He Did Not Like Scorpios

George Cruickshank Scorpio vintage caricature. Scorpio in history.

This image is a somewhat Gothic little take on Scorpio history.

George Cruikshank was a caricaturist of the 1800s – huge in his day – who clearly did not like Scorpios. All of his other astrological pieces are more or less flattering depictions of the sign symbol or using wordplay. Scorpio? He goes to town with the Goth-o-Rama, complete with skulls, presumably discarded by the vengeful seething Scorpio.

George was Libran and could have had some personal bias against Scorps. He had the classic Libran Free Love mentality. Lauded for his saintly civic values and good husbandry, he also had a secret mistress with 11 of his children. Maybe a Scorpio gossip columnist of the era threatened to ruin his whole racket. For a more nuanced take on Scorpio in history and the origin of the sign see 21st Century Zodiac Signs

But people once regarded Scorpio with fear and suspicion.  Read more or less any pre-1960s astrological book for an example of this. Same with the 8th House and anything Pluto.  Scorps/8th House themes generally seen as bad news: you might as well own up to being officially evil relatively early in life and get on with your witchcraft, whoring, slander, scheming and generally gothic dark life.

Scorpio was re-branded (correctly, in my opinion) as being more all about Authenticity and Passion. And the 8th House became a part of the chart associated with self-dev and Jungian style shadow-work. Thankfully. I have a substantial 8th House and was horrified by the delineations in some of the old textbooks i used to trawl through as a child. I had a dictionary on hand to look up the  meaning of words such as ‘erotomania,’ ‘venereal’ and ‘vainglorious.’

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Vintage Capricorn drawing

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nerida groom

i feel the scorpio libra awkwardness .. my sister is a scorp.. both of my parents deny astrology is valid, and i have seen scorpio pranks that cannot be defined in day to day life and have spent years trying to voice problems about imbalances in the family that go unnoticed because they seem more like whining than actual real events.. friends would see one or two opportunities for the same page transformation and would wonder why i didn’t grab it while i had a chance but they didn’t see the whole picture either.. or how i’m trying to understand… Read more »

emmaru

I have found scorpio’s to be the most fixed of all the fixed signs. They need a gemini, pisces, or saggo rising sign before they can begin to see another persons point of view.

Anonymous

like 🙂

scorpiorising

Men find it fascinating if I tell them I am Scorpio Rising when asked. Women do not share in that fascination. So, I no longer share my Rising, only sun. Strangely, enough I am often asked this at parties when we first meet.

aqaleoscorpmn

Probably becasue men know you will be pretty intense in bed… lol. I know a cancer woman with this ascendant that works at our front desk… im gay, of course but she always gets my scorpio moon jaunts and jokes. I also love her suspiciousness and not wanting anyone to rule her over her corps or otherwise. Of course were all ruled, I really give it to people that can admit this and begin to change it little by little. I know two Pisceans also but there less interested in being controlled. Way more go with thy flow but very… Read more »

gemleolib

Sun in the 8th house, pluto in my first. I like the idea of embracing “witchcraft, whoring, slander, scheming”. Makes life more interesting. (well maybe not slandering and scheming but certainly witchcraft and whoring!). 🙂

Go fish lightly

Read once in astro book that Scorps are capable of the highest and most pure feeling, thought and action and absolutely the most evil as well. That seems true of any sign but due to Pluto rulership it may be truer in their case. I remember as a child, I got so vibed out by a neighbor’s son. Intense energy and psychic wake that he left behind him. My mother happened to adore him and I asked her, an astrologer in training, the origin of my general discomfort. Just his presence alone, no words or actions weirded me out –… Read more »

nerida groom

yucky 🙁 i’ve known a few people who change their behaviour in various circumstances and visibly to ingratiate themselves to certain people, i understand what you mean..

Charley

Oh classic. Poor George and his Scorp-o-phobia, sounds like a sexual spurning to me, sneaky old hypocritical Libran.

A close friend realised I was a Scorpio the other day after 4 years of friendship and actually recoiled away from me, totally stupid haha. I am of course a true Scorpio with my Sun in the 8th house hyper aware of all good and bad things that brings. There are high and low manifestations of every sign.

Veronica

I actually did that with a dear friend too, when I realised she was scorp moon instead of libran moon that I had thought all these years!
It made me look at her differently, that she was more dangerous somehow. Quite hypocritical of me in retrospect

Scorp Inc.

