Courtney Does Jupiter

Coutney Love in red dress and hat

What Courtney Love did do was live wild. She took drugs and trusted others could look after themselves. She flirted with self-destruction. She got into fights. She burned with ambition. She flaunted her sexuality and was upfront with her desire. What she did, in other words, was behave like male rock stars always have.

From Love and Loathing – The Price Courtney Love Paid For A Wild Ride – SMH  by Simon Castles

So it is the Zap Zone deluxe and all of a sudden Courtney Love feels relevant again. Insanely relevant.

She has the Uranus Pluto conjunction in Virgo square Mars in Gemini – that’s like she comes with her own personal Zap Zone (non stop catharsis, automatic revolutionary setting) installed as part of her default factory settings.  And you know, her troubled and flamboyant past has been intensively documented, not least of all by herself.

But here she is in 2014 – apparently working Jupiter on her Cancerian Sun + Mars/Uranus squaring it and Pluto opposing it with massive elan. Not only that, she has Mars on her Libra Ascendant & Saturn opposite Jupiter, Neptune on her Saturn – super strong transits for anyone.

But has she degenerated into old-era Courtney, smudged eyeliner showing up at events in grunge baby Goth Doll nighties to stalk C-List celebrities? Like Beth in Black Swan?  Is she on Space Dust with Lindsay Lohan or sitting in dark corner bars bitching about injustice in the 90s?

No way. She appears to be zapping the Zap Zone straight back:

* clean, sober & serene for several years – i think maybe her Twitter is just naturally eccentric, she has Lilith in Sagittarius in the 3rd House – that’s a mouthy bitch lol.

* apparently having forged a strong relationship with her now-adult daughter – the very Leo Frances Bean.

* Reuniting her band Hole.

* Planning a Broadway Musical based on Nirvana/Kurt Cobain.

I think this is all epic – she has fought her way through SO much schizz – yes i read the full on Poppy Z Brite bio – and is still standing, still hustling, still here.

Thoughts?

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Sooo many men who love Kurt, hate Courtney–She’s like a Yoko Ono figure in grunge. Bless her and her transformation.

joel farseer
joel farseer

Hi, Mystic. I’m a long-time reader, first-time poster. I’ve seen you mention Lilith a few times recently. Just wondering which one exactly you’re referring to? <3

hdq
hdq

Ah, I loved her from day one, but then i was a grunge baby too. Live Through This will always be near the top of my list. I like her rawness, her honesty, and her mess. Like Calypso said, the messier, the better. If you’re gonna be a rock star, then by all means go all the way. Love that typical male rock star quote, and how true it is!! Women are allowed to act that way if they’re obscure, but once they get too visible, nuh uh. Smackdown by the normies. UNacceptable. We gots synastry too- her mars-Venus on… Read more »

calypso
calypso

I love Stevie, but I just listened to Live Through This again and it’s a good album! Now onto PJ 🙂

Interesting thing is, Patti was like the original grunge rocker. Am I making schizz up now? I don’t think there’s any point comparing in a who is better way….no-one can touch her.

hdq
hdq

I totally agree. Nobody will ever, ever even come close to Patti. A post on her would be heavenly. But it’s unfair to compare anyone to her- it’s like saying, well, heh, that Krishnamurti, well he’s no Buddha, is he, heh heh heh. Ridiculous!!!

earthmonkey
earthmonkey

Patti Smith cut the scene in ’60s NYC, while grunge belongs to Seattle. Grandmother of punk they call her…

hdq
hdq

Godmother, and ’70s, to be an obnoxious little snit… ;P

calypso
calypso

yeah, I know….but she was pretty grungey, non?

calypso
calypso

is! tat’s what I’m saying, she was grunge before Seattle

earthmonkey
earthmonkey

Mystic, it might be timely to do a post on Patti Smith! She & Courtney are poles apart ! (literally-Capricorn & Cancer) These are 2 very different artists for sure…
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/patti-smith-interview-the-godmother-of-punk-talks-the-bible-noah-and-what-really-makes-her-angry-9233372.html

Scorpbot
Scorpbot

Yes!! C’mon. Someone of substance please.
Tired of the shallow pop celebrity posts – Lady Gaga, Miley, Katy Perry etc etc.

