Saturn Return In Aquarius

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George Hoyningen-Huene, Lee Miller, Crystal ball

This short paragraph by Joan Didion is literally the best and most evocative description of Saturn Return in Aquarius ever.  It’s from an essay she wrote explaining why she decided to leave her adopted city of New York at the age of 29.

 

All I ever did to that apartment was hang fifty yards of yellow theatrical silk across the bedroom windows, because I had some idea that the gold light would make me feel better, but I did not bother to weight the curtains correctly and all that summer the long panels of transparent golden silk would blow out  the windows and get tangled and drenched in afternoon thunderstorms.

 

That was the year, my twenty-eighth, when I was discovering that not all of the promises would be kept, that some things are in fact irrevocable and that it had counted after all, every evasion and ever procrastination, every word, all of it.

I still get cold chills reading that last sentence. It is so Saturnine.

What I love about this, aside from her eloquent poetry, is that her Saturn is square Mercury. So she had Saturn Return in Aquarius, and that squared her natal Mercury in Scorpio. She turned her melancholy and difficult decision into an iconic essay. It quickly attained classic cult status and established her as a writer of note.

The return of the Time God to his natal placement accentuated that terse square alignment, eventually evoking this great work.

And, beautifully, Mercury is her ruler. She’s Gemini Rising.

Joan Didion – Goodbye To All That

 

Image: George Hoyningen-Heune

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limbforest

to a person at their 29 deciding to leave my adopted city of New York, this is extremely chilling to read!! I gotta go dig out that essay of hers!

VFS
VFS

I feel like I have missed out, my first return was only for a month, so the chart said on astro.com. Things have been relatively smooth, that said, I am facing my addictions head on like a ram should. faaaaaarq.
Let’s hope there are some blessings and light at the end of that dark tunnel. Very little upheaval and chaos that I’ve seen my friends and foes endure.
That said, I turn 30 soon, in April, up on Everest, there is plenty of time to WOAH NELLY.
Love all your stories and wisdoms. x

Kim
Kim

Ah yes, on my 28th birthday 2 legal firms took my case against the government on, after 7 years of having no one help me. Now, many years later, reflection on that, statute of limitations, the ruling class and other issues are at the fore. Along with the personal impact. All affirmation of what’s written in your post.

The question is, when does it all get better.

Hayley
Hayley

At around 28, I lost my father my grandfather and a best friend. My three year thunderstorm of love quickly faced demise, following. I was well aware of Saturn, having been avidly tracking my astro since 16, but also because of the loss of father figures reminding me it was up to me now. The reconciliation, the need to be my own foundation and to create my own structures in the world. I worked like a madwoman – never stopping to grieve, totally throwing myself into ambition, recognition and trying to create something lasting. Almost 10 years later I see… Read more »

Happy Cow
Happy Cow

HA…. had my 3rd baby at 27 my first was 3 years old I was totally immersed in baby world we moved out to the bush for 3 years during my Saturn return raising my bush babies on 160 acres surrounded by uninhabited bush blocks with no electricity no running water I felt totally powerful and strong … best time of my life…. running around looking for awesome dirt and mud spots for my three little boys to play in… collecting flowers… making things to catch water….for boys to splash in… making cubbies…. making a shack into a home…. home… Read more »

Pegasus
Pegasus

Happy Cow that frolicked with her bush babies. What a beautiful story of the life you created there. Real Life to be proud of indeed!

andromeda
andromeda

Ha! I love this!
Oh to be 27 with a passel of baby boys – if I did it over again I might do it your way too! 😀

SolanaJess
SolanaJess

It is so helpful to read these postings. My Saturn return began in December, and, strangely enough, it seemed to be ushered in by a sugar, caffeine, carb detox. I experienced some severe fevers that were probably a candida die-off reaction, and just haven’t been the same ever since. I just stopped being able to get out of bed every day and lie to myself. So far I’ve realized that my job is a dead-end job, and my relationship just ended yesterday, because it was built more upon fantasy and idealization than anything else. Most of all, I’m realizing that… Read more »

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Go with the freedom! I quit smoking Monday and when I get that addict feeling I think “its never getting any better. It never was any better. It never will be any better.” No more striving for a feeling to go away, or to have some feeling I never really had, you know? There is a lot of freedom in that. I have faith that once you let go of love in your mind, you will find it in your life. Good luck.

SolanaJess
SolanaJess

That’s so sweet! Thank you. Isn’t it weird how connected the body is to our emotional development too? When I did that sugar detox I also realized that the same addict-feeling I would get around sugar would come up when I felt like I needed to call my boyfriend just to make sure that things were “OK.” Who knew that co-dependence and sugar addiction could be so related. Good luck to you too.

WOOHOO
WOOHOO

There is a contentious debate linking willpower to glucose – low levels have been linked to lack of self control. I can subscribe to it as I find it applicable in my life.

