Karmic W.T.F.? Animosity

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Here is a classic Moon in Pisces topic.

I’ve never figured out the astrology behind Karmic W.T.F. Animosity because the repellent force field of it is so radical, you don’t even want to know, let alone look at some chart.

You know what i am talking about, right? The opposite of instant attraction, some sort of negative but strong chemistry that occurs very rarely. Fortunately.

The last time it happened to me was this thing (being deliberately vague here) about six months ago and this woman across the room and I lock glances in instant mutual repulsion. No reason. The energy realized itself before there was even a chance to clock who she might be or make any snap judgements re appearance, whatever. 

Then, through no fault of either of us, we end up being introduced; same thing. A shudder. Can barely stand to be in the same few meters of another and the mutual response: a shrug and a grunt. “She’s usually really lovely,” says the host in puzzlement. I don’t want to know. Nor, I assume, does she.

When it’s Karmic W.T.F.? Animosity you don’t want to know a single thing about the other person, there is no curiosity, just that visceral reaction of needing to be out of their orbit a.s.a.p.  It’s as irrationally intense as the far more pleasurable instant lust-crush that feels karmic. 

What IS going on here?  Could chemistry/D.N.A./neurotransmitters explain this in a less whacko fashion? Or is there some sort of ancestral/past-life thing going on that certain souls just trigger a super unpleasant memory? Because even though the slate is clean in this life, whatever went on aeons ago left a trace.

Thoughts?

 

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Lili

Repulsion complex triggers when I am in groups of women- colleagues and I have to scram. Their “nice” words don’t match their energy- disconnect makes me nuts. I have 9th Uranus and 10th Pluto- kind of paranoid in crowds-groups. Irritation towards one woman in particular- friend/colleague- who always acts sweet, but is patronizing. Presses my gotta-go-Gem-Mars button. Her NN and mine are exact opposite. With loaded 12th I figure it’s all karmic-LOL!! Middle Virgo son is Venus-Mars Scorp and Gem Moon- Talk about reactive-scathing! Working on that filter so he remains employable… I tell him not all truths need be… Read more »

MIB
MIB

This happens between me and my new boss woman… the minute I heard that somebody got the job, I felt sick… it’s getting worse every day… she tried to make friends first, a best girlfriend kind of thing, then a trusted ally-mentor kind of scheme and as it didn’t work, now she set up a DAILY 30minutes-meeting with me for the next TEN WEEKS to control me… it’s only a matter of time that I quit…

KaD
KaD

I’ve read about a case like this before (in a book The Essence of Gemstones by Renate Sperling) and it was a past life thing, a soul recognition of a past relationship that was negative not positive.

Andromeda
Andromeda

The only astrologically verifiable such incident was on meeting a new friend’s husband.

Turns out his Scorpio Sun was exact conjunct my Scorpio Moon, my Leo Sun exact conjunct his Leo Moon.

calypso
calypso

so what do you think that means Andy – couldn’t it mean you would really relate to each other? my Leo bestie’s Moon is on my Sun…and how did it play out over time?

SinNombre Verdad
SinNombre Verdad

wtf!animosity

it is the frequency in dischord
felt like hail on thin tin roof
it’s dental drilling nerve ends
anaphalaxic at the root
an out of phasic enmity
destructive interferently
in a field quite incoherently

Namaste

as for vice-versus, the lusty may be constructively interfering

calypso
calypso

are you just each operating out of your own subconscious wounds? and it doesn’t actually matter who the other is, just how you can exercise something in yourself?

and ah….sounds problematic?

calypso
calypso

what about when you are floored by a strong sensation of lust without even having had the chance to see someone properly. Happened to me at the beginning of the year, quite something.

Scorpbot
Scorpbot

Yes it is quite something. I’ve had that a few times. Twice – it turned out really well. A few disasters too.

