R.I.P. Margaret “Pluto” Thatcher

Filed in Libra, Moon in Leo

maggieO.M.G I look up from doing my Astro-Queries (some of you lead very interesting lives – i say this in awe, not to tut-tut) to see that Baroness Thatcher has passed on.

So okay she was Libra – we all know that and i once read a hilarious anecdote of how, a workaholic, she used to glide around the halls of power at (say) 2am, perfectly poised and coiffured, perfumed and terrifying as an army with banners to drunken m.ps staggering back to crash in their office.

That seems kind of Libra – the scent & the grooming, a hint of pass-agg in her perky “good morning.”

And the “iron fist in a velvet glove” epithet is TOTALLY Libra – don’t you think?

But Thatcher was actually fiercely Plutonic – She had Saturn in Scorpio Rising so Pluto was her ruler. Not only that, Pluto squared her Sun and Mars and it was opposite her Jupiter. She was famously not born to wealth or power but with Jupiter and Pluto in tight aspect, you damn well acquire it one way or another. Pluto was her Boss – not Venus.

I don’t usually like to like to look at d-dates but it’s worth noting that Baroness Thatcher was about to have her THIRD pass of Saturn across her Ascendant/Saturn Return. And a Pluto-Pluto Opposition. Sheesh.

Her Moon?ย  Leo…Betcha there are going to be some lovely details emerging about secret bouts of bonkers opulence behind her veil of stoicism and reforming zeal.

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Darrell
Darrell

And so here’s what the Sabian Symbols have to say about Margaret Thatcher’s Libra Sun, at 19-20 degrees, from Dane Rudhyar’s book ‘An Astrological Mandala’.. beginning at *19degLib.. A GANG OF ROBBERS IN HIDING.. Protest against disharmonic Social privilege.. One might think of Robin Hood & his band, or early Bolsheviks in Russia robbing banks to finance the revolution. The protest may be against an unbalanced Society with its rigid stratification into classes can be seen as a positive factor, even if it challenges the principle of order, for it reveals dynamic qualities in individuals & the will to transformation.… Read more »

Quintile
Quintile

Fab post @ whimsy et al, on US astrology – spot on and also the US attained a real peak with the pluto in cancer generation too – approx 1925 – 1940 I think. BTW Australia is Capricorn – 1/01/1901 the day Australia was created from the 6 colonies. Very apt I think – hardworking, conservative, pragmatic, but also status obsessed, materialistic etc – high cheekbones ? our landscapes against the wide sky? but I don’t want to bad mouth caps !!! Sydney is Aquarians – 26/01/1788 and I think that totally fits too – you can literally wear anything… Read more »

calypso scorp
calypso scorp

hi Quin, I liked the geo-astro stuff too, and thanks for adding to it so well!

Quintile
Quintile

Thanks – glad you saw it – am catching up on the blog and wanted to see where the Maggie T stuff had gone ๐Ÿ™‚

calypso scorp
calypso scorp

i particularly loved your interpretation of Sydney’s built & natural landscapes combining as the water bearer. The notion that the US reached some kind of zenith with the Pluto in Cancer generation is really interesting – but I’m not sure how to read it…do you mean the achievements of the people born during that period or the events of that period itself? Also, Aus as Cap….remembering an idea that Caps often have difficulty in childhood – am I right? Might resonate with a history of establishment through conflict and violence, invasion/genocide (with understanding that that damage is not isolated in… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

Agreed re Aust – all that angst saying “sorry” etc .
with the generational Pluto, I guess it plays out the current sign placement ( ie transiting pluto in cancer) as well as seeds the generation ( natal pluto in cancer who spawned the ‘ me generation ‘ ie pluto in Leo

Thoughts?

Quintile
Quintile

That was me ๐Ÿ™‚

calypso scorp
calypso scorp

I don’t know Quin, but when I think of 25-40 Stateside I veer from Gatsbyesque wealth and indulgence to Steinbeck’s Joad on the road. I guess the children of that generation were the mid-century Americans….that evokes for me postwar flannel suits and suburban dislocation, the space race – which I think of as a grand folly but what do I know – and the civil rights movement. So no analysis for you, just a set of pop culture references gleaned at historic and geographic distance. I wonder what sign you think the UK is??!! VERY different culture tot he US.… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

Nick Campion sets the UK birth chart for 25 Dec 1066, when William was crowned. Which gives England (at least) an Aries rising chart with A Cap Sun.

