. Can’t we try something new? This is coming from a former academic with a passion for education that actually cuts through and gives more than it takes. The current system is negligently archaic. Burn baby.

pi
pi
VSLR
VSLR

I noticed a shift while I was at Oxford. My first year was spent in the company of elite English kids who had very narrow minded views about certain things – of course I’ve made some amazing friends who I love dearly. But when students fees almost tripled across the country, Oxford increased its quota for international students because clearly only they had the money to pay such extortionate amounts – that’s just the fees not even the living costs. While, it increased the level of tolerance, exchange of idea and general open mindedness I truly believe that it has… Read more »

Charles
Charles

Hey I have Pluto in Leo and nobody subsidized my education. I have $30k in student loans that I’ll probably still be paying off when I’m 90 years old. I went back and finished by degrees with the Pluto in Libra generation.

Okay maybe I’m not really part of the Pluto in Leo generation. Pluto already moved on to Virgo, but it retrograded back for a few months and created a small group of us that aren’t really part of either generation.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Online university education (i employ this term lightly) in Australia, is the greatest scam of the Twenty -first century.

An overpriced, second-hand, obsolete, waste of fuqing time.

I concur, the system is in rabbles.

A-non.

Gneiss Rox
Gneiss Rox

Fair enough, not an Aussie. MIT courses I linked are Free and as I mentioned, not for college credits.

It is a start in the right direction, A-non.

Gneiss Rox
Gneiss Rox

Non-credited, yet high caliber and free of charge.
http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/find-by-department/

Anonymous
Anonymous

These courses, and others like them (moocs and edx) exceed what we have here in oz. I’d embrace the opportunity to study a degree via an ivy league uni such as Stanford, Harvard, or Yale free of charge. The thing is, Austudy won’t recognise the American distance ed degrees and therefore won’t support us while we study full-time. Instead of increasing my chances of employment, I’ve found it impossible to secure part-time work because employers can hire a junior, back packer, intern, or recently graduated person who’ll virtually work for nothing. I’ve also been discriminated against because, “as a full-time… Read more »

pi
pi

Omg I LOVE the MIT courses online!! Yay so much stuff

Rache(Aqua/Tauri)
Rache(Aqua/Tauri)

I love this thread. You guys are all so cool.

jojobe
jojobe

love this idea & comment that it’s nothing to worry about unless you’re part of the problem. I feel this approaching–I go to a tiny liberal arts self-governing school (shimer college) & students are scheming reform in big ways. we are in a constant state of chaos-rebirth but this growth in particular is abetted by chaos in higher ed. Student protests are still happening (they didn’t die with Occupy) & I’m happy to know there is MAJOR reform coming. One change I’m anticipating is the student loan bubble bursting, much as the housing bubble burst in America a few years… Read more »

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

Right. With anything less than a medical degree? Impossible.

My brilliant friend with a masters in classical Spanish lit was part of a successful uprising of adjunct professors that resulted in their procurement of union status & secure contracts at a major uni, pollitical to the core. It can totally be done. Power ups, jojobe.

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

I think Pluto was in Virgo then, when they unionized… have to think on the Saturn bit…

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

Haha no, Saturn was in Virgo, not Pluto! Cheezus I need to sleep. Good night 🙂

gbs
gbs

Totally agree about the student loan bubble. It’s completely unsustainable and Saturn does not appreciate unsustainable financial models.

But education from kindergarten through postdoc needs an overhaul. There’s too much emphasis on receiving knowledge instead of actively participating in the acquiring of it.

This view on creative learning is where we need to be headed I think: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_6XwhdpRJA

monte
monte

Just to clear something up: In Australia anyway, higher education was a privilege up until Whitlam got into power in late 1972. Only the rich or those lucky enough to receive a scholarship were able to go to university. The beneficiaries of the Whitlam policies were those born between about 1955 and 1968. So the very end of the Pluto in Leo generation, but mostly the Pluto in Virgo generation. Being born in 1959, I am a part of the Pluto in Virgo generation that benefited from Whilam’s policies. In fact the 1959 peoples are often left out of the… Read more »

Rache(Aqua/Tauri)
Rache(Aqua/Tauri)

I also hope there is a reform of elementary, junior high, and high school education as well. Especially in math. I am FURIOUS that I only learned calculus this year and that there are far, far more intuitive ways of approaching it than the usual methods employed. Calculus is power. Seriously.

I would totally teach high school or junior high if it were possible to do it and live above the poverty level. Education is a mess. Bring on Saturn in Sagg!!!

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

YES

pi
pi

Maths is the bomb. And sciences. How else can we critically appraise issues or media stories about matters facing the entire planet, like climate change, food and nutrition, income and savings, complexities of computing, whatever? Was dismayed to learn that Aust high school students taking these subjects for final HS exams is declining every year.
Stoked to read you enjoying the subject.

Crisis? What Crisis
Crisis? What Crisis

If govt is organised crime, education is organised stupidity!

Rache(Aqua/Tauri)
Rache(Aqua/Tauri)

I am passionate about education and am secretly hoping that there is more of a Pluto-style breakdown before the breakthrough. seethingcalm’s comment above it right on the money. Education needs a serious reform, it’s becoming a huge scam.

