Not The Typical Capricorn

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Dear Mystic,

I am a Capricorn but I don’t really feel like a Capricorn… I kind of feel at odds with the things that are supposed to be important to them. Whenever I read about Capricorns, it always seems like they are described as conventional, logical and organized.

Whilst I think these qualities are admirable and are things I can do when I want to, I am a creative and passionate person and am growing to trust my intuition. From what I read, I should be making spreadsheets (which I am good at) but instead I am excited to be making art and researching somatic experience, asking questions and pushing the against predetermined labels and systems.

Do other Capricorns express this kind of confusion? Or is there a place with better information that explains the playful, loving and intuitive side of the goat?

It would be great to hear back from you, if you have time.

Thanks so much,

The Questing Capricorn

My Dear Questing Capricorn,

Capricorns do not FEEL like a Capricorn – they will themselves into being pure thorium-hewn creatures of Time and Saturn. They create themselves from the cellular matrix outward. Long before there were any Law Of Attraction books, Capricorns were consciously cultivating their thought process so as to more actively make something of their basic dark matter.

Okay and to be fair, i have always thought there are two types of Capricorn – a super-Saturnine one and a more Pan/libidinal one. AND remember that the ancient symbol for Capricorn was the Sea-Goat or Mer-Goat.  And i still call Capricorns that in my Horoscopes.  In fact, i don’t think of Capricorns as being conventional – my thing about this sign is that they don’t duck material reality – they fully embrace their worldly schizz and manipulate it to build the reality they want.

Any spread-sheeting is but a means to their end and that can be way unconventional. It’s just that, rather than being out there protesting or rebelling, Capricorns tend more toward the Martin Luther King end of the protest spectrum. They’ll get right into the system they want to change and end up running the whole show.

See this old post on the magical dimensions of our Sea-Goaty creatures and also this one.   In fact, see the whole Capricorn category! I don’t know if it has the “better information” you seek but it is 13 pages of posts about cool Capricorn cats and i promise you it goes way beyond spreadsheets or convention lol.

Personally i think of Capricorns as alien timelords with genius competence and sexy cheekbones.

 

 

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Mer-Goat
Mer-Goat

I don’t relate to most parts of any Capricorn description. I’m far, far more like my Chinese Zodiac, the Sheep/Goat/Ram – which is also a “goat,” like the Capricorn. I’m also INFP-ish. That’s about as far from Capricorn as possible. I am, however, seen/accused of the supposed Capricorn description – which sounds awfully like those offensive Asian stereotypes. I wonder if Capricorns are seen as much more boring, numbers-oriented, and conservative than they actually are? Is that what this sign is about? Maybe Capricorns are fun, vibrant, creative, and ground-breaking at heart – but mistakenly seen as stiff and logical?

Tamera Luckadoo
Tamera Luckadoo

I am also a Capricorn whom doesn’t truly relate with most all descriptions of a Capricorn. I was born Jan 16 1962#notashamedofage I’ve been told by the time & date of my birth I was born on the cusp & am actually Capricorn/Aquarius.. I relate far more to the Aquarius description.

samantha
samantha

I have a 5 month old nephew who is a Cap. He’s not just a cap he has Sun, moon, mercury and Pluto within 11 to 13 degrees in his 4th house. I am so curious to see how his personality develops and what he does with his life, i have a few Cap friends, one from school and one at my current work place but that’s it. Also the fact that i have Sun, Moon Mercury in all in 0 -2 degrees Cancer in the 10th house i can’t help but see his Sun, moon and cap in the… Read more »

S
S

I have a Cap Moon and do relate well with Sun Caps either male or female. Caps leave a mark. I’ve loved one and prayed for him for years, just felt so right with him from the moment I heard his voice. A day or so ago I thought “stuff it”, he should know that I wished for him when I was a teen. A Man who could speak to my soul and be loyal, truthful, loving and respectful. Now having received no reply, not even a “thanks but no thanks.” It’s beyond painful just shocking that I don’t warrant… Read more »

Pegasus
Pegasus

I love me the SeaGoats, have much admiration & respect for them. Having Cap rising or moon gives the’ keep on keeping on’ factor, true grit and a lot of reliability.

There are many reasons peeps do not respond and most of them non-personal, really. Don’t react, it means nothing, hun.

S
S

What the thing is Pegs. It means something to me. That my feelings are not considered. This is not the actions of a very mindful or considerate person. Honesty is not found cloaked in mystery, it’s on the level. Speak the truth (your truth) own every step of your story. It’s only natural to process this as a grief response and I am making plans to bury this once and for all.
Thanks for your thoughts Pegs.

