D.I.Y. Astro Jupiter Versus Saturn

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Here we go people: yes the Jupiter Versus Saturn ratio was looked at a long time ago but it’s time for a revisit. It is one of THE keys to working your chart successfully and yes, we need to be fully ON and dynamic in the Zap Zone.

As always with D.I.Y. Astro – looking at this sort of thing IS how you learn astrology. You just need to generate your birth chart on Astrodienst, find Jupiter/Saturn and then pop back here. So long as you are not trying to score an actual reading off the more astro erudite people here, no question is too dumb. This is how we learn.

So the glyph for Jupiter looks like Jupiter glyphthe one on the left and Saturn is Saturn Glyph
on the right.  To simplify things, let’s just say that Saturn is lessons in life and where you have to work your arse off to get anywhere but that once you’re put that effort in, it becomes your shiniest source of pride. People would probably freak if they knew how hard you had strived to reach that point. Jupiter is where the good living comes easy. It’s where you are blessed, it’s where you CAN actually wing it a little bit. It’s where you put in some oomph and bang – major rewards.

So you i.d your natal Jupiter and Saturn. Look at the House or Sector they are in and what planets are cosied up along side them. Imagine that you need to always have a hardcore plan with your Saturn area and Jupiter is where you are ideally dauntless and optimistic. (There are heaps of previous D.I.Y Astro posts about what the various houses mean). Check the “Houses” category as well.

BUT WAIT…there is more. You can also check out the current positions of Jupiter and Saturn, to see where they are transitting and the same rules apply. AND, see what sort of aspect the two planets make. An officially positive aspect between Jupiter and Saturn (a sextile, trine or conjunction) means you get that Risk-Security balance pretty much correct in life. You’re a visionary pragmatist. You have fun but not to some ludicrous, dysfunctional extent. You like to prosper but automatically self-nurture.

A beneficial link between Jupiter and Saturn is a big bonus. What about the square or opposition? You gotta concentrate so as not to sort of insanely oscillate between Jupiter & Saturn  consciousness in a non-productive fashion. Successful entrepreneurs, people who can lead in a corporate or government setting without turning into a pod person and creative talent with well managed careers all tend to have strong, good Jupiter-Saturn aspects. Or they’ve learned the hard way how to manage them.

A really classic example of a Jupiter-Saturn fuq up is those companies you hear about who enjoy massive debt-fuelled growth and an orgy of publicity but the fundamentals aren’t right. And yes, you guessed it, Saturn is the fundamentals. The skeleton of the enterprise. Jupiter goes out to pitch schizz at lunch, Saturn does the books.

So please check out your Jupiter-Saturn ratio and as always, Astro-Fiends please help the newbies in the Comments.  F.y.i i am doing a D.I.Y. Astro Hacks book this year, it will be my no schizz guide to hacking your birth chart.

 

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Smishkins
Smishkins
January 8, 2014 3:36 pm

Hi there!

Jupiter conjunct uranus in the early degrees of sag in the seventh house. Opposite chiron. Trine sun (3rd) and trine moon (11th).

Saturn conjunct pluto in libra in the sixth house square my mars and sun in the third house.

Funnily enough my saturn return of a few years ago was pretty easy going? I fell in love and had a baby and felt blissful for the first time ever.

kayo
kayo
January 6, 2014 6:37 pm

Saturn 16 degrees of Scorpio conj. Venus near MC/SN in the 9th. Jupiter 6 degrees of Capricorn conj. Mars, Eros, Neptune in the 11th… all sextile Pluto. As long as I’m scrupulous, everything flows beautifully. I’m not sure where the 11th house comes into play with that clump of planets. Not involved in community groups, and have few friends left after Pluto entered my 12th recently. I grew up in utter poverty/chaos, but I’ve hardly had to work and have attained what a lot of people probably work their asses off most of their lives to achieve. It doesn’t make… Read more »

kayo
kayo
January 6, 2014 6:48 pm
Reply to  kayo

Just remembered Jupiter began trine to my Saturn last September, exact same day I decided what I want to do with my life. Been building toward that goal each day since. It’s been a good and calming energy. Tres unusual for me.

Austin Inanna
Austin Inanna
January 6, 2014 3:39 pm

Saturn conjunct Mars in Cancer in 11th house; Jupiter conjunct Venus in Libra in 2nd house. My Saturn is a workhorse and does not let me be very impulsive (Mars) – must strategize and double-think before I act; Jupiter partnered with Venus in Libra is very jolly and doesn’t worry about it! — a bit of magical thinking and a disconnect with reality (Saturn). Optimistic for No Good Reason! But life is fun and beautiful.

anon floss
anon floss
January 6, 2014 3:57 pm
Reply to  Austin Inanna

I have a strong venus placement that sings in tune with your life is fun and beautiful song AI – there are grinding moments of the flip side but saturn always moves it’s fat ass in the end 😀

Lux Interior is My Co-Pilot
Lux Interior is My Co-Pilot
January 6, 2014 3:17 pm

I’ll buy astro hacks for sure!!

scorpiorising
scorpiorising
January 6, 2014 12:49 pm

All my relationships were way too serious and not as fun as they should have been. I wanted a soul-mate but attracted nothing but trouble my whole life. I do not feel my Jupiter placement has brought me any luck only trouble. It’s as if I attract violent abusive people who end up physically attacking me. Second bf broke my front tooth because he thought I looked at another guy and cut up my paintings right before a big show because he felt I spent too much time on my art and I wasn’t talented enough to have a show.… Read more »

anon flux
anon flux
January 6, 2014 1:13 pm
Reply to  scorpiorising

Jesus. I really want to give you a hug. Are any of the attitudes you speak of able to be attributed to the prevailing cultural vibe of the place you’re in? ie. do you think your friends think that about any woman who experiences those kind of events, or is it just you they’re thinking that about?

anon floss
anon floss
January 6, 2014 1:54 pm
Reply to  anon flux

I’m struck by your use of words – your mention of desiring a soul mate is profound in the context of esoteric astrology, as is the blame issue. It’s different to the astrology we talk about here – you might find some answers or a path to resolution of this if you’re interested in researching esoteric astrology or having a consult with one. Grain of salt when researching though. Some of it’s framed in an old-school theosophical way. I mention this because you have Saturn the planet that rules the esoteric ‘Dweller on the Threshold’ experience IN the house where… Read more »

scorpiorising
scorpiorising
January 8, 2014 2:31 am
Reply to  anon floss

I’ll check that out. Thanks!

scorpiorising
scorpiorising
January 8, 2014 2:44 am
Reply to  anon floss

wow, that explains something.
Luckily, I’ve met a partner after many years of attracting extremely abusive boyfriends.
I felt I was cursed.
I still attract very abusive treatment from my siblings and parents who are in denial. They allow my older siblings to abuse me me emotionally and verbally now.
I grew up feeling that I must deserve to be abused and that I was evil. My entire family called me evil. It’s hard to shake that.

scorpiorising
scorpiorising
January 7, 2014 2:42 am
Reply to  anon flux

I grew up in Seattle. It’s a “progressive & liberal” but many women still blame the woman for rape, and abuse. It’s not really that progressive if you scratch the surface.
Many bleeding heart liberal female friends of mine feel sorry for male addicts and abusers and are highly critical/verbally abusive to the victims. Lots of women that have been suffered generational sexual abuse and lots of dysfunction.
Further research shows Jupiter in Scorpio means something different than I first thought.

ScorpintheSky
ScorpintheSky
January 9, 2014 12:30 pm
Reply to  scorpiorising

Bloody Hell. I think a big part of your journey must be to believe yourself, and then tell your family that what they are saying is mucho loco. Seriously. They are the ones that should support you to get out of abusive relationships. They are criticizing you for a weakness in themselves they fear. Not okay chica. God speed and surround yourself with people who treat you with love and respect. You deserve it. Believe it. Make it happen. (I have Saturn in 7th house too btw, understand how hard it is to create boundaries.TOTALLY worth it.)

Vslr
Vslr
January 6, 2014 11:48 am

Natally Jupiter (12th) in virgo 0 degrees and Saturn (4th) in aqua 0 degrees

Currently saturn transiting my scorpio 2nd house and jupiter in 10th cancer.

I have no idea what that means…so any help most appreciated!

Leo Sparkles
Leo Sparkles
January 6, 2014 10:31 am

I’ll buy the Astro Hack Book!

Lux Interior is My Co-Pilot
Lux Interior is My Co-Pilot
January 6, 2014 10:22 am

It appears that saturn is in Scorp, and at 20 which is close to it position in my natal chart (i.e. 22). Whatever that means.

