When Chiron Returns…

Chiron and the Healing Journey

Chiron Return comes around for everyone in 50 year intervals. So you get it at 50, 100, 150 and so forth. I’m assuming that the Singularity is going to kick in, obviously.  So I haven’t had Chiron Return yet but am thinking it’s kind of like Saturn Return but more spiritualized, maverick and magic.

What to do?  You could go on retreat and read Chiron and the Healing Journey by Melanie Reinhart, if you’re at this stage. It’s apparently excellent.

OR make like Aries Of Fashion Anna Dello Russo and spend your Chiron Return at the 2013 Cannes Film Festival strutting around in gold Tom Ford gladiator “fuq u” boots.

Chiron is currently in Pisces, after all and Pisces does “rule” the feet.

Anna Dello Russo Cannes Tom Ford

Both options? Why not…There is no contradiction between spirituality and fabulous. Any issues with the feet this year have an insanely psychosomatic component. And regardless of your current chronological age, think about this: once upon a time Chiron Return probably DID signal a quiet slide into obscurity, hormonal schizz and hell knows what else but these days it is completely different. It’s more like a re-emergence,

Can anyone doing their Chiron Return or who has done it recently (ie: you were born before 1963) shed some more light on this please? We need data. And snaps of you in your ‘fuq u’ gladiator boots at the Yoga Ranch please.

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Ursa Worlds
Ursa Worlds
January 3, 2014 3:37 am

I just found your website while I was searching Chiron return. I am going through my Chiron return and I find it quite liberating. I have Chiron in my 11th house in Pisces. This placement often times finds individuals that are eccentric and do not fit in. I have felt this all my life but now people are starting to realize that many issues I talked about 20 years ago they are finally starting to see. I find Chiron a must to study if you want to find your life’s purpose. Many astrologers overlook Chiron. If I would have known… Read more »

Cygnette
Cygnette
July 14, 2013 3:00 pm

I had a torrid time in my 40s, it was one thing after another, so turning 50 and undergoing chiron return has felt like an anticlimax. Besides, uranus hurtling towards my sun with pluto beginning to square it seem to be the bigger deals in my life right now. For the most part, my pluto, uranus and saturn transits of the last four years have taught me that it’s all about putting one foot in front of the other with an eye on the horizon (thanks to astrology) and the realisation that life right now is all I have. So… Read more »

Resurrected
Resurrected
July 14, 2013 12:47 am

Chiron returning allowed me recovery from the Uranus opposition. Chiron returning allowed/force me to redo all the earlier roles and delivered me as a gift to me. It is the beginning of the stage of life where others opinions truly matter less and you see who you are without the rose colored lenses, and oddly enough appreciate/ forgive yourself more. My Chiron is in Aquarius third house, my youngest brother died on my Chiron return. It brought me full circle in my familial childhood role and gave me the wisdom not to follow it blindly as Chiron entered my 4th… Read more »

beachgirl
beachgirl
July 13, 2013 11:09 pm

Did my Chiron return drinking champagne in Harry’s Bar on the Via Veneto in Rome, with the miserable millionaire But here’s the thing: have felt so much more myself since turning 50 – even though there may of course be troubles, you are make huge gains in perspective and humour and serenity and smarts. Chiron in Cap along with my Sun Venus and Mars.

clear and present
clear and present
July 13, 2013 6:51 pm

I don’t know what’s worse shoes that are too tight or too big. Looks like the chick in the gold gladiators toes are hanging over, love that, lol

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 13, 2013 5:36 pm

i read this and wanted to add to it but its quite difficult for me to describe what the return has been like – i have just had it – it did bring up a lot of issues around love, i have it in the 5th house – and relationships – a lot of sadness and i realized i have a lot of addiction issues without actually being “an addict” ie drugs/alcohol, which do in fact get in the way of me being creative ie tv i read the artists way and the artists way at work around this tme… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 13, 2013 5:58 pm
Reply to  Anonymous

thank you for sharing your experiences. for me the length was just right and there was a flow or rhythm to it that was pleasing to me. I appreciate you taking the time to write it.

milleunanotte
milleunanotte
July 14, 2013 2:12 am
Reply to  Anonymous

I’m Chiron 5th house too. With all my other current transits, like Uranus opp Uranus, Saturn opp Saturn, everything in Kataka opp Mars, and i don’t know what else because i have simply stopped looking, i’m glad it’s not Chiron return for a while! Just worked out the hard years i just went through health wise, and self esteem/anxiety wise (it’s a vicious cycle when you have chronic health issues) were sparked with Chiron on IC. Funny how you talk of wounded love. I see myself as having had a lot of love. Even though it never lasted forever. Though… Read more »

12th house virgo
12th house virgo
July 14, 2013 4:26 am
Reply to  milleunanotte

Me too! I feel like I have a wounded Mercury with Pluto and Uranus hammering it. My Chiron is in 8th house Aries.

