Gothic Valentines Day

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Alex Craig No Memory Of The Fliers In The Night

Are you ready for next week’s Gothic Valentine’s Day?  Why do sooky-goo-goo, chocolates, gypsophila and carnations when you can re-enter the Haunted Mansion of your Surrendered Love Dreams???

And, because the Full Moon will be in Leo and the Sun/Moon square Saturn, you can do this in between theatrically facing facts and getting a major grip.

So a couple of things: I pulled a ligament in my back so light posting the next few days BUT the Weekly Horoscopes are up…This quote from “unknown” is evocative no?

“Just because someone desires you, does not mean that they value you.”

Read it over.
Again.
Let those words resonate in your mind.

 

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Drowning Capricorn
Drowning Capricorn

WOW. Preparing for the Full Moon and discovered it is conjunct my natal Pluto in my 7th H. Transiting Sun in my 1st house. Transiting Venue conjunct my Ascendant. Saturn return developing in my 19th. Let the reinvention, Pheonix begin. Peeps, you have my eternal gratitude for insight, speculation guidance …..

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

So.. me (Virgo Sun / Libra Rising) & him (Pisces sun.. I don’t know his time of birth yet).. What makes a man want to stay with a woman? I don’t have a clue! What is the attraction that keeps them. It isn’t sex. So what is it?

akapluto
akapluto

So while we’re all here and on the subject…can we please talk about the Oracle and its validity or lack thereof? Or perhaps how much you can harass it before it starts giving you scrambled, heinous answers? Last night, instead of haranguing Oracle about Libra boy as usual, I decided to ask about a previous on/off hookup who I still flirt with long distance. It gave me the answer “Someone else occupies the romantic mind of x”. Being that we are very open friends, I wrote to him on facebook asking if their was someone on his mind and he… Read more »

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

You are naughty! *Smacks hand with a sprig of cilantro* 😀 But seriously, the Oracle has always been right for me…so far. I was impressed from the get go. These are the rules I follow: Never ask a question more than one time per day is a general rule for questions like what archetype should i meditate on. And if asking about another person vs. yourself, don’t ask about the same person more than 1X per month max (unless something has dramatically changed recently) and that is being generous. If you get a weird answer…like the Oracle is sort of… Read more »

akapluto
akapluto

Wow, EEL, Once a month for “other person” questions? And you’re a Libra like me? How do you manage? I am currently doing a ritual type thing…I go through all the questions in the morning and at night ask MOST of the questions but not the ones that are obviously a once daily thing. I copy and paste all of my answers with the date and a couple words about how I’m feeling at that moment, if the environment is distracting, or if I’m low qi. It’s a research thing, actually… But I should probably not do that thing where… Read more »

david5379
david5379

man, im sorry that happened 12hv, I’m not old enough to add anything else or add any insight, that sucks that that happened though i’m sorry

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Aw, I love you dear. Thanks for that.

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

Hey 12th H I’m answering down here because up there is too crowded again. I’m familiar with the ways of the Dirtbagger because I dated 3 of them and even tried out the lifestyle myself. Anybody who is REALLY REALLY into this is usually running from something. And that is the most harmless type out there! At the time I was running from my filial piety duty which is pretty innocuous, but the dirtbaggers I dated were running from far more serious matters and in some cases for much longer than I had. They were entrenched in the lifestyle. The… Read more »

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Well, I know the Pisces got into the lifestyle by being an arrogant skier and alcoholic. He got sober 10 years ago, nearly 4 of which he spent in jail. Post-jail, I don’t know. I don’t think he’s not sure what he is. Pluto transiting his AC/first house now. I am glad he has climbing. He has Jupiter-Neptune conjunction in his Sag 11th house and Mars in Capricorn conjunct his AC. I think its good he has a physical outlet. He really does love the sport, his partners, and believe in climbers as his heroes. Meets them in real life,… Read more »

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

You make good points and thanks for sharing this. I don’t know what he’s running from, but his first impulse seems to be to run. He won’t find any hiding spaces with me.

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

You tell him 12th H! 😀

Scorpbot
Scorpbot

12H V, so sorry to hear it didn’t end well. Sounded so exciting from the start.

“Dirtbagger” First time I’ve heard of that term. 😯

Have to agree with the NN in 2nd.
I have Saturn in Aqua in 2nd and self-suffiency is my one big core value.

“He won’t find any hiding spaces with me” LOL. 😀 Love it!

R(aqua/tauri)
R(aqua/tauri)

This comment thread is all so fascinating. Love triangles! Metaphysical parasites promoting Love Zombie behavior! It’s all here. Back from Seattle and excited but confused by mySELF. Looks like I’ll have an opportunity to finally get what I wanted before, but now that I’m not in fear mode confusing need for want the question is: do I/did I even want it? #venusconjuncturanusproblems #Hollawewantprenup I think Lindsay Bluth from Arrested Developmet (played by Aqua Portia diRossi) was also a Venus in Cap square Mars. Had the best birthday I’ve had in years. Was spoiled rotten on my trip and had a… Read more »

cosmic fleece
cosmic fleece

http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/media/listen.htm?show=jukebox&xmlUrl=s3939539&mediaType=multi&launchType=play&pluginTarget=undefined&pluginTitle=undefined&pluginColour=undefined

Beautiful rendition from Mademoiselle Haute Scorp .. been in my head for days…Mercury Retrograde – James whats his face cover.

Vslr
Vslr

I think when i say NO, peope hear yes go ahead no problem!? Really need to learn how to be more assertive and let things gl.someone told me to visualise the thing sliding off my shoulder. Must practise that.

calypso
calypso

fwiw 12HV, it sounds like his shit, not yours, especially as it’s the same thing he levelled at his ex. but I guess you already know that. all that time alone with the ice, does it indicate that he has trouble living with others?