So, I reckon it was all in my head… over active imagination. Neptune fog 🙂

cosmic fleece
cosmic fleece

Sounds past life.
We tend to go through with the same soul groups,
Sounds too close to the bone to deal with this time round !
Did your top lip curl ?
xx

Link
Link

I read the other day from Eric Francis that a planet in hard aspect to the Galactic Centre can have a polarising effect. I have Asc conjunct Galatic Centre, so I guess I’m used to being a polarising figure before I even speak. I’ve given up trying to stupidly ingratiate myself using witty (?) or self-deprecating repartee in order to calm people down who I sense view me with suspicion sans any known reason. Such people are obvious in my life I can pick ’em I a mile off and in the past I have unwittingly considered them a challenge… Read more »

Lux Interior is My Co-Pilot
Lux Interior is My Co-Pilot

I’ve felt it too. Weird as hell. A bristly undercurrent. Personally I think what I experience isn’t karmic, but some kind of astro clash. Like people with some specific aspect or energy make me want to run. I’m not saying those specific aspects are the ones, but there is some astro-aspecty thing out there that makes me feel uncomfortable as hell. It’s a weird fixed energy that I cannot deal with! Being way too mutable.

Fatalia67
Fatalia67

This has happened to me few times. When I was younger I was far too kind to realize what needs to be done. Get away. Cant like and be liked by everybody. Hopefully there is space for this person in the same town, school or nabourhood 🙂 It is not that there is necessarily something wrong with them or You. But there might be a karmic struggle from the other dimensions in play. I have experienced this with an ex. it was about the last man standing alive scenario. Dangerous all over again. Once or thrice I have noticed animosity… Read more »

Virgo Martyr
Virgo Martyr

i pronounce them to be shadowmates…some shadow awareness is always lovely. NOT!

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

If you could gather the wtf animosity person’s astro, then maybe you could begin to glean the astro signature/patterns. My guess is that mutual repulsion leads to avoidance (unlike mutual attraction, which leads to immersion). If you seek, so shall you find.

Disie
Disie

If this ever happens,and it has a few times in my life, I feel higher forces are in play and just leave it alone – it was meant to be that no connection be forged. If you trust in your instincts and your intuition ( are they the same thing?) you have to accept that sometimes things just are. No reason. Or none that we understand. It worried me once – it doesn’t worry me any more. Life is too short to try to make pieces fit if they clearly don’t – only time it is really diabolical is if… Read more »

Ruby Tuesday
Ruby Tuesday

Virgo/Taurus with Mars on the horizon. The most strong recent of these experiences was almost a year ago when I was out with close gf. She pointed out her abusive bf’s mother to me. I turned and instantly felt a gust of very powerful negative energy emanating from her. I turned back to my gf and said “Oh, I really don’t like that energy. Be so very careful of that woman. I also had a strong sense of trickery and concealment. Every time her name came up I felt again, compelled to warn my gf. If I had to guess,… Read more »

Libra9
Libra9

My ex told me a couple of years ago that if I didn’t like someone straight away I would give them the cold shoulder, frozen body, not even look at them. I was stunned. I never knew I did that. My daughter confirmed it the other day.

scorpiorising
scorpiorising

I had this happen to me recently. A bandmate introduced me to his girlfriend, she rolled her eyes, wouldn’t look at me nor acknowledge me then got up and left.
I still have no idea what I did wrong. FYI: I have zero interest in her boyfriend.
I am unsure what I did to offend her.
She attacked her right before a show. Strange energy. I still wonder what I did.

scorpiorising
scorpiorising

To clarify she attacked her boyfriend right before a live show. Very crazy, unbalanced behavior. I got bad vibes after meeting her.

flowerchild
flowerchild

Is this a Pisces Moon thing? Well if it is, I do have natal Pisces Moon and this sort of thing has happened to me a lot in my lifetime, in a variety of ways. It’s usually me, sort of clueless and not realizing for awhile that someone doesn’t like me and then once I realize what’s going on, I feel unsafe and it feels unjust and I try to figure out ‘why’ inside my own head, I never have talked to the person about it. Unfortunately, it’s always been women. I’m a woman and other women generally don’t like… Read more »

Whatidoo
Whatidoo

I can tell when I’m in the presence of evil…I feel it coming off of them. They get angry when they know that I know 🙂 lol I somehow interfere with whatever scheme they’re hatching. It’s kind of like an arrogance detector. I don’t have to say anything. It’s all in their eyes.