Blue Moon
Blue Moon

Ooooh I’m so proud of you 12th House Virgo xx

akapluto
akapluto

Right there with you, on every point! Except after my candida detox I had a total relapse due to having my heart broken (I also have a bunch of psych problems with food, so the not so gentle cutting out of foods led to terrible binging. The next attempt will have to be when I’m in a better place). It is very important to have that realization about parental love. Epic, really. I think once we grieve once and for all we can move on, maybe even have better relationships. My years of trying to earn my parent’s love only… Read more »

SolanaJess
SolanaJess

Greif is such a good word for it. During my detox I swear that I had a moment of feeling my birth mother leaving me, and this total panic of “but I can’t live without you!” I was an infant when I was given up for adoption, but I think that I was still traumatized by the departure of the one thing that was supposed to keep me physically and emotionally alive. During my detox this feeling just passed through my body, like an emotional memory or something and I started to grieve/cry in a way that I never had… Read more »

calypso
calypso

you sound so self aware – and like you’re doing great….I think this is going to be a really productive transit for you! and you and AKAPluto have helped me catalyse something about my own issue with unavailable men – thanks 🙂

Vslr
Vslr

Interesting discussion. I went to the doctors today. I may have IBS…tests to be done on monday and we’ll take it from there. It feels good to actually be heard for the first time and not be dismissed as a hypochondriac.

I did cut down on sugar for a while before and have reintroduced it but in small quantities. Nothing like before, i was a total addict. Tea is my addiction right now. Just the thought of giving it up makes me teary eyed. Lol.

andromeda
andromeda

Just fabulous your insight here SolanaJ.
I feel emotional just reading this, thank you for sharing it, xx.

Blue Moon
Blue Moon

Oh gawd. Candida is just awful!
I sure you know about the anti candida diet so I won’t bleat on about it but. Ugh
So very Pluto, Pluto xoxo

LEF
LEF

Thank you, SJ for posting. Your words about your quest to find parental love touch deep places for me (… Haha, I have nothing light – sun, moon, uranus in Scorpio/ 12th). The abuse, her addiction … I wondered if someday she would snap out of it. How could she behave that way to her child? …. It’s not her who was going to snap out of it – it’s me. … And your post was a great reminder. Many thanks 🙂

cococancer
cococancer

haunting

Veronica
Veronica

Don’t remember exactly what happened at which dates, but at 30, after we had been to Mexico and U.S for 8 months travelling, came back to Sydney with the Aquarian I had spent most of my 20s with. We were living in a nice little flat at Bronte and one Saturday night we were home watching ‘The Bill’ on TV and I just had a distinct thought, something like, “there’s more to life than this…” We split not long after, and a few years later I left Sydney to live in a city where I didn’t know anyone, and that… Read more »

Andromeda
Andromeda

You really do write in such a visual way V, love it.
Going to live in a city where you are a stranger in a strangely land.. can be very twilight zone-ish. Really defining.. a Saturn characteristic, 😉 .

Veronica
Veronica

That is a compliment coming from you, A! Didn’t want to write on here for ages cos there are a few of you here that are so able to distill and convey so much nuance with words…but I have a go anyway 🙂 Funnily enough, I used to love that stranger in a strange land sensation. Sometimes I have fallen in love with a city (eg Barcelona) in the way that one does with a person, with a urgent sense that there is so much to discover. I am not wanting to uproot in a major way at all these… Read more »

calypso
calypso

your contributions are so welcome V! you are yourself that which you have admired 😀

Veronica
Veronica

Aaaw, Fanks C, Xxx 🙂

Scorpbot
Scorpbot

“stranger in a strange land sensation”

I love that too – venus in lIbra in 9th house and Saggo moon.

Never lived in another city bedsides Sydney though. I was born in Europe so Australia is the country I fell in love with at age 6. Can’t imagine living anywhere else.

I love short trips too.

Oh… and I enjoyed reading your comment too

Veronica
Veronica

Scorpbot, there is a lot of your astro that I can really really relate to, I have often thought that whilst reading your comments, and sharing similar experiences when we were younger.

My thought about you recently has been it’s going to be amazing seeing something totally engage that mars Pluto Venus in the 8th of yrs. With that placement, and you being a Scorp, it HAS to be total passion or forget about it. Be it a person or an idea, or art school, or art

Scorpbot
Scorpbot

yes!! feel the same!
..and that 1984 Saturn post was wonderful – everyone trippin down memory lane.

Pluto/Venus? You mean transiting PLuto/Venus?
Or maybe you mean my Pluto / Uranus/ Mars in Virgo in 8th.

My natal Venus is in 9th

I have Eros conjunct my Sun too. Too much passion sometimes.
Thank goodness I have a creative outlet. Otherwise I might end up in jail. LOL.

Veronica
Veronica

Soz, meant Uranus not Venus!

gbs
gbs

Speaking of Saturn, it’s camped out for the next month or so over my Sun-Neptune conjunction (and the transit doesn’t end until November). Ackkk!

Does anyone have advice for Saturn over Neptune? The transit of my Sun I can handle, but Neptune in the mix has me feeling completely in the doldrums. I can’t tell if my assessment of my life at the moment is piercingly accurate or exaggeratedly pessimistic.

Veronica
Veronica

GBS, Saturn has recently gone over my Neptune, (went over my moon last year) and I have been finding that Saturn is structuring my creativity in a good way.

