Asteroid Pocohontas!

Sioux Maiden art

The native American woman Pocohontas has had her life story messed with and appropriated almost as much as – say – Cleopatra. Voila the Wiki:

Pocahontas was the daughter of Powhatan, the chief of a network of tributary tribal nations in the Tidewater region of Virginia.  In a well-known historical anecdote, she is said to have saved the life of an Indian captive, Englishman John Smith, in 1607 by placing her head upon his own when her father raised his war club to execute him.

 

Pocahontas was captured by the English during Anglo-Indian hostilities in 1613, and held for ransom. During her captivity, she converted to Christianity and took the name Rebecca. When the opportunity arose for her to return to her people, she chose to remain with the English. In April 1614, she married tobacco planter John Rolfe, and in January 1615, bore him a son, Thomas Rolfe. Pocahontas’s marriage to Rolfe was the first recorded interracial marriage in American history.

 

In 1616, the Rolfes traveled to London. Pocahontas was presented to English society as an example of the civilized “savage” in hopes of stimulating investment in the Jamestown settlement. She became something of a celebrity, was elegantly fêted, and attended a masque at Whitehall Palace. In 1617, the Rolfes set sail for home, but Pocahontas died at Gravesend of unknown causes. She was buried in a church in Gravesend, but the exact location of her grave is unknown.

 

So sad. I mean, it seems like so little is know of how she actually felt and thought re all this. There is a Disney adaptation, there is a case of bickering historians and am i hormonal or was there not a really dodgy film with Mel Gibson as her love interest? 

BUT Note two vital things here. We don’t know her date of birth but we DO know that Pocohontas has Percival Lowell as one of her descendants – THE DISCOVER OF PLUTO.   I found this poignant. In fact, because i am clearly bats and this is the kind of schizz i do, i did his chart AND Percy Lowell had Pluto Rising + the asteroid Pocohontas is conjunct his Moon-Midheaven. It’s interesting, as i once read a feminist analysis of Pocohontas (can’t remember who, sorry) and it ran as a story of abduction and half lives, super-Plutonic.

AND she is also an asteroid – number 4487 – currently conjunct the SUN in VIRGO. And trine, you know, Pluto.  As with all the funky asteroids, you can throw Pocohontas into your chart via Astrodienst and see where she influences YOU. She is conjunct my IC in Taurus. The cusp of my home sector. The base of my life. I need to do some thinking on this.

Obviously, i would love to say that the placement of Asteroid Pocohontas in your chart is where you paddle your own canoe a la the beautiful picture. BUT i don’t think our lady ever got to do that. I mean, honestly w.t.f, WHY would the grave of such a feted creature be non-official?

Remember, the asteroids have very loose interpretations – we are kind of gathering our data here and having fun with the topic. See the Asteroids Category for previous asteroid bingles.

THOUGHTS?

* To look up an asteroid in Astrodienst, just go for Extended Chart Options and enter the number of the asteroid to make it show up in your chart.

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catfish moon
catfish moon

CONJUNCT my PLUTO!!!
in my 2nd house in libra.

hmmmm.

sweetpea
sweetpea

Love “paddle your own canoe” Mystic as in be original, use what God gave you to help others. We are living in very fortunate times indeed compared to what others have endured and continue to endure and yet humanity had decided to struggle…

vslr
vslr

Mines is in scorpio 2 house. Any help on what that could mean? She’s a fascinating character and i had only recently learnt that she was real and not just a made up disney princess. Good timing.

Lux Interior is My Co-Pilot
Lux Interior is My Co-Pilot

I’d say she indicates areas in your life that NO-ONE ELSE understands. Like a hidden history. Could also represent where you break with tradition–perhaps even with great danger to yourself?

Anon2
Anon2

anon: “is it possible to be aware of all the places you’re in at once, or does that just happen sporadically? Or are you ‘across’ it all anw aware of each separate thing simultaneously?”. It is not possible from the vantage point of this dimensional reality to be completely aware of all things simultaneously. We are creating duality and linear time here and can only visit the fullness of a state of Oneness. While we can comprehend the complexity of it all, it is not a worthwhile pursuit to be aware of all things simultaneously in my view. You can… Read more »

anon
anon

thanks for taking the time to answer this. so if a person was able to come and go to other places on the timeline – see themselves in them while also being aware that they are elsewhere as well, it’s not possible to see more than one other place in the chronology at a time – no smorgasbord? It would not be constructive?

