Pluto Is A Planet

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Daniel Danger

Hey stand by for Monday horoscopes (obviously) which will be intensely Pluto-Direct themed – you know you want to work with Pluto energies, right? RIGHT?  It seems a bit quiet up the back there.

And also for the Future Libra MP3 – joining Future Gemini, Future Cancerian, Future Leo, Future Virgo and Eclipse Boss.

I should probably just call it Librans Are The New Aquarians.

And then Monthly Horoscopes for October will by up by Monday, a bit early because October is a thing. Eclipse Season and all. If you have not gotten Eclipse Boss (it is pay what you want) do have a listen.

Finally, a la some of the comments in the Weekend Links, i am pondering a Pluto generations post – boomers, gen x, gen y, millennials – the whole damned deal. The previous post along these lines had 573 comments of great interest but it also got a bit heated and ugly at times. Can we have this discussion without it getting nasty?

I think it’s important that we can talk about (say) how the Pluto in Leo generation (boomers) seemed to have sucked a lot of resources out of the economy at every step of their lives, without it (obviously) being about individual Pluto in Leo peeps. What do you think?

 

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Anonymous

http://www.handclow2012.com/News/PlutoInLeo.pdf
Barbara Hand Clow’s take on P in Leo. Rawrr!

Rachel
Rachel

There were a lot of Pluto in Scorpio folk involved in occupy–myself being one. And folks born around the same time as me would also have the Uranus/Neptune conjunct plus Saturn all in Capricorn. With Saturn now in Scorpio and Pluto cap–that mutual reception is def playing on some strong natal points for us folk…

connie klein
connie klein

Mystic, I would love for you to do the Pluto in Leo exposition as only you can.
I have Pluto in Leo in the 5th, so I really get this and just a few degrees off is ole Saturn in Leo in 5th. A life once led so fiercely and passionately with my husbands, lovers, children then……and now???

WrungSystem
WrungSystem

Pluto been really Bizzy….When they changed his status to Dwarf planet…No More NASA…..The Banking System And huge corporations did not pay any Taxes…..Taylor swift..who started out like Jewel came out on the seen with here Pop Dubstep Pluto Romance song…I knew you were trouble…..and when Pluto went retro in Capricorn of course Shake it off but you will notice she is still wearing black at the end of the Video…..I am a Scorpio and I love Electro Dubstep….not all Dubstep is created equal…I preference the ethereal sound Dubstep like Kerli Kiov Seven Lions….I hope Pluto is responsible for some of… Read more »

Wrungsystem
Wrungsystem

I have been using Iphermis app for iPad find it fascinating…..When Pluto Went into Sag…Taylor Swift came out with I Knew you Were Trouble…..Soon as Her new Song Shake it off came out…Pluto was RetroGrade in Capricorn….I think Taylor Swift has been a sounding board for Pluto…

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

“Dear NASA,

Your mom said I was big enough.

Love,

Pluto.”

PI
PI

HAHAHAHAHAHAh

DP
DP

Oh SNAP

XD

skarab
skarab

HAA -HAA!!

Frustrated Arian Gemini
Frustrated Arian Gemini

Wow, 573, eh?

Not bad lol

akapluto
akapluto

One more thing: Pluto in Leo brought us Mick Jagger. Let’s look on the bright side, here.

Anonymous
Anonymous

and that’s a good thing?? I’m not a fan

Anonymous
Anonymous

Fan or not, you gotta nod to what he represents. He was Pluto Sun Leo conjunct. Honestly I’m more of a Beatles fan but still…he’s always what I think of when i think of Pluto and Leo…and my mum…who has Pluto in Leo…and is in love with Mick Jagger…ha! Rock n Roll

Kell
Kell

Hah! That’s my husband Pluto/sun in Leo!!!! He lurves the stage!!!

Anonymous
Anonymous

not a fan of what he represents either.
Retire already and let the young ones have a go. 🙂

akapluto
akapluto

Lifelong (since birth) constant string of Pluto conjunctions finally coming to and end in the next couple years. Wonder what that will be like? I mean its just turning into the next chapter: years of Pluto squares. Can’t run from my ruler.