As in, am sitting down regularly drawing and painting more than I have in years, and I have sorted out all paints and other materials. I know where absolutely everything is…

Saturn doesn’t have to be a lead balloon, it can be supportive and construct good foundations

Gemyogi
Gemyogi

You PIABs are amazing! All this Saturn return prompted me to try and find my journals from that time c 1993, but no luck so far. At 28-30 I’d resigned from boring but safe public service job to study professional writing and editind, entering a world of creative types poets and novelists. Really enjoyed it. I planned to be an editor but realised in Melbourne you either worked for Penguin in f-ing Ringwood! or textbook publishers… And publishing was badly paid and full of grumpy middle aged women. Not my scene. Ended up getting a job at a photocopy shop… Read more »

Gemyogi
Gemyogi

*the PS job
Fuq autocorrect! As a proofreader, typos really piss me off

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

Saturn return: pfft! At that time i returned home from a years-long vision quest with a fresh game plan that included becoming a mom. To some it looked like i’d done a complete 360, but no: I was only adding to my empire. I say pfft because so much is made of the Saturn return– look out here it comes!– & when it was happening for me I didn’t even realize it. I just followed my heart, followed the signs, & there I was and all was Beautiful. Yes my life changed drastically during that time, but it was change… Read more »

Andromeda
Andromeda

You had a lovely Saturn Return! That is how I feel now, even though Saturn is on my Moon and I am working hard emotionally, I know what course to follow.. Good work doll!

Pegasus
Pegasus

The next lover is at 86?? Probably but 86 is the next SR. O for joy, not.

Aquarianne
Aquarianne

Plenty of lovers in the interim and your most spectacular toy boy at 86 – all on your own terms

WOOHOO
WOOHOO

This post couldn’t come at a more timelier… time. I’ve just finished work, been balling my eyes out feeling sorry for myself. Came on here and reading through these has – I don’t want to say cheered me up, but thrown some perspective into my face which has cheered me up. I’m almost 27, Pluto is smashing the shite out of me sitting in my first house opposing and squaring everything – I am a walking Zap Zone. I’ve been a walking Zap Zone for years and it’s drained me. Not sure where I was going with this anymore, but,… Read more »

Pegasus
Pegasus

Hey honey, we are all alone in this together.
Or all together in this alone.
Don’t cry for me Agentina, just weep, it’s another thing we can do better than men :-).

Seems we are all feeling shifts and in all areas, animal vegetable & mineral.
Play that Pharells song Happy on repeat. Fake it till you make it, think the planet may be doing that ascension thing that was predicted, so hang loose and smile 🙂

WOOHOO
WOOHOO

Weep… hahaha, my Dad thinks I’m a hardass so he will never admit when I’m crying – he will only ever call me “weepy”.

I’ll have to youtube the song – I can’t think of how it goes off the top of my head. I’ll wait until I have some decent internet though.

Veronica
Veronica

Daft Punk featuring Pharrell Williams, ‘Get Happy’ Brilliant song!

WOOHOO
WOOHOO

Oh yeah! Of course I know that song! I always just think of Daft Punk – I forgot that it was Pharrell featured in it.

Andromeda
Andromeda

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGlKJ8CHAg4

Hope MM has a peep at his Pharrell’s chart for us. Sun-Chiron-Venus conjunction in Aries. Mars conj Jupiter! Energy + Work ethic with NN in Cap. He says he is lazy, ha!

Veronica
Veronica

I find something about his energy so charming!

Andy
Andy

Sun-Venus is delish, my Cap has that conjunction & he’s edible. But yeah, I like PW a lot, he is humble seeming & sweet.

Blue Moon
Blue Moon

Hey Pegs I actually had a dream recently that I WAS Eva Peron and I was feeding the people! Lol
Don’t cry for me Argentina was playing all through the dream. It was pretty hilarious. I woke up laughing at the grandiosity of my own unconscious. 🙂

Pegasus
Pegasus

Second Saturn return and the black hole in the universe brought me Butch. As i was so into Tanttra then, finally understood what was meant by The Sacred & the Profane. The crown meets the root. The root wins. A Bad Boy in his 40’s. Divorced with 2 girls by 2 different women and kevetching about paying support because if he didn’t have to pay that he could have a Monaro. A Sagg Kung Fu-ing Sheriff no less, and we know how David Carradine died. For those who don’t know: in a Bangkok hotel room by auto-erotique asphyxiation), so maybe… Read more »

Blue Moon
Blue Moon

Whoa
I always had a crush on David Caradine.
Is it wrong that the way he died turns me on?
Lol

Oh dear

Blue Moon
Blue Moon

realiseD

for once

just

once
could I post a comment with no hideous typos?
Despite having mars in virgo, apparently not!

Not going to re read that comment.
The first line was enough.
No self guilting allowed today!

Pegasus
Pegasus

Another Mars in Virgo ‘it has to be aligned, beautiful and O so correct or it upsets my equilibrium?’
Otherwise known as Eagle Eyes…lol.