Andromeda
Andromeda

It may be instructive depending on your goal. You would need a clear intent of purpose to cut through that much information. To build your attention span to handle that much unclouded intent is a big effort. Do you have a good reason to view these scenarios? This kind of venture is consuming and your energy body must be very clear on your goal – no fear, undivided mental ability, ethical outlook – all of these qualities must be second nature. Decisions must be acted on in less than a split second – your energy body decides. As in a… Read more »

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

Why do so many of us have Pocahontas in Virgo??

anon
anon

probably has something to do with how long it takes the asteroid to complete its orbit through all twelve signs. I suspect it’s a very long time, and so happened to have been / be in Virgo during most of our lifetimes? Or maybe it has an erratic orbit . . I don’t know, haven’t looked it up, but figure it’s a reason related to its orbit, not some woo-woo reason that everyone who has the asteroid in Virgo happened to read the blog all on the same day

anon
anon

mine’s in Libra a whisker away from scorpio – i suspect you’re right about the orbit

calypso
calypso

I don’t think so….mine’s in Leo and my friend 1.5 yrs later in Aqua and 2 yrs younger in Taurus. Must be the blog 😉

M
M

It’s 1degree in Virgo in my 7th house. Can someone please enlighten me to what that might mean? Thanks I would be most appreciative.

Sharon Marshall
Sharon Marshall

Unbelievable! Was very aware of ‘feeling trapped’ by circumstance over past few weeks, and noticed yesterday Sabian symbol was at 16 Virgo (the orang utan, powerful urges and energies that need to break free), which is exactly where my Uranus and Pluto are in my 12th house!!! Had what felt like a minor heart attack during the night; or like some aspect of my consciousness was struggling to be liberated, but was too afraid to got to sleep lest I didn’t wake up. Very Plutonian indeed, as has been for a while! And where is Pocahantas? At 16 Virgo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

pegasus
pegasus

Well well well, my love of Indian culture explained by Pocahontas being in 10th house close to Moon = Indian Dreaming. Voila that so figures.
Always surprises by Astrology and to me astrology IS Mystic.

pegasus
pegasus

Have always had an interest in American Indians and of course have read all of Lynn Andrews books (Sweetpea also a fan of hers i believe).
They are my go to in animal medicine for their respect of nature & Great Spirit.
Curious as to their diet & longevity BEFORE they were gunned down.
Love the expression ‘does it grow corn’ meaning is it workable.
My Pocohontas is in my heart.

sweetpea
sweetpea

Christian Bale played her husband in the movie with Colin Farrell after she thought Colin was dead see…. 🙂 …..Chick didn’t have it too bad off lol

pegasus
pegasus

I want to have sex with Colin Farrells eyebrows 🙂

sweeptea
sweeptea

Haha…Can you believe Pocahontas was again on HBO just yesterday afternoon.

sweetpea
sweetpea

Have Pocahontas at 2 Libra, 4th, opposite Iran and Arachne 1 degree Aries, 10th.

Pocha gotta spin (Arachne, Spider wisdom/ medicine) the middle east…

sweetpea
sweetpea

That was Colin Farrell in the movie Mystic. Saw it on HBO here in the states some months ago. I thought it was pretty good.

Funny is just day before yesterday told Kataka co-worker (yes she has the boobs 😯 😆 ) long black hair, gorge blue eyes whom had her hair in a braid that she looked like Pochohontas.

~BUT~… my latest fave song is “Closer” by twin Virgo sisters Sept 19, 1980.

sweetpea
sweetpea

Tegan and Sara

calypso
calypso

I love them 🙂

sweetpea
sweetpea

Yes, I know when I love a song IMMEDIATELY…..I only heard a blurb of this song on the radio and I scouted it out to no avail tho as they don’t announce artists so much on the radio…

But I found them and I too love them! 🙂

“I won’t treat you like you’re typical”…

calypso
calypso

I hadn’t heard this Sweetpea, but I just dug out the album I bought in 2008 or so, The Con. I listened to it a lot in the car at the time and I remember being struck by the lyric: “I’m not unfaithful but I’ll stray”. my marriage had fallen apart at the time, lol.

Mercurial sisters!

sweeptea
sweeptea

~The Con~..can see how that could tie into what you were going thru considering the lyrics.

But hey, hadn’t heard of Tegan and Sara before…cool…

Like you say, Mercurial/Virgo sisters and the lyrics “I’m the type that won’t get oh so critical”

lol

sweetpea
sweetpea

And Lana Del Rey.. Summertime Sadness…OMG, love

Lana is a Gemini at 59’52 degrees…

Maybe she procrastinated 🙂

Spoze I should look up the asteroid…

pegasus
pegasus

How is your man-harem going Sweetie?
Love that you are getting some action even if it is not
perfect, hope it’s for your emotional wellbeing and perhaps practise for someone more suitable. They will probably be better for knowing YOU, even if they cause some you some angst along the way. x