VenusRules
VenusRules

I’ve had that too – with the exception of Uranus, the only planet ahead of Pluto in my chart, and my 19 Cap moon, Pluto has conjoined every planet in my chart. I think I’m almost desensitized to it, and instead what I feel the most is Saturn kicking my Scorpio butt with no mercy. Between the two of them, life has not been a carnival. When privileged people chirp free advice and happy bromides at me I have to bite my tongue.

Kell
Kell

VR, Amen! Saturn kicking me and a tooth- taking myself to dentist in the AM. I had Pluto hit my planets in my 20s and 30s. It has hit every one including Saturn. I have barely endured at times-felt like every area of life was done.

Very precarious money stuff- balancing balls and holding my breath. Praying!!! I do avoid negative peeps cuz they drain me. I stay at edge of crowds.

akapluto
akapluto

Ah- same thing now with Saturn. Now its HIS turn to conjunct everyone of my planets!

I’m also nearly desensitized to Pluto- or maybe we’re just so good at Pluto now that he can’t bother us. It was awful to begin with but the last major astro shit storm (April) actually went great for me. I plunged headlong into the madness instead of resisting change. Plutonians fear no truth! Fear no change!

Ms..
Ms..

Anyone who is a Scorpio or has had hardcore Pluto transits or knows the Myths can safely say that size does not matter.

prowlncrab
prowlncrab

It’s the motion in the ocean eh? 😉

Well I’ve certainly felt Pluto’s ripple effects!

Ms..
Ms..

Ha! yes…

different kind of penetration 😉

Tales from the Crypt
Tales from the Crypt

Pluto in my House of Love going forward. Thats what Katscopes are sayn. I met someone on the last night l was in the town; struck up an easy rapport. Lucky l gotta go back there in a few days. I def feel like l’ve learnt a bit lately. So…..maybe somethn…

Tales from the Crypt
Tales from the Crypt

Plus Pluto trining my Virgoan Venus/Mars/Eros

Circe of Perpetual Occultation
Circe of Perpetual Occultation

I spent the day reading Donna Cunningham’s “Healing Pluto Problems”. A day very well spent IMO. I didn’t realise this before, but resentment may well be a Pluto speciality. Reading about this put me in touch with levels of resentment I had never really even dared consider in myself before. I don’t think I’ve really taken into account my capacity for resentment and how it might be governing my life experience: resentments of all kinds, even resentment over being alive. “When you walk around resentful, your attitude alienates others.” God, that is so true. I didn’t realise how much of… Read more »

Kell
Kell

Beautiful!!!

Pluto is a big factor in domestic abuse and bullying. The top/down control, and need to be “right”.

Totally love your last two sentences!!!!

Kell

Kell
Kell

PS it took me weeks to work through the exercises in DC’s book. I keep it in the bathroom- and it’s spine cracked from re-reading. Pluto squaring my Venus, currently.

calypso
calypso

omg yes. my marriage was a Pluto/South Node deal and played out that way. i’ve spent these last few days peeling away another layer, freeing my heart, and learning to hear and to see anew. cried my heart out, life is raw. shedding. ready for the forward lurch 🙂

calypso
calypso

Pluto squaring my Venus too!

Kell
Kell

Oddly, after cycling through need to be right, totes self/help, Chiron based exceptions to the rules, I am oddly curious and compassionate. Not 200% but more often than not. I cringe when I see/remember how judgmental and righteous I was. We all grow up! Sigh!!!

Libra in the zz
Libra in the zz

Pluto squaring Venus? Pluto/south node? How did these play out exactly?

calypso
calypso

My partners Pluto conjunct my South Node – fated, past life connection with themes of power and control – hello domestic violence.

Pluto squaring my Venus now – just about to go over it for the 3rd time. I think I’ve totally transformed my relationship to love. This is the healing.

calypso
calypso

oh yes Kell, I was a knob about it even when I joined this site less than 2 years ago (Saturn offers backup)!

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

Nom nom nom

Ms..
Ms..