Blue Moon
Blue Moon

Yes!
Or hasty fingers
I blame all my sag for that.
I press “post” in haste

Maria
Maria

I went to the Uk and married a guy who was in Australia on an army tour for 6 months on my first Saturn return. I actually thought saturn return was 29 years. Iam now 57 and must of had my second return but missed it!!!

whoopdeedoo
whoopdeedoo

The Saturn Return is more like a season rather than one specific year. Beginning about year 28 is one end of the season and year 30ish is probably the back end of the it. Though, most people probably start feeling the shift somewhere in year 27. Because…

What astrologers don’t usually mention is the SR is preceded by a Progressed Moon Return to the Natal Moon, a transit that sets up the emotional themes of the oncoming SR. It’s like a major developmental/emotional reset for your life.

The Progressed Moon bit was what really rang my bell.

GFTpisces
GFTpisces

Oh wow, that is really interesting about the progressed moon — totally makes sense. I remember looking up my progressed moon, in fact, just about 6 months ago, trying to figure out why I had been feeling like all of the air had gone out of me, and sure enough, the actual air in my chart had gone out of whack, as the only real air in my chart at all is my Aqua moon conjunct my natal Pisces sun, and lo and behold, I saw my prog moon had slipped into Pisces at the beginning of the year. I… Read more »

GFTpisces
GFTpisces

Interesting about the emotional themes…looks like my prog moon went conjunct my natal moon almost exactly two years ago…hmm…will have to think on that.

Raché(Aqua/Tauri)
Raché(Aqua/Tauri)

Oh, wow! I just turned 27 this month and my progressed moon is just 4 degrees away from my natal moon in Taurus. I am definitely feeling the shift. I don’t know much about the philosophy behind the progressed chart, off to research.

saggoscorp girl
saggoscorp girl

Is it possible to have a delayed Saturn Return. I was so unaware of everything I dont think I started to realise this untill I was about mmmm 33….

Blue Moon
Blue Moon

omg me too!!!

Blue Moon
Blue Moon

I realise the “love of my life” total assburger but I will love him forever (somebody kill that zombie!) No no but it is just a friendship/crush now. Anyway we had been together for 5 years and I discovered that he’d been “cheating” on me with absolutely EVERY other model I knew and or worked with, travelled with, had casually gotten wasted with (and yes, honestly I’d slept with a few of them and their boyfriends too) anyway this was off the charts sex addiction from his end. I’m no angel but christ I loved this man. Still do but… Read more »

catfish moon
catfish moon

NOthing here sounds like a saturn return, this is way too much drama for saturn.
No wonder your saturn return seemed unnoticed, it would be considering what followed.

Blue Moon
Blue Moon

Ha! Good point Catfish
Was sorry to hear about your friend.
RIP <3
Hope you feel ok today xoxo

catfish moon
catfish moon

oh hon. Thank you.
was worried after I wrote that that if came off judgemental, which it so was not, so glad you didn’t take it that way!

Feeling much better.

catfish moon
catfish moon

I was my mom’s saturn return baby, born 5 days before her 29th birthday. Both of our saturns and suns are in a clump in Cancer.

Torro’s daughter, the Leo redhead, was born at his saturn return.

Andromeda
Andromeda

My Saturn Return was text-book. The life I had constructed was pulled out from under me like a rug. Went on a holiday and came back to my partner in business & love, who had changed. It didn’t help Pluto was on my NN & on his Sun/Neptune. I had to keep working with him, realising slowly, he had cheated with.. everyone available! Chump factor 10!! I was such a Love Zombie. Ugh, so embarrassing looking back. Even a local psychic admonished me, “Be a proud woman! My God, look at yourself!”. It was hellish. I even became anorexic! That… Read more »

S
S

Saturn Return if you can remember it you weren’t really there.

calypso
calypso

lol 🙂

Scorpbot
Scorpbot

wouldn’t that apply more to Neptune? 🙂

Elise
Elise

I fell in love with my Leo husband in 2006 during his Saturn return…. he very stubbornly tried to resist learning every lesson Saturn threw at him. It was beautiful and perfect.

I have a stellium in Sagittarius starting with Saturn at 3 degrees…. I could use some discipline so hopefully this will be a beautiful process for me too! Hopefully with less resistance from me!!!

Pegasus
Pegasus

Went to prison for 2 years & 10 days. In Belgium.
My boobs weren’t big enough to get publicity 🙂

Veronica
Veronica

Wowsers !!! 0_0

Scorpbot
Scorpbot

What for Pegs? 😯

Was something transiting your 12th at the time?

Pegasus
Pegasus

How do i find that out just for astro info co-incidence? 23/5/78 @ 11 am Bruxelles airport time?
But you know i have 12th house Cap rising & Venus?

Lets call it tax evasion Scorpbot. One doesn’t take Boogie Boards to Belgium, so use your imagination:-)

Second SR bought me Butch. *sigh* Saturn’s lessons, huh. Nataly in Leo i do BIG MISTAKES,
(with my hair looking fab of course & well dressed) and as my have saying goes ‘it took courage to do some of the things i wished i hadn’t done’.

Scorpbot
Scorpbot

“Big mistakes” LOL

I know a Saggo guy who spent 2 nights in jail in Czechoslovakia while on holiday!!
He has natal Venus conjunct Saturn in 12th!!