sweetpea
sweetpea

Thanks Pegs, altho alas the harem has fizzled out. Not that I was terribly ensconsed in the ramifications (ramifications being a dimension unto themselves as in “probabilities” 🙂 ) But nope, not interested in a drunk or a pot head. Want consciounsess pure and simple. “All I want to get is ~a little bit closer~ Thank you for your kind words always Pegs xx “It’s just not physcial”… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_dHbT3qZ_0 Scorpbot, if you read this, sorry I did not gety back to you. I forget where posts are… But, with his Mars in Kataka and being a Kataka, maybe he has… Read more »

sweetpea
sweetpea

Lana 29 degrees 52 minutes Gemini I meant…

GFT Pisces
GFT Pisces

Conjunct Jupiter in Aqua in my 6th house, part of my Grand Cross (Jupiter and Pocahontas opposite my Part of Fortune, Pluto opposite my Midheaven.) Interps re leaving home resonate with me, and each move has been increasingly difficult in some ways as I’ve gone farther. Not sure what to make of 6th house placement, though. Jupiter makes sense, as ive always had a strong immune system and rarely get sick (except for ear, nose and throat things as a kid, Jupiter square MC in Taurus, and uti, with Jupiter square Pluto/Vesta/IC in Scorp.)

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

This is off topic, but frequent readers/commenters may remember when Virgo Ellie mentioned a big spider joining her in the shower? Around that same time, I noticed a strange spider at home. I took a picture of it, but deleted it because it was so small and plain, flat brown, it just wasn’t a good picture. I didn’t comment about the spider at the time. I never kill spiders. Perhaps I should have killed this one. I suspect it is a brown recluse and it bit me. I know VE and I share similar astro. She’s Virgo, Libra rising. I’m… Read more »

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

Yeah, I remember VE’s shower buddy! It seemed pervy & spooky, but I’m sure she (the spider) was just looking for a drink, & to deliver a message. Spider is feminine mystique, ancient wisdom, Scorp energy; i count them among my familiars. The brown recluse is extremely shy & yes, highly venomous: if you’ve been bit, you are certainly having a reaction & should get medical attention pronto!

Practical matters aside, what’s happening in the Scorp area of your chart?

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

(If you were bit some days ago, though, & aren’t suffering any ill effects, & the spider was small & brown, then probably that was a male wolf spider: wolf spiders are very common in your area, & their bite is not so dangerous. Might leave a welt, but no paralysis or severe sickness.)

12th house Virgo
12th house Virgo

Cool! I will look it up. So far it’s just itchy and swollen and gets worse if I skip antihistamines.

12th house Virgo
12th house Virgo

There is no anti-venom for their bite so medical treatment is iffy and vague. If the bite goes gooey, I’ll go to ER. For now, taking antihistamines. Scorpio area is my 2/3rd house. Vesta is there In my natal chart. Saturn transiting, same as everyone. It caught my eye because it was behaving strangely. Most aggressive spider I’ve seen. Dangled from a thread, but never spun a web. I read they make messy webs and use them for sleeping. They eat dead bugs and survive for years with no food. Kind of resonated with my working to move on some… Read more »

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

Oh! Yeah, that sounds like a wolf spider, from the in-your-face behavior to your reaction to the bite– which is good news for you! Haha

Wolfies are hunters, & it sounds like he was trying hard to get your attention, 12HV. They are very patient & like you said, can go *forever* without sustenance while waiting for something worthwhile– very Scorp. So you have been waiting for a long time re 2nd/3rd house matters, & while Saturn isn’t making the wait easy, if you fight it it’ll come back around to bite you. Maybe?

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Perhaps. Still…the spider I saw wasn’t hairy. Hmm…I really need to learn how to identify spiders in my area! It def tried hard to get my attention. It dropped itself right in front on the TV when I was home, alone watching it. I always thought spiders were all about the web of destiny or fate or whatever. So its interesting to learn about spiders who don’t really use their webs to ensnare prey.

pegasus
pegasus

Again 12 twelve i’m on about the animal cards, you would love them.
called Medicine Cards: Discovery of Power through the Way of Animals.
by Jamie Sands & David Carson.
Illustrated by Angela C Werneke. Bear & Company,
Santa Fe, New Mexico.

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

— and speaking of familiars & Scorpiness, a snake has come to me today! Last week I had a preying mantis peeping at me through my kitchen window (got a great pic of that!), & today it’s a snake in the house. So awesome!