I have pluto 4th house and it was quite literal, house is hell and bloodline cleaning the whole time. My sister has same pluto placement and Scorpio but we could not be more different which is why this is so interesting to me. We came to heal the line. I always felt as if I had 5 generations of smacked around women in my blood let alone my own story. But the phoenixing that occurs from such has been my largest life lesson to date. I would have loved something more mystical and powerful than domestic abuse for my pluto… Read more »

desertblu
desertblu

Have the 4th house Pluto as well. We should swap our swampy stories sometime.
I do like your take on it as in cleaning/healing the bloodline.

Ms..
Ms..

Given the weirdness with all the psychic gifts and baggage from the family then the other shit, its been an odd combination and role I’ve been placed in. Not unique to some here I am sure.

Traditionally it seems to be a placement for violence or an (abusive power structure at least) in the home. I am sure it has others but that was obviously the one I remembered the most.

It’s such a multi plex answer its hard to condense.

It’s made me an excellent guard dog though 😉

All the best with your journey Blu xxx

Kell
Kell

Dear Ms. And Blu I am so sorry that domestic abuse has been part of the journey. Jeff Greene always explored the opposite Pluto points and midpoints. My family had witches too, potent women with “The Sight”. Re-abuse- PTSD was just part of life. I am just now getting courage and confidence to get “on the radar”. I used to jump just hearing my name. Mostly verbal/psychic poaching. I now keep Celtic sea salt in my desk!!! LOL!!! Pluto squaring Venus from the 2nd has unearthed lots- money, sex, values, debt, worthiness, core values. Natal Pluto in 10th gives me… Read more »

calypso
calypso

my maternal line is full of female-female conflict as well. A literal curse on them over 90. I think I’ve escaped it too, well, mostly!

My SN story is relevant too: Virgo 4th, conjunct Pluto! (also 4th). No wonder things are resonating. SO, away from the critical nit-picking home life, towards acceptance? and career!

Kell
Kell

Calypso, Is Pisces on your 10th? My son has 4th Virgo. Our family has huge Pluto overlaps- 4th and 10th in synastry. Huge healing if it’s Pisces. Or change if it’s Aries!

calypso
calypso

yes, Pisces! Healing is right, I’ve definitely been doing my NN in terms of sign, house not so much but maybe one will lead to the other! Thanks x

pi
pi

Donna Cunningham’s Pluto stuff is interesting. Since Scorpio is the king of grudge holding (allegedly) or simply holding on, and Pluto rules scorp, yes.. Resentment controls us more than anything. We act out and overspend or drink too much or brood or wear sour expressions or overreact or run away and whatever all because of some figment that lives… Only in our own heads!! forgiveness true release of ties that bind never happens overnite but god it is like shedding a piece of chain mail when we drop some shitty notion . Ask myself “what if I just stopped caring… Read more »

pi
pi

Not a dig at Scorpios , meant to recognise that scorps hold on sometimes for better sometimes for worse.

Suddenly Leo
Suddenly Leo

So I’ve done a bunch of research on Pluto for my astronomy writing gig and two fun facts: Pluto was demoted from “planet” status because its mainly composed of ice, rather than mafic material (like Earth’s core and mantle). It’s the only planet that’s mainly ice. It was also demoted because its orbit crosses that of Neptune’s. It’s the only planet with an orbit that doesn’t match that of the others. How does this information change our ideas about Pluto? What does it mean that Pluto is mainly made of ice and crosses wherever one’s Neptune is at some point?… Read more »

skarab
skarab

Maybe Pluto’s energy can only be channeled into Earth via Neptune’s highly sensitive and mediumistic tendencies?

gbs
gbs

That’s very interesting that Pluto is made mostly of ice, especially as the sign it rules (Scorpio) is fixed water.

Suddenly Leo
Suddenly Leo

COOL connection about fixed water!

skarab
skarab

😉

Kell
Kell

Oooh Pluto molten or Pluto on the rocks- up with a twist!

pi
pi

There are a few books written by astronomers (not astrologers) about why Pluto was deplaneted. I think the general gist is that it behaved less like a planet than the other planets. Also the presence of other bigger planetoids that weren’t getting a promotion.