Questing Capricorn
Questing Capricorn

Thanks Mystic and everyone for their lovely Cap related sentiments. It’s inspiring to hear about so many great Caps. I have never been particularly close to another one so I don’t know much about them except from living it. x

seagoat
seagoat

I always seem to enter the conversation when it’s starting to flag…that’s not a Capricorn thing, is it? I

Pegasus
Pegasus

Caps are never behind the 8 ball, SeaGoat, perhaps a Saturn thing with timing tho’ :-)x

EJ
EJ

Hi Mystic! I can relate to this and I feel more like an Aquarius and Gemini. In my chart, I’m a Cap with a 27 degrees Capricorn Rising (Saturn, Venus, and the North Node conjunct the Asc) with Aquarius fully intercepted in the first so the second house cusp would be in Pisces. I have strong Capricorn energy in my chart, as I was born in the period wherein Saturn (Conjunct my Ascendant), Uranus (Partile Conjunct my Sun), and Neptune is in Capricorn (Also conjunct my Sun). My Moon sign is indeed in Gemini. Does the interception of Aquarius in… Read more »

Denise Bolds
Denise Bolds

My moon is in Capricorn and my dad was a cappy! I DO feel like an alien and yes I do have nice cheek bones! LOL! My sun sign is LEO! 😉

tsuki
tsuki

I have a Cap ascendant so I ‘feel’ I am living La Vida Capa. Especially with BML in the first degree of Capricorn and now transiting Pluto up in there I’m all about the dark matter.

Len Metcalf
Len Metcalf

I am pure Capricorn, with it as my rising sign as well, and my moon in Leo. I switch between the two, and earlier in my life I hit the success in my career and peeked in my first one at twenty seven. Totally unsatisfied with that I eventually returned to my childhood dream of being an artist. And have spent the last twenty years stoically slogging away on it. And I do mean slogging away, one step at a time, up that mountain. Mostly dancing on the sides with quick steps and the most lovely enjoyable life. Friends are… Read more »

prowlncrab
prowlncrab

What a lovely story! Thanks for sharing that. 😀

RustyFairie
RustyFairie

I doubt Kate Moss gives a fk about spreadsheets….she sure does influence her chosen path though

Anony
Anony

My Caps are solid. Reliable. Sensible. Smart. Yes they do have the impressively strong work ethic but mostly loyalty and integrity seem key to them. But they are not conventional – they are playful, creative and bold. Funny too. Their un/conventionality is woven differently in each, but they are not in any sense unidimensional. I respect them totally.

prowlncrab
prowlncrab

Capricorn is one of my favourite signs … except for The Fuqwit Cap who is turning out to be disappointingly low brow rather than haute. But yeah I’ve never found them the least bit boringly conventional. Logical and organised … yep. But that’s a good thing – they’re just skills Caps use to climb that personal Cappy mountain that they’ve all got going on up in their heads. And I know heaps of very individualistic, creative Caps. Just because they don’t “fight the system” like a Sagg would, doesn’t mean they don’t have a passionate dissent streak running through their… Read more »

davidl
davidl

Yes, I love working with Caps ! We get each other straight away. The best part is they have no fear of actually making shit loads of money. No fear of success ! This weird fear of big success in other sign business partners always confused me.
They are the only sign in business I’ve come across that I trust to share the ‘driving’.

Scorpbot
Scorpbot

that’s a pretty good summation of my Cap rising Prowln 🙂

Scorpbot
Scorpbot

I meant accurate… not good.

Pegasus
Pegasus

Botty 🙂 whatever the art work is…i like it!

Scorpbot
Scorpbot

Francis Bacon Pegs. One of my faves. A scorp too. 🙂

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

I was just thinking about Caps and how hard they’ve got it right now with Pluto in Cap. Then, I was also thinking…. gosh Saturn moves sort of fast like 2 yrs per sign which means at some point, both Saturn and Pluto will be in Cap at the same time. I wonder how that will Pan out?

prowlncrab
prowlncrab

… actually Pluto moves rather slowly and I think will be hanging around in Cap until 2024 or something? The universe couldn’t possibly be that cruel as to have Saturn and Pluto lined up in Cap at the same time. That would be just … evil.