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

I had a toad visit me the other day. It sat on a stone and let me take flash photos of it in the dark, lol. Pretty toad. That and spiders. Lots of rabbits. My daughter and I biked to where I am looking to buy the next house. The woods were filled with black squirrels. She noticed it. Its funny, usually there’s just one black squirrel in a larger group – they’re rarer. But in the woods we passed through they were all black. I love nature. The other day I got a photo of a cicada. Its back… Read more »

pegasus
pegasus

Nature Lover, what a treat.
And to live 18 years UNDERGROUND, so 12th House!
The ONE frog i saw a few months ago has mated now i have a symphony of a nightime, a wish come true as the sounds thrill me to pretend i live in the tropics where my spirit lies.
They also tell me rain is on the way and that my back garden is ecologically sound as well.
Have put bowls of water with stones in all around for them, so when i go outside with a torch can see them having a dip in their designer pools.

pegasus
pegasus

Love snakes too, symbolise Transmutation, so that would respond to the new you post op?
Here: ‘snake..come crawling,
there’s fire in your eyes,
bite me, excite me,
i’ll learn to realise
the poison transmuted
brings eternal flame
open me to heaven
to heal me again.’
Animal Medicine.

pegasus
pegasus

That’s to Scorp Inc. apt ain’t it 🙂

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

Nice, Pegs 😀 I love those Med Cards! Great art & descriptions, & I find the Contrary position info really useful, too. I read roadkill as animal med in the contrary; eg, last Spring a big doe was hit & killed in front of my house, & I read that as contrary deer. They really are our guides & helpers, animals.

anon
anon

i hope you’re OK virgo lady. Strange synchronicity. I dreamed about a huge spider the night before I read VE’s spider post. I felt a bit ill reading about the one in her shower. The one in my dream was fuqing enormous and made noises like the insects in naked lunch. I have recently tried to be less uptight about spiders after being bitten by one a few years ago. It was horrendous. I had to go to hospital. It started small and spiralled out of control. Please keep an eye on yours. The bite I mean. If you swell… Read more »

pegasus
pegasus

Unusual coz they are scared of us bigtime, so you must have startled it.
What are you weaving into your life ask yourself, and to make a record of your life as they symbolise the alphabet in the web.
The 2 lobes of the body represent the figure 8 the symbol of creation.
‘Spider..weaving webs of delight,
weave me a peaceful world,
carrying creation in your web,
waiting to be unfurled.’
From Animal Medicine.

anon
anon

funny cos they’re not scared of me at all. they hang above my side of the bed or sit on my side of the bed head, sit on my chair and always find their way to my side of the work room i share with one other person to make their homes. When I was small my dad had to eradicate a huge one from my pillow before bedtime. They nestle in the mirror on the side of the car I sit on. Right in front of me they crawl out while we’re driving. it’s mental. like I am stalked.… Read more »

calypso
calypso

startLed, she said

anon
anon

ahhh I wondered what that was about – it seemed a bit off kilter in relation to the rest of the words – small screen doesn’t help. thanks for the clarification

anon
anon

i just noticed – there’s a nice balance thing happening with the sea horse clarfiying for the air-borne horse

calypso
calypso

haha, nice observation! I read “started” as well but I didn’t think it sounded like something Pegs would say, so thats why I noticed 🙂

anon
anon

hey that alphabet + weaving thing has triggered an idea pegs – thanks for the share.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

I see spiders all the time. There is one that wove a web between my bike handle and the house. Its a large distance between the two and I cannot picture how she pulled off that anchor.

The bite is healing nicely. Perhaps a wolf spider or something else entirely after all. But I did see a brown recluse dangling in front of my TV.

I will have to try the animal cards. I look for animals in life and research each one as it comes to me. Lots of bugs and birds around me now.

pegasus
pegasus

Ho, reading from the bottom upwards, sorry i’m selling the to China AGAIN.
You know it all, we are on the same page 🙂

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

Haha! You have a great sense of humor, Pegasus, & I love it! It’s awesome to ride this wave with you 🙂 xx

clear and present
clear and present

You know, you could dowse her birthdate. I’ve done this with my exact birth minutes as the time but minutes weren’t remembered But you have to be of very clear mind and ask for higher divine guidance. This is how I found out my parents rising sign and boy did it make sense as to what I was working out in my karma in relationships.

flowerchild
flowerchild

I have Pocahantas at 3 Libra conjunct Pallas/Athena at 2 Libra and conjunct Uranus at 28 Virgo, all in the 4th house…………echoing 4th house is Crab rising…………………………..no idea what to make of this. …….Ideas..?

I’m Aqua Sun, 11 degrees, and fiercely independent, though very sensitive and insecure……..horrible personality, really, impossible to get along with…if I’m being truthful..

flowerchild
flowerchild

Ok, reading further up……about ancestral home, so Poc. in my 4th, ‘home’ house…….I actually am American Indian, Iroquois, Onandaga, so maybe makes sense in the 4th house……I don’t know, man, this is getting kinda meta…. “Home, it’s where I want to be, pick me up and turn me round…” “When I think of home, I think of a place, where there’s love overflowing…….I wish I were home, I wish I were back there….” Points for those who know the songs… I feel sick when I read the history of our nation (USA) I have indigenous blood and it’s difficult to… Read more »

anon
anon

HAHAHA I was reading your astro feeling quite at home with your vibe and when I hit this “impossible to get along with…if I’m being truthful..” I thought ‘I’d live with you in a heartbeat.’

flowerchild
flowerchild

Ha ha! Thanks! ……I think..? 😉

emg
emg

And I’ve rescued more men than I have had hot dinners!

emg
emg

Hilarious, she is bang slap centre of my huge 7th house at 18 libra for me. I have been up the creek without a paddle in my 7th all my life!