I don’t think you are what you think you are. I could say that to anyone. During my Pluto-Venus transit, I was very dedicated to enlightenment. One trick I used was “you do not exist.” Any voice in my head that started with “you” I replied “you do not exist.” Does help clear blocks! But manifesting a creative life…I’m sure it starts with surrender and ends with a hell of a lot of work. x

milleunanotte
milleunanotte
July 14, 2013 7:00 pm

voices that say “you are..” Sure, they need to disappear. I don’t think i am what i used to think i am. Now, i’m just trying to experience myself instead of branding myself. And do you ever wonder if your vision of what a creative life looks like is also a little box you’ve created? This is what i’m beginning to see…i think i need to be happier with the mundane, the quotidian. Life is banging me on the head with too much synchronicity! Messages about this abound in random conversations, work i’m doing for other people, books i’ve been… Read more »

shiraz
shiraz
July 13, 2013 4:08 pm

yeah ok i’m nearing my chiron opp and it’s NOT pleasant. my chi is conj my natal SN and opp my natal NN and saturn. yikes. natal chi in the 12th. i recently went to the hospital (in an ambulance bus no less!!) when the sun was opp my natal merc and ura and sq transiting uranus. yikes. wtf. apparently, i almost died and didn’t even realise it. they let me go less than 12 hrs later and let me walk the more than 2 hrs home… i have NEVER felt more discouraged or disheartened. i was having a hallucination… Read more »

calypso
calypso
July 13, 2013 8:00 pm
Reply to  shiraz

man, that is shit. but sounds like you empowered yourself then Shiraz, and I hope you can find the strength you need to endure this feeling. you’re now older, more independent and capable of making your own story what you want it to be. good luck x

pegasus
pegasus
July 13, 2013 2:53 pm

Anna of the gold gladiators looks silly in pink tutus. The older the woman, the shorter and briefer the dress O NO! No matter how good the pins are.
The ‘rules’ used to be covered elbows after x amount of years so to prove this am always checking out Uma, Goldie, Elle’s elbows.
Think my mother was an affectionado of June Dally Watkin’s rules, like don’t wear green with blue or pink with orange, always have a cab fare home in purse on a date, how antiquated does that sound now.

Scorpbot
Scorpbot
July 13, 2013 3:40 pm
Reply to  pegasus

sounds very antiquated indeed.

Blue and green is my fave colour combo!!!!

Wouldn’t see me dead in those gold gladiators either. Ewww 😯

Domestic Triffid
Domestic Triffid
July 13, 2013 11:31 am

ooh and finally, my progressed Chiron is sitting ON my natal Chiron.

Interesting times after all …..

Domestic Triffid
Domestic Triffid
July 13, 2013 11:28 am

LOL. Just hit an Internet Loop looking for more information about Chiron crossing my descendant….

Got referred back to….. HERE 🙂

http://mysticmedusa.com/2012/12/d-i-y-astro-the-hotel-chiron/

This site has some good info too:

http://www.planetwaves.net/PWM000100.key.html

Diana
Diana
July 13, 2013 11:00 am

Dear Mystic, thanks for your uniquely smart and witty ways with all things life and astro. I was going to post this but didn’t know how to attach the cartoon I made earlier this year, so I email instead. As a post menopausally transformed woman, I suggest that Chiron’s return offers all women a chance to grok a new life, bigtime. It’s a now or never opportunity to BE YOURSELF and ditch the dross that is served up in our culture around this life changing time. Is it hard? Yup, deeply and painfully at times, but not as hard as… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 13, 2013 11:59 am
Reply to  Diana

THANK YOU for a positive take on the aging process and menopause. So many of the women’s mysteries are never discussed openly or are just another thing to complain about or fear.

Diana
Diana
July 13, 2013 1:08 pm
Reply to  Anonymous

Thanks, I wish many more women would claim it rather than complain about it. Same applies to the menstrual cycle ….’the curse’ etc. Hard to believe that in this post feminist age it’s still a taboo, and young girls still feel it’s something to be ashamed of (same as it was for me 40yrs ago!). Breaks my heart to see that the pain associated with it relates to the deep rejection of the feminine within. What’s worse is we learn how to do that from other women. At some stage we need to stop blaming the ‘patriarchy’ and face our… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 13, 2013 1:21 pm
Reply to  Diana

I’ve always found it pretty inconvenient if the truth be known but I found a way to embrace it that works for me – I realised it was the same as blood and bone 😉 I wring out my tampons, add water and use it to fertilise my garden. Lettuce loves it. I never tell people. It freaks them out. It’s me and the salad greens little secret.

Diana
Diana
July 13, 2013 1:24 pm
Reply to  Anonymous

I LOVE THAT! I know it freaks people out completely, maybe its supposed to, that’s our power. Mind you, it’s completely brilliant NOT having them anymore.

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 13, 2013 2:13 pm
Reply to  Diana

oh yeah I’m definitely looking forward to that day coming – it’s not like I’m using the eggs 😀

Good to talk to you Diana. Blessed ye be.

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 13, 2013 6:33 pm
Reply to  Diana

speaking of fear and bleeding, this made me laugh – out loud

http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/17983915/tampons-banned-at-texas-senate-vote/

Diana
Diana
July 13, 2013 8:23 pm
Reply to  Anonymous

aha..I told you we were powerful! Unreal!

pegasus
pegasus
July 13, 2013 2:58 pm
Reply to  Diana

Coincidently i started full time bodywork right on early menopause and was so busy that it was not noticed and thereby had no symptoms ‘cept fatigue and no time for stoopity from friends. My ‘no time for BS lost a few of course
but my self esteem increased and satisfaction of work well done.