The US has a “Mommy Problem” with its Cancer Sun.
The Mommy is clearly England.

Or it could be read as a parent/child dynamic.

Either way, these two exist along the same astro axis, which is significant, given their common histories and mutual interests.

whimsy
whimsy

Me, Whimsy.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Yes, it’s interesting homw much of this has become about the cultural gap between the Americans and the English. Part of it must also be about how Americans treat their politicians as royalty, when the English already have a royal ramily, so are more likely to treat politicans with a strong degree of cynicismPart of it must also be about how Americans treat their politicians as royalty, when the English already have a royal ramily, so are more likely to treat politicans with a strong degree of cynicismPart of it must also be about how Americans treat their politicians as… Read more »

Seabird
Seabird

LOL – I thought Aus. was a Cap but all the places I looked said Sagg!! Fits better than my interpretation – and all the Caps I know tell it exactly as they see it. They don’t mean to hurt, they think that truth is beauty.

And it is.

Anonymous
Anonymous

I have no idea if this is true, but someone posted it in the comments section of Eric Francis’ site (Planet Waves): “A Brit friend of mine posted this on facebook a few days ago: During a private conversation in the spring of 2010 the Baroness Thatcher reportedly expressed feeling โ€œbottomless sorrowโ€ for her influence on global culture, and โ€œoverwhelming gratitudeโ€ at her acquaintance with LSD at the age of 84. She chose to take the drug as part of a private treatment programme for the management of dementia having developed an interest in it while campaigning for mental health… Read more »

whimsy
whimsy

Wow. What an earthquake that would cause if it were made well known. Of course she’d be dismissed by her own conservatives as a delusional drug user. And the whole thing treated as a hoax.

If this is true, perhaps she did not end as badly as we imagine.

andromeda
andromeda

That’s very well written. A part of me either feels it is possible it is true, or really wants it to be true.

It does go back to our discussion whimsy about great people losing their way under the intense force of power. Power corrupts! Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

As a fellow soul journeying home to Light I salute Margaret Thatcher. On a spiritual level at least, I believe all things can be forgiven.

Fi
Fi

lol, I can’t see MT using the words “centralised economic power” (since she was totally opposed to such in the first place), let alone “needy way” or “dependency thing”, I’m afraid. LSD can prompt insights as any of us who dabbled know, but I strongly suspect that whomever is reporting the conversation – if it occurred at all – is fibbing more than a wee bit to support their personal ideological position in relation to both economics, political ideology, and drug policy!

Yello
Yello

I cant believe that’s true. Sounds like something someone wished she HAD said.

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

I believe it!! I honestly believe it! It is the biggest fear that we should have that we don’t treat people with respect and love before we pass. It will catch up to you. I was thrown the floor in 2009 realizing that. I honestly was on my hands and knees asking for Gods help and people.. He gave it to me. So, I think what I am trying to say is that any leader is NOT God (or whoever your spiritual leader is). If they think they are.. it will catch to them. In my position spiritually God has… Read more »

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Oh crap.. let me state “I want to believe it”.. I didn’t live there so I don’t know. I would like to hope that people get shown the way if you know what I mean! xo!!

Anonymous
Anonymous

Yah, I’m the one that found it. I’d like it to be true too, but it all seems a little too made up. But like Andromeda I also think that all things are ultimately forgiven. Everything is really in divine order, and some of us simply enjoy the drama of it all.
We are all divine light no matter what role we played.

doubleliblottascorp
doubleliblottascorp

If only someone had given it to her round about 1984….

calypso scorp
calypso scorp

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Anonymous
Anonymous

Lol ๐Ÿ˜€

Fire and Ice
Fire and Ice

It has been many years since I have commented on this blog. I think about 5 years, if I remember correctly. However, as the partner of Min the merciless, let me say, that I often retreat in the face of battle. Too many past lifetimes as a soldier, I think. Thank God for her throwing of pots and pans. Something, that I need to learn again.