Anyway, I’m sorry to hear it x

Veronica
Veronica

12HV, I sort of get where you are coming from, the last few years I have been the major earner in the household, the one holding it together. My partner was really not in a great space and i felt kind of sorry for him, yet at times horrified at how chaotic could get if I wasn’t very controlling. Not the sort of relationship I’d had before at all, when I was young and in long term relationships, it was always the guy stable with a good job and me the wayward artist… Anyway after four years, things are turning.… Read more »

Veronica
Veronica

Absolutely I agree that ultimately he won’t feel really safe in the world unless he knows he can provide for himself, I know this from my own life, from learning to provide for myself. I wasn’t the most materially capable person when I was younger. With his paranoia, maybe all this is his fear staring to come up now to sabotage what could be the best thing that’s happened to him in a long time, and if you both get through it, there will be more trust of each other. Or not, hard to predict, but some detachment on your… Read more »

S
S

I am so sorry to hear about this 12HV.
The emotional outburst is based in his pride.
All relationships require an aspect of surrender, give and take. Sometimes that’s where the problem is. What could you give up in order to gain x? That’s my question I ask myself in a relationship. It also gives me an idea of what I have invested in the success of the relationship.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Yes, I think its a matter of pride and not wanting to display vulnerability on his part…we’ll see…so surprised at the issues that popped up. Its a relatively new relationship. Hope we’re working out past life karma, lol!

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

That is some 6th house crap you’ve got going on! what is transiting your 6th btw?

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Ha ha! I have Chiron transiting my natal Jupiter in 6th house as well as Neptune which is opposing my Venus in 12th house Virgo. My 6th house has Juno-Jupiter-Ceres, which is getting the Chiron shizz now.

Nightrose
Nightrose

I agree with you, Calypso and Veronica here. There is definitely a skirting of the Real Issues. Money issues are most of the time not about money, its about power imbalance and trust like you said. Nobody can give him that security and safety that he craves but himself. Thanks for sharing your experience here in this thread. It brought to light more hidden truths in my past relationships as many times Ive taken in men that were not doing well – finances have usually been the arena this played out in (I have the Mars-Nep square, attracts these types… Read more »

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Thanks. Its a very Uranian relationship. I don’t know what to expect from it but I know enough to not let a person punish me for crimes of their own imagination. Pffftt….relationships are hard.

Porkchop
Porkchop

Yes! And when we recognize what we’re doing we can ask ‘why?!?’ and then take responsibility for our part of the dysfunction.

Be the herione of your life, not the victim, as the saying goes!

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Yes!!

Yes! Yes! Yes!

🙂

Nightrose
Nightrose

+1 🙂

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

lol. I am the heroin of my life story. Sad but true. LZ for lyfe!

Paetra
Paetra

Feel better soon Mystic!! xx

davidl
davidl

He accused me of trying to control him and taking away his security and harboring resentments toward him because he doesn’t pay his own way. F-him! Why shouldn’t he pay his way in life?!?

So you do harbor resentments re not paying his own way ?

12th house Virgo
12th house Virgo

I am angry at the implication I owe him unconditional emotional, mental, and financial support. I realize the guy is in a bad way, but I never agreed to be his provider. I agreed to share my life with him.

12th house Virgo
12th house Virgo

And the only reason he calls me controlling is because I do provide. F-him! He won’t feel safe until he provides for himself. His NN is in 2nd Aqua

davidl
davidl

This is interesting cause I hear this situation playing out with people but usually the other way around. What I say to men who wine about financially supporting others is …Who cares if you financially support x, you are earning money ? Big deal ? I financially support people around me and I get financial support from others ? It doesn’t mean much in my books. It doesn’t mean I don’t value those who require financial support ? Let alone resent them for it. The no. of times I hear ” my x needs $500 to pay x , I… Read more »

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

LOL! You have no idea what you’re talking about but clearly you’ve passed judgement on me. Go Aries!

Im guilty for having a guy live with me and then tell me I am controlling him because I mentioned picking up dog food today? FFS – why would I explain this shit to you. I was there.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Oh – and my 8 year old daughter is his jailer and he’s our house maid. So much for sharing a life. If he wants freedom, who am I to hold him back?

Porkchop
Porkchop

i am sorry you are going through this 🙁 it must hurt like hell! he sounds like no prize though and like he has done you a favour by leaving. pain is pain though! still hurts when it ends even if it isn’t working. take good care of yourself. i would be okay paying someone’s way for a short period if they’re going through a rough patch (and they were putting in the work to get back on their feet) or if i was super rich and i could. but i wouldn’t want to do it for someone who should… Read more »

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

As I have been trying to tell David, he made money an issue when I tried to hold him accountable for his other behaviors. In which case I think, “Sure, why not pay your own way?” Because clearly it isn’t enough to share a life with me. To accuse me of controlling him and taking his security?!? That really made me angry. That’s the same thing he said about his ex and all she and I have in common is him.

I’m not really hurt yet. Just angry and disappointed. And I feel I can’t explain anything properly

Porkchop
Porkchop

Money is a legit issue regardless of other behaviours, in my opinion. I don’t need to be with someone who makes as much as me, we can contribute to expenses proportionally. But I want a partnership where we’re equals. Not interested in being someone’s mommy or bank account.

If i may ask, have you always supported him or was he supporting himself and then something changed and then you started paying his way?

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

I feel you guys! My 2nd to last relationship. The breakup was partially over his inability to keep a job. I was paying for like everythin at one point , which isn’t too bad if you make a huge salary but we were so straind for $$$ that even his palltry donation was needed…so his artistically unstable b.s. was crap.

12th house Virgo
12th house Virgo

You are right porkchop and he never paid his way with me. We’ve only been together 3 months so I thought he was going through a transition but realized later (as in this morning) he expected me to support him financially. Wasn’t really the deal. He sold all his stuff to move with me except he arrived without enough money to buy food, socks, a cell phone charger. It was shocking and strange to me but I realized I could help and he needed it. I cautioned him about leaving his life behind and he said he was waiting for… Read more »

12th house Virgo
12th house Virgo

And like EEL, I don’t make enough money to not notice the increase in expenses with him and the two additional pets he came with.