Scorpbot
Scorpbot
July 13, 2013 3:38 pm
Reply to  pegasus

Good to hear from a fellow Cap riser re menopause.

Fingers crossed for no symptoms when the time comes.

calypso
calypso
July 13, 2013 7:55 pm
Reply to  Diana

strong astro! fantastic pro-femme, life-embracing take on it all Diana, thanks for sharing your wisdom from the other side 🙂

Diana
Diana
July 14, 2013 9:42 am
Reply to  calypso

You’re most welcome, Calypso. The other side ain’t so bad at all, in fact there’s quite a bit of fun to be had in ways you never knew when you were younger….but I’ll leave that up to you to discover yourself.

calypso
calypso
July 14, 2013 2:42 pm
Reply to  Diana

haha, I will make it my mission 🙂

Scorpbot
Scorpbot
July 13, 2013 8:09 pm
Reply to  Diana

Thanks for writing Diana. 🙂

Really enjoyed reading your comment. Many things resonated. And so true about bodies knowing “that they are a receptacle of emotional truth and they never lie”
Hard to ignore gut instinct! I find “sleeping on it” helps too, when I’m feeling overwhelmed.

Agree with you re compassion also. Not surprised you’re familiar with your frailties with a perceptive Scorp moon. Scorps are good at getting to the bottom and under the surface of things. They know their demons. Hard not to with Pluto as ruler 🙂

Diana
Diana
July 13, 2013 8:26 pm
Reply to  Scorpbot

Thanks, good for you. Sleep is a major bigtime healer

Libra9
Libra9
July 13, 2013 4:37 am

Born 1962, the year between 49-50 worst of my life as I split from long-time partner and father of my two children, was unemployed and deeply depressed. It felt like I had to hold my breath and go to the bottom of the earth so I could learn to climb to the stars again. Just after my birthday I bought a house and got a job, now learning to paint, a talent I did not know I had. Finding every dark moon since then really difficult, but otherwise loving it all.

Scorpbot
Scorpbot
July 13, 2013 1:24 am

Will be having my Chiron return very soon. Turning 49 in November. It’s hard to believe! I’m only just getting started – Cap Asc 🙂

I’m really not worried about ageing. I dealt with all that when Saturn transited my Libra venus. THE worst transit ever !

My natal Chiron 14º Pisces in 2nd house trine Neptune and Sun in 10th.

A very timely post Mystic!!

pegasus
pegasus
July 13, 2013 3:01 pm
Reply to  Scorpbot

Wow, Scorp, you were in your very early 40’s when i met you here! Has it REALLY been 8 years. You are a Big Girl now 😉

Scorpbot
Scorpbot
July 13, 2013 3:35 pm
Reply to  pegasus

Hey Pegs! 🙂

I’m sure it’s been more than 8 years. I remember when Mystic’s blog had that teal / green coloured background.

Time flies when you’re having fun non? It’s been more about growth with heavy Pluto and Saturn transits though.

Life is infinitely better now than the first half of this year. 🙂

The Leo Socialite
The Leo Socialite
July 12, 2013 10:08 pm

I am not there yet either but simply put, is this not the choice between whether to get ‘work’ done or to let things slide?

also, you work out to stay alive longer not to look cute by the weekend.

everyone i know over 50 who is successfully ageing imo meditates regularly. hard to get away from that.

pegasus
pegasus
July 13, 2013 3:08 pm

TLS, it is decision time then, then coz, i’m now waaay past it, and at the time had to make a choice. Chose no and to reinvest in superb quality marquillage and apparel instead.
The only person that notices expensive ‘werk’ is yourself and no one else. That and too much can go wrong unless you can go to Joan Rivers’ practitioner and then the face doesn’t match the body. You have excellent genes, don’t waste your finances on facewerk, sweetie.

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 13, 2013 5:10 pm

re the work done or let things slide issue – with chiron its on the inside you get work done not the outside.
and with chiron u can let things slide too. its really up to you.

Capfire
Capfire
July 12, 2013 9:48 pm

Where do I begin with Chiron? 51. after the Pluto rake on my Venus (2005 divorce) Mars 2009, Sun 2010 followed by Mercury (just past). Not to mention the Uranus transit & dabbling as a submissive for fuq knows why it felt right after Pluto hell. Then came the hysterectomy @ 50 followed by resigning my job of 10 yrs, selling up & moving north from south Sydney (yes, it’s a different country but same ole town) I honestly don’t know what to say after Pluto hammer on my early multi conjunct Cap but a nice low key (when we… Read more »

MzBee
MzBee
July 12, 2013 7:09 pm

I reach the 56 mark mid August. I can honestly say that 50 was the worst year as it ushered in the end of a 24 year marriage, and a domino affect started from that. Two years later, I was made redundant – another domino effect, incorporating the Empty Nest syndrome! I moved interstate and became a Uni student at 54 (still going somehow). Was diagnosed with Asperger’s last year and felt like I lost my self-identity. And yet – 6 years after 50, I know I am a better person for it all. I am moving again next week… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 12, 2013 8:45 pm
Reply to  MzBee