Anonymous
Anonymous

๐Ÿ™‚ Thank you for stepping in. Min is great, and you seem to be lovely yourself.

Come and comment more. I do remember your handle from waaay back. ๐Ÿ™‚

emmaru
emmaru

In order for that massive transformation to take place in Britain it needed a person with a big PLUTO . With this zap zone coming up (?) will we have a big PLUTO PERSON emerge to be the do’er ? Somehow it looks as if it is all going to be squeezed into a small time frame.
Any suggestions on the possible pluto/uranus/saturn peeps ?

Min the Merciless
Min the Merciless

Johnny Rotten?

doubleliblottascorp
doubleliblottascorp

Funny…….or Eddie Izzard who wants to stand for Mayor of London.

Anonymous
Anonymous

MENTAL

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Out of respect for Mystic this is my final post regarding this political arena. I apologize to ANYONE who thought I was “taking over Mystic’s blog”. Sun in Virgo, Libra Rising, Moon in Leo I am.. so I would like to say I am OVERLY protective of people who are my family, close friends and any business who I have found to provide me with the best service (Mystic is one of them). It is my nature to speak out about unfairness to others.. I do it everywhere. I don’t care what people think of me..people who have provided me… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

Thank Ellie! And I know I should leave this alone, but it was interesting to read the customer bit. I guess that the thing is that there are few people on here who would regard themselves as customers. To think of a bunch of people, or oneself as a customer is to take things into quite a different arena, and the desire to resolve conflict is in line with Whimsey’s observation about how Americans avoid debate and try to smooth things over. – which I found very interesting by the way – thanks!

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Hello Anon.. I don’t want to take your comment towards me incorrectly so I am just going to add a little bit more. In regard to running my own business (I don’t run one now.. I was hoping to and was trained by great mentors) I would not sweep things under the rug. I would be pretty direct with someone (customer) who is #1 putting down my business publiclly and #2 putting down members of my staff and how they perform under my company name publically. I would make sure that a discussion was had to try and clear the… Read more »

Min the Merciless
Min the Merciless

Come on, Virgo Ellie. Don’t go. Stay and argue your point, and see that we can all have different points of view but (hopefully) respect others. You don’t have to be nice to people all the time, you just have to be you. You don’t have to agree with people, just state your point and listen to theirs. In this way, with a bit of luck and a following wind, we can all add to the collective knowledge of human nature. I really like the way you defend your friends and family. I do. (Cancer ASc, Cancer Sun, Moon/Mars in… Read more »

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Thanks for your support Min.. I also had to comment on the Bible verse “A slave shall obey his master”.. Thank you for that because I was in the martial arts for 10 years that change my fuq’n life. Til this day I respect those I consider Masters. God (#1) but there are others in my lifetime who I respect. So, just saying, that I sometimes consider myself a slave to the experiences that I consider God Blessed and bringing me to a new level of understanding!!

xo!!

Seabird
Seabird

I really respect you for still being here, and I a one of the people who bristles at your comments. But what I sense is a person who wans to know more about the world around them, and who is trying to engage with that world by putting forward their views, unaware of how others see them. I think you are really brave, and I wanted to amend my comments above to point out that it is your comments and not yourself I have an issue with. This is a great blog and there are a lot of amazing people… Read more »

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Love that Seabird “but don’t try to censor the thoughts or the methods of others”.. the Virgo in me wants everyone to be like me.. a pain in the arse.. LOL!! xo!!

Fi
Fi

lol, Ellie. That is a very loveble thing to say: wry, honest, humble and self-accepting (something that Aussies really warm to and respect) It also resonates so much with me, as I have a big wallop in Virgo in my chart. I don’t like really nasty posts either, and try not to do that, but I can get uber critical when someone tweaks MY Virgo bug-bear issues: lack of evidence and reasoning given in support of strong beliefs or opinions. I just KNOW that I am often a boring pendantic long-winded pain in the ass on that score, lol. But… Read more »

calypso scorp
calypso scorp

Thanks Min, Seabird & Fi for leading the reconciliation so well. I have Pluto in Virgo, so that might explain my frustration with unsupported comments but Ellie the main point I wanted to make to you was ore about your deflection of critical comments with shallow counter-accusations. Sometimes when people criticise us it is about us. They highlight something that we need to take on/change, or that it would be helpful for us to take on. To see it as an opportunity to grow is the most productive thing. Of course each instance needs to be assessed in it’s own… Read more »