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

Ok i just looked…it won’t be conjunct until like 2019. But at least Saturn will be in a sign it likes….

davidl
davidl

I have Saturn in Cap , 7th house, and for well over 2 years trans Pluto was conjunct my natal Saturn. It was possibly the strangest period of my life relationship wise but the outcome was astounding. The results perfectly opposite to my worst fears and surprisingly it turned out the message was “don’t be so fuqing conservative in your concept of relationships”. Liberation !

hdq
hdq

I mean, David Lynch.

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

did someone say David Lynch? =)

Drowning Capricorn
Drowning Capricorn

Dear Questing, Double, drowning Capricorn here. First, your bit of multiple-personality syndrome is a bit of Saturn Rx talking. Sounds like you have all the makings of big success. A lot of people are creative and have great ideas, but few have the drive or discipline to execute. If that’s conventional, bring it on. Earlier in life, I yearned to be a creative bohemian (Venus in Aquarius talking), but over time I learned how to apply my creative genius (Mercury in Aquarius talking) to my very conventional work and ta-da! Big success!! Remember, Cap sisters-in-spirit Kate Moss and Kate Middleton… Read more »

toroloco
toroloco

My youngest is a Cappy and she’s actually acting her age now rather than being a child with adult mentality lol. The only Capricorns I knkw who act likr Capricorns were all born with a penis. Perhaps because the qualities of Cappo are very traditional masculine.

On a different note, I’m in need of help. I’m not mentally well and I think I’ve reached the peak of that last night. If anyone has any psychological psychotherapy sources, mainly for depression, I would greatly appreciate them. I live in the US. Thank you in advance mystic guardians ?

Ms.
Ms.

There is a lot of throwing in the towel right now re mental health. I’ve had 2 messages from really treasured people (abroad ironically, depression is as normal as breathing in London) who are asking for larger help. I am actually finally making decisions FOR the benefit of my mental health and I would encourage you to do the same. People will pat you here and I am sure your circumstances are legit but its up to you to change the world you live in. Get help, no pills but usually its about looking at why and making changes around… Read more »

toroloco
toroloco

(Sorry. Used old email.)

Thank you Ms. I know I need help. My behavior has been reprehensible lately but no drugs or alcohol have been involved. Maybe starvation, but I’ve been so upset I can’t bring myself to eat. But I don’t want to get into arguments with every other person anymore. I know I need help. I just dont have the resources nor the money, really.
(This is why I don’t have a subscription. My apologies Mystic)

But your words are inspiring. Thanks to all.

Gemyogi
Gemyogi

Where are you? In Aus the first step is to call beyond blue or lifeline. They will refer you. Luckily we do have some free and low cost help available. Please take it. You are not alone. If you have any friends or family to talk to as well, please talk to them. Hugs. You can get through it and you will realise that your mind was unbalanced at this time.

Gemyogi
Gemyogi

Or WIRE which is a free women’s help line, they are really good. Xx

Gemyogi
Gemyogi

Sorry just saw you live in US! Can some lovely US peeps help?

Gemyogi
Gemyogi

I know a fantastic counsellor she lives in Vermont

toroloco
toroloco

I’m not in Vermont but thank you for that list Gemyogi! Hopefully it helps those in Australia.

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

Hi toroloco! I think Ms. meant to not expect all of your answers from a psychiatrist’s pill prescription. And that’s so true. For some prescriptions can be useful short-term in conjunction with counseling to help them get over the hump of physical, chemical imbalance. For many with mood disorders &/or anxiety, adjustment disorders, etc. (without psychosis) psychiatric meds are typically not needed at all, & can actually complicate situations. Think that’s what she meant. Anywho– soz– there exists lots of free & sliding scale cost mental health care in the US. Obviously you have internet access, so google “community mental… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

I don’t intend in getting pills or such. Aside from odd effects, they’re probably costly too. Caffeine shall be my only drug if any lol

I do live in Nowhereville, USA so this is a lot of help! these are great resources! Thanks you!

toroloco
toroloco

^that was me

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

You’re welcome! Strength & peace to you, toroloco. Godspeed xx

prowlncrab
prowlncrab

Dear Toroloco What everyone else said which was excellent advice and I wholeheartedly agree. I would add that this is a choice you must make for yourself. I know that sounds weird because people experiencing mental illness often feel like it’s imposed from the outside. And sure … outside influences may be a factor. However my observation of recovery from a mental health point of view is that somewhere along the line the person makes a decision that enough is enough and they will do WHATEVER it takes to get well and commit to the process 100%. And it is… Read more »

toroloco
toroloco

I have already lost too many people close to me because of my behavior. I will spend my birthday alone because of it. I’m ready to change.