Porkchop
Porkchop

If getting involved with him meant you would have to support him from the get go then to me that is a big red flag. you deserve better than that! why didn’t you think so? i have a few ‘what was i thinking?!’ crushes/bfs in my history. but each has helped with the seemingly endless ‘growth work’ to be done along this ‘journey’ that is life, haha. looking at what was their ‘stuff’, what was my ‘stuff’ (takes two to tango), what can i do better next time, what do i need to watch out for next time. hope you… Read more »

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

porkchop, replying here because the thread below was getting small. I didn’t know his financial situation in its full glory. And there was miscommunication that is being review this retrograde. As for feeling I deserve better – I don’t believe in deserve. What I know is what I have and its great to know I have enough to share. That’s beautiful. And he’s no high maintenance type. He’s just kind of a maniac, which I like about him. So – deserve really has nothing to do with it. Funny think, is I am with David about that – if you… Read more »

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

Don’t you just wish people came with a light up marquee above their heads that told you their issues…. like “Peter Pan with permanent Dirtbagger lifestyle”….
people act like you should’ve known but who announces their flaws early on in a relationship? Who? People usually hide that stuff until they think you are in love with them.

12th house Virgo
12th house Virgo

Ha ha! Have you met him?!? Your description is uncanny. I’m new to the ways of a dirt bagger. The way he speaks of it, you’d think dirt bag = warrior monk

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

You know, fuck you too, David. Really.

davidl
davidl

Of course I don’t know the detail, and yes I’m blaming you without the details but I’m just a bit disappointed for all of you that $ is an issue. I know he’s broke, a bit messed up etc but you knew that before right ?
Anyway Fuq you / love you too x

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

I am upset about that too! I’ve actually been glad that I am able to support a household, not just a man, but two pets. Little old me with enough to share, enough to support someone else pursuing their dream. Made love and helped him get to know kickstarer.com last night! You edited me and chose what to respond to. The fight was about him bullying a friend of mine, a friend who only refriended him as a gesture of peace when he moved in with me. As I said, a diplomatic situation. And I read his comments and they… Read more »

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

But, yeah, I’m not going to apologize to him for being able to provide for myself and others. Or to you, for that matter.

Ms.
Ms.

I have just come home after a brutal day to a home picnic for myself on my bed with the most amazing food and flicks eve ever! as part of my awesome downtime. I’m overworked but I am making money surrounded by cute co-workers and my to do list is actually slowly just becoming dream lined etc. I love this saturn transit. Is this what being a capricorn is like?? fuck you this shit is jinxed. I hope you are enjoying your pluto transit then 😛 seriously though, I’m not thinking how I “feel” all the time and I am… Read more »

Porkchop
Porkchop

Your evening sounds amazeballs! And the work environment sounds ‘pleasant’ 😉 (i.e. cute coworkers)

Mo money, mo problems at work (I find, anyway) but definitely can be worth it if it supports you and your bigger picture for your life.

Is Saturn transiting your 6th or 10th house? Going through my 6th at the moment and I got a promotion. I study part-time and at time the stress if trying to balance the two (plus exercise, household chores, socialise) has got me bursting into tears but with hard work have still managed to do well in both areas.

Ms.
Ms.

transit is 5th, but my sun is there, I said in previous somewhere its about to conjunct my merc.sun exact, its just passed uranus exact now. The job is terrible honestly and could die at any second but the mission is more long term and I have money to pay and save for things, could not be more grateful for that right now. Have to shift it before April 😉

Ms.
Ms.

see I’m expecting similar with the 6th re study. YAY promotion. Good to see results yield fruit x

Pi
Pi

we all need some capricorn – it’s where the real sh!t gets done 🙂

Chrysalis
Chrysalis

I have loads in Cap but on reflection I might hang on to them unless you have a planet you’d like to trade with me??
I have moon-Lilith conjunct at 15 Cap and Juno-Vertex-Eros conj at 23 Cap. I totally agree re getting merde done. So much better than endless analysis.

Ms.
Ms.

yeah you can have anything in virgo lol

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

Yes Pluto has transit-whipped my Mars in Capricorn and i keep looking for more that is undone, only now and then realising how much i’m getting done. It’s beautiful. Esp for a Piscean. It also seems to have some ironic property augmenting my also self-sufficient Saturn-Venus square applying at almost 2 degrees (tight) by bringing me self sufficiency through loyal support, including that of a Sun Cap. Good Capricorn energy, the Haute kind, is always freaking amazing and has my total respect (we have lo kinds in extended fam too but i ignore them). Glad the hard yards are yielding… Read more »

Ms.
Ms.

Oooh you have mars? jealous. power fish mille. well I have a new approach to what i’ve been doing but its a temporary thing cause its a killer no love job but I’m saving for the next move and ALL my admin is up to date once today is over. across 2 countries. I’m selling all my shit this week too that I haven’t yet and planning smart. Its not perfect and its not instant but I’m paving. I’m just down with Haute saturn, its always been a bastard in my chart but after speaking with essex astro queen it… Read more »

Porkchop
Porkchop

I am feeling a little bit like a love zombie about a guy from work. Only knew him a little bit before but interacting with him more since I’ve started a new role. A couple if days ago I was having a terrible time with a work situation. He asked me how the new role was going and I vented a bit about this situation (this was before I developed a bit of a crush on him) and he gave me some advice and we laughed about it. Offered to be an ear when I needed it. Then I ran… Read more »

Porkchop
Porkchop

I have Venus at 17 Cap in the 8th house so Pluto is moving towards it. Wonder what stuff might happen over the next couple of years… Maybe I will meet an Alexander Skarsgard lookalike who loves cats and watching TV shows on DVD? 😉

scorpio_rising
scorpio_rising

“Just because someone desires you, does not mean that they value you.”
Read it over.
Again.
Let those words resonate in your mind.

powerful words

electriceellibran
electriceellibran

wow. just read the dailies for Sagg about ditching their secret identity. As a Sag riser, I wonder what astrological weather is making that appealing/a thing? Anyone know?

davidl
davidl

I’ve been reading Sag astro for my sag sister who has just moved back to Australia with her family after 30 years living in the US. Faux pas was her middle name as a child and her secret identity has been known to everyone for ever !! Hellooo . Maybe ‘coming out’ will get her the things she truly needs right now and she may stop upsetting her own apple cart . If you start a fire, and let it burn, the flames consume cleanly and effectively. If you light a fire and try to hide it , sort of… Read more »

tati scorpitini
tati scorpitini

Get well soon MM xx

Ms.
Ms.

my valentines day is always gothic 😉

If
If

Me too, Ms. Natal Bast-Lilith-Venus-Neptune in Scorp sextile Pluto SQUARE Saturn in Aqu. Gothic to the max, in terms of a non-event I’ve had to process internally, whether I’ve been in a relationship (rare) or not. As a Sagg, I think I instinctively loathe celebrations that require one to do x or feel x on a certain date: such things make me nervous. Am same with Xmas, NY, and my birthday – mind you, am there WITH flowers on other people’s birthdays. I once sent flowers to myself, at work, on Val’s day, back when I was young (30), given… Read more »

Ms.
Ms.