To do your transits for that date – go to Astro.com and select “extended chart selection”
I presume you know how to do your chart with transits?
Mystic’s first DIY hack shows you how. Anyway, under “Options” you’ll see the current date, just select the day / month / year you’re want transits for, then select “natal chart and transit”

Pi
Pi

love it pegs !!

Blue Moon
Blue Moon

Oh Pegs. How are you so cool?
I love you xoxo

Pegasus
Pegasus

YOU are.

I mean ‘what can a poor girl do except play in a rock ‘n roll band’.?

Blue Moon
Blue Moon

Totally!!!
Mwhahahahahaha

Vslr
Vslr

Oh my goodness! Just realised my dad is having his second saturn return or about to get deep into it! He’s about to be made redundant. The last year I have seen him put him self full throttle into his language classes he attends saturday mornings, i saw a completely diff side of him when we went abroad to visit my ex, one which makes me so proud to be his daughter! I really feel like he’s woken up and there’s no stopping him now despite knowing there are tough times ahead for him as the sole breadwinner of the… Read more »

Nightrose
Nightrose

Ha! I was having Saturn while my ex was doing Saturn + Pluto courtesy of moi.

We were both dreadfully tired, pissy and apparently into abuse as we were together before and after the Saturn action made it’s debut.

I got my first mortgage when Saturn hit. It made me face a reality and responsibility I never planned on attaching to. Grew up, Quick.

Scorpbot
Scorpbot

same here – first mortgage when Saturn hit.

I had a fantastic Saturn Return. I was going out several times a week, great friends, a job I just LOVED, then a new home.

I figured as a Cap ascendent I’m doing saturn ALL the time, so the Return was like a reward. 🙂

Nightrose
Nightrose

That sounds about right for you, it being like a reward with Saturn and all. Didn’t think about it that way! Have you hit your second SR ? If not, Looking forward to next one too eh? I didn’t see back then my job was more than I could see at that point. Asked for a huge raise to stay with them as home responsibilities tripled… and I got it. Plus I was working from home on this bigger salary with some light travel. Still do. Saturn Return was a blessing in disguise… I’m still enjoying the fruits of it.… Read more »

Scorpbot
Scorpbot

You still enjoying the fruits of your first or second SR? Either one sounds awesome. Well done on getting a raise too with the extra responsibility! Was always like getting blood from a stone with Saturn in 2nd – all to do with timing, and hard slog. Haven’t had my 2nd SR yet. I turn 50 in Nov this year. Quite looking forward to my second SR though, if my first is anything to go by. 🙂 Although I’d imagine in the not too distant future I’ll have parental responsibilities to deal with as well. I have Saturn on Sagg… Read more »

Nightrose
Nightrose

Funny we both had our first mortgage during SR. May I ask where your Saturn is natally? Mine is in the 4th = home/family, so makes sense as I was a bit forced to reintroduce these things back into my life.

Scorpbot
Scorpbot

Natal Saturn in Aqua 28º in 2nd house – Square my Jupiter in Taurus in 4th. The contract was settled a few months after Saturn had moved into Aqua. The day I moved in the Sun (Aqua) was transiting my 2nd house. Uranus, Neptune and North Node all in Capricorn at the time – party in my 1st house!! 🙂 Interesting that Uranus was in Cap because the mortgage was sudden and unexpected. Definitely not planned, although having my own home was something i had always wanted. Incidentally (I had to look all this up in my dairy) – we… Read more »

Andromeda
Andromeda

I had a Saturn/Pluto type experience of the Sat Return too.
It is seriously not to be messed with! Unless you are very evolved of course. 🙂

Nightrose
Nightrose

Yeah, I was doing Pluto with Saturn as the effects of Pluto had not completely worn out yet. We were both doing Saturn/Pluto, as my Sat/Pluto conjunction sat on his Sum. Good Lord we are both so much happier now.

Nightrose
Nightrose

I apologize for my hard to read comment… Merc Rx while typing on my phone, ya kno 😉

Baristagem
Baristagem

Saturn Return was a profound time for me, it was like I woke up. It gave me a new sense of awareness I hadn’t experienced before and it couldn’t be ignored. I knuckled down and began working meticulously on everything in my life that I felt needed to be addressed. I threw out stuff and replaced it with better stuff. The best thing was discovering routine, routine and routine. Hard work became my mantra 🙂

Natal Saturn conjunct Mars in the 6th house

Lux Interior is My Co-Pilot
Lux Interior is My Co-Pilot

I’m having mine now! Being very careful with cash and avoiding inappropriate commitments like the plague.

O
O

hello Saturn, my old master, your brown fingers, strum, my washboard skin, desiccating, blood and flesh, you bind, my dissenting, rebel hair, in ancient beads of shell, you draw my feet, tap roots, warmed with magma, my hands curl, to your demands, the abacus of my back, bruised with your memory, the soaked rag of my heart, laid flat to dry, old friend, I always loved you,best.

Blue Moon
Blue Moon

xoxox

Scorpbot
Scorpbot

Wow. Love it!! 🙂

hdq
hdq

So evocative and gorgeous. Thank you. 🙂

Pi
Pi

that is quite awesome. x

O
O

?????? thank you so much, it is my pleasure to contribute, been learning Saturn & Pluto since…day 1,

willowwolf
willowwolf

Beautiful.

catfish moon
catfish moon

yes.
Mine was hard, one of my closest friends and her son were killed. Her son was my 6 yr olds best friend. My whole family, hubby, me, and our 3 young kids were altered to the core.