Dear MzBee, so know how you feel on the story others might want to hear front. Have very angular Chiron bang on IC, conjuct Jupiter, square Sagg Sun in 1st, and opposite Uranus/Pluto on Virgo MC. Return last year/early this year, with Neptune near natal Jupiter/Chiron, Jupiter in Gem opposing Sun and squaring the rest of it, and Saturn entering 12th. Grand cross from hell. In truth, Chiron’s story is one of healing, but also one of unrequited agony. Agony from an unhealable wound, borne nobly, and in service, but still unbearable and ended only by a death of sorts… Read more »

Fi
Fi
July 12, 2013 9:03 pm
Reply to  Anonymous

woops, anon here was me.

Emg
Emg
July 13, 2013 12:38 am
Reply to  MzBee

At 50 your life turned into a whole new deal. Lots of things must have felt like death. But it’s also allowing buds of something really new. Check out your north node and see where that path is taking you. And please please there is not one cell of your body that is irrelevant let alone the whole person. You have a story, a wisdom and a reality all your own. Dignity is yours. Go find out where you really want to go next. It’s exciting, terrifying, hard but like you say utterly authentic. Best best best of luck on… Read more »

Fi
Fi
July 13, 2013 6:58 pm
Reply to  Emg

Thanks, that’s sweet. Merc direct in 8th rather than retro (can’t come soon enough), and entry of Mars to same (imminent) should help with the phoenixing….x

Emg
Emg
July 12, 2013 4:42 pm

Chiron can arrive for his return anytime from 48-51. It’s a point in life to let go of conditioning, step into your north node and truly be the authentic you. No excuses he’s just gonna pinch otherwise like a pair of ill fitting shoes. I’m really looking forward to mine. He’s in my first, very late Pisces and conjunct Saturn pretty much conj my asc. I’m looking at a big deal I think and for one I can’t wait. Have a feeling I will either leave this mortal plane or really start living it !!!

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 12, 2013 5:21 pm
Reply to  Emg

wow… same here. It does feel really big!

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 12, 2013 6:38 pm
Reply to  Emg

interesting. chiron is conjunct my north node, thanks for the heads up.

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 12, 2013 6:38 pm
Reply to  Anonymous

natally i mean.

Chiron Rising
Chiron Rising
July 12, 2013 9:15 pm
Reply to  Emg

Me too – Pisces asc 25 deg (trine Jupiter & Neptune exact – grand water) & Chiron 27 deg. Feels like am building to a big turning point, not sure what yet but certainly more authentic and unencumbered.

Emg
Emg
July 13, 2013 12:30 am
Reply to  Chiron Rising

You’ve just gotta be you from here on in! Say no to gluten dairy sugar and all social conditioning.

Emg
Emg
July 13, 2013 12:31 am
Reply to  Emg

Chiron rising you have yours about where I have mine! How’s it been to here?

Chiron Rising
Chiron Rising
July 13, 2013 6:25 pm
Reply to  Emg

Thought it might be close! Have spent most of my life saying no to social conditioning, maybe had a harder road of my own making ; ) Wheat, sugar and caffeine are the last of a heavy list of addictions i’m yet to beat – but think I’ll feel better when I do!

To here …the real seemed unreal and the unreal, more real (escape artist)

How about you?

Emg
Emg
July 13, 2013 10:06 pm
Reply to  Chiron Rising

To date it’s been a roller coaster. My first astrologer likened me to a cartoon super hero. Who’d be in the direst situation facing anihilation and still find a way out battered bruised but learning! That about sums it up. I’ve learned a lot about my own capacity. And yes I’m an unorthodox medic as my living !

Chiron Rising
Chiron Rising
July 13, 2013 11:47 pm
Reply to  Emg

Love that Superhero characterisation – and how you’re doing your astro – it’s great!

All the best Super Emg!

Emgemg
Emgemg
July 14, 2013 6:15 am
Reply to  Chiron Rising

I think the Astros doing me !

Piwacket
Piwacket
July 12, 2013 4:24 pm

50 on 13th August and intend to spend my day with my 14year old son here http://www.portmeirion-village.com/ – it’s where they filmed the Prisoner. Will be visiting the dogs cemetary which is just round the corner from the Ghost Garden and having ice cream at Cadwalladers. The whole site has a lovely peaceful vibe to it and is my fave place. Definitely not high heels!!!

Aquasunbird
Aquasunbird
July 12, 2013 6:23 pm
Reply to  Piwacket

Kaffe Fasset Textile designer did a wonderful photographic shoot there for a quilting book…The colours, the buildings and interiors are inspirational and it is stunning…Uplifting. I hope you love it, what a lovely place to go to! On the topic of chiron…Its conjunct mars (7th), in opposition to pluto conjunct uranus (1st)…sextile neptune…sextile venus (5th). You only know what you do. An occasional professional muckracker here. Seems to me I am aware there is plenty of suffering around, at all levels, yet try to stay detached, keep things clean…Its so apparent a distinct lack of resources exists for people who… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 13, 2013 1:13 am
Reply to  Aquasunbird

What sign is this older woman boss? Just curious.