What a fierce If you are, I actually have that same square (saturn venus) at 5/6 degree separation and saturn exact square Asc. I hear you on self sufficiency.

WOOHOO
WOOHOO

Anyone got any Venus-Pluto opposition love stories they want to share with me this Valentine’s Day?

Preferably of the wonderful soul igniting variety. Rather than the bunny boiler kind.

Chrysalis
Chrysalis

OK Woohoo but this doesn’t have a conventional happy ending…. ! The guy with whom I fell deeply in love a while back, well I was Pluto on his sun-Venus conjunction. I totally rearranged his DNA for him, he loved me so much – we ignited all kinds of long-dormant passions in each other…. but he also went to the depths of hell reconciling his love for me with the fact that he was MARRIED WITH THREE KIDS lol. I haven’t seen or heard any trace of him for a couple of years now but I would imagine he went… Read more »

WOOHOO
WOOHOO

Ho hum. I’m fearing my Venus-Pluto transit. First my fear was that I would spend the whole transit alone… now I’m fearing that I will have some sort of earth shattering love that won’t work out and that maybe…. just maybe…. singledom is the safe and preferable way to work this transit. It’s only for a few years……. hahaha. I have Cap ascendant and I wish it dominated more strongly so that if I had an experience like yours I could see it with objectivity. At least it stops me from ever becoming a bunny boiler! I have some Saturnine… Read more »

Pegasus
Pegasus

Does anyone actually acknowledge Valentines Day? Isn’t he the one with all the arrows protruding from his naked body whist tied to a tree?
Or was that Sebastian? Was he burned at the stake? Die for love?
Poofy names 🙂
Would rather someone give me a bow and quiver than a heart shaped Valentine’s Day card, with a 6 archery lessons included 🙂

Ms.
Ms.

my experience is everyone pretends its not a big deal and then gets pissed if they don’t get something even though they think its crap. It’s like obligational dating crap. Yes, you love someone but here is a stuffed toy and a forced dinner date>? The best gift I ever got was a book that I wanted (from a librian/virgo) tied in hemp rope demonstrating his shibari rope work and a bloody heart cake in a box with a note. Virgo planets are the best present givers ever. so much thought and nuance for the exact.

anon flux
anon flux

jesus gag me with a spoon re valentines day I’d rather have a genuine display of affection on whatever day of the year prompted by something other than hallmark et al.

scorpio_rising
scorpio_rising

That was Saint Sebastian. Most paintings depict him as a lovely lad very handsome.
But Saint Valentine was also a martyr who was tortured to death on Feb. 14th.

Pi
Pi

Me too pegs!! I was actually just investigating archery 🙂

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

Have you seen cherubs? They are scary ass mofos.
They are not supposed to look like winged fat babies shooting love arrows. They look like a lion or bull with eagles’ wings and a human face.

AKAPluto
AKAPluto

Ugh…eclipses…new moons…black moons…chinese new year…venus retrograde…neptune forward…and still…no. clarity. even the oracle gives the mixiest of mixed messages.

Usually when I’m into someone who’s wrong for me they have a negative effect on me…not this guy. He has added incredible things to my life. And I’ve done the same for him. I CAN’T LEAVE HIM AND I CAN’T BE WITH HIM! I’M STUCK IN THE GREY ZONE LIKE A PHREAK! HYELP!

LaLuz
LaLuz

Whose definition of “wrong” are you going with here? He sounds right to me. That grey zone you are inhabiting sounds like the chasm between years of conditioning and the raw new order of things. And there is away to both be with him and without him. It”a called personal space. Yours and his. Honor that need and maybe more hues will become apparent.

akaPluto
akaPluto

LaLuz, Good point LaLuz, But anyone who’s been to the grey zone knows (or doesn’t know) that it could all be a bunch of wasted time. Ever read that book, “He’s Just Not That Into You?” All the same, nothing in my life has really followed any conventional anything, nor his. He said he couldn’t be in a relationship while going through this pivotal moment in his life, and I tried to believe him, but I guess I just don’t. Therefore half the time we talk I treat him like the guy who dumped me and the other half of… Read more »

Pi
Pi

i understand the thing about not being able to be in a relationship while going through a pivotal moment. there’s not any mental or emotional ground to share with someone, in a way that would do justice to that someone. so even though the company may be great, or enriching, or sexy, the ongoing psychological bandwidth needed to sustain a healthy relationship is taken up be life developments. Maybe… ok i know this is hard when someone is awesome… try to reframe into simply enjoying this person for who he is, and not (secretly) want any more than that? for… Read more »

akapluto
akapluto

Thanks, Pi, I really should be more like my Mars in Capricorn and stick to one military-style strategy. It’s just hard when you don’t really know WHAT you are reacting to. I need to remember that if any of this is real, then it can’t be THAT easy to ruin. You know what’s even more ludicrous? I JUST HAD THE SAME REVELATION AS HIM AND I STILL DON’T BELIEVE HIM! I did a 6 day paid volunteer clinical research study (long story short, you’re stuck in a room with no outside contact including the internet for 6 days and nights)… Read more »

Baristagem
Baristagem

Best wishes MM!

Nightrose
Nightrose

It’s soooooo true. Just because you are desired doesn’t mean you are valued. The implication is there but caution is worth more than it’s weight here. I mean, consider parasites. They value you. They’re leeching off your energy though. I ran into a thread about 4D parasitic non organic entities where the qi vampires and ghosts reside. They can’t leech off higher than them, 5D, so they run around 3D. Creating high energy dynamics between people like Mars/Pluto/Neptune synastry just so they can feed. That thread was mind blowing. I was looking up Mars Pluto dynamics and came across it.… Read more »

Catzai
Catzai

That just gave me the full CREEPERS (cool) – makes SO much sense under this Astro! Do you know how to post that link as I am intrigued.
xo

Nightrose
Nightrose
Catzai
Catzai

OMG!!!
Thank-you!
:-*

scorpio_rising
scorpio_rising

yes, THANK YOU!
The timing is perfect!