I’m 10 years past that now…..Pluto took over after that.

akapluto
akapluto

(disclaimer: my left shift key is broken, making it insanely annoying to be consistent about capitalization. Forgive me. ) Doing my SR right now. Natally I have saturn conjunct my natal AC from the 12th house side. saturn just passed my natal saturn and is now on my ac, and when it retrogrades it will hit my saturn again. it’s very interesting learning the meaning of a 12th house saturn. i finally am starting to not be afraid of ghosts or my psychic abilities. perhaps i will also stop fearing the nebulous liquid life that i feel i want to… Read more »

pi
pi

Aka. Hi. The line about trying to prove to men worthiness of love etc. Omg. Yes. I had this series of psych breakthroughs from late 2009 – earlyish 2012 ‘re this. Looked back at all the ways that I engaged in this kind of approval-seeking behaviour (I guess) rather than *not* being fearful of losing whatever guy I was with at the time. It all tied into dad-stuff for me. I’d be happy to share (what I remember of) the reading material titles if anyone’s interested. Ultimately it came down to eexactly what you say: as is! Didn’t mean that… Read more »

Suzi
Suzi

Hello pi
I think it would be really helpful for many peeps who visit this site if you could post those book titles.
Please and thankyou 🙂
Cheers

cococancer
cococancer

HOLY FUQ, are you my soulmate doppelganger?? I am so with you on ALL the points listed above. like, crazywow. keep it up!!!

akapluto
akapluto

Doppelganger how? lol. The ghosts? 12th house saturn? I’m curious. I hope I’m doing “good work” as I am only now realizing that most of my life has been consumed by fear, guilt and limiting self doubt and low self esteem. It’s a bitter pill to swallow when you realize your life till now was only half lived. But we are not our past, we are our present and everything that comes after now is simply rippling out of what we do RIGHT NOW. Every moment is an opportunity to play and be what you want to be. If you… Read more »

pi
pi

So this. Xx

Blue Moon
Blue Moon

oh dear Pluto, I wrote you the longest (no kidding) note last night but alas, I was in bed using my iPad and this infernal wifi connection of mine means it only pretended to get posted. Meh
I’m out of time here now, it’s 6.20 am and I need to rush but will drop you a line (or 27) when I can if you’r still checking this thread. Damn I hate when that “happens”
Yo what’s up merc retro?
Mffff
Need to sort out my wifi connection TODAY!

akapluto
akapluto

dang it! i love long letters. i’m still here!!!

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

I loved my Saturn return. Never felt healthier in all my life. Saturn in 10th house Cancer. My daughter was born, which was the greatest accomplishment of my life. She’s Saturn in Cancer 2nd house. She’s got lilith there too.

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

Nice 🙂

My Saturn’s in Kataka, & my son’s is in Leo. I guess he really is the fruit of my Saturn labors!

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

And– this just dawned on me– my Saturn’s in the 5th. Which I always bitch about. But, if the result of my 1st return was this gorgeous miracle of a human life, what 5th house awesomeness will come from my 2nd return?! Aww 5th house Saturn, you alright.

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

Omg the insights keep coming!

My Saturn’s retro, & in the thick of my return I had a miscarriage. My 1st pregnancy, I was 29 years old. My 2nd pregnancy was the charm, 6 months later, in my 30th year, & as my Saturn return was winding down.

So it wasn’t all daisies & unicorns, but like I said, ultimately all good & wondrous things were born of that time. Keep the faith, Saturn returnees!

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Seems a lot of women have children around their Saturn return. My daughter’s Saturn is 4 degrees off my own (her’s is 20, mine 16) Cancer, that’s pretty close! Makes me think of family karma…we’ve both got Saturn in Cancer.

Chiron crossed my IC a few years before my Saturn return and that’s when I got the love of my life, my 13 year old poodle boy. 🙂 Never could have imagined such a loyal creature, but yet he lives!

calypso
calypso

yes! i conceived on the exact date of my Saturn return. i only made the connection last November!

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Ok.. so if I understand this correctly my Saturn return should occur every 28 years? So, my Saturn return won’t occur until I am 56? Is this correct? Gosh… age 28 = was 1986. If I remember correctly I was trying to figure out my life with finding a career. -I flunked out of college in 1984.. -came home, -worked -finally got into a job with a big corporation around 1986. So, my life as a corporate follower began. From that point on.. it was honestly about my career and surviving the best I could without any help. I did… Read more »

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Yikes.. just checked my chart. I am so fixed on Saturn transitioning through our charts and forgot as to where it is natally for me. It’s in my 5th house.