“Cruikshank”?! What retro bizzaro synchro tidbit of info! I was once under the thumb of a man by that very name: he despised me the minute I walked in the room, before we ever spoke. He tried to delete me from the institution, I persevered, & he hated me even more. Now, he’s a voluntary reference on my cv *wink*. What can I say? I genuinely always kind of enjoyed the crusty fuqer’s sarcasm & dry humor, and I had enough patience to wait for the day he would kind of enjoy me, too. I knew the day would come… Read more »

K-Gem

Maybe the mistress was the Scorpio?

Veronica

I have always had Scorpio female friends, I find them trustworthy and loyal. There was a bit of bitchy competetiveness when we were very young, but my oldest friend is a scorp, and my second oldest ff too. And my mother is. And my partner is scorp rising Leo.

Never been attracted to scorp men (except one fatally attractive tall Dutch detective inspector) but find them worthy opponents, I don’t mind their intensity. Am usually attracted to gemini-ish men tho, cos they can really make me laugh

Electric Eel Libran

Same here. I had one Scorp Man just to try the flavour. It sucks unless you like high drama and high maintenence immature men. I don’t know why they have a following at all. I’m over that shizz. I think some women can handle it better though so more for them!

Veronica

have observed that Cancerians seem to be able to really *get* Scorpio men, and flow with the deeeep sensitivity that scorps also shield away…

Ms.

Sure, but this is a christian hangover non? pluto underworld would have equaled hell and a certain kind of demonising of the shadows. Even in the irony of someone illustrating astrology. Also, there is probably a lover or mother issue there as well as the era bias

anastasia

still though, a big 8th house, like I have as well, might have a little of the each diabolical aspects to my scorpionic persona. ( I am a libra).I rarely have lighthearted relationships and my true loves have always been a little violent. That could be because i have mars (5th) square pluto(8th) which through the years I have learned to control by being more suave than ever.
hahahaa
I love you for this story Mystic!
xo

aqua lion

I love the concept of a young MM (looking somewhat like the caricature above, in black and white line drawing), a serious young child, with fat dictionary on hand to look up “vainglorious” and probably “psychopathic” with astro book in the other hand. So what age did you get into astrology? what drew you to it and what were your favourite first few texts? Just curious, of course you may have mentioned this already or you may have incredible moon-virgo to-do list that precludes answering this. I got seriously into astrology about age 13-14, I had a brilliant dark blue… Read more »

Scorpbot

Hehe.. “The only astrology book you’ll ever need” I have that one too!! 🙂 I’ve flicked through that book for so many years (and still do) that it’s falling apart.

ms. vervain

Hello, my 8th house-y soap making friend! No wonder I resonate with your essential oil combos so well. Didn’t realize you had a big 8th……
btw, I recently sent an astral-memo to please stock or make more Vanilla goodness – and voila! You not only added a vanilla bar, but matching perfume! Thank you….xoxoxo

Kataka on Fire

Well as a lover and hater (I don’t use that word often) of Scorpios I cam understand, they represent most significant relationships in my life, certain the transformational ones (not always for the better I may add) the ones that approach wanting to die when they are over (I have a loaded 8th house too) They are EVERY “first” in my life, first crush, first love, first kiss, etc etc I should avoid this pattern now, thing is whoever their Sun is, its very compatible with something in mine.. or fated as on my SN, but anything else seems superficial… Read more »

Anonymous

Deliciously well built Scorpio friend and co worker asked me feel his pecs where he had pulled a muscle today, my god it felt like a soap opera! I think my knees even buckled a little.

Pi

I would have prefaced the pecs-feeling-up with a statement that denied any and all responsibility for What Happens Next.

actually that reminds me of a hunky Aqua who I worked with once. he had been bitten by a spider or bullant or something and said hey feel this bite on my leg (wearing trousers of course), little did he know I have a weakness / thing for a well-honed man-thigh (encased in faded denim: I am *gone*) and I am pretty sure I blushed – it was a nasty bite too, ftr

milleunanotte

Yes hard to keep your teeth off a good thigh.

aqua lion

thank you for two nice little fantasy-moments, ahhh nice. and nicely worded with the pecs story.