Also jupiter is in Kataka at 15 degrees…kind of looks like it’s heading for my Venus (Kataka, 26 degrees)…not sure what it means but it looks good to me.

Lux Interior is My Co-Pilot
Lux Interior is My Co-Pilot
January 6, 2014 10:10 am

Saturn in Scorp in the 9th–travel, philosophy, mind expansion—ahhh yeah I’ve had to work on getting my head in the right place and it’s a constant task keeping it there.

Jupiter in aqua in the 11th—hmm–groups, utopian visions and community you. Well I do run a small community arts group for young people and it seems to flow pretty naturally, so I guess that works?

Guess I’d better check out the tran-shits, ha.

Amy
Amy
January 6, 2014 5:35 am

Thank you so much for this DIY. I’ve been working it over and am starting to understand what it means to me. The insight that I have Saturn in my 5th house is revelatory – it explains so much. This resistance to spontaneity has been a stumbling block in my life time and again. My sun sign is Libra with Sagittarius rising, moon in Pisces. Saturn in the 5th house in Sagittarius, cosied up next to Neptune, also in the 5th house but in Scorpio, opposite Jupiter in the 11th house in Gemini. My friends are increasingly important to me,… Read more »

Lola
Lola
January 6, 2014 5:22 am

Saturn at 0 degrees Gemini in the 10th. I’m a classic introvert, I have to work hard at the public face thing, and I’m a performer on top of it, in an industry where face time and ass kiss are golden rules of success. Saturn is opposite natal Neptune….a little tension between the spiritual highs of Neptune and the nuts & bolts of Saturn. I would be so happy to read tarot and do astro and give massage all day but oh yah, the rent. Jupiter in the 5th. I realized the other day that I have been loved by… Read more »

Elise
Elise
January 5, 2014 8:04 pm

Saturn conjunct Mercury in the 2nd house in Sagittarius….. still no idea how to make this one profitable hahaha! And transiting Saturn has just entered my 2nd house… so I guess the time is coming for me to finally figure out what the lesson is?? In my natal chart Jupiter is in the 4th house. That’s Cancer themes I think. Family, home. My midheaven is Cancer too, and Jupiter will be transiting it this year. Transiting Saturn is squaring my natal Jupiter now, so this is probably keeping my happy home from too pie in the sky? Maybe this is… Read more »

raerae/scorp.
raerae/scorp.
January 5, 2014 7:45 pm

any insight would be appreciated as im a newbie

rae
rae
January 5, 2014 7:29 pm

so my jupiter is in leo 4degress in the first house saturn in pisces 22degress in the 8th house both are stationary
hmmm ?

rae
rae
January 5, 2014 7:44 pm
Reply to  rae

and im a scorp with cancer rising aquarius moon

Veronica
Veronica
January 5, 2014 9:09 pm
Reply to  rae

Saturn trines your sun and rising, Jupiter squares your sun and moon.

Maybe you are naturally fluid and in touch with your emotions, but your Aquarian moon is a whole ‘nother thing.
My stepma is Cancerian with Aquarian moon, can be very warm and lovely, but can be very very cold and hard to understand…I am thinking you can be
exceedingly stubborn if pushed.

rae
rae
January 6, 2014 10:31 am
Reply to  Veronica

i used to be stubborn, not so much these days, & i seem to have a much better handle on my emotions as well, I’m with an aquarian & the joke is I’m the sentimental mushy one, as he’s not sentimental at all

anon floss
anon floss
January 5, 2014 7:27 pm

Jupiter in the 3rd as the first planet in the unfathomable domino conjunction with pluto uranus IC sun. There is no separating them. It just makes everything more intense. Saturn in the 10th trine mars in the 3rd along with that conjunction I totally get as part of this whole thing. I was 5-6 when I started walking around the neighbourhood asking people if they had odd jobs so I could earn pocket money. I had an awareness of energy in exchange for coin at an early age. People often pay me more than was quoted because I get things… Read more »

anon floss
anon floss
January 5, 2014 7:31 pm
Reply to  anon floss

saturn’s high standards = people seldom measure up and it’s hard for me not to tell them so. I always end up being friends with my managers and most of them tell me I will never be satisfied with the average ‘foot soldier’ level of commitment or work ethic and that I should work for myself. Which I do. Easier. Less loathing of the adequates.

anon floss
anon floss
January 6, 2014 1:00 pm
Reply to  anon floss

I just realised that ‘foot soldier’ is a particularly poignant way of putting it – the mars is conjunct regulus and a lot of my work involves strategy and the overseeing and communicating of many details. The 3rd is virgo and I’m a multi-tasking freak. Even my volunteer job accidentally turned into me running the crazy fuqed up place – not something I ever aspired to. Transiting Saturn in the 2nd house from my sun gave me the biggest work-derived savings opportunity I’ve ever had – in the middle of the GFC! – and I took it. This has given… Read more »

anon floss
anon floss
January 6, 2014 1:30 pm
Reply to  anon floss

From that experience have discovered it’s liberating to drone. It means you can strategise in your head at the same time. I started taking my phone to the toilet with me during my breaks and putting the plans into evernote. Managed to do the volunteer job remotely from the toilets. I realise this sounds insane but what else can you do once the dominoes start to fall…

Star inspired
Star inspired
January 5, 2014 7:19 pm

Jupiter & Saturn are in exact opposition for me. Jupiter is at 5 Sagittarius in the 11th H (conjunct Neptune) & Saturn is at 5 Genini in the 5th H. The pendulum seems to swing from one end, which is a focus on advocating humanitarian, ethical, equitable reforms &/or involvement with spiritual groups (Jupiter/Neptune in 11th)… to the other end which is a focus on lovers/personal relationships & creative projects of my own & others (Saturn in 5th). I’m finally starting to strike a balance where I’m able to undertake or even begin to merge projects from both ends of… Read more »

katia
katia
January 5, 2014 6:33 pm

My Saturn opposes my Jupiter. Jupiter is conjunct mercury retro, sun and neptune in Sag and happy with my pluto and moon. Saturn is sort of conjunct my asc in Gemini, except it’s retro in my 12th house.

No kidding – it’s a challenge!

JenNoob
JenNoob
January 5, 2014 5:28 pm

Still noob here are my Natal Stats Jupiter Taurus 28°54’36 in house 8 direct Saturn Leo 10°06’37 in house 11 retrograde I still don’t know how retrogrades work I have 6 in my natural chart and have no clear idea on how they work their magic. Much of my chart is a one thing working the opposite signs or houses. I am an Aries Sun, Moon in Cancer and Rising sign Libra talk about a weirdo haha As for the Saturn in the 11th I have have always wanted a family or community but I am also fearful of the… Read more »

DP
DP
January 5, 2014 5:34 pm
Reply to  JenNoob

Jen, I think that is a very accurate reading of Saturn in Leo in the 11th. Leo does have control issues, after all- at least, it can. It wants to be the boss! So the lesson, the tension, is Leo the Boss vs. membership in the community.

That Jupiter… I have to ask: is there family money? Heirlooms? Partner with money? Could also have to do with intense sexuality.

JenNoob
JenNoob
January 6, 2014 9:14 am
Reply to  DP

Well I have no family money only have my brother and his wife and my nephew to my blood relations. I have yet to be in partnership lifelong aka marriage with someone and sadly my sex life hasn’t been intense since 2008/2009 and that was the most intense it ever was. I have had long stretches of independence and not interdependence which is my life long hidden desire maybe not so hidden if tell people on the net or in person but my lack of houses but my empty 4th house has my Imum Coeli in Capricorn 3°23’40. All of… Read more »

fallen angel
fallen angel
January 5, 2014 4:42 pm

Oh God. Here goes.. Jupiter in Libra in the 2nd house, Moon squares Jupiter while my Sun trines it = handles money in a big way, doesn’t do things by halves, loves beauty, elegance and travel, learns most things about self thru relationships with others, well liked, fortunate and cheerful, values money for what it can do for me – MUST learn self-control. Intends to earn money so as to expand my world as I get older thru travel. All true. Saturn in Taurus in the 9th house, trines my Virgo ascendant and Pluto, sextiles Mars = diligent, hard working,… Read more »

milleunanotte
milleunanotte
January 5, 2014 5:27 pm
Reply to  fallen angel

My natal Saturn in Taurus is 6th house but what you have written is also true of me. It squares Venus natally but that Venus is Aquarian 3rd House. Loyal until the minute i leave. And i don’t share anyone’s secrets afterwards. From your previous posts i think you also treasure luxe items, get their use from them.