Kat
Kat

It’s around 29 years give or take-

Emg
Emg

My saturn return I became pregnant to a husband I knew was leaving. I had our daughter but throughout I felt the loneliness build and all the fears I had ever harboured were now crashing in around me and there was nothing I could do. It was the most desolate of times, feeling like your imminent death was upon you at last. It took all I had to stand in amongst it and realise that there was only one person who could get me out of this and it was me. I walked away from that year or two knowing… Read more »

Andromeda
Andromeda

Beautiful you could embrace yourself and your pain and still say, “when Saturn came home” embracing Saturn entirely.
It’s a very deep and rending pain that attacks your deepest survival fears to be a woman invested in nurturing fragile new life and receiving no nurturing or protection herself.

Emg
Emg

thanks andi, that was exactly it. The sheer alone ness of the situation. And the understanding that you could never form a family unit again. It would always be step brothers or half sisters etc. Not that I ever had any more children. I simply could not, possibly lost trust, who knows. But if I am honest, it was facing this and understanding me in the process which has made me a far greater human being/woman than I was. So yes, I am a very big Saturn fan. Saturn gave me a strength I did not know I contained. It… Read more »

calypso
calypso

and goodness, how many women experience this? i did, and still am really although the fragile new life is now a prancing ram. Saturn really helped me put my life back together so that i could do what i needed to as it came to visit first my personal planets and then my sign. i’m a fan too, it hurts even to cut out cancer i guess, but you feel better later if it works (I’m aware that’s a tricky metaphor apologies if it triggers anyone)

Emg
Emg

The numbers of women are vast. And my ex was especially revolting on exit. ‘You’re not my responsibility’ he said as he left and to this day he still believes he is immune to anything resembling a role in our daughter’s life. Not only that but he has just left his second partner and their son with nothing. It is like watching a movie all over again. This time our daughter is watching with older and wiser eyes. She has decided to estrange herself as she has felt he was nothing other than an abusive relationship. She is right. I’m… Read more »

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

I knew my marriage was over when I had my daughter. Because all I cared about then was her 🙂 But, its interesting. Once you have your first Saturn return, its just another trip around the wheel.

Emg
Emg

See, I was really very different. I’m not the mothering sort and although I had an innate killer instinct surrounding protecting my daughter I did not get that aahhhh love thing at all. I recognised she was an individual that I had been tasked to care for. But I can honestly say I have never felt that deep connection as ‘mother’ It’s odd as I have a 4th house Cancer full of planets but I think my Uranus just goes Nah not for me.

Andy
Andy

Emg I have found each child we mother is a very different experience of motherhood. Unique. One child can inspire completely different emotions than another. Call it karma or what you like, it’s a curious thing. Where do you see yr 4th House stuff being expressed in yr life btw?

Emg
Emg

Again Andi I think you have hit the nail on the head. My Karma with my daughter is not easy, it’s deep, there’s a lot of pluto going on but it isn’t gooey at all. I never went on to have more as I lost trust in the male for doing that and considered myself not much cut out for motherhood. But I know deep inside if I had gone on to have a little boy, that would have been a different story. Bit late now though, maybe next time. But yes I agree with you.

earthkat
earthkat

apologies if this is a silly question, but how do you work out when your saturn return is? or is it around 28/29 for everyone? xx

Ms.
Ms.

when your natal saturn is conjunct transiting saturn.

Ie: when saturn in the now meets saturn in your chart. It’s a transit like all others, thats why the dates slip individually for each of us. I had my exact at 29.

Kat
Kat

You can get whispers of it when Saturn hits your natal Saturn sign, or the house Saturn was in at birth. Pulls you into your authentic- do or die best self. Start using your own judgment- no excuses- forgive yourself any lapses. Then get out there and do your best. Every day. You will love it.

GFTpisces
GFTpisces

This Saturn return calculator is nifty: http://www.astrocal.co.uk/saturn-return.php You can also look up the exact date, yourself, of when it will be exact by looking at a Swiss ephemeris — you want to look at when Saturn will be trotting back over and dancing around the degrees of your natal Saturn. It’s a little different for everyone — mine will actually more around the time I’m 30, starting three months before I turn 30, and hanging out for most of that year. As someone else mentioned, it’s more like a “season.” Pull up your chart, and then just Google Swiss Ephemeris… Read more »

GFTpisces
GFTpisces

*Or, rather, it will end right before I turn 30, I meant to say, because my natal Saturn is late degrees Scorp, and will be/have been leading up to it most of this year/a lot of last year. If you want precision, you’re better off with the ephemeris, but the calculator is a good starting point, so you know which ephemeris to look at.

Raché(Aqua/Tauri)
Raché(Aqua/Tauri)

Woah, thank you! Apparently mine is December 2016 so I will be 29 and almost 30 when it hits. For some reason I thought it was usually earlier. The dates for the 3/4 cycle square are relevant for me…I broke up with my boyfriend of 3 years because I was tired of our lifestyle. I looked around the apartment with over a hundred people on my 21st bday and thought “everyone is just here for the party, not for me” and then broke up with him the next week. I also kept the apartment and busted my ass to keep… Read more »

earthkat
earthkat

ahh thankyou guys!! looks like its around 28/29. difficult getting to grips with all these charts and circles and squares but ill get there 🙂 xx

bravepoet
bravepoet

I don’t know the significance but i found a book by Joan Didion in a second hand yesterday and now she appears. I love the synchronicity here.