Numoon
Numoon

I am getting a Mary-Kate and Ashley vibe from the pic…

crabbygirl
crabbygirl

I always knew she was a Cancer but indeed a dark one..really she doesn’t seem like a typical Cancer, or any water sign. She is way too attention-seeking and she seems over-bearing . I feel the Gemini craziness about her and Virgo control-freak aspect..but there must be some other stuff in her chart that is taking away from caring-nurturing-creative-secretive cancer or it could just be the over-indulgence in drugs! She looks very different in this picture…almost pretty.

hdq
hdq

I think it is the gem stuff plus Leo mercury on her mc. Neptune-Pallas-Juno in 1st house scorp fits, eh?

orion
orion

I agree on Courtney being sooo relevant right now.
Didn’t know she had sun and moon in Cancer, one of the most difficult signs.
Cancer has been on my mind lately because Jupiter there is taking part in the grand water trine and cardinal square, so I imagined the god Jupiter sort of standing at the gate, nodding “yes” or “no” when meeting each piece of information coming his way, in other words, sending it into the cross or into the trine. But could as well be Courtney calling the shots lol.

LiberatingVenus
LiberatingVenus

Ah, yes – nothing like a Saturn transit thru the 1st to make you get your shit together (again)!

X-D

maru67
maru67

I think she’s an Aspie?

Don’t care what others say, I’ve always liked her.

S
S

My only question is: Charles where the bloody hell are ya? Your comments are priceless. 🙂

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

Ah he’s probably busy dating her again

S
S

I thought it was a blind date, that never eventuated.

Was thinking that the title of this thread was pure MM gold…since when was Jupiter Dallas 😉

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

gotta be big?

Charles
Charles

I’m staying out of it.

I looked at Saturn cycles and when I met Courtney, she was probably about 21, not even up to her 3/4 Saturn Return. I was older and my Saturn Return was approaching.

Pegasus
Pegasus

LOL 🙂

S
S

G’day Charles,
Staying out of Courtney, a wise decision.

Thanks for sharing the images of all your Mum’s art books {for a Toro stacker you made it look like work of a Virgo-Cap}. I’d happily take them off your paws if only geography and economics weren’t a factors.

Centaurus
Centaurus

Spooky! I was just looking at a youtube video interview of her last night! Was actually looking for Malibu to listen to the riff but saw the interview and I actually enjoyed it. Yeah, she’s in your face, yeah she’s controversial and previously openly messy and not always together but I find myself liking her even when she’s shocking me. She’s rock ‘n roll. On an early BDO tour in Melbourne, late 90’s I think she went wandering the streets of Ascot Vale (near the showgrounds – event venue) and wandered into my mates tattoo shop off her nut (allegedly)… Read more »

Centarus
Centarus

The interview …

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

Centaurus, i could just hear this whole post in your lovely husky voice. Rocker with an edge! i hope you’re on the climb because it sounds like the last few months have been flipping hell at work. In a few weeks my space will be truly my own, so i hope to hear your rock-chick lady-voice in person again xxx

How did i never pay attention to the fact you’re Pluto conjunct Uranus?? Awesome

Pegasus
Pegasus

O Millie, you have heard Centaurus’s voice?
On youtube anywhere?
Let me know if ever a gig in Adders. There WILL be one day at The Governor Hotel, who nourish live music.

Centaurus
Centaurus

Mille I’m so happy to hear you’re nearly in your new home! Yay!! Exciting times for you hun. It’s been rather torturous. I’ve gone to the edge and returned or been burnt and re-engineered my being. Something like that. I think that’s why the zap isn’t bugging me right now. I’ve come through a pre-zap and although I’m watching everyone else start to rattle I’m almost a bit smug. Not in an arrogant way but I know I can ride this wave even when others are trying to pull me from my board to grab it themselves hehehehe. It’ll just… Read more »

Scorpbot
Scorpbot

Don’t like her music. I never got into the grunge scene. I was doing electron dance parties and raves around that time.

There’s nothing about her that’s even remotely appealing. I’ll never warm to her.

Veronica
Veronica

I gotta disagree with you on this one (usually have similar taste I’ve noticed) I like her music, Live through this played a lot in my rock and roll days. And I wouldn’t mind knowing her socially, I find that rebellion and unpredictability entertaining (must be my Mars Pluto Uranus conjuct). Maybe wouldn’t want to share a house with her… Also, I know a few Cancerian grand -dames like this who just completely speak their minds and I think they’ve earned it, with life experience. I didn’t recognise her in the top photo, her nose is so different it looks… Read more »

Pegasus
Pegasus

That pix is NOT her, it’s been radically altered.