Sabina
Sabina

Like what Eckhart Tolle calls ‘the pain body’. Gruesome.

scorpio_rising
scorpio_rising

yes! Thanks for the reminder.

Sunrise
Sunrise

Yes! Pay attention to this. It is happening people. Be aware. Google Alien Love Bite if you want to go further.

Veronica
Veronica

Similar ideas in BH Clow with the 4D entities triggering blood lust scenarios in 3D. The key is to stay grounded in the heart so as not to be caught up in the energy of fear, anger etc. It’s an interesting read

Veronica
Veronica

Yes, interesting link!

Nightrose
Nightrose

Interesting! BH Clows name comes up a lot for me. I need to read her stuff.

Andromeda
Andromeda

Love her books 🙂 , though I don’t always experience the same time lines in the same way regarding her views on history. But still enjoy her anyway. Particularly liked her book on her past life regressions with a hypnotherapist. Just dense, rich, complex stories. Have you read ‘The Mind Chronicles: A Visionary Guide into Past Lives’? Think you would like it. 😉

Nightrose
Nightrose

I’m sorry I meant desire instead of value when talking about parasites lol

Catzai
Catzai

Weird, cause that’s how I read it in the first place anyway – boy I can hardly keep up with the ‘messages’ coming in think and fast today!
Thought Mercury was supposed to be retro? – trust me to do everything ass-backwards!
Thank-you – the Universe is def. reaffirming I, (with maturity and grace) just dodged a bullet.
xo

Catzai
Catzai

*THICK* oh ok, there you are Merc Retro.

davidl
davidl

My understanding of the 4th dimension is that what resides there are ‘thought forms’. Be careful what your mind digests because if it accepts the negative it just strengthens the thought form. This is the barrier or test of your suitability to enter 5th dimensional community. The 5th being outside time, where thought is manifest instantaneously. No advanced community can allow a soul that continues to manifest the boogy man into it’s ranks. The 4th is not feeding on us, it’s created by us… Look at what we have created ? None of it has any power over you unless… Read more »

Domestic Triffid
Domestic Triffid

I agree. I’ve read a lot around this sort of stuff on Shamanic forums. If you take non organic parasitic entities seriously, they will feed off your energy. If you just laugh at them and then ignore them, they have no power whatsoever. One of the things I have picked up along the way is that as corporeal beings we are immensely powerful. The disincarnate cannot touch us, unless we allow them them to. Hell, they can’t even talk to us, unless we invite them to, so I explicitly disagree with the statement “all life on this planet as we… Read more »

orion
orion

“The basic agreement is that Love is the highest truth and the highest power, and that in the face of that, nothing can compete.”

Is that so?
\yawn

Domestic Triffid
Domestic Triffid

Why don’t you try being a bit ruder ?

This is an interesting discussion, amongst adults. If you have nothing more than /yawn to contribute, may I suggest Tumblr ?

davidl
davidl

Yes odd reaction ? We forgot to mention those that live in 2D consciousness perhaps ?
Orion may be feeling a bit flat.

Nightrose
Nightrose

This is all very interesting. It’s news to me to be honest.

I find it interesting where you have come up with strong opinions on this subject matter?

Veronica
Veronica

Clow describes 4D as the archetypal realm, of projections etc. and the different properties of the dimensions 1 til 9. In Tibetan Buddhism, there are detailed descriptions of the different types of demons the soul meets after death, on the way to the next incarnation. In my readings of Seth, he speaks of the idea of demons and such as being part of cultural expectation of the individual, as with heaven or hell. I find it fascinating to read about and compare different world religions/ideologies, and have done since I was 12, starting with Bullfinches Greek mythology…That could be my… Read more »

Nightrose
Nightrose

Sometimes while seeking the truth and exploring we come across articles like this David.

My mentioning it was not one of personal belief but just a statement that I came across it and that it was a very provocative piece of work. I choose to believe what I do and don’t, to be honest it’s a little off putting to be told what to believe by a stranger. I respect your opinion however and will consider it.

Sunrise
Sunrise

Your understanding? Or your experience?

Awareness is power.

12th house Virgo
12th house Virgo

Sounds like experience to me

scorpio_rising
scorpio_rising

Laughter seems to be good medicine for many things that ail the soul, mind & body.

Veronica
Veronica

Totally!! 🙂

Andromeda
Andromeda

@ Davidl, sososo true, these writings are dangerous & misleading. Would like to post this on Project Avalon! I partook in a conversation there on this very topic. Even did some shamanic work & reported my findings. The response was a psychic attack via the thread starter who was deep into fear generation. Got mail yonks later from people who were really disturbed by the topic thanking me for contributing to the convo in an alternative (positive) light. My experience is that confidence & love are unmatched in terms of psychic ‘weaponry’, but no one wanted to hear that, it’s… Read more »

Catzai
Catzai

Sorry to have started a big Hoo-Ha (or am I, Mooh-ha-ha-ha-ha-haah!)
This Quad Scorp will Always be a seeker of the Truth – and fuq, I certainly haven’t figured it All out yet.
I found this article interesting – that’s it.
There are more Things in Heaven and Earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy….

But for my two bits: A sense of humor is VITAL for surviving this plain of existence.
Peace out,
xo

Catzai
Catzai

Holly-Molly – any one else in Astro-Travel talking to Spirit-Guide Central???!!!
Jeeze, I’m pretty good, but never been THAT good the past couple days – and came back having remembered so much of it! ‘They’ have made me lie down and actually write down what they are telling me in my ‘dreams’ so I really remember it when I ‘get back’.
Whoa.

P.S. I know it’s sour grapes but Valentines Day sucks balls!
…maybe I should rephrase that statement, all things considered…..
😉

Domestic Triffid
Domestic Triffid

Ooooh yes ! Got a very blunt message. Trying to do as I’m told, without muddying the message with my own feeble insecurities etc.