Andromeda
Andromeda

Sun conjunct Pocohontas – Leo, 2nd House. Square Pluto!

Maybe she was a Gemini?
From what I understand of her history she enjoyed something about joining the invader – some might call her a turncoat… or at least mercurial.

Her ‘between the worlds’ position and the fact she left a more natural world for a more constructed one, screams Mercury to me too.
(A heavily Virgo influenced friend has a horror of going places “..where the concrete runs out’).

serenity
serenity

conjunct my lillith in leo in the 7th house, that makes a whole lot of sense.

serenity
serenity

Conjunct my uranus in leo. Paddling in the canoe all by glam self, because if my partners don’t meet my standards, it’s true. I will gladly paddle alone, upstream,downstream, as long as I’m alone and having a great time. I’m not really alone of course. I won’t settle. Thank you Pocahontas and Lillith, Uranus and 7th house. The older I get, the more I appreciate that I didn’t settle.

hdq
hdq

mine at 8 virgo, exactly conjunct psyche and sextiling uranus, trine eros, venus, blah blah. 4th house. which means i just had a pocohontas return so i calculated exact dates and voila! y’all up there have described it perfectly! leaving the ancestral home, 3 days on the train watching the country go by, finally getting home (which, to my far-off family might as well be england, and like ms. p the only peep i have in this still foreign world is an ex-husband, yeah.)…. and it’s fucked. it’s on fire. all that anticipation turns to disillusionment. i imagine that if… Read more »

Aquariarse
Aquariarse

Twelfth house pisces, opposing my moon in virgo. As a child all I wanted to be was an American Indian, which is odd because a) I’m Australian and b) I’m of that indeterminate looking caramel combo that screams melting-pot and usually prefers to dream of being blonde and blue-eyed. Apart from that, and my ex having a Pocohontas replica that he drew glasses on to make look more like me, AND the fact that I’m frequently a ‘type’ that whiter people like to…date.. I can’t think of anything. When I think of her though I think of an adventuress who… Read more »

scorpiorising
scorpiorising

Pocahontas asteroid is Virgo in my 11th House along side my South Node/Past Life.
Pocahontas is my distant ancestor.
Small weird world. 🙂
I wore my hair in two braids as a child and that was my nickname.

Charles
Charles

Poc at 3 Gem, totally unaspected. Meh. I have generally avoided asteroids, TNOs, Centaurs, etc. since I always thought we should have tried to figure out how to interpret the moons of other planets first. Moons like Diemos and Phobos have been known for hundreds of years. I have been poking around with this idea and surprisingly, I got a suggestion from astrologer Boots Hart. She said you could calculate the moons’ nodes, and all the outer planets have multiple moons so they have aspects with each other. Not long after she told me this, NASA released photos of a… Read more »

Charles
Charles

OMG I DID IT!!

Pi
Pi

well go on then, show us!

Pi
Pi

you could become the first astrologer on Mars.

Charles
Charles

I found a way to calculate a planet-centric ephemeris from any planet, including lunar positions. I don’t know how to calculate lunar nodes so I am researching. I am currently double-checking my data conversion from Equatorial coordinates to Ecliptical. Phobos has a very fast orbit, 8 hours, so it moves about 0.75 degrees per minute. Deimos has an orbital period of about 8 hours, so it moves about .2 degrees per minute. So it is not going to be much use to do mundane Martian lunar astrology, the moons move too fast and you’d get new aspects every few minutes.… Read more »

anon
anon

❗ especially not if you apply the edgar cayce theory going on up above – he claimed we were all once just thought forms. you may be anchoring/manifesting some kind of cosmic frankenstein rooted in the greek pantheon. Let us know how that goes 😛

hdq
hdq

dude! badASS!!

Charles
Charles

I am looking at more calculations, and I am beginning to see why nobody has ever bothered with calculating charts of other planet’s moons. It is an intriguing idea, but probably a futile idea. Perhaps even a stupid idea. I moved on to examine the moons of Jupiter. There are 67 known moons, but most are little more than chunks of rock. I decided to examine the four classic Gallilean Moons: Europa, Io, Ganymede and Callisto. Io and Europa move very fast, with orbits of 42 hours and 84 hours. Ganymede moves a little slower, but mythologically it seems to… Read more »

anon
anon

I think you should start a blog on just this subject alone.