fallen angel
fallen angel
January 5, 2014 5:47 pm
Reply to  milleunanotte

Yes, loyalty big time..I’m pretty much The Vault. And yes, Mille darling you’re right about the luxe things. I’m not into status as such but the sheer beauty and relevance of a thing to my life..even if that relevance is the extent of knowing I think a particular shade of red is rare and I need to see it everyday 🙂

milleunanotte
milleunanotte
January 5, 2014 7:58 pm
Reply to  fallen angel

Yes it seems i’m better at tidying than full on minimalising, for similar reasons.

gemyogi
gemyogi
January 5, 2014 4:12 pm

Jupiter in 1st house Taurus conjunct Part of Fortune, opposing Neptune. Jupiter in Taurus means I am practical, organised and like material security. All true. Saturn in 11th house Pisces. Vesta and Chiron in 11th as well. Saturn squares my Moon and Mercury and trines Venus in Kataka. Saturn is also opposite Pluto and Uranus in 5th house Virgo. My findings from astro googling: Saturn in 11th: I take friendship seriously and can find socialising tiresome. May feel lonely/separate. 11th represents long term goals and dreams and I am reluctant to commit to them because of a fear of failure.… Read more »

Veronica
Veronica
January 5, 2014 9:23 pm
Reply to  gemyogi

Similar astro with the Saturn in Pisces and the parental discouragement of a career in the arts. I have to say back when I first studied graphic design, there were no computers really, especially as we know them today. Type was copy- fitted practically hand! No wonder I didn’t want to be a designer. Not like now, with 3D animation, web design etc Nowadays I say to my students there are plenty of options in the arts to make a living. Back then the ONLY paradigm was be to a starving, unhinged artist a la Van Gogh, and then only… Read more »

Veronica
Veronica
January 5, 2014 9:25 pm
Reply to  Veronica

Sorry, typos * copy fitted BY hand
*sell work when dead

Scorpbot
Scorpbot
January 5, 2014 9:59 pm
Reply to  Veronica

I have Saturn in Aqua but I also experienced parental discouragement. Maybe it’s a Jupiter in Toro thing? I did graphic design before computers – sticking down bromides with wax, Letraset, Rotring pens etc etc. Loved it!! Makes me think of the dark ages now when I try and explain it Gen Y’s. LOL. We had time to do stuff back then and one had to have a certain level of skill. My Mars in Virgo definitely appreciated it 🙂 Looking forward to using my hands again when I start my fine arts degree this year. Haven’t told my parents… Read more »

Veronica
Veronica
January 6, 2014 12:00 am
Reply to  Scorpbot

BROMIDES! Omg Letraset!! I just could Not get my head around copy fitting. I have mars in Virgo too! but it must have been extremely latent in those days… I was a very spacey 19yr old to start with, and my father passed suddenly in 2nd yr of study. Did love the Rotrings though, and I enjoyed learning hand lettering. A few years later I went to art school and majored in painting, which was a turning point, I was really immersed. More recently I just finished a Masters in natural History Illustration, and I can confidently say Scorpb, that… Read more »

Scorpbot
Scorpbot
January 6, 2014 12:21 am
Reply to  Veronica

Oh wow. That sounds great! Do you have anything in the 9th house? I have Venus in Libra in 9th with Mars transiting through it now. Last time I studied Saturn was in Scorp. It’s like its meant to be. Being a Cap Asc I needed to get my foundations sorted out first before doing something “frivolous”. Late starters we Cap risers are. Mature aged student so Saturn 😀

What’s your astro – sun/moon/Merc/venus/Asc? I remember your name but not sure if you’ve mentioned your sign.

Veronica
Veronica
January 6, 2014 12:32 am
Reply to  Scorpbot

Aries sun, Venus, merc,
Scorp moon and Neptune,
Mars Pluto Uranus in Virgo.
Libran rising, Gemini true node in 9th

I am guessing I am born the year after you and Gemyogi as you guys are dragons and I am
snake year. I kept noticing we have similar placements when I read your posts

Scorpbot
Scorpbot
January 6, 2014 12:10 pm
Reply to  Veronica

oh cool. Funny how some Aries peeps here (if Veronica is your real name) don’t bother with a pseudonym. It’s like… TA DA – here I am 🙂 I do like that about Aries – no beating around the bush.
So many Scorp moons on here!!

A lot of us have the Uranus/Pluto/Mars in Virgo. Mystic included. She has Gem NN too.

Nice chatting to you V. Now that I know your astro I’ll be keeping my eye on you… or should I say my Scorpy laser beam eyes 😯

😆

Gemyogi
Gemyogi
January 6, 2014 8:50 am
Reply to  Scorpbot

Scorpbot you will love bring a mature age art student!!! So cool!

Scorpbot
Scorpbot
January 6, 2014 12:13 pm
Reply to  Gemyogi

thanks Gemyogi. Mature aged is the way to go I reckon. Have so much more to offer and the confidence too. Can’t wait!!!! 😛

Gemyogi
Gemyogi
January 6, 2014 8:48 am
Reply to  Veronica

How funny. I remember bromides and letraset. Started studying graphic design in 1983. Before computers!

I’m glad I finally studied visual art in my 40s, when I was younger I didn’t have the self confidence to believe in my work. And I have good skills and can find work in design while taking over the art world. Bwa ha haaa.

prowlncrab
prowlncrab
January 5, 2014 4:06 pm

Right well as promised … With a Gemini Ascendant the higher self and the human self work hand in hand to communicate and bring down spiritual truths and teachings to others. Oddly enough, in esoteric astrology the ruler of Gemini is Venus and whilst I resonate more with Mercury the teacher and communicator, I do happen to have a 1st house Cancer Venus at 0 degrees. So channelling universal love (not personal human love) is part of the equation. Delivering the message with the love and nurturing essence of Cancer seems to be a fairly apt description of how the… Read more »

Nightrose
Nightrose
January 5, 2014 4:34 pm
Reply to  prowlncrab

WOW that was a great write up. Kind of wish you could read my chart, lol. Thanks for sharing.

milleunanotte
milleunanotte
January 5, 2014 5:15 pm
Reply to  prowlncrab

Fuqing brilliant!

I also Aquarian NN (but in 4th, conjunct IC). It is a very difficult one to work out and i still have lots of ego shifting before it becomes any clearer. However, it can find expression in my work, even though it’s nowhere near what i think it could be doing.

Now i’m seeing my Saturn more as being in 6th House of Service…hmmm…

Will ponder over a couple hours of cleaning decl;uttering minimalising. (Saturn happy; Jupiter filling the space with thoughts and awareness.)

Dyhana
Dyhana
January 6, 2014 5:23 am
Reply to  prowlncrab

wow, that was so well put…. it echoes some similarities in my own chart and helped me see some things in another perspective, thanks!

DP
DP
January 5, 2014 3:41 pm

Jupiter in Virgo in the 3rd= grammar nazi. 😉 Seriously, though, English (communication) was always my best subject, but I can’t make out what that placement in the 3rd is all about. (Although… Jupiter being the great expander… the 3rd being siblings… I DO have brothers who are twins!)

It’s quincunx Saturn in the 10th. In fact, it’s part of a yod as it sextiles Neptune. I see it as my dreamy nature in constant tension with the need to make a living. 🙂

gemstone_333
gemstone_333
January 5, 2014 3:01 pm

Saturn at 22 Taurus widely conjunct the ascendant at 10 Taurus
Jupiter at 0 Scorpio (obviously a wide conjunct to the descendant at 10 Scorpio.