You spend so many years asking the Universe, “But what should I DO ?” And the Universe tells you, point blank. And you go “But how ? I’m not sure I can make that work. I’m not talented enough”…. The Universe has a long history of breaking my right leg if I don’t pay attention, so I’m onto it. Unsure but doing it anyway 😀

Nightrose
Nightrose

Perfect, timely reminder. Thx MM.

Charley
Charley

Post Venus Retro and I’ve whoosed back into the land of the LZ’s, ugh, bummer. Valentine’s Day can take a hike.

To be fair I’m at the start of my Pluto Square Venus transit AND Uranus Opposite Venus – first hits are always the worst right? 110% ready for anything they will bring or even if I’m not ready I am open and up for it. Gotta make the difficult ones worth it. Those words, resonate.

Veronica
Veronica

Hi Charley, nice to see you posting again.
I thought you were loved up? Back to LZ times?

Charley
Charley

Hi, thanks! Yes, I moved house and had internet outages. Yeah I was and it’s not working out, disappointing but what can you do? Keep on I guess.

Veronica
Veronica

Bummer! Was he an Aries? (Your kryptonite, if I remember correctly)

Charley
Charley

No a sweet (if a little controlling) Capricorn, with Pisces rising, a relationship that seems to make him strong and me weak, through no fault of either of us.

The Aries kryptonite is still out there, still love him, even though I shouldn’t. One of those.

calypso
calypso

hi Charley, I’m having the same transits re: Venus. Just staying out of the game in any meaningful way atm….

Charley
Charley

Best way I think. I actually don’t feel like any of that stuff at the moment, all of it is annoying me. ‘Pain in the ass but probably very useful eventually Venus transit’ support group starts here?

electric eel libran
electric eel libran

trophy-hookups? okay. I’m down with that but where are they?
Knowing my luck, it just means I’ll get an actual trophy.

electric eel libran
electric eel libran

and i just blogged that on tumblr too. what wonderful synchronicity! get well soon mystic! never underestimate the power of an epsom salt and MSM bath.

Emg
Emg

I had a rather deep and amazing day yesterday which wasn’t anything like it was supposed to be and I learned so much about a situation and the ripples it had sent out over the decades. I am having to let loads of what I heard filter through me now but I will say that although I can understand the statement above completely, there are times when that just isn’t complex enough and although value may seem to be missing it may just be under a tsunami of emotion from the years before.

Jessiemo
Jessiemo

What? Over the decades? Faskinating!

LaLuz
LaLuz

God, I love that typo. “””Faskinating!””” What a beautiful, quirky, evocative word. I shall be using it!

Emg
Emg

Yeah four decades to be more precise. Actually you could say five if you include another soul in that and then of course it is infinite when you look at the ripples. But I will limit myself to this one in question and now I can see through the illusion with even greater clarity. So much begins to make sense and a gentle faith is descending on me.

prowlncrab
prowlncrab

Ummm … am I a cute Cancerian with an eccentric personality? Coz Oracle just said something intriguing ……………….. !

fallen angel
fallen angel

Yes. You. Are! 🙂

Double Happiness
Double Happiness

Pretty much!

Veronica
Veronica

Most definitelt

Veronica
Veronica

-y

Scorpbot
Scorpbot

Yep. That’s you. 🙂

Chrysalis
Chrysalis

Rest up Mystic! x
Your ‘Dining Dead’ Valentine’s post from either last year or the year before is still one of my all-time faves.

iris aquacat
iris aquacat

BAM!!!

Domestic Triffid
Domestic Triffid

Carmilla by Joseph Sheridan Le Fanu. You can get it for about a dollar on Kindle. Well worth a read for a spooky valentine….

Hope your back is better soon Mystic !

pi
pi

good. i’m feeling goth-dramatic. show me whatcha got, stars.

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Ugh.. New love interest, dinner last night, great time and falling over with wanting to be close to him.. physically.. SIGH! I am trying to take it slow this time! This is crap! He is very interested but then he will be gone for who knows how long. ?? Do I or Don’t I! gag!!

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Ok.. Mystic “Peeps”.. HELP ME!! This new guy who I like but doesn’t live where I live.. not yet anyway: I just got an email from an ex of his. I have girlfriends that are / were friends with her. So, the story goes from her he is trouble “Be careful”. I let him know about the contact and I said that we need to talk later. Is there any truth when an ex-gf shows up and throws dirt at guys? (sigh) This email came from someone over 1000 miles away. Holy moly… I have no time for this crap!… Read more »

LaLuz
LaLuz

If she is truly an “ex” and not a semi-current, by all means heed her advice.

electric eel libran
electric eel libran

i would def. heed her advice! I was in a similar situation back in the LZ fiasco of 2005. An ex told me about how psycho this guy was and i didn’t believe her. I was like….but i can still save him….nope…nope..nope.. can’t save crazy…can’t help someone who wants no help.

scorpio_rising
scorpio_rising

I didn’t heed the many red flags and warnings from friends, exs and a rape victim.
I paid dearly for my ignorance and naviety. He was obsessive,controlling, jealous, rageful and dangerous. Tried to kill me.
Listen to her, take notes see if they seem possible. She may save your life, and you may not know.

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

She was living in his house, while he was down where I am now, until this past Tuesday. He said she’s crazy and so did a girlfriend of mine! Ugh!!

Then why did you let her live in your house and why is she freaking out if he let her stay at his house. I am nuts?

Mistress Gem
Mistress Gem

My jealous/controlling/insecure/bullying ex (prior to my accepting that he was all of those things and it wasn’t some “phase”), always referred to ALL of his ex girlfriends as crazy.HE WAS THE CRAZY ONE!