Leap
Leap

Hi mystic and all – a beautiful film based on her and her life is “The New World” directed by Terence Malick. Especially focuses on her emotional and spiritual life and beliefs adapting/not adapting to European ways. Which is quite a journey considering the events in her life. She was a really remarkable woman, and a great explorer – internally and externally. Should be on DVD, download. Have a look, you’ll love it.

Dido
Dido

Thanks for mentioning this film Leap. I second the recommendation Mystic. It’s classic Malick with insistant, poetic voice overs, swirling structure, exquisite detailing etc and people either loved or hated it. I found it an extraordinary film – sublimely sensual and intensely emotional. Its conjuring of wonder, joy, desire and grief is at times almost overwhelming. I happened to watch it for the first time on what’s become a rather routine flight from Australia to England, and it left me with a profound sense of the real distance of that journey.

Sassy
Sassy

Omg, mine is 1 degree Libra. And my ex husband sun is 1 degree Libra. His nationality is Colombian.!!! Asteroids are weird.

S
S

15 Virgo in the 7th house.
Never seen the Disney story of her. I do remember seeing a John Wayne movie with Pocahontas.

earthy kathleen
earthy kathleen

I feel like Pocahontas had some serious guts and was probably really badass but in the end she was just used by the English like a puppet. :/

The asteroid is almost on top of my north node in Aries, 9th house. Okay, I’m a bit hazy on nodes. Something about destiny? My destiny is to be like Pocahontas??

bluesky
bluesky

Okay, if you say your destiny is to be like Pocahantas, I feel I should bring up other ways to think of “being used like a puppet” Another way to look at that is that Pocahantas knew what she was doing. Some English nobility or even Americans around her and indeed her husband might have had an agenda, but perhaps she had her own agenda in the meantime. Who knows who got the best deal in the end? Perhaps her life became much less difficult and she used their fascination to further her own goals. Just don’t want you setting… Read more »

earthy kathleen
earthy kathleen

haha, thank you. I did not like the being used part of my hypothetical destiny so much. I have felt used in the past and want to avoid it in the future.

You’re right. Perhaps Pocahontas did know what she was doing the whole time, and had a happy and fulfilling life. We’ll never really know. At any rate she was certainly different and has a place in history because of that. So I can just channel being unique and gutsy. 🙂

bluesky
bluesky

That’s what I would wish for you. Much better!

cosmic fleece
cosmic fleece

I wonder Mystic, you left your native home in your 20’s ? without sounding morbid, is it possible that you will live out your life here in your non ancestral home ? Could this possibly be your Pocahontas placement ?

anon
anon

taking that and running with it, when does a place become the ‘ancestral’ home? If your ancestors were colonial settlers, when is the tipping point? Is it an arbitrary number of generations? Or something a bit more ephemeral? Is it where you ‘feel’ at home? And are there different homes for different times in your life?

cosmic fleece
cosmic fleece

Personally, I would say my Ancestral home is the British Isles. Family have been settled here (In Oz) since 1826,however when travelling round England, Island and Scotland had a strong connection – out of the cities, that this is where my people are from.

I see Australia as being the Ancestral home for Indigenous people (50,000 years + compared to 220 odd years of white settlement).
Rightly or Wrongly, just ”feels right” to me. (Pisces rising – always goes by what feels right).

anon
anon

😀 I’m not about right or wrong although I have a saturn mercury aspect that makes it sound like I am. I’m more about expanding inner boundaries and outer curiosity. I do agree with you about the indigenous people – of everywhere – your feeling at home where your ancestors are from is the same thing – they are the indigenous people of there. One of my teachers once said that she found people who were displaced and had had no contact with their ancestral lands or heritage (one in particular was adopted as a refugee baby by people of… Read more »

Andromeda
Andromeda

That’s fascinating anon!
I feel like my ancestral home is off planet though! 😀
Mother Earth is all mine and none of it is mine iykwim.

cosmic fleece
cosmic fleece

Wow Anon,
I know of this happening to an artist i’m fond of. She found out her ancestry well into her career. When i found out it seemed so obvious ! (her Aboriginal history was hidden as Parents/Grandparents still frightened their children could be taken). I had never equated it to all. I feel like a penny has dropped. Your teachers insight/your story appreciated!

anon
anon

nice x

vj
vj

I have a Pisces rising, and I agree totally with you about this. I don’t ‘feel’ my ancestors here, though I’m deeply attached to the land in this country.

Allyleoaqua
Allyleoaqua

Maybe she escaped.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

I like that idea very much.

aquarine
aquarine

I am certain this is the real truth. Homegirl is too cunning for that.

julie k
julie k

Clearly Huxley took some inspiration here for John the Savage.. of course, he took the ending another way.

I really need to reread that book!

sal29
sal29

At 7 deg Libra (1st house), retrograde (hmm), squaring Jupiter in Capricorn (4th house). I had a strong instinct to leave home as a kid, and am not eager to return to it as an adult, either. I’m big into the “home is where you make it” philosophy.