Link
Link
July 12, 2013 3:46 pm

I’m 49 (in my fiftieth year I ‘spose) and Chiron’s here already. Opposing my natal Pluto, Sappho, Uranus MC just for good measure. Transiting Pluto is in my first house. There is no choice for me at the moment but to completely transform. Shrink. Check. Acupuncture. Check. Gum boots (2 pairs)–someone just said to me I look like someone from the French Foreign Legion. Check. Bach flowers check. My shrink has suggested we exhume Freddy, make him bob back up to the surface. This should clear up a life time’s of everything and apparently she reckons Freddy will become some… Read more »

ramm-madam dingdong
ramm-madam dingdong
July 12, 2013 4:52 pm
Reply to  Link

Today, I slipped into a well of tears!! They persisted in blurring my vision towards the end of the yoga session this morning, & the drive home became one of those deep yearning sobs. So your comment “Chiron makes me weep” made me want to check where he was transitting on my chart. I just hadn’t taken much notice of chiron lately, & his trine to the north node (with an aspect to mercury too – all retro!!) .. so he’s grabbed me by surprise. Triggered by some old fears that I haven’t been able to shake. But to find… Read more »

ramm-madam dingdong
ramm-madam dingdong
July 12, 2013 5:04 pm

How did that repeat line creep in there??
(merc retro?)

Fi
Fi
July 12, 2013 9:06 pm

chiron makes me weep, too. as for fears that are hard to shake, know you are so not alone. comfort in numbers and all that xx

ramm-madam dingdong
ramm-madam dingdong
July 13, 2013 12:52 am
Reply to  Fi

Gorgeous comment!
Thanx for the reminder Fi!

Firehorse
Firehorse
July 12, 2013 2:26 pm

PI – I’m a couple years from my chiron return and my sage wisdom to you is this: enjoy your body!! Whatever it looks like! enjoy it because in your 40s all it does is change change change. Enjoy your skin, your vision, your teeth, your knees, your libido!, your digestion, and your legs, whatever their length and width! Enjoy them because they may look better now than they ever will again! I am thin and was never a vain person until I turned 45 and everything is rapidly changing. I check myself in the mirror now more than I… Read more »

aqua leo scorpmn
aqua leo scorpmn
July 12, 2013 2:59 pm
Reply to  Firehorse

thank you for the reminder, I will keep this post close to really enjoy my 30s…

Double Happiness
Double Happiness
July 12, 2013 3:57 pm
Reply to  Firehorse

Yep I totally agree except about the bit where I give up dairy carbs and alcohol…. Enjoy those bodies ASAP! I am going out tonight to celebrate the new job with old workmates and plan on shaking my moneymaker to Andrew at the German Club Brisbanes most hilariously ironic night out!

Pi
Pi
July 13, 2013 12:28 am
Reply to  Firehorse

THANK YOU firehorse, you have no idea how much this advice means to me (I am SO self-conscious of my appearance … it makes no sense)

Andromeda
Andromeda
July 12, 2013 2:22 pm

My Chinese Kataka Mother in Law says the Chinese believe that all the decade turning times are stressful. So 29, 39, 49 etc.
It’s funny how Saturn Return, Uranus Opposition, Chiron Return etc. all arrive around those points too.

aqua leo scorpmn
aqua leo scorpmn
July 12, 2013 2:09 pm

My Chiron Return of living 30 years without ever touching a HIV med will sound something like this…..

Isolated individuals who take their position outside the tribe always stand the best chance of getting better results based on their distanced, and disinterested, view that position affords.

O Eris Pholos, so challengingly placed throughout…

calypso
calypso
July 12, 2013 11:49 am
Reply to  Mystic

that’s cool MM! re: my friend (post above) her Asc conjunction is the natal placement. sorry, didn’t make that clear and probably sounded otherwise!

Scorp Sun/Rising
Scorp Sun/Rising
July 12, 2013 11:55 am
Reply to  Mystic

Interesting. Thanks for the insight.

Domestic Triffid
Domestic Triffid
July 12, 2013 12:16 pm
Reply to  Mystic

EEEEEEKKK ! Mad Panic !!!!! Chiron is j-u-s-t about to cross my Descendant. Like in the next week….. *Flaps madly* Mind you, nothing *ever* really happens to me in these grand astrology things….. Other people have mad affairs or end up in Jamaica running a brothel, or Paris as an interior designer; and I’m still *here* in my Jim Jams, painting a bit, or making pots; but still primarily wrangling children, making porridge, changing nappies, wiping crayon off the walls. I’m not really complaining – “May you live in interesting times” *is* a curse, after all. Its just I had… Read more »

12th house virgo
12th house virgo
July 12, 2013 2:19 pm
Reply to  Mystic

How long do you consider a Chiron transit active? When its within 10 degrees? 5 degrees? Exact? My Venus is at 6 Virgo and I am hoping my Chiron opposition transit can be counted as over now.