Pegasus
Pegasus

My very first thought reading the heading and the next few lines is that it will encourage debate in the areas Sagg is a sponsor of. It may delay it for a while whilst taking time out for adventures fun and frolics but Saturn will ensure you do your lessons, and repeat and repeat if you don’t get it. Always think higher learning comes after Saturn Return with the Jupiter ruled. Entry into the Temple of Wisdom isn’t without cost. My generation had to have wealthy parents, a scholarship or work to support University costs, education was not free. I’m… Read more »

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

While in graduate school, our (small, private) liberal arts uni president was suddenly replaced by a man whose cv reflected experience running only corporations. “But he has no experience in academia, so wtf?” many classmates wondered aloud. Soon thereafter a glorius new building was erected for the business dept, while bastard students in humanities continued to slog along in 100 year old buildings that still are not handicap accessible as I write this. We hear about the EU’s sinking financial ship but then there is also news about countries there who offer tuition-free higher ed to their citizens and I… Read more »

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

Or maybe he won’t want to go to college. There’s that lol

skarab
skarab

Germany’s recent scrapping of uni fees comes from a very long and hard battle initiated by grassroots movements which began to form in 1999. They organised occupations, debates in schools, demos and won over the larger community with their informative events all throughout the past 15 years. They finally managed to get 15% of the voting population to sign a petition to have a referendum on Higher Education. The government then scrapped fees. But this didn’t just happen overnight. Seems to me that if we want change we really have to organize ourselves and fight long and hard for it… Read more »

The Leo Socialite
The Leo Socialite

I was at a thing the other night and this very topic came up. Not about education but in terms of health with a surgeon saying the administrators well outnumber the doctors and nurses who are actually productive. It is really frustrating for surgeons who can only work on a certain number of patients a day to be told by a bloated bureacracy they “can’t afford” more frontline staff. They can but the bureacrats would rather pay themselves.

BastBlessed
BastBlessed

I am a history professor that teaches in the U.S. higher education system and have since 2007/8. Fear Saturn in Sag, uh, hells no. Unless, of course, you are part of the academic problem. There is plenty to be frightened of here…bloated student rates, failure to promote quality instructors, institutions that will not keep up with evolving technology, failure to update curriculum courses (in other words, what instructors teach), and what most non-academics don’t know about, administrative bloat. Admin bloat is all the “supervisors” running around higher ed. The population of administrators now outstrips that of students and faculty teaching… Read more »

calypso
calypso

oh yes, bloated admin….and when they make a decision do they consult their in-built experts? No! They talk to someone in HR….

BastBlessed
BastBlessed

Oh, and don’t forget, all those problems need to go to a “committee…” *eyeroll* A committee full of other admin people who put off the problem continuously.

calypso
calypso

oh please, I sat on a committee this year, and the sandwiches consumed were more easily numerous than the solutions implemented or even those in the room who knew what it was about 😯

give it to marketing to produce a redesigned graphic about whatever 😉

pi
pi

I think in oz the adjuncts might also be called Sessional academics. Their role seems to be as you describe. pale but complacent- looking academics (admins I guess) tootle around campus with some kind of glassy-eyed stare as they bypass undergrad scum, with the exception of the full fee paying internationals of course where the dollar signs appear in their eyes. Kaching

pi
pi

Oops as you may hav noticed I am describing two diff groups there.

blackjosefine
blackjosefine

I think what is going on with the Zap Zone and Cappy Pluto have a lot to do with it…in general I see this Saturn cycle as encompassing Scorpio, Saggy and Capricorn in about 3 years time. What started as the mutual reception between Scorpy Saturn and Cappy Pluto, brought all that junk to the surface. Big business, the current gay marriage revolution, health care insurance, etc…which is now going to morph into questions concerning tertiary education, international law, and philosophical questions. Anyone born with Neptune in Sagg is going to have a rough time as our religious and mystic… Read more »

calypso
calypso

o god. I have Mars at 24 Cap. Maybe I’ll get married then? *hopefully, not because she wants to get married but because it would be better than the alternatives* Re: higher ed, there’s going to be a shake up in terms of the way courses are delivered, for sure, it’s already on the way. And I don’t just mean online although that is the catalyst. It will all look very different in a few years time. Whether or not that will mean changes like the ones we might want, I don’t know. ZZ or not, I think the $… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

Yes I can. My son is Sun-Venus-NN, Pluto-Mercury in Capricorn.
If that wasn’t enough he is an Earth Double Ox. 😉 he’s an angel sent direct to this dimension earthing incredible energy.

pi
pi

He sounds like a Seer for the 21st century! Better write down his utterances… Xx

sphinx
sphinx

Haha, thanks Pi! T’was me. His utterances, eh! I can repeat them now: “Mummy! I happy to see you too!”, “Scare-crow!”, “PUssy-cat!!”.
That’s all I got so far, but I am hoping to get more in the next year or two, lol. 😉

seethingcalm
seethingcalm

Oh dear, a topic near and dear to my heart. Where to even begin? I’m finishing a PhD in psychology from a small American university. Would I do it again if I could redo? Hard question. I know too much now about the fuqed education system in the US to say…my education has been worth it, but I will be paying off loans for a long long time. I would never be afraid of Saturn’s jaunt through Sag, I’d like to think it’s going to bring some much-needed refocusing on what’s so important to Sag—the pursuit of knowledge. It would… Read more »

BastBlessed
BastBlessed

There is an as-of-yet unpublished study of a Tier II North Carolina university, that shows the administration gets paid the most. The second highest paid individuals at an institution of higher learning: business faculty! It makes sense. The math and science “nerds” don’t always transition well into business. (And before someone gets upset, every singe professor is a “nerd” in their field. Don’t believe me? Ask them about their research/focus. Oy vey.) What Seethingcalm is saying about university pricing is right. According to Collegedata.com, Duke University, in NC, is roughly $60,000. That doesn’t include living…food, clothes, etc., so add $20,000… Read more »

Apocalypso
Apocalypso

“The future is uncertain but the end is always near”