Chrysalis
Chrysalis

She is a magnificent writer. Her book about the loss of her husband ‘The Year of Magical Thinking’ is one of the most profoundly beautiful books about grief and loss I have ever read.

GFTpisces
GFTpisces

I read that book after my best friend (had actually received the book for Christmas from my mother, three weeks BEFORE my friend died) and it was one of the few things that got me through that time.

Blue Moon
Blue Moon

Oh wow yes!
Best description of a Saturn Return ever!

Ariel
Ariel

Beautiful quotation. <3 Joan Didion, always. Was also listening to an interview with James Franco last night, who was talking about his Saturn Return (age 27) as the time when he started to look at his life & realise he wanted more, and that's when he went back to school to become a writer. I don't like his writing, but good for him. I am 26 so no stories to share yet! I've had a difficult twenties so far, so I'm actually kind of looking forward to my Saturn Return as a reckoning, hopefully disciplining myself, & eventual triumph. Oh… Read more »

calypso
calypso

yes! I loved it 🙂

GFTpisces
GFTpisces

Yes, I agree with you re: looking forward to it my Saturn return. I just turned 29, and mine will be happening later this year. My twenties were also not great. Terrible in some ways, but mostly just a big hazy, boozy, slutty, empty, sad waste. And that was only the first couple of years! Mellowed in my mid twenties, but felt depressed and anxious and lost a lot. Goodbye to all that, indeed!

Raché(Aqua/Tauri)
Raché(Aqua/Tauri)

A-fuqing-men. My party animal phase ended when I got sick at 23 but the patterns and the emptiness after were still lingering a lot up until last year at 26. By the end of 25 I really and truly got bored of self-destructing and little by little started to pull out of it. I feel like I had to break everything down to find myself and now I am JUST starting to re-build, which is exciting! I hope your Saturn return is awesome. I find all these stories very comforting, as people often make the Saturn return out to be… Read more »

GFTpisces
GFTpisces

Yeah, that’s pretty much how it was for me, too. I definitely kick and scream a little bit or feel like hiding from change because it’s easier to just get kind of pathetically tipsy by myself while watching TV under a blanket, ha, or I get nostalgic sometimes about the few good times and some of the fun I *did* actually have, so I get why there’s that fear, but whereas I used to just shrug off my week day hangovers, or indulge almost every mood swing, now, yeah, I just get kind of disgusted with myself, like “ugh, grow… Read more »

Saggibee
Saggibee

I was apprehensive about my SR because of all the fatalistic talk you hear from people, but I’m going through mine now and it’s been a very liberating experience. Last year I started to shed a lot of personality stuff that didn’t fit anymore, shed a few friends and acquaintances, changed jobs based on ideological differences… Saturn hit its natal point for me in late January and I finally feel like after so many years of false starts, I’m getting my sh*t together. I’m more grounded, disciplined and confident. I am actually embracing the idea of being an adult –… Read more »

Kat
Kat

changed jobs, upped pay, got engaged and not, nursed step dad and planned his funeral with pomp circumstance and jazz. Literally. Worked, ran fanatically, and helped sister through divorce. Discovered advocacy-my work now.

Saturn’s on Neptune- polished up my personal planets. Gearing up to big Return- de-cluttering marathon.

Prog Moon in Scorp/ clear eyed but tender hearted.

Xx Kat

Twin-gemini
Twin-gemini

Decided to move countries and came to Australia. Huge cultural shock + realised the value of my family.

Double Happiness
Double Happiness

Broke up with de facto / biz partner of 6 yrs – left him everything because thought he would need it more than me.

Started full time study – fine art and loved the freedom and went onto fashion design

Travelled overseas for the first time – nearly 3 months backpacking through Indonesia Malaysia and Thailand feeding my soul

All had a profound effect on my life

fallen angel
fallen angel

Ah, 28. That was a time of reckoning for me..slapped awake by Saturn, figured out my then 3 yr marriage wasn’t going to go the distance and lots of waking up/getting to work thinking, “is this seriously it until I die?” And concluding I wasn’t going to hack that paradigm for long. It was also the time it began to dawn on me that mistakes made in youth, would then be followed by yet the other mistake of not admitting/defending the first one I began with. It’s the staunch idealism turned against one’s self, because as yet I hadn’t developed… Read more »

GFTpisces
GFTpisces

wow, this really resonated with me — beautifully said. “You can’t deny the work.” I’m approaching my Saturn return and I, too, am starting to see the ways in which my past mistakes aren’t even so much catching up with me, but sneaking up to the surface from where they’ve always been hanging around.

fallen angel
fallen angel

Yes, Saturn = work as anti-dote and confidence serum. It’s THAT transit where you can’t explain ye olde f*ck ups breezily with a hair flip. Lots of feeling like you’re in a locked room all by yourself doing maths, reckoning with the figures then going out to just slog.

But the slog in this case is where the gold is. Because no one can take that away from you.. you get to say yes, I did that. I got through that in a very concrete and measurable way.

Pluto on the other hand..oi

GFTpisces
GFTpisces

Fortunately, I’ve got another 25-30 years until I need to start worrying about that. Then it will be plodding along on my moon and then my conjunct sun, so, you know, THAT will be a fun midlife crisis!

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