Firehorse
Firehorse
July 12, 2013 2:28 pm

I’m really curious about this as well. My Chiron recently passed over my DC and now is Chiron retrograde? So it may pass over again? I’m wondering about that degree span….

fluidfeline
fluidfeline
July 12, 2013 6:14 pm
Reply to  Mystic

Interesting MM, Chiron was conj my Asc and my Libran partner’s MC on our first meet. Pluto was conj his Vertex and opp my Moon; Moon was conj both our Psyche in Aqua and his Eros in Aqua. And Mars was conj my DSC and conj his Jupiter/NN/IC. Getting a bit off topic, love synastry/composite stuff.

Checked meet date with ex hb of 17 years – Chiron/Merc in the 5th on my Sun/Moon midpoint. And Jupiter conj my Sun/his Asc, Sun conj my Moon and Moon conj my Asc/his NN in Pisces.

Domestic Triffid
Domestic Triffid
July 12, 2013 11:39 am

My Chiron is the ONLY thing I have in Aries 🙂 And it forms aspects to everything except my Moon – a square here, a conjunction there… The only thing I really get out of it is that my health is a hot mess, and that I am and have been extremely gung ho about trying to fix it. Added to a Virgo tendency towards hypochondria and a Saggitarian tendency to gallop about until I smack into something and break bones, its all a bit much, to tell the truth. I started studying to become a Naturopath, but had an… Read more »

Domestic Triffid
Domestic Triffid
July 12, 2013 11:43 am

PS: Those boots are HOT. I would definitely break an ankle in them 😀

calypso
calypso
July 12, 2013 11:47 am

hi DT, you could try emailing satya@healingwithin.com.au and talk to him about how he works – by shifting energy but in a more focussed way than reiki and with other aspects. Not sure if you can train in it tbh….Can do remotely. I highly recommend but don’t know about appropriateness to your physical conditions. You could ask. Good luck!

Domestic Triffid
Domestic Triffid
July 12, 2013 12:18 pm
Reply to  calypso

Thanks Calypso – looks like an interesting person. A natural, so probably no learning there for me, but maybe some healing 😀 I’ll txt him – thanks for the recommendation !!

calypso
calypso
July 12, 2013 12:35 pm

you’re welcome DT. A couple of things trad medicos & naturopaths could only band-aid for me he has made disappear. Got to the source. A great relief after 20 years of recurring conditions. Also enabled me to stop smoking after 28 years, cured me of love zombieism, etc 🙂

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 13, 2013 11:39 am

sometimes the healing is in the letting go and allowing others who have already mastered the knowledge or have a natural talent for the modality to treat you. surrender not striving. letting go not grasping.

pegasus
pegasus
July 12, 2013 11:35 am

I have a pix of me at my 50th in a black tuxedo, the real thing with satin lapels and stripe down leg, yup STILL have it, but the most memorable part of the day was in was in the middle of my 6 weeks affair with a 28 yo, 6’1” greek god with the best dreads ever. He came to stay with a giant Akita pup who i adored and who (the dog) promptly pissed the amount of an elephant on the cream carpet. It never came out. So be careful of carpet on your Chiron return. The GG… Read more »

calypso
calypso
July 12, 2013 11:40 am
Reply to  pegasus

wonderful story Pegs! sorry to hear about the guinea pig though….

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 12, 2013 11:54 am
Reply to  pegasus

YES! Hoorah! pegs, I’ve finally coincided with you – can you tell me the names of any good books on tantra please? Saturn in Scorpio has me hankering for a more ‘elevated’ energy exchange : ) Hope life is good for you xxx whatevs

pegasus
pegasus
July 13, 2013 2:33 pm
Reply to  Anonymous

Whatevs, i like Margot Anand’s interp of Tantra starting with The Art of Everyday Ecstacy, the The Art of Sexual Ecstacy, and if you want more magical practises and psychopomp then The Art of Sexual Magic, dress-ups & drama in that book!
For a man, and a woman to know is what i call MOM,
The Multi-Orgasmic Man by Mantak Chia. His wife does sexual energy for women based more on Taoist. They make interesting coffee table books :-).
Margot is on YouTube so is Mantak if an aural learner. Have fun with it.
Warm wishes.

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 13, 2013 5:51 pm
Reply to  pegasus

thanks pegs and love to you – let the adventure begin 😀

Scorp Sun/Rising
Scorp Sun/Rising
July 12, 2013 11:22 am

I had it about 6 years ago. My natal Chiron sits directly on the IC (Aquarius). My mother passed during that time. I entered an advanced Yoga program for a year and went through a dramatic time with siblings over the estate that lasted for most of the time Chiron was transitting my 4th house. It was a difficult transit for me and I’m happy to be done with it.

ramm-madam dingdong
ramm-madam dingdong
July 12, 2013 12:42 pm

I have chiron velcroed to my IC too!
Knocking on the outside of my fourth house door
.. at zero Aries :/

* quiet shudder *

The return will be a coupla years away
.. any wisewords you’d like to pass on Scorp S/R?