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

BINGO! I can’t say this enough and yes I know some of you guys are one of those “once I break up, me and the ex will always hate each other”-type, but if a person says every one of their exes is a bitch/psycho RUN! While there is a 1% chance it could be true. But chances are that person is the psycho NOT the exes. One of the first things I find out about a new person now is if they have had at least 3 bf/gf how many of those are they still on friends or “ok” terms… Read more »

Nightrose
Nightrose

I dunno about this, are you sure EEL? How do others feel? I don’t speak to any of my exes. I’m not calling any if them psycho or have negative attitudes toward them but I don’t keep in contact with any of them. I have Venus Pluto square. When I’m done, I’m done. One ex of mine I actively tried to be friends with and him me after we were together for over 5 years. It didn’t work out and he kept defaulting to acting like he knew me when he didn’t. I felt he was overstepping his “friend” boundary,… Read more »

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

not keeping in contact is fine. People move on and that’s normal! You don’t have to be best buds that hang out after a break up. But after a break up, if you loathe your ex, there is still unfinished biz. “Active dislike” is a form of energy sucking.

Nightrose
Nightrose

Some of my exes I actively dislike. I don’t dwell on it as a random action but this manifests as just cutting all contact.
If I feel they really did me wrong or was an asshole about things then yes, there is dislike and Im keeping myself faaaar from them.
I don’t hate any of them. But I prefer not to keep their company due to said assholism. I don’t want their energy in my life.

I still don’t think I’m psycho. Maybe an elephant but not psycho lol.

Double Happiness
Double Happiness

when over its over! Moon in Scorp…did try to with my first longtime partner as we had a business together but in the end he was still the same lazy useless prick he always was – I just woke up.

leogroover
leogroover

Interesting im moon in scorp too but I never say never. I have a strong venus in cancer its a curse

Nightrose
Nightrose

Hmm maybe it’s my Aqua Moon = detachment

Double Happiness
Double Happiness

When I ran into him yrs later it was hugs all round – but hang out and be friends – no – fuq me over you don’t get to be my friend….too many wonderful supportive friends who NEVER fuqed me over that I spend my time live and energy on – don’t think everyone should do as I do

brioche
brioche

and people that have just been dealt some psycho/violence/threatening stuff will often seem ‘crazy’ to outsiders!

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Interesting comment. This girl being labeled as crazy is actually going through some crappy times. She is homeless, has an ex, she is losing friends.. It would make sense to me why she is freaking out. This guy I am getting to know is doing very well financially. Anyway.. it is possible she is freaking out about her life and she doesn’t see the green pastures of hope so she blames him. She tried to breakup a friend of mine and her boyfriend. Claiming that my friend was sleeping with this guy I am getting to know. It is very… Read more »

Double Happiness
Double Happiness

Ellie it is so hard to know! Am a virgo too and as we know Uranus in Aries is all about the unpredictability factor in our intimate relationship….. Yay….it’s like we cannot judge clearly anymore and enter into love with people who seem perfect but we missed the signals we would usually see a mile off. Maybe this is not one of those occasions – eyes wide open honey and trust your instincts

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Thanks Double Happiness!! xo!!

Blue Moon
Blue Moon

VirgoElle. Women do not just “go crazy” for no reason. It’s a big red flashing light. Yes you are attracted to him. Ok that’s cool But is it viable or even a worthy investment of your time and energy? The beginning of a relationship is when it’s supposed to be totally amazing. If you’re already feeling conflicted, I’d suggest you step back and try to detach a little. If he’s all that, you’ll find out because he proves it. Rushing in is never a good idea re men and red lights IMO And I’ve known a few lol Seriously. If… Read more »

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

Even if he’s not the psycho, you have to wonder what is so messed up about this guy that he invites psychos into his life.

scorpio_rising
scorpio_rising

Maybe they’re both nuts or brought it out in each other.
Heed her warning, talk to your other friend, then meditate on it.
It depends on what she warned you about him.
Most of the time there’s a kernel of truth in it.
good luck and always proceed with caution.

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Hi 12th.. I don’t. He is living in my home town so a lot of the people he knows.. I know. So far he is getting a good response about me. But 2 people I know have stated this girl who contacted me is a psycho. I am still shocked that she contacted me when we aren’t friends, she doesn’t even know where he and I are in our new connection and she just throws up nasty stuff about him. He is an extremely wealthy man, has an unfortunate situation with his ex and 2 children.. and I just don’t… Read more »

Domestic Triffid
Domestic Triffid

Wait. If he is truly interested in you and it is meant to happen, then it will happen…. On the other hand, jumping into bed with someone who doesn’t live near you and who’s ex still lives in his house ? And they’re calling each other crazy through mutual friends ….? Messy to say the least. Sounds like high school. Mercury retrograde will be making everything less clear, just to help. Just wait. The situation will clear itself up one way or another; and you will be in position to make a clear headed decision, without the emotional load of… Read more »

starlore
starlore

Virgo Ellie – I just want to add my support to what many others are saying. If they are each calling the other one crazy, then I would say that they are both crazy-ish. They have attracted each other for a reason and are at the same frequency.
Which is not at all to imply that you are at that level – most probably he is sexy. But don’t let that base attraction overtake.

You WILL find a partner. And when you do there will be no drama at all.

scorpio_rising
scorpio_rising

He maybe in a poly relationship. Sounds messy. Wait ’til he is single?

echo-echo
echo-echo

regrettable years of hard lessons aside on my part…. if you’re already asking THOSE questions about him BEFORE getting involved… why would you want to go there??? Woman’s instinct and intuition is an eerily powerful thing, if only to balance the woman’s equally powerful and blind urge for love and merging. Heed the warning and run! Your time is too precious! There are better candidates just around the corner. I have been that x-girl giving the warning, which was shared with the offender, and have thus been written off as crazy. These guys know how to twist anything into their… Read more »

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

WOW.. Thank You Mystic “Peeps”.. I really appreciate it. Trying to make this round of a relationship worth my time so I don’t become a LZ. There is a lot to factor into this. These are the good qualities I see in him (1) He lives in my home town and knows a lot of people there. (2) I met his sister and she is just as loving, married, successful as I would want from a friend. (3) He is confident and yes a typical male that he thinks I can’t live without him (4) he is successful. He gets… Read more »

KatAq
KatAq

Not all of us. A little condescending

anon flux
anon flux

😉

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Oh no.. my post was a little condescending??

Pi
Pi

I think KatAq meant the assumption of sex being the main focus for a man. I have my own opinions on this but I think that’s what he (assume he) was referring to.