Scorpbot
Scorpbot

It’s fine if you disagree. We can’t all agree on the same music or artists. I have the Mars Pluto Uranus conduct too but my Mars is 0º, so it’s not an exact conjunction. I’ve also got Uranus square Saggo moon in 11th house, so love rebellion and unpredictability too. But I think other artists do it much better and with more class than Courtney. Patti Smith (my #1 inspiration) Chrissy Amphlett Kim Gordon (Sonic Youth) PJ Harvey Grace Jones Karen O from The Yeah Yeah Yeahs – she’s freakin’ awesome!!! 😛 All strong and feisty and inspiring, not gross.… Read more »

calypso
calypso

I love all those chicks too Scorpy.

I don’t love or hate CL, but she IS intriguing to me, and frankly, I only really like her when she is going off! That weird? Malibu? Meh. Live Through This? Bring that schizz on.

calypso
calypso

like, maybe she did more to break the mainstream, repressed mould for women than the others and I think she was important for that. I really was a grunge baby though 🙂

Scorpbot
Scorpbot

Nah Patti Smith did it before her. I was an electro / techno / trance baby – Saturn in Aqua. Courtney born same year as me but she has Saturn in Pisces. NN in cancer. That’s a lot of water! I think my experience with the Crab guy has put me off cancer energy. That pass agg but mainly pass. All the guilting and sooky goo goo stuff. It’s opposite my Cap asc and square my Saggo moon and I’m having a Saturn transit, so all like “toughen the fuq up and quit your whining. I don’t have time to… Read more »

calypso
calypso

Saturn in Taurus probably = grunge, right?

yeah, I hear you re: Patti but she’s less out there, in everybody’s face. I agree with you about her face though, love her no-concessions personal style.

Someone below is right on about this having a MK and Ashley vibe. I didn’t realise she’d had work done, thought she looked aged with dignity. Not that having your nose done = dignity! she look like she has her schizz together and hurrah for that 🙂

hdq
hdq

I literally have two friends who know patti. one is of the ’65 ZZ generation and the other is not American. I was introduced to her at a young ago by my father, but I am an anomaly. Whereas every kid who was in high school in the early ’90s, and to a degree, everyone after, knows and has an opinion on CL. Mainstream boundary-pushers are necessary and good too…

calypso
calypso

yeah? wow. she IS my idol! I saw her live and she was trans – transcendent and transformational. Rock shaman <3

I have a friend who looks like her and interestingly she's Cancer. It's the Yin/Yang axis? Look at CL above. Even though she's all styled and respectabled up. Strong face.

hdq
hdq

She’s mine too, hands down, the rest of the world can go home. Oh patti. Rock shaman for sure- that must have been INCREDIBLE to see her!!! I don’t think she’s leaving this lifetime soon though (knock knock), so hopefully I’ll get to experience that too. In the documentary about her, the name of which escapes me, after Robert and Fred died and she’s sorta wandering about her home, she has a Frieda kahlo photograph, and I’ve had that same photo on my altar for years, and I broke down sobbing with the weight of love and connection. We have… Read more »

Centaurus
Centaurus

I am currently navigating a Saggi sun/asc with a Kataka moon and I believe I understand some of what you speak. I’m finding it really frustrating. For all the Saggi directness there is an indirectness and a shift of responsibility (really refraining from using the word blame here .. but I said it anyway) from him owning his own stuff to me being responsible for his reactions. Wtf?

Scorpbot
Scorpbot

I feel your pain 🙂

That moody Cancer moon must diffuse the indefatigable Saggo spirit.

Then again, Saggos have also been known for shirking their responsibilities.

He must have a high emotional intelligence with that moon?

Centaurus
Centaurus

I think so, or I’d like to think so. Being a Saggi I agree on the shirk thing. Put two together and well I don’t know. My Cap moon opposite isn’t always up for catering either 🙂

Scorpbot
Scorpbot

ah, Cap moon. *nods* No wonder! 😀

Centaurus
Centaurus

Further to that list.. which absolutely has some influential women and talent I would also include Adalita in the mix. I got to see her and a few other bands including Stonefield, which were impressive actually, at an industry cd launch courtesy of a friend late last year. The woman has presence, just her and her axe and that voice. Everyday Venus.. it’s good 🙂

Scorpbot
Scorpbot

of course!! Adalita is HOT!!