I don’t really get Libra, but the 1st-house placement makes weird sense. What is it that makes you who you are: the place you came from, or the places you decide to go?

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

Pocahantas is exactly conjunct my Pluto. I’ve always seen her as a Saggo type, willing to deal and meet with other exotic cultures but also as a pragmatist. Sure she was being all feted or whatever in English society but if she had remained with her tribe, would she be better off in her own opinion? She got to see what other women of that time never got to see. She traded one shit sandwich for another different kind of shit sandwich the way I see it and did the best she could. While it is suspicious that she got… Read more »

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

Traded one shit sandwich for another: haha yep, maybe so!

Your interp of her life as Sagg resonates, EEL. I was feeling Sagg or maybe Aqua.

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

Yeah aqua also resonates with me too. She seemed humanitarian in that vague way as well.

Fatalia67
Fatalia67

I did feel aqua with some gemini moon, fun to interpret it.

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

yeah..could be gemini aspects longing for communication with different culture.

bluesky
bluesky

Agree with electric eel re: the POV Pocahantas may have had (we will never know…). She may have chosen well. However, after looking at my chart I would say: Pocahantas could mean willingness to try the new and untraditional, fateful encounters, pragmatic acceptance, difficult choices, strong values that may go against the grain, a fascination with beautiful art and “things”, a person who may end up with a somewhat divided world in one or more areas of the chart, unusual celebrity related to exoticism or uniqueness (meaning celebrity can be both good and not so good plus unexpected and cyclical),… Read more »

aquarine
aquarine

Really love this interpretation. Beautiful, thank you. My Pocahontas is in Leo, bang on my Desc., 7th House, square my Pluto, sextile my Ascendant in Aquarius. All of this resonates deeply with me. All of my relationships have resonated with these theme. I was once terribly in love with a mega-nuts Aries who was absolutely to die for in the sack .. the kind where when you pass out you have the same dreams – and all of our dreams were about us living in an indigenous community. It was very strange. We could never have a cohesive conversation outside… Read more »

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

Great interp, bluesky! I’m going to chew on that for awhile, and come back for seconds.

anon
anon

your interp is poignant with regard to my placement – exactly conjunct venus, mercury and pallas athene. I’m studying post-colonialism at the moment and the divided world and exoticism concepts that you mention ring true. As does the ‘stories buzzing’ Right now it’s transiting natal jupiter in the third. I am a veritable hive.

bluesky
bluesky

Anon, this is when I wish there was a “like” button. Your particular circumstance is so interesting given the Pocahantas theme. Wow!

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

Pocahontas @ 28d Virgo/7th house (& it’s aspecting my Mercury-Uranus @ 29d Libra/8th house). My 7th is also home to my Pluto-Moon conjunction. Relationships. Totally.

It’s hard for me to fathom that Pocahontas freely chose to not return to her people; although, that conditions existed at home that she would have liked to escape is not out of the realm of possibility. In some ways, it reminds me of Persephone’s story… I have Persephone in the 7th, too, conjunct my DC.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

She’s in the 29th degree of Leo, just on the other side of where my 12th house starts, which is 29 54 Leo. The Sabian Symbol for the 30th degree is “An Unsealed Letter.” To quote from Blain Bovee “Open but covered…Leo 30 presents a very special sense of availability.It addresses things that are perhaps not immediately perceptible, yet available.” I do have a busy 12th house. I had a past life reading done once (I don’t recommend the purchase, fwiw). I asked for which life was relevant to my life now and my attitude/situation at the time. She said… Read more »

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

I do see her as a character separate from myself. Same as any person I may meet. Everything, everyone is connected.

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

Aww: I named my son after weather phenomenon, & a poet.

Such a story of loss & perseverance! It’s interesting, yeah? Why would you not recommend the past life reading thing? You think the reader made it up?

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

Ah, just saw your comment. So you found it a waste of money/time, like, “Well duh: of course that’s in my past– it’s in everyone’s past”?

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

I thought knowing a past life would give me some direction/clarity/meaning/peace and it didn’t. I found myself concerned about the problems/feelings of this other character that I was unable to assist. The only way to help was to deal with my own feelings of anger and alienation. I didn’t need a past life reading to be able to do that or know that’s what I needed to do.

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

Sure.

fatalia67
fatalia67

virgo 12th house. i did get a lot out pf my past life reading based on Edgar Cayce. I did find out that I am Atlantean and that sounded so true. I love crystals. I always had a dream about me and my twinbrother – very tall and blond with blue eyes, ha – he still is looking it, my son. I saw the dream before I had him and I knew that he was from this life afte I gave birth to him. Maybe we were like 10′. We had a pendant that shines around the neck and we… Read more »

12thhouse virgo
12thhouse virgo

That’s a nice story – interesting – but how does it help you live your life now?