I’ve struggled with these two all my life trying to find balance.

prowlncrab
prowlncrab
January 5, 2014 2:49 pm

Hmmm interesting …. I think it’s important when analysing a chart to clarify ones current philosophical standpoint, as this influences the entire “flavour” of the interpretation. If you are strictly a “we have one life and that’s it” kinda person, then you would view a chart quite differently from someone who believes in the soul, its spiritual journey and the multiple existences it manifests along the way to achieving its purpose. I am definitely in the latter group, so I look at Jupiter and Saturn as practical servants and sign posts to the souls purpose. Saturn in the natal chart… Read more »

milleunanotte
milleunanotte
January 5, 2014 3:00 pm
Reply to  prowlncrab

Could you balance my long-arsed posts with one of your own, please, Prowlers? This view of Jupiter Saturn resonates with me, as it is the work of acting in the daily versus the ease and sense of largesse/freedom of simply being in the spiritual realms that certainly characterises much of me. I have also been born into a very peculiar cultural paradigm…well, mighty peculiar to others but exactly fitting in my own ideal anyway, and i take for granted what others seem to require explaining (but explanation is inadequate for understanding anyway).

prowlncrab
prowlncrab
January 5, 2014 3:20 pm
Reply to  milleunanotte

hehehe … yes I can so relate. Both to peculiar cultural background and wanting to float around in the realm of spirit for ever – coz god it feels nice to be all content, at peace and be whole by doing absolutely nothing. But alas, whilst that is an important stage of journey and there’s loads of healing that goes on in that space, once it’s done it’s time to move on into the action leg of the journey. God knows why it’s important to those soul thingies to create and evolve a bodied species that’s connected to a higher… Read more »

hiddendragonqueen
hiddendragonqueen
January 5, 2014 3:48 pm
Reply to  prowlncrab

my crab was going on and on, before his moon progressed into pisces and his speech and cognition were mostly erased, about how this is all a video game of sorts, and we’re just glowing balls of energy (actually i think that part was my input, whatevs) playing. which i can see, in the context of my gaming addicted little bro and our disconnected, sociopathic society- we just want to feel. something!! and we work so hard to keep these virtual characters alive, and we live through them, and then we get bored and say, well, hey, what happens if… Read more »

milleunanotte
milleunanotte
January 5, 2014 5:00 pm

I guess that’s the importance of the bod: keeps us connected consistently to an experience until we have really truly got to understand it, in a myriad of forms, ages and responses. More than a flash of inspired understanding. The form that is created is persistently connected to other forms, cannot wander off and disengage. Apart from speech/cognition, is your Katakan in bodily health, receptive to touch, and sound? So Katakan, to have such an intuitively appropriate discussion preternaturally.

hiddendragonqueen
hiddendragonqueen
January 5, 2014 7:13 pm
Reply to  milleunanotte

he is receptive to touch and sound, very much so, perhaps too much. bodily, not sure. yesterday (thank you aqua moon) i won a huge 3 week victory to get him off of the awful, hideous antipsychotics that were literally torturing him and making his bodily functions (or lack of) exponentially worse. much is unknown. at the moment he is diapered, fed through a tube in his stomach, heavily medicated, and not allowed to even put his feet on the ground except for certain times. 24-hour babysitter, and the majority of it is for the hospital’s convenience and liability issues,… Read more »

milleunanotte
milleunanotte
January 5, 2014 7:57 pm

This is so intense, HDQ. i can’t understand it: was there some trigger? My reading before seemed to indicate it was out of the blue. how lonely this must feel. But it made sense that you missed mother and grieved again. I don’t know what to say that is helpful, as i’m not great at waiting myself. It’s a bit hard to distract yourself from the love of your life! So i guess one must immerse. Feel like i’m standing here drawing a circle about you, or part of people drawing a circle. We fill it with space and silence.

Andromeda
Andromeda
January 6, 2014 1:36 pm

Mille, you express yourself so beautifully, thank you for writing that.
HDQueen, I am just wishing you so much love and strength, be safe, be strong, xx.

Scorpbot
Scorpbot
January 5, 2014 3:05 pm
Reply to  prowlncrab

Hmm interesting. Yes please! Definitely interested in seeing how it applies in your chart. Go for it! 🙂

prowlncrab
prowlncrab
January 5, 2014 3:21 pm
Reply to  Scorpbot

okey dokes will rustle something up 😉

Scorpbot
Scorpbot
January 5, 2014 4:53 pm
Reply to  prowlncrab

what house is your Mercury in prowln?

Could you somehow combine your gift with words (Gem Asc) with Pluto transiting your 8th plans?

calypso
calypso
January 5, 2014 2:29 pm

unconnected but I just noticed my daughters Part of Fortune is smack bang on my Asc. I’m sure this means something karmic 🙂

anon floss
anon floss
January 5, 2014 7:18 pm
Reply to  calypso

doesn’t that mean your ascendant is at the midpoint of two of her planets?

calypso
calypso
January 8, 2014 4:05 pm
Reply to  anon floss

is that how it works? Astrodienst gives a formula that is Asc + Moon – Sun (degree values/360) for day births.

anon flux
anon flux
January 8, 2014 4:20 pm
Reply to  calypso

weird that I knew your post on this old thread was to me! Yeah, I think was thinking about something else, the school of astro I’m studying (well actually avoiding right now) is all about midpoints. Cafe astrology has a really interesting thing about POF and houses.

calypso
calypso
January 8, 2014 10:23 pm
Reply to  anon flux

oh, thanks for that – I had a look….it’s associated with worldly success and the body/health. hmmm, will ponder that. maybe she’ll become my manager 😉

Katboy
Katboy
January 5, 2014 2:27 pm

I’m a really big novice at all this. I know from a natal chart I’m Scorpio/Jupiter and Capricorn/Saturn. What does this mean to me? (I’m Kat/Sun, Aqua/Moon & Kat/Asc)

milleunanotte
milleunanotte
January 5, 2014 2:55 pm
Reply to  Katboy

Well, you could get a basic feel about each of the planets, Jupiter and Saturn, and then see which houses they are in, looking at a site like Cafe Astrology, which is really good for basic interpretations. Astrodienst helps you delve deeper but can be complex. So the houses mean which numbered slice of the pie is Scorpio in? If Kataka is your Ascendant, then it could be roughly the 5th house…but it depends. So you would look to see what interpretation Cafe Astro gives on having Jupiter in the 5th house (or 4th nor 6th or whatever), then do… Read more »

Katboy
Katboy
January 5, 2014 3:16 pm
Reply to  milleunanotte

Ta Milleunanotte, I will go to that site cafeastrology which I have checked out a time or two before. I will try and make sense of it.

hiddendragonqueen
hiddendragonqueen
January 5, 2014 2:14 pm

thank you, thank you, thank you. i needed a diy astro- a little structure to balance the astro goo. haven’t been able to comment lately as it all feels so superficial, or selfish, or something (which it is NOT, i’m just in a shell-shocked anti self-dev mindset. not a criticism, i promise- self-dev has been the all and the savior since i found this site, years(!!) ago now.). also, i’ve been holding it together for so long and the moon is finally in pisces and mom is off at a conference and i bought a bottle of pinot and have… Read more »

milleunanotte
milleunanotte
January 5, 2014 2:26 pm

Incredible journey, HDQ, and i just want to say i sometimes feel the same (superficial etc.) which signals i’m grappling with stuff, but can’t post about anything other than my self because i feel it’s all i can discuss with certainty. Lucky 12th house rising Jupiter, too. Walked the line, and won’t go into it now, as i’m sure mentions of things are scattered on old blog posts, and i’m tired of looking at my past. But it’s interesting that your journey is also very apart from your family. Random strangers have often been angels to me when i could… Read more »

hiddendragonqueen
hiddendragonqueen
January 5, 2014 7:01 pm
Reply to  milleunanotte

thanks, millie. the bottle is gone and my heart is still heavy, but it feels good to be a part of here again. true community and support. 🙂 and random savior angels, even to the point of saying, “really? how is this cliche even possible?!?!” though there is no random, only to our limited view. beautiful, the journey, and the companions. xxxx

milleunanotte
milleunanotte
January 6, 2014 12:54 am

Yes it’s good you’re back here, lovely. Bottles always come to an end but that’s no matter, the promise is exciting and there to be enjoyed xxx

Leo Sparkles
Leo Sparkles
January 5, 2014 1:54 pm

Jupiter in 12th in Virgo
Neptune close to it in 12th
and both kind of close to rising sign

Saturn in 10th house Kataka
Venus very close also 10th and
both close to mid heaven

Too many variable here for me to decipher what this energy is or how to work it best. Haven’t looked at transit yet since I don’t know really how to interpret this or best way to brake it down to interpret it. Any suggestions?

DP
DP
January 5, 2014 3:32 pm
Reply to  Leo Sparkles

I have similar aspects- Venus conjunct Saturn, straddling Midheaven (Saturn in 10th).

First, the Venus/Saturn aspect denotes partnering later in life, and also aging well. If Venus is close to the Midheaven, it often indicates a living in the arts, or beauty in some form.

Venus in the 10th can indicate partnering with someone older and successful. But that Saturn in the 10th… ouch. For me, it means it’s been (and still is) a long road to finding your career path.

Scorpbot
Scorpbot
January 5, 2014 8:06 pm
Reply to  DP

it might be a long road but when you finally get there, you’ll be successful. Saturn rewards hard work.