Triplehorn
Triplehorn

I had this happen a few years ago. Friend invited her to a dinner. We were so rude to each other, everyone was shocked. No particular reason, I just instantly hated her and it was mutual. Funny thing is, I can even remember her name or what she looked like. Maybe pheromones?

Charles
Charles

I remember DIon Fortune wrote about this. Some people, you just have instant antipathy for them. I recall she wrote a little doggerel about it, that stuck with me for all these years: “I do not like you Mr. Fell, The reason why I cannot tell.” BTW sorry for any typing errors, I can barely see what I’m doing, I just got back from an eye exam and my eyes are still dilated. After the exam, the ophthalmologist gave me a grave look of concern and asked if I ever had an eye injury when I was young. I said,… Read more »

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

It’s much older than that, like late 17th century. It goes:

I do not like thee Dr Fell
Exactly why I cannot tell
But this I know and know full well
I do not like thee Dr Fell

And i hope your eyes are fine.

Charles
Charles

Yeah, I’m sure she was quoting far more ancient folk tales. I don’t recall the circumstances where she used it, or who originally wrote it. But now I have an urge to read her novels again. My eyes are fine, although until you mentioned it, I forgot about it, and now that I check, they are a bit inflamed. Oh man she really poked around my left eye, I thought there was something seriously wrong. Maybe there is but she just didn’t tell me. I have been having some general problems. First there’s my tinnitus, which is really annoying since… Read more »

calypso
calypso

🙂

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

😆

But seriously, Charles, don’t fall apart, man!

Vslr
Vslr

First time my ex took me out for dinner I walked a few steps behind him to listen to my feelings – And what came up was “this man will take everything from me without mercy”. And then our evening continued. Its come to bite me in the bum every time.

I was pining over him today and just have to remind myself of how pathetic his excuses for the breakup was.

Have only ever experienced the “locking gaze from across the room and having a silent conversation” with my first ever love…

scorpiorising
scorpiorising

This is an intriguing topic. I always wondered about it too.
Some people just crawl under the skin and annoy the carp outta me. I hate it. Hate being annoyed. Trying to rise above it.

LeoEscapeArtist
LeoEscapeArtist

Remember Ellen Barkin in the Sea of Love…she snaps her fingers indicating that’s the magic she seeks. Karmic WTF Animosity and its opposite are fav research topics of mine…so beyond projection, law of attraction, the birthchart…it’s like when 2 peeps looks fab on paper but real time…no way. The law of magic reveals itself via finger snappin’ 🙂

electric eel libran
electric eel libran

i’m going to guess:

a.) look at South Node or North Node. I was very very repelled by people who strongly represented the sign on my NN for the longest time, hated with a passion until i learned to work its gift. South Node can also bring wtf-ery.

b.) blame mars. esp if there is a rivalry.

anon flux
anon flux

i agree re mars and also think venus. only happened to me twice but it was mars venus for sure. First time I had an instant dislike for a woman (this is very unusual for me, usually I’m indifferent towards people if I don’t feel a vibe and I never fuq with people unless they fuq with me first) I asked my boyfriend if he was shagging her. He denied it. I believed him. He was shit at lying so I would’ve known if it was true. Ten years later she slept with my boyfriend (not the same man). The… Read more »

hdq
hdq

Random astro tangent that may or may not matter: asteroid DNA will cross the Aries point this week. Tomorrow, maybe? Perhaps it has something to do with the pain and weepiness people have been experiencing. Which, love to you all. Xxxxxx

anon flux
anon flux

I saw your initial post about the mad sudden unfolding re hospitalisation of your partner? Have never really conversed with you so felt disingenuous saying anything then (some random with no previous context saying something about a thing as important as that always seems a bit strange to me – like going to the funeral of a person you don’t know or something) but I was sending big love vibes nonetheless and hope things are getting better for you and your loved ones. And I wonder if there’ll be a breakthrough in research as the asteroid crosses Aries 0 –… Read more »

hdq
hdq

Thanks, AF. I understand the awkwardness, certainly, having been there myself and then later feeling guilty. No worries, mate. (Have always wanted to say that – apologies if its the most obnoxious thing ever.) Big love is super, super appreciated. Thank you! Wish I had progress to report, but no. He’s waiting for me, and I leave this Friday the 13th.