I’ve seen lots of my past lives. And they are fascinating, but none of them make up for the life I am living now. I’m kind of bitter, i suppose, because I thought knowing such things would change the game somehow, but it doesn’t. Same game for everyone, all the time, lol

Fatalia67
Fatalia67

It changed my life because i realised why my son is here and how come we two have most often telepathic connections. I remeber also other more disturbing lives 🙁 but somehow it makes sense. Knowing being an old soul. Being around. Coming around. The time is ripe. For getting out of samsara.

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

So it’s given you insights into the here & now, Fatalia67. That’s cool. I’m a big believer in cell memory across lives & within lives, & have found bringing my own past life stuff to consciousness to be very enlightning & relevant to what I experience now, even on a molecular level.

fatalia67
fatalia67

Me too 🙂 i love the uncosciousopening up at certain situations. Ask and You are given is my experience…

anon
anon

have any of you ever wondered if the memories are those of your ancestors stored in dna? I’m interested in how the things you’ve seen get to be seated in someone else’s past but also in your now. I’m fascinated by cell memory and always wonder how people rationalise it to reconcile the past/future thing.

hdq
hdq

isn’t there a theory that says we reincarnate from the ancestral line? when you think of how many lives we’ve lived, really…

anon
anon

this is one of the things that interests me. If we reincarnate from the ancestral ine then surely it’s possible for another living relative to access the same ‘imprint’ or whatever you want to call it – if it’s ancestral then surely we are all of the people who have come before us ? I don’t think we’re anchored in the ancestors though. But the DNA is a memory bank.

anon
anon

and if it’s ancestral what of the population explosion in the modern era? Especially when the point is what was referred to above as samsara. Surely since the beginning of time some ahve left the wheel.

anon
anon

am also interested to know if any of you have experienced an offer to swap bodies in this lifetime?

Temporarily or permanently?

And whether the ‘lives’ you’ve seen have all been ‘on planet’?

pegasus
pegasus

‘Walkins’.
According to Drunvalo.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

In Seth speaks, he says its possible for you to have more than one incarnation at a time. Meaning, I could be a white woman in DC *and* a 90 year old Indian dude or whatever at the same time. He talks some about the collective cosciousness of various races too.

Anon2
Anon2

@ anon. More than half my lives were on other planets. I am not walk in but I am not from this planet originally, the fabric of my energy field extends to this planet in other ways that are more cloud-like, like cosmic space dust clouds…hard to explain.

anon
anon

thanks for answering – is it possible to be aware of all the places you’re in at once, or does that just happen sporadically? Or are you ‘across’ it all anw aware of each separate thing simultaneously? I KNEW someone would share if I asked – aprreciated – if you answer maybe go to a wider part of the thread? even if you don’t – THANKS

calypso
calypso

i know that my daughter was my partner in a past life and a particularly significant lover was my son in a past life. They have both come to me in this life to teach me something and knowing what these past life connections were has helped me to understand the lessons.

anon
anon

what does a past life reading based on edgar cayce involve?

Fatalia67
Fatalia67

http://www.edgarcayce.org/ps2/soul_life_past_lives.html
I am early atlantean 🙂 Its intetesting. My friends are mostly inkas/mayans.

S
S

I have had memories of previous lives. I was about 10yrs old and polishing spoons seated at a coffee table and I could remember doing the same thing in a earlier life. The life I remembered was similar to a Bronte novel. Full shirts and in a huge house with wooden floors and handcrafted furniture. It was very cold. Another life I die at sea. I drown myself as my husband and children have been killed. I remember that life because I was sent an email and the artwork of a cliff reminded me of that grief I’d felt. I… Read more »

anon
anon

thanks for the link fatalia – i was more wondering how the person did the reading? What their background was? What their process was?

Fatalia67
Fatalia67
anon
anon

wow that’s unexpected – thanks. Lateral.

anon
anon

do you have any thoughts on the fact that the readings could get a bit generic if they’re all based on things that Cayce said in his lifetime and have been extrapolated by other? That’s more a conceptual question than a judgement of any kind.

Nightrose
Nightrose

I’ve had a past life reading which I found very helpful to me. It helped me see where my current personality had built up expectations of myself and others – beyond justification – and to just *accept* who I am, who others are, and where I am at now. To be able to see friends and enemies alike as human, imperfect, and just being. To marvel at the workings at the Universe, and how I am living the other side of the coin, yet am still on the same coin. That how we are truly connected, and that hurting each… Read more »

MoonLilith
MoonLilith

Exactly conjunct sun in cap, third house. sextiling Venus-NorthNode conjunction and squaring Moon-Pluto conjunction. Also need to think..

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