I have Sun conjunct Neptune in 10th and midheaven in Libra and although I’ve been somewhat successful in one chosen arts field I still feel I haven’t found my calling yet – thanks to Neptune. Hopefully my next venture will stick 🙂

I can vouch for Venus/Saturn ageing well. I have Venus square Cap Asc. 🙂

Leo Sparkles
Leo Sparkles
January 6, 2014 5:07 am
Reply to  Scorpbot

Thanks DP and Scopbot. Comments spot on.
I am aging well and the long road career path wow that is very true too.
Any comments on the Neptune/Jupiter in 12th house near the horizon line?

catfish moon
catfish moon
January 5, 2014 1:37 pm

Saturn in Kataka in the 11th……have always had older friends, prefer mature people, more loner and hermit. Family responsibilites from a younger age.
Saturn conjunct sun…very serious, matured fast, responsibility, worked hard and achieved a good bit young.

Jupiter in Aries in 8th. I like scorpios, sex, occult.

Jupiter square Saturn. Flip flop between fun and work, though over years. Just went through a long binger of sorts. Work wins out for longer.
I know tons of people, but few do I ever want to be involved with, close to, talk to.

Scorpbot
Scorpbot
January 5, 2014 12:37 pm

Jupiter in Taurus in 4th house SQUARES Saturn in Aqua in 2nd.
Have done well with real estate but earning a wage/salary is like getting bloody from a stone!!

Have been told a lot of wealthy people have harsh Jupiter / Saturn aspects and I could be rich if I get the balance right.

It’s tricky!!! Still working on it.

Centaurus
Centaurus
January 5, 2014 12:51 pm
Reply to  Scorpbot

Anything else in the mix with these two?

Scorpbot
Scorpbot
January 5, 2014 1:05 pm
Reply to  Centaurus

Jupiter trines Pluto and Uranus in 8th.

Saturn trines MC in LIbra and sextiles Cap Asc

Saturn trines NN in 6th.

More than two planets and my brain starts getting foggy 🙂

Centaurus
Centaurus
January 5, 2014 1:29 pm
Reply to  Scorpbot

Mine too though I’m attempting to train it otherwise 🙂

Just pondering the Jupiter trine to Pluto/Uranus makes me wonder if in relation to the 8th and also you mentioned property. Perhaps luck/thinking big coupled with innovation/lateral thinking and hard work/commitment will generate income via selling property eg renovate ’em and sell for profit?

Scorpbot
Scorpbot
January 5, 2014 1:50 pm
Reply to  Centaurus

Nah, I can’t imagine anything worse. I renovated properly – a kitchen from scratch in my current abode for the first time ever and hated it!!!! I don’t know how people do it for fun. I now see the connection with 8th house as my lucky break (other peoples resources). Interestingly enough my dad has moon in Taurus conjunct my Jupes in 4th – isn’t 4th house father? I think maybe the key lies with my NN in Gem in 6th trine Saturn. Mystic mentioned it when she did my chart but I haven’t “grokked” it completely yet. Thanks for… Read more »

Centaurus
Centaurus
January 5, 2014 2:44 pm
Reply to  Scorpbot

Hahaha, I’ve done a bit of reno work and both loved and hated it. I couldn’t do it as a full time thing myself. Well NN and 6th house, work, health service etc is worthy of contemplation. Isn’t it the last house in the stages of personal development? 4th house is childhood, parents, ancestry, conditioning and ironically enough, real estate and property. It may have more paternal elements. Definitely if you consider it the end of all 3rd house searching which may be more inward (yin) and then bringing it to the world being more outward (yang) or this could… Read more »

DP
DP
January 5, 2014 3:27 pm
Reply to  Scorpbot

Jupiter in Taurus in the 4th- I imagine someone who has a lovely, comfortable home, and loves to spend time there.

Scorpbot
Scorpbot
January 5, 2014 3:44 pm
Reply to  DP

Absolutely!! Love my sofa too 😉 Saggo moon loves to travel but i love coming “home” just as much.

Have always wanted my own home – dreamed about it ever since I was a kid.

DP
DP
January 5, 2014 3:49 pm
Reply to  Scorpbot

I know what you mean- I have a 9th house pileup and Sagittarius Mars in 5th, so travel is necessary- but with Moon in the 4th (Scorp), I MUST have a nest to return to. I must have a sense of Home.

I think you will definitely have your own home! (If I read you right and you don’t “own” yet)

Scorpbot
Scorpbot
January 5, 2014 4:27 pm
Reply to  DP

Had my first ever real home / mortgage during my first Saturn return! How’s THAT astro for natal Saturn in the second house! 🙂

Current abode is my 4th. Have always bought then sold and moved onto something better. 5 years is about my average. Have never stayed longer than that. Something always happens and I have to leave – moon in Saggo square Uranus perhaps? 🙂

Nightrose
Nightrose
January 6, 2014 4:27 am
Reply to  Scorpbot

How interesting…I have Saturn in 4th and I also started mortgage life during my first Saturn Return.

I totally love the sound of moving every 5 years. Sun + Uranus in Sagg 🙂

Symphony
Symphony
January 5, 2014 12:14 pm

Thanks so much to everyone who responded about how to work out degrees 🙂

Kakata/Aries68
Kakata/Aries68
January 5, 2014 12:10 pm

Newbie here! After a few years as a subscriber, I’m only just starting to look into my chart. Thank goodness for MM’s fabulous consults.

I have Jupiter at 3 degrees Virgo and Saturn at 24 degrees Aries.

Any insights career wise greatly appreciated.

Centaurus
Centaurus
January 5, 2014 12:56 pm
Reply to  Kakata/Aries68

Which houses are they in? Do they have any conjunctions, squares or trines to other planets?

Kakata/Aries68
Kakata/Aries68
January 5, 2014 2:07 pm
Reply to  Centaurus

Jupiter is in the 5th house, Saturn is in the 1st house. No squares, I have Neptune trine Scorpio, and Mars, Mercury and Venus conjunctions.

Apologies if I haven’t used the correct terminology here – still learning. Baby steps. Thanks for the questions – made me look at my chart properly.

Centaurus
Centaurus
January 5, 2014 2:34 pm
Reply to  Kakata/Aries68

Well straight up Jupiter in the 5th should be pretty inspiring imo. Check out Jupiter’s traits and also 5th house and see what you get. 5th is love, creativity amongst others. And check out the nature of Saturn and then 1st house which is things like childhood, external mask, self image etc. Look at all traits of the planets, both positive and not so and don’t fixate on one. If you do find yourself doing this then consider why it’s attracting your attention for relevant clues but look broadly. Then reread diy for perspective. You might be lost… well it… Read more »

Centaurus
Centaurus
January 5, 2014 2:47 pm
Reply to  Centaurus

*one 🙂

Kakata/Aries68
Kakata/Aries68
January 5, 2014 2:55 pm
Reply to  Centaurus

Thank you so much Centaurus. So much to research 🙂 And just from your input, I’m wondering even more how I ended up in the career I have now. I’ve been itching for a whole new direction, and in 2014 I finally feel ready to start that journey.

DP
DP
January 5, 2014 3:24 pm
Reply to  Kakata/Aries68

Interesting that Jupiter is in the 5th, yet is Virgo. You’re meticulous about having fun?

I could see this aspect showing someone who makes art of a very intricate kind.

Saturn in the 1st… perhaps lessons in who you are? Who you perceive yourself to be? In Aries… do you have trouble asserting who you are?

Scorpbot
Scorpbot
January 5, 2014 4:45 pm
Reply to  DP

I know someone with Saturn in first – very insecure and he has Mars in Cancer too – trouble asserting himself.

DP
DP
January 5, 2014 5:06 pm
Reply to  Scorpbot

Ooh that’s a double doozy of aspects.

Lib
Lib
January 5, 2014 8:29 pm
Reply to  Scorpbot

Wait, no its Saturn 2nd house that is barriers to self esteem / self worth.

Saturn 1st house is just the mask one wears- people unknowingly come across as stern, yet high court judges / authority figures usually have Saturn 1st house. kids with this saturn 1st can be desribed as old souls / responsible due to Saturn influence.

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie
January 6, 2014 3:43 am
Reply to  Lib

I have to agree with Saturn in the 2nd house and lacking self-esteem and worth. That is me with a capital T. But it is transitioning through my 2nd house. I just got there in October 2012. I can understand the mask concept in the 1st house because I think I did have a mask prior to October 2012 and during 2010 – 2012 I was being worn out with that mask. October 2012 showed up and holy moly I started being outspoken more thatn I use to and have been completely insecure about how people see me. 1st and… Read more »

Kakata/Aries68
Kakata/Aries68
January 6, 2014 12:09 pm
Reply to  Lib

That makes more sense to me Lib – I can sometimes come across as stern (take my career very seriously), and I do feel like an old soul spiritually.