And thank you all. I know we all come for Mystic’s awe-inspiring astrological insights and just astrology, and use it to avoid these very things, but I guess we are all human and even the stars can’t prepare us for what comes. I do thank Mystic for the constant ZZ and LZ warnings regardless. They’ve saved me more times than I can count.

Much love to all.

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

Astro will guide you as you make your way toward better health. Take it from me, health is just another facet of living well that astro will help you navigate, physical and mental health both. xx

Ms.
Ms.

spreadsheets are a modern invention, capricorn is an ancient symbol born of myth relating and astrology. Cap is about boss, to use, to manage. This might be yourself or a corporation, doesn’t’ matter. There is a lot of boring literalists in astro which is why a lot of the general population throw it in the bin if you are not type cast. One of the most creative people I know is a cap. Cap is massive for front men/women in rock. Its all very pan. nothing to do with spreadsheets. Like mystic says, its the suit or pan. I have… Read more »

Gemyogi
Gemyogi

Hmmm, as discussed, my mum is a cap. This doesn’t sound familiar, and I must have a look at her rising, moon etc. I’m not sure she has an exact hour of birth either. She is hard work — the word I associate with her is dissatisfied. Also matyr, my sister called her that, and my bro recently said to me, in his very low key libran way, ‘she’s a nightmare’. This is making her sound like a monster. She had a tough childhood and upbringing, streak of tragedy in her and her mothers lives. Her father and brother alcoholic… Read more »

Libra takeover in the zap zone
Libra takeover in the zap zone

I always fall for Capricorn men. This is my type. They tend tohave this lovely dry sense of humor.

Chitra
Chitra

ahhh Everything up above I have embodied. I am a conceptual designer / painter / creative whatever who moonlights as a business consultant. As any Scorp knows, life has two sides, and Capricorns use both to Become. Life for a Cap rises from the primordial ocean that Pisces dwells in and evolves a la Lamarkian style with the first breaths of reality taken. It’s truly like mountain climbing, clip yourself to something and brace for a few free falls, because the only way out is in.

Cap with a stellium in the 12th house and t square. (bangin I know.)

chitra
chitra

Also Mystic! You’re soul mating book is dead on! I dreamt of him and met him a few weeks later. And the tarot is beautiful. every morning your work helps guide my day. Love, admiration, and many blessings for what you have done.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Too funny you mention Pisces – my ex is a Pisces with Cap rising and a mountain climber – literally. He has no concern for traditional “success” (ie wealth) but he is determined to climb in a way that is either original (first solo, first American to climb x, whatever) or to climb the most famous/challenging/rare peak (ie Everest, Changabang). The point is to make a “notable ascent.” That phrase “notable ascent” seems very Capricorn to me.

Drowning Capricorn
Drowning Capricorn

Love it! Notable ascent. I’ll use it, too. Best to you, Double Drowing Cap

GeminEE
GeminEE

I’ve observed that young Caps are kinda lost and sort of messy when it comes to work. But once they hit their 20s, sometimes mid-20s, they start to pick up their paths in life and by the time they hit their 50s, are in the no-nonsense, efficient, I don’t make mistakes mode.

Sphinx
Sphinx

Weren’t Aqua & Cap both ruled by Saturn? The Caps I have loved have had that off-beat, steely quality that dissolves into a puddle of laughs when you least expect it.

Caps feel like the grand masters of the Zodiac, the conducter of the Zodiac orchestra & possibly the composer of the Symphony of the stars! Everything they do feels perfectly timed though, even their delightful departures from reason.

pi
pi

Capricorns are fuqing awesome. The End.

I think learning to “trust” (the process, your inner sense, your feelings) can be a cap Thing sometimes.

All caps I know ARE mega playful. Wry, delicious brainpower. Also: so kooky.

I think caps have a fundamental sensitivity to The System and like Mystic says, are able to interrogate it and manipulate/use it (in a pragmatic sense) to grow something. An innate awareness of utility.

Xx

blackjosefine
blackjosefine

We are awesome! (I’m a quad-Cap: Sun, Moon, Merc and Lilith all conjunct IC).

That innate awareness of utility is the sword that cuts the wheat from the chaff, leading all the way to the top.

And that famous manipulation of the building blocks of life, means that we are great at manipulating even astrologers into thinking we are just spreadsheets/finances/work work work!