Pi

mille hahahahaha yes it’s how i test most things for quality – gold bullion, muscles…

Anonymous

Venereal as in cleansing?

Anonymous

The important point is that vainglorious deserves much higher rotation.

Zaiborg

Doomed from birth?!
Erh, DUH!
Scorpio: Sun and Moon in the 7th and Mercury and Neptune in the 8th.

As a small child I was kicked out of Sunday School for asking ‘evil’ questions about the Bible, and challenging some of it’s plainly obvious flaws (some of biggest fairy tales I’d ever heard).
Pretty much went from there.

Mwooh-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-haah!
*raises one eyebrow, theatrically flicks cape and disappears in a plume of red smoke*

Gemyogi

You are definitely evil. That’s why I like you so much!! Xo

Gemyogi

P.s. challenging the Bible is sensible, not evil!

Fi

ditto to both comments, gemyogi! I did it too Zaiborg, at school (in “divinity” class), and was not popular with our chaplain, who was to my mind the embodiment of all that is not beautiful, soul-wise. Used to wag chapel too, in protest: I’d hide under the bushes reading pagan texts like Lord of the Rings. Saved my sanity. Scorp ascendant. x

Anonymous

Haha – eldest daughter did the same of ” Christian studies” teacher in high school – she’s scorp rising! – I applauded her – no scorp in me except midheaven & a packed 8th house (including pluto). So maybe it is a scorp trait!!

Veronica

One of my earliest memories was being in probably grade one at Convent school, and being told we must pray to the Virgin Mary to intercede for us with Jesus…I can clearly remember the thought “NO, I don’t think so” also I hated the picture of the devil tempting Jesus in the desert in my children’s bible, so I jumped on top of the bible a few times to trash it – (aries with scorp moon)

Laleolibra

The two Scorps I know work hard but brag a lot about how much money they will make. Ugh.
I’m dealing with a Scorp now who is driving me mental. I tell him to leave me alone and then I let him back in. He’s nice for a bit then it all starts again. A little bit of devilry and official evil for sure.
Advice anyone? Is it me? Is it my big old Leo ego clashing.

electric eel libran

don’t let him back in if he’s established a pattern of defiling your boundaries. it shows he has no respect for you.

Anonymous

I’m sooo sensitive but it’s obviously not worth it if I feel so annoyed. I said something fairly spiky and hopefully el scorpo will leave me alone.

Electric Eel Libran

The problem is Scorpios don’t listen to your words. They *feel* your intention even over long distance. (I’m a Scorp Moon which is why I know.)

Better to go burn pictures of him or stab pictures of him with forks. If no picture, stab their name. They’ll *feel* it. lol But if you could nail it perfectly, simply “forget” him. Replace his image in your head and heart with someone else.

Veronica

perfectly said about *feeling* your intention from a distance, EEL

I do the same with my scorpio moon and neptune, and tune into dreams about whatever I need to know, quite reliably

Laleolibra

Yep I’m totally over it and have forgotten after a shitty weekend. I’m too vulnerable to let someone like that in right now.

The female Scorp I had a huge falling out with is dating a horrible ex-Gem roommate. She used to make fun of my appearance and my vocation because she was going to make so much more money as a lawyer.

I need to meet a good Scorp – Once Bitten Twice Shy.

Anonymous

Classic Scorp behavior, Laleolibra. They’re like a cat playing with a mouse, they’ll let you wander off a bit, making you think you can escape and then, whap, their paw snatches your scampering tail and drags you back. Been through this scenario 100 times with uberscorp.

Laleolibra

So what does one do when the Scorp tries to drag you back? Initiate ignore protocol for the third, fourth time. My ex was a steady eddy Taurus and I was the big Cat. I feel like he will lurk back when I’m totally over it. I made contact this time and it was probably such a mistake. We hadn’t spoken since I told him to give me space. I sort of knew it wasn’t over…

Anonymous

Laleolibra, what does one do? What can one do? Resistance is futile, unless and until one is truly ready to stand up and repel an unberscorp’s magnetism. All I have learned is to study the control issues that operate in that mind and, through that knowledge, have played my own control games with him. Sometimes it’s impossible to tell who is controlling whom now.