Research breakthroughs would be excellent. Let everything that’s been incubating through Pisces come rushing out… I’d always associated the asteroid more with ancestors, but the science angle is cool.

anon flux
anon flux

‘no worries mate’ the most obnoxious thing ever? LOL Possibly. It’s a curious colloquialism that has been the subject of much debate at my house. It’s used in so many different contexts, but no worries, I’m taking YOUR no worries in the spirit intended. 😉

Gemyogi
Gemyogi

Yes also hoping for a recovery or miracle lovely HDQ. XX

hdq
hdq

Meeee too, me too. Thank you dahlink. Xx

Pi
Pi

junk DNA. not junk at all eh. yes i agree with your line of thinking over various comments here. [over my more basic mirror/envy thing]

anon flux
anon flux

you can take the artist out of the lab… 😉

12th house Virgo
12th house Virgo

Once with a guy at work. Something about the way he smelled, his clothes – honestly, not sure what. I thought of those things after I immediately hated him. Thankfully, never had to interact with him again.

pi
pi

Just re-read the post. The way you describe it, which is across-room mutual instant dislike and then some, part of me would want to figure this out with the person ie in conversation, acknowledging the wierdness. Anotther part of me would just make an exit and keep a psychic watch on the situation.

pi
pi

My theory is that they Mirror something about us, or there is some kind of recognition or envy (rivalry? As mentioned above) yet to be defined. How to deal? Not sure. Cautiously? and with trustworthy networks/informants in place. Also some navel-gazing, watching ourselves as closely as the other , analysing our own responses.

moved on
moved on

Mmmmm. I’ve read this in psychology theory too and I don’t think it fits what mystic is describing. It’s too generic. What she describes is so personal that it’s a shock to the soul and leaves you wondering wtf for weeks or months afterwards. The same depth as that ‘meeting of eyes across the room’ affect in instant attraction. I’ve had both several times and the initial repulsion/attraction always plays out true to the first impression. I now run in the oposite direction if it occurs – for both. The intensity is too much to bear.

Fatalia67
Fatalia67

I agree with the moved on here. The ususal mirroring relationship happens daily, specially with narcisisists. It a lot different. More disturbing. it is not only jealousy. But knowing about the mirrors helps.

Ruby Tuesday
Ruby Tuesday

Could not agree more Moved On.

anon flux
anon flux

Sometimes it’s not something from the past. It’s something that hasn’t happened yet.

GeorgeSand
GeorgeSand

I’m of the same opinion/observation as you. There’s one particular person that I’m thinking of. The first time I met him I had an instant repulsion to him. He turned out to be the biggest sociopath I’ve ever had the misfortune of encountering. Shudder.

scorpiorising
scorpiorising

Intuition kicking in.
I disregarded my gut instinct reactions to a this guy. I was repulsed but a mutual friend said I was being an overly judgmental snob. My gut was right sociopath.
Possibly a deep Karmic gut reaction. I am not sure I believe in past lives or not, still open minded to it, but yes, very possible past life connections.

anon flux
anon flux

yeah – precognition or something similar. I’m all for mystical shit and believe in magic but I think as scientists unravel DNA it will become clearer that we all hold all the stories and experiences of the people we have come from http://ow.ly/rCjsE

calypso
calypso

I totally believe both these things so I wonder why you used the “but” there AF?

anon flux
anon flux

cos empirical science isn’t magic even if it had its roots in alchemy

calypso
calypso

empirical science is only the vehicle for recognition and will only reveal more magic! I think it’s an “and” scenario 🙂

scorpiorising
scorpiorising

I agree, the DNA retains powerful genetic memories.

anon flux
anon flux

for sure. there was a mining disaster a few years ago and it was always referred to in the news by the name of the mine but not the location and whenever it was mentioned in the news or I read about it I would have these crazy surges of electricity go through my body and when I saw the images of the land this also happened. Then months later I saw a map of where it was and recognised that it was the place my great grandmother lived because I’d read the word written on the back of the… Read more »

calypso
calypso

I feel like this about the West coast of Ireland

scorpiorising
scorpiorising

I know what you mean, very intense!

scorpiorising
scorpiorising

I agree Anon Flux.

catfish moon
catfish moon

my pisces sun son did mushrooms tonight, got way to high. He woke me up at 11:45 tripping balls. My older Aqua son is helping me babysit.