Kakata/Aries68
Kakata/Aries68
January 5, 2014 4:50 pm
Reply to  DP

DP you’ve just blown me away!!! Yes meticulous about having fun. Yes the last 2 years have been about learning lessons about me (activated by the breakdown of my 16 year marriage & being diagnosed with depression). And now I feel more of my authentic self than I have in my entire life! And yes, had trouble asserting myself throughout most of my adult professional and personal life. I’ve worked hard to get through that – but I still find myself over analysing to the point of stagnation sometimes. I work in the somewhat artistic industry of advertising, but not… Read more »

DP
DP
January 5, 2014 5:05 pm
Reply to  Kakata/Aries68

MM does rock, and so does the community here. I don’t post often, but the peeps here are wonderful- authentic and supportive.

Thanks for the feedback- it’s all so interesting. I feel like Saturn is the Great Delayer, bringing lessons that take decades to learn. It must be very frustrating to have that assertiveness issue filtered by Aries- and yet, there is also your greatest treasure: Aries will fuel your assertiveness ever brighter.

Reminds me of this:
“A man’s greatest strength develops at the point where he overcomes his greatest weakness.”
(Elmer G. Letterman)

Centaurus
Centaurus
January 5, 2014 11:59 am

Jupiter in late degrees Gem conjunct Part Fortune and partway through 2nd. Transit is 2nd in Kataka. From Astrodienst: Saturn in 10th conjunct Chiron and MC. Transit is early 7th just over DC. Saturn square Sun and Mercury in Saggo 7th. Jupiter square Uranus in Virgo 4th. From an individual reading: Jupiter trine MC – no squares, only semi’s to Pallas & Juno. Conjunct Part of Fortune. Saturn square Sun. Conjunct SN. Trine Vesta. Trine MC. Mecury square Uranus, not Jupiter. Saturn in Pisces = intuitive and compassionate worker. In 10th has shown lots of false starts in career but… Read more »

Scorpbot
Scorpbot
January 5, 2014 12:31 pm
Reply to  Centaurus

2nd house is about values, self worth and how you make money through your own efforts versus 8th house (the opposite) which is inheritance and money given to you through a partnership / other people’s resources.

Centaurus
Centaurus
January 5, 2014 12:48 pm
Reply to  Scorpbot

Good call Scorpbot. That ties in with some life themes particularly relevant now as Pluto is in opposition to Saturn and Pluto currently transiting my 8th. Independent career is a concept I’m delving into.

milleunanotte
milleunanotte
January 5, 2014 2:11 pm
Reply to  Scorpbot

Yes, fortunate exchange teaching about values, worth and ideas of self. You have a lot of talent there. I certainly learn much from your thoughts on things.

8th can also be other people’s secrets, deepest motivations.

Centaurus
Centaurus
January 5, 2014 2:18 pm
Reply to  milleunanotte

Ahh… yes that feels right too with the futuristic view Mille and you are so kind, doubt often gets in the way of owning that one xo

milleunanotte
milleunanotte
January 5, 2014 2:27 pm
Reply to  Centaurus

That convo you had with the interrupter gave it all away, darlin’. I was awed!

Centaurus
Centaurus
January 5, 2014 6:13 pm
Reply to  milleunanotte

Am I right in thinking that was a blog thing some time ago?

milleunanotte
milleunanotte
January 6, 2014 12:51 am
Reply to  Centaurus

Haha no on the phone!!! C’mon i’m the afflicted Mercury!

Twin-gemini
Twin-gemini
January 5, 2014 11:55 am

My Saturn in Airies in 7th House (my Descendent) and Jupiter in Venus in 11th House.
My late father , one of the Xes and two sons are all Aries. Even my lady-boss is!
And I was always been lucky with friends and support I have from them – they are my family.
Anybody can add anything to my insights?
All comments are welcome.

sas
sas
January 5, 2014 11:47 am

I have Saturn 9 Degrees /Jupiter 10 degrees Conjunction at the end of my first house in Libra. I kinda get the Saturn/Jupiter Conjunction but my question the the Astro Fiends out there is how this manifests in the 1st House Libra – The First house and this conjunction always puzzled me a bit …. My interpretation is that I have is that my Learning/Life lessons always end up being very fortunate – All most the worst things end up being the luckiest for me ?? Do you think this is correct ? this conjunction trines my Mercury/Mars Conjunction in… Read more »

Waratah Karloo
Waratah Karloo
January 5, 2014 11:42 am

The zap zone has been proving a beearch for my last year, I’ve just learnt to roll with the punches so to speak. Venus, Mars conjunct 5th house and Jupiter in 6th but still conjunct mars all in Scorp, Tada Saturn directly opposite Mars in 11th. I figure Saturn transiting over all my fun stuff has been in direct oppostiion to my natal saturn and so I’m just kinda sitting back and letting them go at eachother. Seems that with all my efforts to get shizz out there, the universe is being really clear with me that I haven’t found… Read more »

Ala
Ala
January 5, 2014 11:06 am

Natal my Saturn and Jupiter are conjunct within 4° in Libra 7th. So in my life I’ve faced many challenges as well as been lucky in 7th house matters. I have a packed 7th so many lessons for me to learn. 5 planets in that house including my Virgo Sun. Transiting, Saturn is in 8th house which has brought up much for me in regards to 8th house matters. Transiting Jupiter in 5th now and will move back to fourth in the next retrograde.

Bonnie
Bonnie
January 5, 2014 10:56 am

Oh I wish I was better at this! Jupiter 13 Scorp, Jupiter 24 Libra. I’m a Libran. Any ideas? Help much appreciated. xox

Bonnie
Bonnie
January 5, 2014 10:57 am
Reply to  Bonnie

Jupiter: 6th house
Saturn: 5th house
xox

Bonnie
Bonnie
January 5, 2014 11:05 am
Reply to  Bonnie

Oops. Totally messed it up.
Jupiter Scorpio 13°54’40, in house 6 direct
Saturn Libra 24°23’18 in house 5 direct

Pegasus
Pegasus
January 5, 2014 10:53 am

Just thinking about Saturn a few days ago when i was asking ‘why do make mistakes STILL-the lessons just keep coming endlessly’.
Jupes in Sagg in 11th house and until the last few years have been incredibly lucky, perhaps the luck run out as the wrinkles emerge..lol
Saturn in Leo 8th house. Yes, death fascinates me and want to talk about it
but it’s not a subject that is popular so i remain silent.

Scorpbot
Scorpbot
January 5, 2014 1:39 pm
Reply to  Pegasus

TALK about it Pegs!! It’s about time somebody did. Fascinates me too. I have Pluto/Uranus and Mars in 8th.

Saturn in Leo – make it popular. Leo can! 🙂

Veronica
Veronica
January 5, 2014 2:54 pm
Reply to  Pegasus

Yes, talk about it, death is an interesting subject, we’re all going to do it, and we’ve all done it already….

and while you’re
Around, Pegs, wanted to know your opinion about Baba Dez from Sedona? Is a tantric practitioner and sex therapist. On youtube, a doco on him, Sex Magic, Manifesting Maya, there is a trailer as well (still don’t know how to cut and paste links on iPad)
Anyway, pretty sure he is a Sagg…I’d be interested to hear your take

Pegasus
Pegasus
January 6, 2014 9:45 pm
Reply to  Veronica

Veronica, had dealings with his promoter when he was in Oz a few years back. Gave me the creeps!
The myth of the trickster stealing women’s magic comes to mind.
Margot Anand is The Tantric Goddess, you can’t get purer than her.
Go for White Tantra.

nushka
nushka
January 5, 2014 3:10 pm
Reply to  Pegasus

Please talk about this and explore! Understanding death is part of conscious living, we are meant to be unafraid.
I work in the area of birthings and pregnancy now, spent years involved with death and dying before. Is all on the spectrum. Lots of books written on the subject. Knowledge of how it all works can enable us to live every day fully and consciously. I am a firm believer in past lives as well, how can you not be?!!

hiddendragonqueen
hiddendragonqueen
January 5, 2014 3:35 pm
Reply to  Pegasus

break thy silence, thou winged one!!! pluto transiting the first few degrees of my 8th and i would love to be a rapt disciple. well, not disciple, exactly… follow no one… but you know.
on second thought, wait until the horse year begins. timing!

fallen angel
fallen angel
January 5, 2014 4:15 pm
Reply to  Pegasus

honey.. saturn in leo 8th, hello, “the death and sex show”. Meaning speak and perform, present how interrelated those two things are. It’s not called le petite morte for nothing no?

And do we not always escape from and to death in the throes of bliss? I think you’re very uniquely situated and experienced for this subject, and as a Sagg, you’d draw humor and spiritual largesse into your lessons.