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Hi CC.. Understood.. of course I evaluated my response to some but honestly when it gets to using my personal “stuff” posted here as a reason to degrade someone I find that wrong. I have never tried to put anyone down using personal information from a post to get them to shut up. I started to shut up when I realized some people were providing similar posts about MT and they weren’t personally degrading others. That is where I find respect. They stay focused with the topic and provide enough “facts” to support their opinions. That is why I think… Read more »

Min the Merciless
Min the Merciless

But actually I just wanted to comment on Mrs Thatcher.

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Hey Min.. I don’t know if you have post degrading comments to someone here but IMO.. I think Mystic enjoys when we interact between us all with friendly comments, details and/or facts. But when it comes to individuals trying to degrade a commenter personally to try and make them feel bad about themselves (even using posts from previous blogs on personal issues) that is when this site gets ugly. Keep it clean people. Stop the personal degrading, condescending comments to those who would like to comment on the opposite side of the spectrum with their opinions, comments, details and/or facts.… Read more »

prowlncrab
prowlncrab

Virgo Ellie, amongst many other things, you clearly don’t seems to have a grasp of what debating actually is. So in order to be helpful here is an excerpt from Wiki: “A debate, simply put, is like a game, where two or more speakers present their arguments intent on persuading each other. It is also, a contest, but rather an exciting one when both parties try to oppose the other party’s conclusion.” I read some of the claims of being personally denegrated on this post, but all I saw where legitimate challanges to other people’s ideas – which some people… Read more »

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Ok. That does make sense to me. I will leave it alone now though!

whimsy
whimsy

I don’t see anything wrong with Min’s comments, Elle. I think you’ve misread her tone.

Mystic’s invited us to extend this topic of Thatcher’s legacy to include, ha, basically ALL OF WESTERN HISTORY. Particularly the themes of domination vis a vis religion and (later) corporatism.

Thatcher and her policies didn’t just spring fully formed from the head of ’70’s Britain. Her legacy is a logical conclusion to two thousand years of distorted thought about the value and purpose of humans.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Elle, I also encourage you to check out videos of British and Aussie debate, particularly Parliamentary debate. ๐Ÿ˜‰ In debate, we Americans are too concerned with pleasant and polite facades, at the expense of substantive and vigorous discussion. This way we can always accuse our opposition of meanness and unfairness if they ever approach us with a blunt, hard question. It’s an outgrowth of a pallid church culture that demands “niceness” as proof of sanctification. Why do we ever have to preface a sincere statement with “I don’t mean to be rude, but…”? More importantly, Americans are afraid of debate… Read more »

whimsy
whimsy

‘Twas me, whimsy

Anonymous
Anonymous

I don’t mean to be rude but you are remarkably self-aware for an american…

jokes – we still do them round here… yes?

whimsy
whimsy

Yes. ๐Ÿ™‚ Yes for jokes.

And, thanks. I try.

calypso scorp
calypso scorp

good one Whimsy ๐Ÿ™‚

Seabird
Seabird

Exhibit One – A Self-Aware American. I find them on this blog. Thankyou Whimsy, and I love the astrological take. America as a Kataka! Australia is a Sagg – I think we really have in the past allowed a lot of different people to air their ideas without fear of reprisal. But the current political climate is very un-Saggitarian, and maybe that’s why we feel collectively like the party’s over thisaway. Serious debate is, or was, part of our political scene. I wish it was part of America’s as well. It would make a world of difference to…the world, if… Read more »

The Crazy Crone
The Crazy Crone

Whimsy – you raise some really interesting points about Americans’ response to vigorous debate and it explains reactions which have always puzzled me. Whenever I’ve been critical of US government policies (of whatever political persuasion), so many responses have been emotional rather than logical So thanks for your insights into the American psyche, very, very useful and informative.