MiM
MiM

Pluto is real. Found that out this weekend. Plumber established that my toilet, only 8 years old, has to be replaced. So that’s what’s happening tomorrow morning, at a cool $800. There are two valves damaged, which leads to toilet valve (ball cock?) making moaning sound when flushed. PLUS had toilet running Friday night (thank God I turned of water supply) with tank unable to fill up. To have insides of cistern replaced is about same price as new toilet. Urg! Spending $800 on a TOILET is… draining. Pluto transit currently in 4th house of home, squaring my natal Pluto… Read more »

Tales from the Crypt
Tales from the Crypt

You need to be flushed with money to get a job like that done.

Kell
Kell

We had to purge: dead bat, bees and squirrels from rafters. $600. That was for a one way baffle to get squirrels out and keep them out. Jeez!

*****
*****

Hello Mystic – could you please do some posts on the impending Saturn into Sagg?
As a Sun-Mercury-Jupiter-Neptune(+Asteroids) in Sagg – who is still recovering from the trouncing Saturn gave my Pluto-Uranus-Lilith-Moon(+Asteroids) on his way though Libra – I am somewhat nervous about what fresh hell these upcoming transits will unleash..(yes I am being melodramatic, but what ever!).
If there’s one thing I’ve learned from all this Saturn action it’s that forewarned is forearmed – and it’s never too early to start prepping! Looking forward some timely advice

cheers

a nervous Saggi…..

davidl
davidl

You know that saying where ever you go, there you are. Well Saturn’s a bit like that. Just when you think you’ve given him the slip, there he is right in front of you, conjuncting your personal planets. I’m in my fifties and heading towards my second return. The secret I think is to see Saturn as your friend, he can be. Every Saturn transit can then be seen as a time of power not powerlessness. The last time Saturn was on my sun my life was torn to shreds, uprooted, why ? So I could be in the right… Read more »

*****
*****

you’re right…the reason I suddenly burst in on a discussion about Pluto with a request about Saturn is because today I realised that during all these Saturn travails, transiting Pluto had squared my natal Pluto exactly… Now it is heading towards a conjunction with my natal Venus, e.t.a.? Just as Saturn trundles over my Saggi stellium…sigh.
By the time all this “restructuring” is over I’m pretty sure there will be a whole new being standing in my place…

CousinRibby
CousinRibby

I think it’s important to talk about it too.. anyone who is interested to think about it further might be interested in *acclaimed speechwriter* Don Watson’s new book The Bush.

Libra9
Libra9

I think Pluto got the sh*ts when it was unplaneted and now we’re all paying

Tales from the Crypt
Tales from the Crypt

It got unplaneted by ppl who think too much. Thinkn is overrated; look at the mess its got us into.

gemini cat
gemini cat

Pluto has almost but not quite retrograded to oppose my Venus. I’m trying to think of how Pluto energies have worked in my life… I know what Pluto square Venus feels like — so wrenching I’d rather avoid it completely. When it was transiting opposite my Sun in the 11th house, reclusiveness and avoidance set in while I focused on studying/research/writing. It’s hard to separate Zap Zone Pluto and Uranus energies since they happened at the same time. I love really good noir detective novels — very Plutonic. Do dreams set underground involve Pluto energy? I’ve had a lot of… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

When Pluto was conjunct my natal Neptune I had a dream that where the sidewalk I was standing on lowered unexpectedly underground to secret military base. I was surrounded by seated soldiers, all mortally wounded, all very real-looking people, and one of them said to me, “It’s not a dream.” And that’s when I realized I was dreaming…it got even weirder than that but I’ll stay on topic. Pluto =underground, Capricorn=Army? Odd.

akapluto
akapluto

Oh yeah that was me, AKA

gemini cat
gemini cat

I’m not so good at interpreting the symbolism of soldiers — I guess it depends what you think they were fighting for and if they were officers, volunteers, or draftees. Capricorn supposedly does represent hierarchical organizations. What house is your Neptune in?