Totally sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Today is awful. Aqua son woke up a jerk. I got upset. Torro and I got in a fight where he said he was leaving. made up quickly. Then this.
Torro is pissed.

Failure as a mom.

calypso
calypso

aw, shit – I feel like that today too CM. It’s just, shit’s getting a bit crazy. I’m gunna try the Neptune vibes tonight xx

Scorpbot
Scorpbot

ahh yeah… shit is getting crazy. I agree 😕

moved on
moved on

Yep. I looked over at a pot plant last night I’ve had for 12months to see 2 gold top magic mushies sprouting up. I couldn’t believe my eyes! I even googled to see if my memory was playing tricks on me. 20 years ago I would’ve been gleeful. Not sure I’d even go there now. Neptune temptation you reckon?

anon flux
anon flux

alternative perspective – that’s not the kind of thing you want to share with someone you don’t love and trust when you’re already full immersion. you go to the circle of trust. i figure the fact he could come to you tripping balls is a sign that you’re a pretty awesome mum. Later you will hear this from him.

catfish moon
catfish moon

Thank you.
Yes. He took them at home after we were all asleep.
Had some funny moments and some good ones where he looked in my face and said, Beautiful.

I asked what do you see when you look at me. HE said everything, the whole universe!

But that was before he lost touch and started screaming high pitched and miserable, shaken and isolated in whatever dark world he went to.

Grateful, I am the one he runs to.

electric eel libran
electric eel libran

you are not a failure! mushrooms is pretty tame. it could be a lot worse.

hdq
hdq

Yeah, I am being called by datura. Scariest of the scary and not something that I would EVER consciously choose. But there she is, beckoning…

I agree with it being an affirmation of his love and trust for you. It’s a beautiful thing! Hugs for the strain on your already stressed psyche and family though. Xxx

catfish moon
catfish moon

He lost his mind for awhile. BAD! When I wrote that last night we hadn’t gotten to the worst of it. I knew it was horrible when Torro who had been pissed, got scared. He was behaving like he was on a bad acid trip, not a mellow meltdown on mushrooms. I’ve never seen anyone this tweaked on mushrooms and I grew up in the south. We would pick them out of the fields. I amalso an ex psychedelic hippy who use to go on Dead and Phish tour. I’ve seen really messed up people. He said he’s done it… Read more »

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

Could be that he is allergic to mold/mushrooms/fungi and therefore should not be shrooming for his own health..or maybe he got a bad batch like contaminated? I mean i have no idea…could also just be a bad trip. Hopefully he learned his lesson and won’t be repeating that. I’m glad no further injury happened!

catfish moon
catfish moon

Thanks. The worst part was only an hour, just felt like an eternity to poor worried mom.

anon flux
anon flux

have you sighted the fungi? He might’ve taken something that looked safe but wasn’t. Not that I know anything about parenting so please ignore if not relevant but if he’s experimental like that possibly a good thing to hook him up with a fungi expert so he knows which ones are ‘safe’? Forewarned is forearmed? Knowledge is power…

anon flux
anon flux

and glad to hear your little psychonaut is OK.

catfish moon
catfish moon

Thank you! He’s fine just so embarrassed he was angry and sad.
oh well….the life of a pisces boy in puberty.
I did see the shrooms in his vomit….LOL. Pretty sure they were okay. But yes, definately worth a conversation about double checking what you get.

catfish moon
catfish moon

Part of what scared me…..
His dad knew a girl who never came back from mushrooms. Have heard of another.

One of his best friend’s sister died this spring. She overdosed on Ecstacy. A beautiful girl, sweet, and I loved her. She’s gone. Her mom and I have been friends since before our sons were alive. Too soon for me.

I didn’t know if he had done anything else. He swears he didn’t. He’s sooo young, too young.