Fi
Fi

Awesome, whimsy! So true, and fits with other non-astrologically informed analyses of why so many US people champion conservative polticians when in fact the policies such politicans are offering would hurt their said voters interests. (Free markets, for a start, which have seen US jobs for so many states decline to nothing – and if the US wasn’t totally hypocritical about free markets, subsidising its agricultural producers, while wanting others countries not to do the same, so many more in grain belt states would be hurting). In part, I think the problem is that the US got independence fighting a… Read more »

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Sorry Whimsy..I didn’t think so either. My comment honestly was based on the comment above. Didn’t think it appropriate to post my response there since there was more helpful details. So I posted here. I don’t see anything wrong with this one.

whimsy
whimsy

Cool.

Min the Merciless
Min the Merciless

Mmm. Thanks whimsey – I like your last paragraph.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Virgo Ellie, nobody is interested in your opinions or perspective from the US. We’ve heard it. Okaaay! And since when have you become the spokesperson for Mystic?A lot of us have been here for over a decade and wouldn’t dream of being so arrogant. You turn up yesterday and act like you’re running the joint. Just shut up already!

Min the Merciless
Min the Merciless

Hi Virgo Ellie, It is perfectly possible to disagree with somebody else’s thoughts without putting them down. In fact, it is a sign that someone has engaged with you and is thinking that you are interesting enough to comment upon! I haven’t disparaged anyone. I notice that you have given me a kiss at the end of your comment – thank you. You are, as has been said before, a bit of a sweetie. But you don’t have to give me a kiss if you disagree with me. I’ll respect your viewpoint anyway, whether you agree with me or not.… Read more »

Min the Merciless
Min the Merciless

Did you want us to stop talking about Margaret Thatcher, Mystic? It’s difficult to guage tone with email. If you would like us to stop talking about her, just ask. Otherwise I will presume that you are doing a Mata Hari and talking in code. However. On the subject of the weird religious names of slave ships: this opens a can of worms. Topics: – How religion has been used to validate slavery, racism, patriarchy, sexism. vs – How religion has helped many people – point of discussion. – Capitalism and Slavery – Capitalism, Feudalism and slavery – Class, Trade… Read more »

prowlncrab
prowlncrab

“How religion has been used to validate slavery, racism, patriarchy, sexism vs how religion has helped many people โ€“ point of discussion.” Well … since you asked … It depends upon which religion you are talking about. Most indigenous religions act as a means of explaining a. why people are here b. carries, disseminates and protects the moral underpinnings of a particular culture in order to produce social cohesion. If you are talking about Western Christianity, originally Europe was filled with multiple indigenous cults and regional belief systems that were eventually consumed by successive occupations particularly the Roman Empire which… Read more »

pi
pi

I believe the Thirty Years’ War and certain treaties (Treaty of Westphalia and others) ~mid-1500s also brought about strong limits to the powers of the Church across Europe, which were at the time (as you mentioned) vast and untrammelled.

Anonymous
Anonymous

re the church in that era it is my understanding that the nobility were clamping down on the churches – I’m referring to specifically to France – because they were exploiting the fact they were exempt from taxes and were able to charge their congregations to run businesses on the grounds of church lands. The cathedrals were extending the length of the traditional seasonal fairs and festivities when people would gather and were allowing the purveyors of beer and other alcohol and various wares made by the members of the guilds to set up shop all year round. Anything that… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

like malls

Min the Merciless
Min the Merciless

Wow, thanks Prowlin’. and Ha ! to Whimsey! You’ve really got me thinking.. Prowlin- thanks. I’ve got a few questions and comments – Do you think that there were only patriarchal religions around 2000 years’ ago? If not (and I think not), why haven’t we heard more about the matrifocal indigenous religions of, say, the Navajo or Celts, or the indigenous Goddesses of the area i.e. Israel. Why are the old testament and new testament so completely different in their understanding of god? I know that the Nicene gathering looked at Marcius’ (?spelling) proposition that there were actually two gods,… Read more »

whimsy
whimsy

This is a brilliant list, Min. We could discuss until someone shuts down the internet. ๐Ÿ˜‰

Prowlin’s lead the charge, I see.