Scorp Sun/Rising
Scorp Sun/Rising
July 12, 2013 1:07 pm

I like that “Velcroed” lol.
Mystic made a comment below about Chiron hitting on the angles (like IC) and how it coincides with big changes sometimes. Certainly not all bad. Mine actually started showing up as to what was coming about a year and a half prior to the actual return, so I had a heads up. (not that it helped much because i wasn’t into Astrology at the time). You are though… that helps tremendously. However it shows up, embrace it. It really made me grow up.

ramm-madam dingdong
ramm-madam dingdong
July 13, 2013 10:46 pm

Well I’m becoming more and more conscious of how I communicate my pain to those that I love (something that I’ve always struggled with) .. & with Chiron parked right at the end of my third house of communications (but in Aries, @ zero degrees) I’m learning better ‘verbal’ expression, rather than a pass/aggr style of soldiering on – & sublimating the anger into work (& housework). Your point about chiron highlighting the area in need of ‘growing up’ really resonated. For me it’s via ‘verbal’ communications, and feels quite profound, as my lifelong safe haven became my work –… Read more »

ramm-madam dingdong
ramm-madam dingdong
July 13, 2013 11:11 pm

.. & another point just occurred to me. My chiron is square my 12th house sagg moon. I’ve spent a lifetime bemoaning my mum’s inability to communicate to me. She is lovely, very gentle, & was very zen (when she was happy); but she doubted her parenting skills so much that she became incapable (or too scared) of talking to me about anything of any real substance .. & I’m still waiting for the birds & the bees chat!! 🙂 But I understand why. She was sent off to boarding school at the age of ten. A cold, old, bluestone… Read more »

Scorpio Sun/Rising
Scorpio Sun/Rising
July 14, 2013 8:34 am

Quite the.Journey yes? Always something to work on and/or through. I think having the wounded healer “velcroed” 😉 on the cusp of the 4th house speaks volumes for possible challenges within the family dynamics don’t you? But also great healing.That’s certainly how it’s shown up for me. (Exhausting) but I also have Pluto in the 10th, I was raised by mommy dearest who would was the apparent polar opposite of your mother. interesting yes? 🙂 best of luck to you and keep us posted.

calypso
calypso
July 12, 2013 11:17 am

this is a bit off-track, sorry, but Chiron-related and I found it fascinating.

I have a friend who experienced chronic abuse in childhood – a situation that affected the whole family generationally.

she’s done a brilliant job healing herself and others in her family and is about to be trained by an amazing energy healer.

I did her chart recently, Chiron is EXACT conjunct her Asc – to the minute.

Talk about a wounded healer…

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 12, 2013 11:33 am
Reply to  calypso

I think on the corners it brings great power to phoenix and shift energy. With mine on the MC healers have always sought me out and offered to teach me. They always arrive right on time too.

calypso
calypso
July 12, 2013 11:37 am
Reply to  Anonymous

oh, that would be a very strong placement too. wonderful to hear! thanks for commenting 🙂

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 12, 2013 12:02 pm
Reply to  calypso

have you seen kim falconer’s book astrology and aptitude? It might tell you more about your friend’s latent abilities. It’s definitely up there as far as useful astro books are concerned. Although I have saturn in the tenth so I’m probably work biased….

calypso
calypso
July 12, 2013 1:06 pm
Reply to  Anonymous

no I haven’t but obvs I think she’s awesome and my friend has a b’day upcoming so this is perfect – thanks so much for the great tip!

calypso
calypso
July 12, 2013 11:50 am
Reply to  calypso

to clarify – that’s the natal placement 🙂

lia
lia
July 12, 2013 11:15 am

Born in 62, I have spent the last few years becoming more disciplined re my diet, exercise,thoughts and creativity . Nurturing myself along with raising teenagers has become easier with the use of bio-identical hormones. Green-juices and largely paleo diet suit me as I work on building my strength rather than on losing weight.
Older, wiser and stronger and better looking. What’s not to like?

lia
lia
July 12, 2013 6:59 pm
Reply to  lia

Have just looked at my chart and noticed that Jupiter and Chiron are both at 10 degrees in my Piscean 4th house -opposite my mid-heaven- so my Chiron transit must be still happening, non?

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 12, 2013 11:13 am

I’m years away from chiron returns but I recommend that book with every fibre of my being. It was like hearing myself think reading parts of it. Chiron is the apex of my chart on the MC aspected by 7 planets so it’s integral. It helped me understand better how i relate to men. And when I stopped being nursie in triage life took a turn for the better. Two thumbs up to melanie reinhart.

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 12, 2013 11:15 am
Reply to  Anonymous

get the book pi, i suspect you’ll love it

Pi
Pi
July 12, 2013 12:52 pm
Reply to  Anonymous

thanks anon.

Pi
Pi
July 12, 2013 12:59 pm
Reply to  Anonymous

also yes, i have chiron in 10th conjunct venus, south node, part of fortune, and various aspects with mars, asc, moon. Chiron-Neptune conjunct my Mars was a massive journey of the heart, out of the badlands. i will keep an eye out for it.

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 12, 2013 6:40 pm
Reply to  Pi

chiron in aries?