She was on my mind as I was writing the list – which wasn’t meant to be definitive.

Centaurus
Centaurus

I had a bunch of ladies my mind but out of them all she seemed to fit that list so I stopped myself 🙂

SourPatch
SourPatch

I’m a crab with mars square uranus/saturn conjunction. I can sorta relate to the painful rebellion. I love the song Violet too. She looks great here.

Nr
Nr

I always am in awe of Uranus+Pluto conjunct in Virgo peeps. My Mars in Virgo adores.

pi
pi

Ifl Courtney. Thats some great styling going on there. The intensity is still there in the face. Live through this was my soundtrack in my late teens. And fuq yeah, to behaving like a male rock star. There are a few out there my lilith in 11th house lives for. Abbe May a present day example! And yes PJ Harvey . It’s my secret burning desire to be this person. Ahhh

Pegasus
Pegasus

That image just does not look like her at all. In fact so distant from what she really looks like, it’s hard to believe anything about her as there is no honesty in the photo.

earthmonkey
earthmonkey

yep, could be anybody under that hat

hdq
hdq

Mine too. 🙂

Sphinx
Sphinx

Courtney is so tragic, like she comes from such place of painful rebellion. But her astro sounds Uranus-Pluto squ Mars sounds really intense. After reading a few pages from that book linked, I feel a bit more for her. And I didn’t realise she had Moon, Sun & NN in Cancer, that’s really intense! Maybe her past life she was a mogul & this time round she was meant to understand nourishing others. Maybe that’s simplistic, but I love Kataka energy for it’s gentleness and femininity. They mention she may have had a touch of Asperger’s in that book, certainly… Read more »

Ainslie
Ainslie

Saw her live.. Absolute rock god.. In the likes of paddy smith, pj Harvey..

I know wild : ) it takes insurmountable courage to flirt so closely with danger and win : )

Looking forward to women collectively recognizing the power entrusted by the universe ( sex and survival of our species).

It’s time : )

Sphinx
Sphinx

Interesting, some artists are great in the studio but disappoint live, that’s cool she works it.

earthmonkey
earthmonkey

To be true I don’t think Courtney is anywhere near the calibre of Patti Smith…artist, poet, trailblazer, wise woman & capricorn!
Courtney is way more haphazard & is pretty damn scuzzy when it comes to media & artifice. That pic of her is so generic, its making me think the day has come that Courtney just got real boring. The only reason she’s buzzing about is coz its Cobain’s 20th year anniversary of taking his own life.

calypso
calypso

“Live through this” sounds like something Pluto might say….

she looks great and good for her too. I like the perspective that quote gives, it takes a lot of criticism of her to task.

LeoEscapeArtist
LeoEscapeArtist

Yes, Live Though This is my mantra. It’s not easy being Courtney. There is a great vintage pic of Courtney with Aqua Anita Pallenberg..count me in.

Pegasus
Pegasus

Ahhh Anita Pallenberg as the Black Queen in Barabarella, smoking the ‘essence of man’, a scene never to be forgotten.

Libra takeover in the zap zone
Libra takeover in the zap zone

Her sun is conjunct her south node. I think that’s why she tends towards the cray cray in the past. But seems like she is growing out of that. Tori Amos, a Leo, never liked her and even wrote a song about her.

Fishgirl
Fishgirl

Libra, what song did Tori write about her? I love both of them. Hole ‘Live Through This’ was my first CD, followed by Tori’s Under The Pink! I saw them both live the same year. Quite different styles…!

echo-echo
echo-echo

yes, what song?

Libra zz takeover
Libra zz takeover

Professions widow. Album: boys for pele.

Libra zz takeover
Libra zz takeover

Correction: professional widow. Not a nice title, right?

scorpio_rising
scorpio_rising

They both dated Trent Reznor at one point- could have started a fight between the two.
Courtney you either love her or hate her she’s very melodramatic and polarizing person.
I knew her in Seattle she was a livewire and had mood swings when drunk, high or coming down from a high.

Happy cappy
Happy cappy

Tori Amos for the win. I always liked her music better. Even on her bad days she shows a real creative spark and vitality.

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Lexicorn
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