Min the Merciless
Min the Merciless

Ah Whimsy! Yes, let’s shut down the internet. Prowlin is doing a good job. Slavery and the Bible is a hornet’s net of interest.

hiddendragonqueen
hiddendragonqueen

what an amazing post. thank you to all you badass impassioned warrior peeps- gawd i love y’all!!

Anonymous
Anonymous

I find Maggie’s retro lilith in detriment in cancer in the 8th interesting. And the jupiter in capricorn in the 2nd house. Interesting chart. I wonder what myers brigg she was.

Anonymous
Anonymous

also astro theme says she was a master number numerologically – 22. Considering her achievements objectively, she was working her own flavour of awesome to the nth degree. Not my kind of awesome, but awesome nonetheless.

The Crazy Crone
The Crazy Crone

Really, why would anyone not expect things to go ballistic when Pluto is involved? I well remember similar eruptions in another long-lasting post when I was still living in Australia about Pluto which I’m not going to name as I went into major trolling mode on that one. But you do have to say, putting things into perspective, that Pluto can certainly fire us all up. Dear old Pluto :p

Mister Miu
Mister Miu

Just 3 points: 1. Following from the social consequences left in the legacy of Baroness Thatcher, it is interesting to note that in her later years, she was in the throes of Alzheimer’s. From a mystical/energetic point of view – people who develop Alzheimer’s are served this path, because their spirit needs to have insight into the dissociative suffering/disorder of the collective consciousness. For among the central features of Alzheimer’s are the strangeness of its thought patterns and the sudden changeability of the individuals focus. Alzheimer’s serves the purpose of dismantling the rational element of functioning in order that the… Read more »

Mister Miu
Mister Miu

yes, that is all folks! Adieu.

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

LOL!! Perfect! Thanks for that.. seriously! I do believe what you say for the last point! xo!!

Fi
Fi

M. Miu, I think the Alzheimers connection is fascinating. Re the innocence bit, though, there is possibly a twin, and equally valid explanation. If we are not just puppets of the universe, and have any subconscious choice in our paths – be it a choice driven by a mind in touch with its higher self, or not – it could also in part represent not just the universe (in league with our subconcious selves) making us face the non-rational and our own vulnerability, but also an unconscious retreat from memories and the new insight (and fear of having been wrong)… Read more »

Seabird
Seabird

That’s interesting, because Reagan suffered from Alzheimer’s acutely as well. Apparently he spent his last days taking leaves out of his swimming pool, and Nancy told the Gardner to keep throwing them in there so that he felt he had something meaningful to do. I don’t believe in hell per se because I believe we pay for our actions in this life, either by causing pain and suffering to ourselves or to others, or in the legacy we leave our children and families. We are already judged by our actions, heaven and hell are just constructs for people who wish… Read more »

Mister Miu
Mister Miu

Seabird: This is great – it illustrates the point beautifully. Also, you are correct in drawing parallels with Mr. Reagan – after all, as you can see from this site, many people have memories of his legacy and his alliance with Baroness Thatcher. It could also be said that these political leaders are, oftentimes, puppet faces for other machinations that are at work. The personal wrangling within their own government administrations would take a toll on individuals who appear to be robust on the outside, but in truth are empty inside. (see above). Hence, the development of Alzheimerโ€™s etc. The… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

Indeed. I’ve been thinking about the possible karmic connections between MT and QE1.

From a credible source, I’ve recently been told that John Dee created a spiritual creature, an aggregor, to protect QE1. On the physical plane, this creature manifested as the first join-stock company, the first corporation — The East India Co. Dee knew his work (any magic does) might have unintended negative consequences. It did.

A
A

Please elucidate on your thoughts on these connections?! I am not quite getting it, thank you. Fascinating. Is it quite common that people with great brains end up with alzheimers? It seems a natural balance, as you suggest, that the spirit needs to emerge after the brain has caged it’s needs. It doesn’t have to happen in this lifetime but it can? I guess there is personal quality to have these things are balanced karmically and perhaps the chakras can also get unbalanced, clogged in unused areas. From a little personal & general observation I see often great people are… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

Hmmm, interesting A, I very much agree with you. I wonder if it also has something to do with the more powerful people become in terms of worldly power, the more the Egoic Body literally takes over the mind. And this of course results in an interest in power for its own sake and a need to constantly judge others. ie. I’m better than / less than; I will exert my power over you / or give my power away to you. And the spirit is separate to the ego, and separate to the mind. So there is nothing else… Read more »

Andromeda
Andromeda

The question becomes when there are so many interested spirits at work, who is ruling the roost. What happens when the mental abilities evaporate? Often people with mental illness are vehicles for disembodied energies, their higher self unable to activate their egoic mind which is quivering in a tiny corner of their aura.