Pi
Pi
July 13, 2013 12:29 am
Reply to  Anonymous

yes, in Aries.

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 13, 2013 11:37 am
Reply to  Pi

the book will help with the venus/mars scenario – maybe it will make its way miraculously into your grasp next semester x

Pi
Pi
July 14, 2013 12:07 am
Reply to  Anonymous

hmm, maybe..

Pi
Pi
July 12, 2013 11:12 am

oh god i am closer to 50 than i am to 20 OH GOD aagh *rushes to do all the things*

OK, calm down Pi. A question for people who are 50ish and Chiron’d up.. If you could offer any advice to your mid-30s self, what would it be?

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 12, 2013 11:16 am
Reply to  Pi

wow weird scenes inside the chiron mine – my response to you is down below!

UranianLeo
UranianLeo
July 13, 2013 4:18 am
Reply to  Pi

I had a blast in my mid 30’s, but in looking back I wish I would have let go of toxic stuff/people sooner, it is such a waste of time! Time is still on your side in your 30’s – not so much in your 50’s. 🙂

Pi
Pi
July 14, 2013 12:08 am
Reply to  UranianLeo

thank you uranian Leo.. xx

Resurrected
Resurrected
July 14, 2013 12:55 am
Reply to  Pi

I celebrate you just for being in your thirties and asking such a question. Look to what puts you at peace the most and follow that, let go (repeat LET GO) of those circumstances that you would hang onto hoping they will change (they are never going to change). Step peacefully toward your own happiness and understand that it comes from within you not from what anyone else would define for you (let go of the hype).

davidl
davidl
July 12, 2013 11:07 am

I had my Chiron return in aqua my 8th house, a couple of years ago. It coincided with a few other major transits , very difficult ones, ( saturn opp sun, sq natal saturn, sq natal mars while pluto conj saturn and also sq them all) so it is hard to separate the variety of merde that was going down at the time. I did at the time do a bit of research into my Chiron aspects over time though and was astounded at the synchronicity of major Chiron transits to major turning points in my life. Chiron can not… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 12, 2013 12:34 pm
Reply to  davidl

That explains everything!! I’m Pisces sun/ aqua asc and saggi moon with saturn, merc, venus, mars, jupiter and Chiron ALL in my 1st house (pisces Sun, Venus and Chiron, with the other four in Aqua). Turned fifty 17 months ago and have been on an introspective bender. Am finally putting huge effort into researching and writing the novel I was always going to write. Of course astrology / mythology is all in there. This is the best news MM. Makes me feel like I’m back on the path and out of the wilderness, altho still single, lol.

j-joy
j-joy
July 12, 2013 10:40 am

Not born in 63 but 64, chiron is 14° pisces near my 17° sun. Right now there is chiron conj merc and mars, opposite uranus and pluto. I feel calm in a darth vaderish way, my cape occasionally feels a bit (or very a lot) scratchy but no-one needs to know about that (only you guys reading this). Outlook-wise I want to create something, something beautiful – but I am still working out what that is, what it will be. xxx

Maria
Maria
July 12, 2013 9:56 am

I had my Chiron return seven years ago. I think turning 50 is such a big thing in your life. I was going through menapause loss of a family member and health probs. it was just a huge turning point in my life. Its like realising that your whole body has changed and being honest realising that you are in a different area of your life. I hated reaching 50 and have spoke to a lot of women and they say the same thing.

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 12, 2013 1:45 pm
Reply to  Maria

i agree with this, i hate being 51, struggle with the idea that i am no longer relevant on any level. did it get better for you as time went on. i had a huge party for my 40th but not my 50th. sad i know. my mum said her 50s were wonderful but i just feel in mourning. can i ask did that pass ?

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 12, 2013 6:20 pm
Reply to  Anonymous

Yes it does. It was a bit of a struggle but you have to try and be positive and just look forward. I feel a lot wiser. So chin up and realise that we all go through these stages in life.

gbs
gbs
July 12, 2013 9:43 am

The Melanie Reinhart book is very good, but there’s a lot in it that takes time to absorb and really grok. I’ve gone back to it for years and still don’t feel like I really get Chiron, even though it’s well placed in my chart… Speaking of feet being psychosomatic: In April of this year, I wore a pair of tight shoes to an all-day event and the pressure on my feet caused the nails on my two big toes to bruise and turn a dark purple-brown. It’s the strangest thing. My nails have grown very slowly since then and… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 12, 2013 6:20 pm
Reply to  gbs

sorry but the message is don’t wear tight shoes. if you read more than that into it then that has nothing to do with feet, its your mind.

cw
cw
July 13, 2013 10:31 pm
Reply to  Anonymous

ew…that was snotty.

inger
inger
July 15, 2013 12:05 am
Reply to  gbs

On a Reflexology Chart and other diagrams of the foot you can find at healthfood stores—look at what you big toes connects to and/or represents.

Oran Mor
Oran Mor
July 12, 2013 9:32 am

Oooh, I’ve been working through mounds of Chironic stuff at the moment; my own natal Chiron at 5 degrees Cancer is getting a solid dose of the grand water trine.

Thank you for alerting me to this book, I’m going to investigate further!

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