WOOHOO
WOOHOO
January 5, 2014 10:51 am

You’d think Jupiter in the Fifth would be lucky in love….. baha! Nope. Last degrees of Aries but first degrees of the house.

Saturn in a Saggittarian Twelfth House. Any suggestions on how I can max it our……. Saturn return looming guys!

WOOHOO
WOOHOO
January 5, 2014 11:04 am
Reply to  WOOHOO

Maybe I can become a spy…. I’ve always wanted to be a spy 😛 I feel like Saggittarius and the Twelfth House don’t mesh well. Freedom in restriction……. well, I guess that does somewhat characterise me. I do feel freer when I am restricted.

From memory one of my Mystic consults had said when I’m a mother my children will be awesome – something like that.

Scorpbot
Scorpbot
January 5, 2014 1:41 pm
Reply to  WOOHOO

A Saggo spy!! LMAO!! 😆 …. Dressed as a clown 😛 that’s the image that came to mind. Who would suspect a clown anyway? Lol

milleunanotte
milleunanotte
January 5, 2014 2:04 pm
Reply to  Scorpbot

i had just that convo recently where the lady said to me, “You actually look like a French spy so people would be suspicious, while I look ordinary and would therefore never be suspected.”

I think Ms, whom i have been missing of late, said something to the tune of a horse with its head in a box with Not Here written on it 😀

Scorpbot
Scorpbot
January 5, 2014 3:28 pm
Reply to  milleunanotte

LOL. I do remember that comment now that you mention it. 😀

WOOHOO
WOOHOO
January 5, 2014 5:33 pm
Reply to  Scorpbot

I seem to have this knack where people just tell me stuff.

anon floss
anon floss
January 5, 2014 7:15 pm
Reply to  Scorpbot

OMG I’m deeply suspicious of clowns! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wayne_Gacy

DP
DP
January 5, 2014 3:16 pm
Reply to  WOOHOO

I would say that placement tells of lessons regarding exploring your inner world, how it relates to the outer world, maybe keeping a balance between the two. Adventures in the subconscious. I think a meditation practice would be very useful if you don’t have one already.

Chrysalis
Chrysalis
January 5, 2014 1:16 pm
Reply to  WOOHOO

Y’know Woohoo I have been reading your story here for a while and I reckon maybe you are luckier in love than you think. Just an observation here, take it or leave it – but if I remember it properly you’ve got rid of a couple of f-wits who weren’t treating you well, which was difficult but you did it anyway. Perhaps that was part of the process. I read time and again of people for whom Jupiter took stuff away first but then it turned out to be blessings in disguise.

Chrysalis
Chrysalis
January 5, 2014 1:17 pm
Reply to  Chrysalis

… I mean so that now you are better prepped for Big Love when Jupiter sends him your way

milleunanotte
milleunanotte
January 5, 2014 2:06 pm
Reply to  Chrysalis

Jupiter took away health things moving through my 6th Taurus. But i have replaced with better health through the 6th 12th matrix.

WOOHOO
WOOHOO
January 5, 2014 5:50 pm
Reply to  Chrysalis

Yeah, my observation of Jupiter transits are the big rewards come right at the end.

You’re right, my love life could be worse. It might be the Aries rulership. I want and I want it yesterday. I could take advantage of Jupiter more than I do, the opportunity to have many flings…. but seventh house stellium in Cancer has no interest in flinging about with random men. I don’t feel comfortable with that sort of thing. I dunno.

I hope you’re right about “Big Love”.

Mitra
Mitra
January 6, 2014 1:11 pm
Reply to  WOOHOO

Hi WOHOO, I have the same 5th house/12 house jupiter/saturn as you, but mine is Virgo/Aries. Being a bit older than you and still working on it (sorry), for me Saturn in the 12th signals the need to focus on deeper meaning of life and the higher self for other parts of life to fall into place, including maximising the good fortunes of Jupiter. I think that if you ignore that Saturn placement, you could feel dissatisfied and restless? My Saturn is conjunct Mars, so perhaps I feel the need to work on that a bit harder! I guess there… Read more »

Kitty
Kitty
January 5, 2014 10:47 am

My daughter’s Sun is exactly conjunct my Saturn.. Let me tell you, this couldn’t be more appropriate.

catfish moon
catfish moon
January 5, 2014 1:30 pm
Reply to  Kitty

My saturn conjuncts my mom’s sun in Kataka. My sun conjuncts my saturn and her sun conjuncts her saturn.
Fun times…..Ha! WE are very close though.

sal29
sal29
January 5, 2014 2:13 pm
Reply to  Kitty

Oof. My mom’s Saturn opposes my Sun. Fortunately the signs involved are somewhat-passive Virgo and Pisces; I think in other signs, it would’ve just been constant struggles.

GFTpisces
GFTpisces
January 5, 2014 9:18 am

YES, definitely looking forward to that book! Jupiter in Aqua 6th House. Definitely enjoy the benefits of a robust constitution — rarely get sick, can eat and drink almost anything with few nasty side effects. Of course, I recognize that being able to drink others under the table and stay standing is my Jupiterean excess/taking something for granted, and now that I’m getting older (Saturn return will be starting soon in November!) I can feel the effects more, especially the next morning. I’ve also always been generally successful at work and definitely able to wing it successfully often. Saturn in… Read more »

sal29
sal29
January 5, 2014 8:47 am

Jupiter in Capricorn, 4th house: I’ve read a few interpretations of this, one saying that I’d likely lean towards Zen Buddhism, finding the strictness and discipline appealing, and another saying that I’d be happiest moving far from where my parents are. The latter is definitely true and I’ve moved house a few times, getting progressively further from my hometown. I’d like to turn the anti-parent angle, though, and rather say that it’s more that I’m strongly compelled to create a home of my own and have the freedom to explore what that looks like. Saturn doesn’t aspect it in my… Read more »

david5379
david5379
January 5, 2014 8:18 am

My saturn is the strongest planet I have, and jupiter is one of the weakest, behind venus. I have jupiter in the 2nd and saturn in the 6th, and I would say both of those are pretty spot on. I am slowly, and very reluctantly, becoming more and more efficient schedule wise, and my workouts better and better, and I am going to try to start eating healthy too. Actually if anyone has any food advice that would be great.

Dyhana
Dyhana
January 5, 2014 8:26 am
Reply to  david5379

The most general food advice I could give someone I don’t know, and without knowing your habits, is cook…. No matter how well marketed, most prepared food is not very healthy…. start with “simple” “30 min or less recipes” if you don’t already know how… and use quality ingredients, ie, at least organic, maybe studies don’t show that much more vitamins in organic, but it’s what’s NOT there, the chemicals…. fungicides, fertilizers,pesticides, etc. that can accumulate and wreak havoc on the body…. if you can’t afford all organic, at least look up “the dirty dozen” for the worst foods to… Read more »

Nightrose
Nightrose
January 5, 2014 1:47 pm
Reply to  david5379

One of the best things I have come across for not having time/patience to cook but needing all your nutrients is making a shake with Vega protein powder. Its vegan protein, used by this triathlete. http://myvega.com/products/ When I started this powder, I was really desparate. My skin was acting out SO badly – I cleaned up my diet by pretty much subsisting on only miso soup(also a very quick meal with probiotics – you buy the soy paste in an asian market and just add water, tofu and chives to your liking – you can pre-chop them and tupperware it… Read more »

david5379
david5379
January 5, 2014 6:43 pm
Reply to  Nightrose

wait, so you would only eat miso soup and a protein shake, or do they go together is what your saying?