Andromeda
Andromeda

Pardon my ignorance but MT and QE1 to John Dee means? And RE the aggregor protecting QE1 manifesting as the East India Co. – what was Dee’s original intention versus the unintended negative activity? Thank you! I have more questions about aggregors and organisations. Remember I think here that someone mentioned the British began concentration camps in SA, plus the concentration camps of the Nazi’s did the bulk of their killings on days of occult ritual sacrifice. So I think the energy created by these sacrifices invite down certain energy frequencies that interact with the power mongerers. The aggregor being… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

I’m just swirling this idea around in my head. Don’t have a specific theory yet regarding Thatcher and Queen Elizabeth I — apart from the obviousness of their gender and the challenge of leading a nation as women. If you’re looking for more re Dee’s project, try this book: Liber 118 U.S. 394: The Battle Of Oakland. I have not read it but will soon. It’s a fictionalization (cough cough) of the current news. (The author is interesting. Much more than his public bio.) You might investigate “Corporate Metabolism” too. If I remember correctly from my own writing (ha!), the… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

๐Ÿ™‚ from whimsy

Anonymous
Anonymous

Oh. Dee’s intention was to protect the reign of Elizabeth, and by extension, bar Roman Catholic interference with England. Because of this, I suspect he felt he was doing The Right Thing against the ungodly papists. ๐Ÿ˜‰

He created something, the only thing he could imagine I suppose, capable of rivaling the power, wealth and influence of Rome.

The unintended consequences of unchecked corporate-style capitalism is self evident today. The US has given personhood status to the corporate body, which is a funny way of unmasking the truth. Ha! Just realised that…

whimsy
whimsy

You may also be interested in the current exhibition in Texas by Jesse Bransford. I know someoneworking with this MOST interesting piece.

Enjoy!

whimsy
whimsy

The pieceyou want to see right now is called “TheFourth Pyramid”

Anonymous
Anonymous

That’s great!
Thank you Whimsy, good work here!!
Love the connection you make in the last sentence.. ๐Ÿ˜‰

Mister Miu
Mister Miu

The East India Co. (British) was one of the more notable elite controlled trading companies. People connected to the Br. East India Co. were responsible for the creation of the Fabian Society. These trading companies tie in with the occult worldโ€™s leadership and the formation of drug cartels during the age of discovery. In 1815 they began to operate an opium smuggling operation. The British elite got involved in shipping opium. The elite families got monopolies on the opium trade. The British empireโ€™s military might and political clout was used to force China to allow the opium trade. When occult… Read more »

whimsy
whimsy

Thank you. I’m glad you returned and expanded on this story. I am fascinated (but not surprised) at the underlying energetic structures that are being exposed in this era.

And I take your encouragement to heart. These is not hopeful yearnings for frothy New Age Nirvana, but a serious statement about a future we are creating now.

Anonymous
Anonymous

I like your easily digestible take on quantum theory.

Andromeda
Andromeda

Thank Mr.M, that is really interesting. I am taking it all in!

gemyogi
gemyogi

Thanks Seabird. That is lovely and so true.

Scorpcat
Scorpcat

Thanks Min, I will, I’m on here to learn

Min the Merciless
Min the Merciless

Scorp – she polarised people, she’s doing it still. Scorpio rising so Pluto/Mars was the chart ruler. Saturn in Scorpio in the first house. Pluto square sun&mars and opposite Jupiter. Have a look at the Oxford Astrologer’s recent post for her. You can look up all of these aspects and planets in signs by googling. Oxford Astrologer says it as if a long hard winter has finally broken, and now the rain has come.. make of that what you will. A lot of people in the UK feel that Mrs Thatcher ruined their families, community and ultimately the country (including… Read more »

Min the Merciless
Min the Merciless

Sorry – speaking for myself, not others here.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Thanks ๐Ÿ™‚

Scorpcat
Scorpcat

Sorry that was me, thank you

GemCrab
GemCrab

I loved the Oxford Astrologer’s post. It, as well as Mystic’s take, was very insightful.