But there are so many profound artist Caps taking the time to learn the techniques, do the work, and show that playful/wry/ironic sense of the world….surely changing the world around you.

Gemma
Gemma

Silver Huang expressed the lovely high Cappieness far more eloquently than I. I’ve always wrestled with my own power (trip cap- sun, mercury and venus) but with age have embraced my unique take on the world and what I can bring to it. It also helps to have a very dear Cap friend to (re)affirm that my thoughts and feelings are not “crazy” or misguided. My Virgo sister (married to a Cap) said she thought that Virgos can’t see the forest for the trees while Caps can’t see the trees for the forest. I’m not sure I agree wholly with… Read more »

GFTpisces
GFTpisces

And of course, ones other placements will effect how one plays out as their sun-sign, as well! Yes, I’m most definitely a Pisces, but with a Leo Asc and Aqua moon, so that’s going to change things a bit! I love me some Caps — three of my favorite people in the world are Caps. One was a hip and beautiful harp player who toured with a major indie band, was like catnip to almost every man who crossed her path, who was also mind-bendingly brilliant (1600 SATs, math major at our prestigious university), as well as a sufferer of… Read more »

whoopdeedoo
whoopdeedoo

Not forgetting that in the whole sign Cap chart, all Caps have Pisces running their 3rd house of mind/comms/routine. (!!) Not at all earthy, yah? With Neptune running that gig for several years, it’s High Intuition and Creativity to Make a New World, or Deceit, Delusion, and Dilettante City. Since Caps hate to put their hand to the plow and not see a crop for their efforts, I’d look at what seeds of Neptune you’ve got in your bag, there. Me personally? I’m a Cap w a Venus-Neptune square. SO hard to get a grip on my own finances and… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

Fabulously put 🙂 love this x

Anonymous
Anonymous

Is pi.^^

Whoopdeedoo
Whoopdeedoo

🙂

virgo kathleen
virgo kathleen

Interesting post. I’m a Virgo with a Cap moon. I am really artistic and getting into a creative field for my career (graphic design). But I’m still not really ‘playful’ and have trouble ‘letting go’ and having fun…to me, Capricorn is Saturn in the background being like ‘you have to be useful and productive’ even as I “let loose” and create art. I don’t know if you find that true. I actually take offense to Capricorn labeled ‘conventional’ and ‘conservative’ as my views are different than most and I like that I’m unique. But then…my aunt is a Capricorn and… Read more »

Silver Huang
Silver Huang

Mystic nailed it. I’ve always associated the fully actualised Capricorn with Power-From-Within a la Starhawk. We can feel like a tornado to people who refuse to keep up. We worship Saturn, consciously or unconsciously, and as such are driven to embrace change, whether a la The Tower or The Wheel Of Fortune. Be stubborn, and you get The Tower. Don’t duck the hard truth and you ride The Wheel like a pro surfer. I have heard of two types of Capricorns: The Materialist and the Esoteric. I’m an Esoteric Capricorn, all of my drive, for as long as I remember,… Read more »

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

Yes, goddess bless the esoteric Cap! Love this, Silver Huang. Love for Starhawk, too 🙂

whoopdeedoo
whoopdeedoo

Yep. Get this.

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

Yes, stealthy agents of systematic change, Caps. I’ve always been drawn to them. One of my brothers, my son, & my Cap friend who indeed worked with Dr King, are some of the noteworthy haute Caps who have graced my life.

Both of my ex husbands are also Caps, but low grade. A sad and insufferable creature, the low Cap… Ah I was younger then & fell in love with their potential rather than their motivation to transcend. Lesson: learned. 😉

Sphinx
Sphinx

Yes, exact conversation I had this morning. A history of choosing the people about me for their potential not their ability that has to end! Next life I am going to incarnate with high vibration peeps only!
I imagine haute caps being discerning that way, need to channel some cap energy.

hdq
hdq

And astrology makes this 10x worse. “Ooh, look at that grand fire kite anchored by Jupiter… I just KNOW he’ll be the most brilliant artist ever…”
Sigh. I want to join your here-and-now club, but I know that I’ll most likely end up trying to rescue the next lost beautiful loser who makes puppy eyes at me. 🙁

Sphinx
Sphinx

Set the intent gurrrl! Problem is I think that when we are on our way in to this world and choosing who to hang out with here we are too easy going & full of lovingness and like, ‘cool, you wanna play? I can do that! You really sparkly!”. Then we get here and are like, “oh well this sux”.

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