Nightrose
Nightrose
January 5, 2014 9:12 pm
Reply to  david5379

Sorry I wasnt clear – I would have them separately, as different meals. But those 3 things were basically the majority of my diet for a long while as my body/skin reacted badly to anything else I ate.

david5379
david5379
January 6, 2014 10:06 am
Reply to  Nightrose

Looks like a really good product though, thanks a ton

Nightrose
Nightrose
January 7, 2014 3:05 pm
Reply to  david5379

Cool, hope it helps you! 🙂

I still think it’s best to cook and eat organic/juice, etc, but this is a pretty good substitute when time and not the best cooking skills limit you a bit. In no way will it substitute a real meal. Good luck’

hiddendragonqueen
hiddendragonqueen
January 5, 2014 3:29 pm
Reply to  david5379

my food advice is this (saturn trans my 6th): don’t buy shit. anything. if you have to buy salt, buy good salt. if you have to buy oil, buy good (ie local olive or coconut or nut) oil. if you need a junk fix, buy nuts or dried fruit. boxes of baby kale are the best invention of the 21st century. if, out of habit, you buy (like me) marshmallows, or chips, or a loaf of bread, or a frozen pizza, you will eat it, and you will feel like shit. be that uppity bitch that has a cart of… Read more »

david5379
david5379
January 5, 2014 6:45 pm

ya maybe I should just finally go all out, I think I have been avoiding it because I know I could pull it off and be disciplined enough too. I know that seams like a weird reason, but I know once I go for it I probably won’t go back.

hiddendragonqueen
hiddendragonqueen
January 5, 2014 7:26 pm
Reply to  david5379

i totally get that. it’s the whole “one more celebration” mentality. i do it too- i think maybe everybody does? the thing is, though, that good food a. makes you feel better, b. tastes way better, c. makes you look and perform better, and d. TASTES 10000000x BETTER. when you look at it that way, putting it off isn’t a celebration at all- it’s swimming in the swamp of mediocrity when there’s a crystal clear lake 10 feet away. but it really is an all or nothing proposition, and you’ll get there in your own time. college is a hard… Read more »

Dyhana
Dyhana
January 6, 2014 5:01 am
Reply to  david5379

at first it takes discipline… and then one day you give in to a hankering for the old junk and it actually tastes like crap….. you don’t go back then because you don’t really want to anymore…..

anon floss
anon floss
January 5, 2014 7:13 pm
Reply to  david5379

Was thinking of you the other day david – nothing to do with saturn or jupiter, but your bronie post. in borderlands 2 after defeating handsome jack you feed butt stallion eridium and he pukes and shits rainbows of loot – fleetingly hilarious.

david5379
david5379
January 6, 2014 8:35 am
Reply to  anon floss

Haha, I forgot about that, I don’t remember what I said but ya uggh. Thats cool you were playing borderlands.

anon floss
anon floss
January 6, 2014 12:28 pm
Reply to  david5379

Borderlands is totally inspirational – how they use colour is phenomenal. Sometimes when I’m watching the news I find myself thinking ‘that’s totally borderlands’ though – not so cool… unless there is a herd of loot puking ponies yet to come, the world is in a wee bit of trouble. Not sure if you’ve ever done any image theory at school but the intertextuality is beyond clever. I just realised I do actually know of something that might be of use to you with the food sitch. This stuff is quite good if you’re looking for a balanced thing –… Read more »

newmoon17
newmoon17
January 5, 2014 7:34 am

my saturn and jupiter are squared in my natal chart, saturn in the 3rd (sag) jupiter in the 6th (pisces); current transit is jupiter trine saturn though, so does this mean the usual tension i feel btw the two planets is being mitigated somewhat?

Raché(Aqua/Tauri)
Raché(Aqua/Tauri)
January 5, 2014 7:28 am

Yikes, I have Jupiter square Saturn. Disorganized. Work or party hard but can’t do both at the same time so I do that unhealthy oscillation thing. Trying to integrate it all…otherwise my Saturn has lots of good aspects (Mars trine Saturn, Saturn-Uranus conjunction, Sun sextile Saturn).

Golightly
Golightly
January 5, 2014 1:26 pm

Finally someone I can relate to…. Also have jup conj Chiron and Lilith in 7th (op asc) square sat conj mc. You would think sat in 10 would be great but it’s in cancer. Limitation in the breast dept if u know what i mean. But great career luck! Occasionally I work for a production company that does sound and light for music shows and what not and it’s like making the party my work and it feels really appropriate. I can be in the middle of it but sober and have purpose. It’s the only way I can mix… Read more »

catfish moon
catfish moon
January 5, 2014 1:27 pm

I have Jupiter square saturn as well. I don’t do routine. I wish I could, but at least have carved out a life where I don’t have to.

Di
Di
January 5, 2014 7:24 am

Hey y’all!

I have Jupiter at 0′ Virgo and Saturn 21′ Virgo, both in 12th house. So confusing!! Ah! And my Ascendant is 25′ Virgo… I should now by now what it means… 🙁 any help would be really appreciated.

Saludos desde México!

Pegasus
Pegasus
January 5, 2014 10:47 am
Reply to  Di

Greetings from South Australia to Mexico, Hanna.

Think you have to have more presence here before the astro wise women assist you with queries, have noticed that from my years here. And help you they certainly will especially if you are subscriber which is real value for money plus give you hints for your own blog.

Scorpbot
Scorpbot
January 5, 2014 12:45 pm
Reply to  Pegasus

True Pegs. Besides, who has the time?!! If something jumps out at me I might say something and I might point someone in the right direction but I’m too busy reading all the comments and trying to learn. So many posts to catch up on at the moment too.

Also being a regular you get to know and remember people’s astro and more likely to take the time to comment. 🙂

anon floss
anon floss
January 5, 2014 9:17 pm
Reply to  Pegasus

I wish I spoke spanish so I could understand your site, I was into the mayan glyphs and day count years ago when life was simpler – it’s a harmonious rhythm and one that your site has reminded me I could probably work with again without it getting in the way of external routines. Do you use the calendar yourself? This is mystic’s explanation of the 12th house http://mysticmedusa.com/2009/09/the-12th-house/, if you read that in combination with her description of the planets above and also have a look here http://www.cafeastrology.com/risingsignsascendant.html#virgoascendant at this post about the ascendant – which you have saturn… Read more »

willowwolf
willowwolf
January 5, 2014 7:18 am

That is to true. I felt when I had my
Son that i, at a really deep level Was making a commitment to life on earth. It was a really gut wrenching time for me, as until then i Always felt i had a choice – whether to stay or not. It also meant trying to find purpose.
I was 21 as natal saturn opposes my sun, transiting saturn was forming a t-square.

willowwolf
willowwolf
January 5, 2014 7:20 am
Reply to  willowwolf

This was a reply to scorporation above…..

Kitty
Kitty
January 5, 2014 10:51 am
Reply to  willowwolf

I struggled with the same things when I decided to have my daughter and even now. I can’t use the emergency exit door now, and not only that but I’m forced to care in a way I used to self medicate for. Her sun is exactly conjunct my saturn.

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie
January 5, 2014 6:05 am

Thank you for this. So, I have Jupiter (N/T) in Cancer (9th house) = New Horizon, Travel, Beliefs Saturn in (N) Pisces – 5th house = Creative expression, romance Saturn in (T) Scorpio – 2nd House = Money, Resources, talent, peace Jupiter placement I am ok with no concerns as of yet. Saturn… for my 5th house does this mean that I need to work my creative expression and romance techniques better? I am currently looking at my communication skills AND I am in acting that I am moving forward with a vengeance.. a little scared but I need to… Read more »

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie
January 5, 2014 6:06 am
Reply to  Virgo Ellie

Oh and Chiron is sitting next to Saturn in my 5th house.

anon floss
anon floss
January 5, 2014 8:57 pm
Reply to  Virgo Ellie

saturn transiting the 2nd usually involves a reduction in income or available funds so the fact you’re removing it from yourself of your own accord is a positive thing VE – better that than someone else reining you in. You’re doing a good thing 😉

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie
January 6, 2014 12:24 am
Reply to  anon floss

Thanks! (wiping sweat from my forehead).. 🙂

Saturn-hates-me
Saturn-hates-me
January 5, 2014 5:11 am

What does the ratio mean? I have Jupiter Gemini 3rd house direct and Saturn in Pisces 12th house retrograde and… I have a Jupiter Square Saturn! Am I doomed?

milleunanotte
milleunanotte
January 5, 2014 1:57 pm

OK we all bitch about Saturn because we prefer anything to duty. But Saturn does not really hate us: if Saturn hated us he would leave us to stew in our shit.

You’re not doomed; you have to work the expansive-reductive energies until you get it right. T^hen you’ll have diamonds.

http://messagesfromthefaeries.com/2013/06/02/faerie-card-reading-for-the-week-of-june-3rd-to-june-9th/

nushka
nushka
January 5, 2014 3:14 pm
Reply to  milleunanotte

I regard Saturn as a necessary, like pruning rose bushes to get the best possible outcome of glorious abundant growth and flowering, cut off the dead wood. Feel better?

fallen angel
fallen angel
January 5, 2014 4:09 pm

Saturn like hard work. You get those elbows dirty and he responds. Pluto however…shiver.

WOOHOO
WOOHOO
January 5, 2014 11:42 pm

I misread your name as Saturn-hautes-me…

Saturn-hates-me
Saturn-hates-me
January 6, 2014 12:40 am
Reply to  WOOHOO

Ha! That’s better, I may go with that 😉

FYI – I replied to the other comments last night but it never showed up, tried to reply again and I go the duplicate message comment.

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