Scorpbot
Scorpbot

Oooh what’s your opinion on the matter?
Curious because it was an issue for me during Venus Rx. It’s always an issue for me to be honest *sigh*

Oops. I initially wrote “an issue for MEN” not ME

Pi
Pi

i guess i am a little divided on the matter. I think maybe what it comes down to is that the desires of each person ‘match’. I hate to have a partner who turns into a pain in the ass if I just don’t feel like it, but at the same time, I need to remember to not hassle them when the shoe is on the other foot 🙂 Maybe this is where Venus-Mars synergies come into it. e.g. the Libran venus-pluto guy I dated for a while was by far the most civilised man I’ve been involved with, but… Read more »

Pi
Pi

point to add, no one wants to feel pressured into sex just to keep someone happy. that’s obvious. but sometimes in my exp usually ‘he’ is the one whose happiness is determined by how much sex he’s getting. Then again, if I were in a relationship that was not mostly sizzling, i’d be annoyed too, … oh I don’t know. ask me when i actually find myself in a relationship 😉 x

anon flux
anon flux

I’ve always found it difficult to find men who can keep up with my libido – it’s just less socially acceptable for women to admit to things like that so I don’t know that there’s a generalisation that isn’t skewed by the cultural mood of the day.

pi
pi

I totally don’t get the ‘less socially acceptable’ thing… Then again that could be my Aries Venus sextile toro Jupiter/ lilith 😉

NON FLUX
NON FLUX

😆 let’s just say lilith conjunct ascendant is the least of my worries in this arena – and it is all about the arens you understand 😉

NON FLUX
NON FLUX

yes that’s arens with an a.

Why when this is such a comment heavy blog is it set up with threads this way I find myself wondering almost daily.

echo-echo
echo-echo

Please reread the cons, then reread them again. This guy has shit relationship potential even on paper (which is what you want him for). What is so special about you? Nothing. “Same shit, different day.” Sorry to be so blunt 🙁 I wish someone was with me

echo-echo
echo-echo

Im sorry if Im very negative, but the things you described plus your ‘lust goggles’ give me major warning bells. Please weigh that feeling of comfort with all the other feelings this situation gives you.

echo-echo
echo-echo

And don’t let that feeling of comfort sway you because you find it “so difficult to find”. That scarcity mindset will lead you to accept situations and treatment WAY below what you deserve. Spoken from experiance here, I don’t want to tell my long and horrible story again but gosh you sound just like me! Its not worth it!!

Pi
Pi

yeah i’d agree with this. the bedwork might be great, enjoy it, but don’t let that convince you that he has much more to offer outside that. Sit back and let him prove himself, don’t go running up to him with a basket of goodies every time while he sits there and lets himself be worshipped. Take the emotional investment out of this if you can, for now, and see what he’s actually bringing to the party in the next few months. I don’t mean $. I mean of Him. Cap moon has spoken 😉 x

scorpio_rising
scorpio_rising

There’s more cons than pros.

(3) He is confident and yes a typical male that he thinks I can’t live without him

Not a good sign! Overly confident, perhaps egotistical or narcissist.

davidl
davidl

The full moon will conjunct my natal Uranus in Leo, astro.com describes it as “something different” , acting rashly, impulsively … same same 🙂
I wonder if there is any insurance for astro transits ? Would Aries have higher premiums ?

Hope you get better quickly Myst. Rest is the best for fast recovery x

electriceellibran
electriceellibran

I had read on some astrology site where they tested how many insurance claims were turned in for wrecks that Aries was among the better drivers! of course i also suspect Aries might not turn in small dings or might attempt car DIY fix too!

Andromeda
Andromeda

That’s interesting! The Aries Sun’s I know are excellent drivers. Ayrton Senna was one too of course.
The Aries Moon peeps I know.. notsomuch.

LotusFlower
LotusFlower

That is so worth thinking on / remembering. Thank you! I’ve been doing battle recently with my LZ tendencies (not killed by Venus Retro and no sign after either). Either I kill all hope dead before knowing which feels like drowning dreams/kittens or.. well, if I don’t, the maybes and fantasies and ‘this is impossibles’ return. And then I think – hang on, a minute – is this valuing myself, letting this take up valuable brain/emotional space. So maybe I’m not so good at facing facts (esp when they aren’t in front of me) but this is what getting a… Read more »

LotusFlower
LotusFlower

Could we plan to add in an oracle question – ‘does x value and respect me’? Or ‘what kind of a love is this’?

(My Moon in 8th, Venus-Pluto conj also wants a ‘are they thinking of only me’ hahaha.)

Sabina
Sabina

What do you think?

(Me: Moon in 8th opp Sat/Venus Scorps. Venus sextile Mars, Mars trine Moon. No escape.)

http://youtu.be/v_xl5UVVopc

Sabina
Sabina

Full Moon on my Pluto, tr Uranus opp Merc, tr Pluto cj Mars/NN.

LotusFlower
LotusFlower

That’s a nice slice of darkness. I like it’s theatricality. Although I never like to see discord between sisters so that part of it appeals less.

electriceellibran
electriceellibran

i like the second question more. what kind of love is this?

The first one doesn’t need oracles to divine.

Quadrupled
Quadrupled

Get well soon Mystic! xoxo

fallen angel
fallen angel

My Goddess that’s precious and so resonant.. but honey Mystic, I hope your back get’s better? Perhaps a chance to Neptune out and stare dreamily at the ceiling as the late summer breeze wafts in? Take care hun.

Also suffering from a left sprained thumb and now a massive cold. And the worse thing? I coughed so hard it brought my period on a week early (or seemed to).

Pegasus
Pegasus

Well here’s a Thumbs Up to you Sweetness!
Sent Myst a get well soon because there is nothing better than a better you, a couple of posts back.
Injuries show activeness even uf they bail you up for a while.
Says she who is always tripping up & occasionally splattering.
Rest time for you both. Sending fast heal thoughts. xx

S
S

This is so true.
Especially when you cast your eye over past loves. The painful reality is it wasn’t even love and reflect maybe I’ve never been loved before.

Savannah
Savannah

Ditto!
I just sigh & think oh well. That saying has been part of my mantra since Neptune got out of Aqua, when it had been all over my natal sun, merc & Venus all in the 7th house. Hard lessons learnt.

Mystic Medusa
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