Fi

Interesting chart. Moon conjunct retro Pluto in Aqua, opposed by Uranus in Leo. Jupiter at 3 degs Scorp conjunct Neptune at 28 degs Libra, both opposed by Saturn at 0 Toro. Then there is the fact that Saturn is inconjunct Mars on 29 Scorp – the Anarectic (Karmic) degree. No wonder he was afraid of Scorps. Afraid of his own hypocrisy, more like it. What is incredible is his wife Eliza, when informed by George (on his deathbed) of the mistress (her ex-maid, whom she hadn’t been fond of) and 11 kids up the road, popped over to make sure… Read more »

Anonymous

She’s a saint. Wonder if she was a virgo. I bet she was.

Fi

True: the virgo desire to keep up the facade of hubby’s propriety in the Victorian age would probably have been uber-strong, and a Virgo would have been less likely than a Scorp to discover the family up the road pre his deathbed confession.

serenity

i personally virgos who would hide a dead body for a scorpio.

Fi

and virgo would probably be the only sign a scorp would trust to hide it properly!

pegasus

Fi, a Sagg daughter with Scorpio mother, that’s me too and what a strange combo it was.She got me more than i understood her, financing many of my travels whilst her intuition and knowledge of peeps inner personas blew me away. We preferred to love each other from a distance 🙂
Did some crazy things (youthful folly) in which she was so loyal & forgiving and defended me unto HER death and that was quite self inflicted, the Scorp stinger at work.

pi

love that you would have had some kind of precocious grasp on vocab early in life thanks to your astro fiendism. i like the rip-off-the-bandaid thing about scorps, but i do have trouble grasping the secrecy. if dishonesty or partial truths are so grating then why conceal one’s own nature in what seems to be the same way? then again is it secrecy at all? not that we need to be tabloid about our lives, mind you. it could by my (erotomanic? vainglorous?) mars in 8th aqua but i live / love to rip apart people’s irrational prejudices and would… Read more »

pi

corollary: I also v much appreciate the ‘pre-verbal’ (or non-verbal, or something) nature of what scorpios deal with. undercurrents, driving forces, mystery, slippery things that ntl add an X factor to daily life, ‘power is capillary’ like that guy foucault? said. Like, their ecosystem is defined by being occult. maybe this is the zone in which the Scorp psyche lives. anyway who am I to prognosticate.
(sorry am reading academic stuff, long words filling my head)

aqua lion

no, I get it. you kind of need long words for that stuff. That’s why I like scorps too (when I like them), the deeper stuff you can’t get a handle on. so much going on in there. Have a cat with Scorp moon, dear darling feels things so strongly, I love her for that.

Scorpbot

no such secrecy when a Scorp has Saggo moon. 😯

I tend to blurt out stuff, then the Scorp part of me says “I can’t BELIEVE you said that!!” Grrr

… and my moon is in 11th house! 🙂

calypso

I have similar tension – Scorp Sun with Jupe conjunct Mercury…

Andromeda

I try to feel my lips formulate the words as they leave my mouth, the vibration of sound has an effect similar to the feeling they create in the listener. Bloody Scorp Moon & Gem As/SN. Mortified with self – stinging thyself – tres Scorpioness feature.

Anonymous

Try having a Scorp Moon/Jupiter/Neptune + Gem rising. I could totally duct tape my mouth most days…

Saturnalien

Oops, moi being anon again.

pegasus

My 8th house has Mars Pluto & Saturn there. That could explain my wanting to re-design death & dying (or is that my age…lol.)
Sex & Death that’s me, although it certainly doesn’t show up in my look-image or surrounds. Could account for my love of horror movies perhaps.
And my fondness for Scorpios altho’ don’t know any personally at the mo ‘cept here.
Wonder what sign Aubrey Beardsley was?

Fi

Leooooo. 28 degrees. Leo Sun and Jupiter square Pluto in Toro, and Leo Mars conjunct Uranus. Not a Scorp planet in sight – and I can’t actually think of a heavily scorpy person I know who genuinely likes horror movies, particularly! (Maybe this is because horror movies are supposed to help us come to terms with evil, like disaster movies supposedly help us deal with fears of other catastrophes, and Scorp sees evil everywhere anyway, so doesn’t seek relaxation watching it: enough already). Beardsley even had Merc/Venus in Virgo. Mind you, the two biggest horror fans I ever met were… Read more »

freedom ala air

I have Scorpio ascendant and heavily populated 8th… I can’t handle horror movies, crime shows, or anything in those genres…. I don’t mind art house stuff which is making a commentry… But yes you’re right fi, there is enough horror in our observations of life without entertaining any extra…

Lux Interior is My Co-Pilot

Yeah, all the Scorps I know have been quite clean-living, sorted people with intense passions. Woe betide you if you wrong them.