akapluto
akapluto

Yes- I made the association because of Capricorn’s association with organizations and hierarchies- military included. The soldiers seemed very intent to talk to me and I asked them why on earth they would want to talk to me (cause seriously, I am really not into politics…like, at all) and the lead soldier held up a little device, like a curcuit breaker with a long antennae like a stretched coat hanger, and he said, “You know, there are much better ways to kill people in wars.” And there was a deafening electric buzz, and everything went white and I woke up.… Read more »

gemini cat
gemini cat

To me, it would mean that the soldiers were some part of your unconscious where there is a war going on — they were wounded and then he “killed” you when the sound went off and you woke up.

plutonic irruption
plutonic irruption

sun at 10 degrees cap. sighs. been in a very difficult situation for past six months. however, have learnt a lot from it so not wasted. how cap is that ? going for a colour consult on 23. how plutonic is that ! transformation ! the rest is bitterness i probably need to let go of. mystic i took walnut juice until it bled from me. did the world of good. wishing you love as always.

Lux interior is My Co-Pilot
Lux interior is My Co-Pilot

Future Virgo was the best thing I bought all year…

Pluto…is coming? Oh dear, gotta stay strong.

virgo kathleen
virgo kathleen

I was a fan too.
Excited for next year…when Jupiter goes into Virgo. Hell yes.

Scorpisces
Scorpisces

Pluto in Scorp generation here. Would be interesting to hear about others but worried it might get a lil astro sassy.

monte
monte

“…Pluto in Leo generation (boomers) seemed to have sucked a lot of resources out of the economy at every step of their lives…”

Poor start, even as an example.

Circe of Perpetual Occultation
Circe of Perpetual Occultation

Maybe we need to talk about why different Pluto generations feel such contempt for one another?

Circe of Perpetual Occultation
Circe of Perpetual Occultation

But I suppose there is something inescapably brutal about Pluto that doesn’t lend itself to tender embracing. Pluto does seem to be about burning things up.

virgo kathleen
virgo kathleen

Yeah I would love to talk about Pluto generations but it does get heated. People take things too personally, people blaming other generations…I think it’s human nature is to point blame. Younger generations blame the old, old generations blame the young…it will get ugly really fast.

It’s still a super interesting topic though!

david5379
david5379

Oof, if your talking about me I don’t have it in me to argue about things on the internet anymore. Heck I can’t even argue as long in real life anymore. So you won’t have to worry about that that’s for sure. I don’t even have the motivation to comment here as much anymore. I haven’t been able to string sentences together to articulate points that are interesting to me or what I am trying to understand anymore. Not sure how much of it is some sort of fog or how much of it is just change. It used to… Read more »

12th house Virgo
12th house Virgo

Totally. Same here.

Vslr
Vslr

Totally the same here too. I have a feeling that this feeling of retreating, reading, absorbing and few comments from my side has been because of jupiter in the 12th (virgo sun). I have just gone inwards within myself. Cant qiite explain it lol…

PI
PI

Maybe if we keep the pluto-generationals discussion limited to one’s own experiences? and to check the tone if making observations about other generations? it is a truth universally acknowledged that grizzling about “kids these days” is insta-fuddy-duddy material.

PI
PI

and whatever the reverse is, when grizzling about “older generations”

leogroover
leogroover

Thx for that Pi

Sphinx
Sphinx

The corruption that has created our world is not new and doesn’t belong to one generation? I think the public or obvious nature of this Pluto is the crime rather than the Pluto theme being supremely different to other Pluto gen themes.
They just happened to be in place in time to surf the big economic wave, that will as it has done in history b4, downturn sharply. It’s the seeing it with hindsight on the way down that clarifies it so bracingly.

catfish moon
catfish moon

Plus my sons……..Both have natal Pluto at 12* Capicorn. Been such a rough couple of years. So over it.

Lucy
Lucy

My ascendant is 12 Cap. Sigh.

Sam
Sam

My ascendant is at 12 Cap and the last 6 months have been fantastic ! Though in the last month there has been a bit of tunnelling going on. But followed by breakthroughs.

catfish moon
catfish moon

Pluto……glad it isn’t very close to any of my planets right now. Transits of pluto…..sigh……. It is 2* opposition of my natal juno and 2* opposition to my lovers natal North node. Feel the wheel turning but where is it headed.

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