Savannah
Savannah

It feels like the last week, just joking there’s a need to get out of town. There’s a reason. Sometimes you can become friends, in the end. There’s a woman from the 90’s all my friends loved her but all I remember is her stealing most of my vintage stuff from the restaurant that I loaned to one of our mutual friends.

Waterylibran
Waterylibran

I had this happen when I was pregnant with my second son. A couple of times at hospital visits a certain doctor was on – it was a mutual uggh every time we set eyes on each other. Anyway, fast forward to going into labour. From the moment it started I knew there was something not right – so off to hospital quick smart. Get into the delivery room, midwife takes one look, steps outside and I swear she hit the panic button. Who should come tearing through the door – that’s right you guessed it. There I was having… Read more »

Lilith
Lilith

The opposing forces of someone with a strong Lilith and none whatsoever.

Quadrupled
Quadrupled

One Pluto hardwired to another Pluto?

I used to receive instant hate very frequently — I have Pluto square Sun/oppose Ascendant.

Speaking of Karmic connections, only a few of them play out I think —

This weekend I met someone whose NN conjunct my Moon, whose Moon conjunct my Saturn and whose Mars conjunct my Pluto. I was curious how all these would play out.

We talked shop, shook hands and went our way.

Raché(Aqua/Tauri)
Raché(Aqua/Tauri)

“It’s as irrationally intense as the far more pleasurable instant lust-crush that feels karmic.” Yes. Exactly. I’ve had things with women that have felt like this and people try to play it off as “cattiness”. Nah. It’s gender-neutral. I usually don’t notice it with men unless it’s a friend of a friend or lover, I guess same with women….friend of a friend or lover. But more pronounced there because we’re expected to be a pack or whatever and more likely to not arouse conflict unless absolutely necessary. The thing here is that when I get this feeling initially typically the… Read more »

FelineFoe
FelineFoe

Weird, but so often that initial loathing is the gateway to a deep connection – if forced into continue contact.

Scorched Earth
Scorched Earth

It really could be anything, but yes absolutely a karmic link that isn’t triggered until in the same space as someone else and if negatively then it may be due to what went down. If it feels more that than anything else, eg the way they wear their hair or smell etc then a tie cutting/clearing can be done with permission of their higher self quite separate from individual identity levels. This may also provide some insight into.. well history so to speak. I am always a little entertained when something starts like that and then people get together, eg… Read more »

K-Gem
K-Gem

Mystic: I think you’ve posted the photo on this site of Prince Charles and Prince the Artist at some Event – the mutual loathing is visceral.

jicky
jicky

I wonder if it is an instant rivalry?

FelineFoe
FelineFoe

I wonder about that too.

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

Yes – does it always happen between people of same gender?

PureLibra
PureLibra

Every Aries male I have ever met has hated me and tried to start a ‘war’ with me. Very strange. My Taurus ex-boss got very threatened by me when I asked for more training. He falsified complaints against me and unfairly dismissed me. I did past life regression and found that I was married to him in another life where he was abusive to me. He was a traitor in a time of war and I informed the village and they had his head chopped off!! Apparently I am paying back some karma of some kind by getting betrayed by… Read more »

electric eel libran
electric eel libran

I’ve got no love or luck for male Aries either! lol! i get so tired to hear that I’m sooo compatible! not! unless they mean sparring buddy! Buddy i will bury u!

Serenity
Serenity

That’s so funny. Sorry if probably was not. It sounds like part of an already drawn out divine blue print. It’s worse when you fall in love and find out that he’s a complete jerk.

FelineFoe
FelineFoe

This happened to me just a few weeks ago and I’m still recovering. I didn’t know I could be so hateful … or hated! Sorry to say but I can think of at least five other times this has happened in my life: and with people with whom I would have LIKED to have been friends! Ah, the mysteries …

eeky
eeky

how is this different from ‘anti chemistry’?

I have known a guy for 3 years now who adores me. My mom adores him. He is perfect, kind, smart, caring, wealthy and one of the most compassionate ppl I have ever met.

And yet after being around him for 30 minutes I feel like I want to get out of there. Part of it is probably I am sensing his attraction to me, and there is no attraction on my end, hence the reaction. But it’s very strong, this anti-chemistry. It’s very inconvenient, haha.

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