I know one lovely haute Scorp and dated a very low scorp.

The low scorp couldn’t stand strong women, and had the most vile and mysognistic sense of humor I ever encountered.

ms. vervain

Eeeeek; ‘you might as well own up to being officially evil relatively early in life and get on with your witchcraft, whoring, slander, scheming and generally gothic dark life.’
This is a scarily accurate description of how I’m perceived by many people in my community and also by some close family members.
I’m not a Scorpio Sun, but do have Mercury/Uranus in the 8th, and Venus in Scorpio…….. hmmmmm. Sun/Pluto conjunction in the 7th house, maybe that doesn’t help either?

pi

wow. how does your pluto-powered 7th house (libran) energy stack up around the 8th house and scorpio stuff?

ms. vervain

Well, the 7th house Sun/Pluto is in Virgo, however that figures in…… My lover/best friend/all around sparring partner is highly Scorpionic (Moon, Mars, Venus, Neptune, Asc. Lilith etc. in Scorpio) I also ended up married to a Scorpio Sun for many years, disastrous situation. I’m really curious about this seeming disconnect between perception and reality as pertains to my chart. From my point of view I’m pretty straight-up and clean living. Taking care of my three children, cooking and eating lots of clean healthy food, exercise, no drugs/alcohol/smoking, dedicated meditation practice, always cleaning house and decluttering…… certainly intense and unconventional.… Read more »

calypso

it’s not you, it’s them 😉

Miss Leo

I have a very good (very “haute”) Scorpio friend who seems a lot more like the newer description. She is incredibly thoughtful and passionate, very open about sex in a way that makes others feel comfortable with the topic. The older version of Scorpio seems more like a low-version, as revenge, anger, jealousy etc still run rampant in this sign. I used to HATE Scorpios for this reason, there were more than a few who felt that “no” shouldn’t be an answer to whatever it was that they wanted, or at best they were extremely selfish people. The aforementioned friend… Read more »

catfish moon

oh yes….see above.
2nd serious scorpio was horrid…selfish, temper tantrum throwing, vengeful. ugh.

1st scorpio was a good person, but we didn’t emotionally match up. Me too much, him not enough.

electric eel libran

i bet he got dumped by a scorpio chick! lol! i wonder if he has NN in scorpio.

catfish moon

HA!!
I have a NN in Scorpio.
I have had 3 serious relationships as an adult. Two were Scorpios. (There were a few as a teenager too. Including the first boy I said I love you too.)
The 2nd Scorpio ruined them for me.
Passionate, yes. Authentic….only in a narcissitic way.

Now I am not even close friends with any sun sign Scorpios, but one has scorpio rising. Torro lover has Scorpio moon.

Scorpbot

Ha!… 🙂
First guy I ever said I love you to was a Gemini. I have Gem NN. I’m attracted to Gem and Saggo guys like a moth to a flame but they’re not that crash hot in relationships.

electric eel libran

i was reading somewhere that people often dislike their north node particularly when they are younger or having a hard time getting their way. of course you can choose to integrate that energy. i hated cap energy growing up. saturn is in a shitty place for me and packed 10th house gives me no recourse but to accept now.

Scorpbot

I hated Cap energy (my Asc) right up until mid 30’s. I love it now 🙂

You’re a Sun 10th like me if I recall correctly? My Neptune’s conj sun.

catfish moon

I always love Scorpio energy. I could pick them out on the street.

Just cause I am over sun sign Scorpios for lovers doesn’t mean I am free of it now. …. Like I said, the Torro lover has scorpio moon, but I LOVE being with a Taurus. Never have been with one before.

aqaleoscorpmn

I hated virgo since my mom beat the s** out of me. come to find out I have 3 planets in virgo. Helps me to put some amazing research into find out whos telling lies and whos telling the truth.. Who is good and who is bayed.

Aquariuans already naturally into this one with a scorpmoon doubly so. No wonder i rarely fall for scams..

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