Scorpcat
Scorpcat

And here we go again with the personal attacks, I thought Mystics site was above this

prowlncrab
prowlncrab

Oh well for god sakes what is wrong with you? Nobody is forcing you to read anything – there are plenty of other less impassioned threads on the go that you can read instead of this one.

I personally find it really offensive that people like you waft into the middle of a conversation that others obviously feel quite strongly about and then try to muzzle the discussion with your passive aggressive whinging because it’s all about your and your stifling sensitivities.

Scorpcat
Scorpcat

And I am just as entitled to my opinion. And as for muzzling? It’s past 200 posts, I’m just saying what I think, back off!

Anonymous
Anonymous

I totally agree prowlncrab. This site posts something interesting and topical about a woman who was incredibly divisive (as in supported Pinochet, was pro apartheid and anti Mandela, was pro Pol Pot and supported him in the UN for decades, and on and on and on) all the flakes waft on about not wanting to read negative comments and how terrible people’s comments are. Wake up!!! We can’t all walk through life only concerned about whether some new guy’s astro is compatible with yours. Unbelievable. I don’t even really see any so-called ‘personal attacks’. Just an irritation that some people… Read more »

Scorpcat
Scorpcat

You know nothing about me, how dare you make those assumptions

andromeda
andromeda

Scorpcat, you are just as valuable here as anyone else. It’s just that we can’t all be the same or feel the same. A lot of us feel very strongly about this topic for lots of different reasons.
Let others talk about their feelings re this person bad or good – and WHY! You don’t have to engage if it disturbs you, but if you are interested in debate I bet there are people here online willing to talk about the pro’s and con’s with interest.

curiouser and curiouser crab
curiouser and curiouser crab

hear, hear prowlin. well said.

Scorpcat
Scorpcat

Yes well said, you just lost Mystic a subscriber.

doubleliblottascorp
doubleliblottascorp

Just being very Libran for a moment and changing the subject, but does MT have a heavily congested via combusta?

prowlncrab
prowlncrab

oh grow the fuck up.

doubleliblottascorp
doubleliblottascorp

I actually mean’t that as a serious question….

Anonymous
Anonymous

she’s not talking to you she’s talking to the person the line on the left hand side links to – it is a broken line because she commented after you and was responding to the same person you attached your comment to. And yes, sun mercury and saturn are between 15ยฐ Libra and Scorpio. I was also interested in the placement of lilith in detriment in cancer in the 8th which is ruled by mars and pluto, while scorpio is her ascendant with saturn there – so it’s quite a toxic and hard-line manifesting of the energy to do with… Read more »

doubleliblottascorp
doubleliblottascorp

Brilliant…..thanks for that interpretation. I’m an astro novice but
am genuinely interested in what produced such a steely unyielding character who ENJOYED being hated.

prowlncrab
prowlncrab

yes was not directed at you, but sniffy pants above you ๐Ÿ˜‰

doubleliblottascorp
doubleliblottascorp

Thanks PinC….always like your comments…shootingfrom the hip.

Anonymous
Anonymous

re the enjoying being hated, your comment made me think – her ascendant is in the middle of the fiery road – sometimes I find it’s the lateral or quirky aspects of a person who has a distinct natal chart that give the depth necessary to interpret the nuances of of their way of expressing the chart. Your pointing out via combusta being an intrinsic part of Thatcher’s persona seems particularly poignant. So thumbs up to the novice.

doubleliblottascorp
doubleliblottascorp

Apologies…didn’t get the linking system , thanks for explaining.

The Crazy Crone
The Crazy Crone

I don’t know about anyone else, but I do enjoy your ascerbic comments, prowlncrab, they have me howling with laughter sometimes.

Tropic of Scorp
Tropic of Scorp

you’re not the only one. ๐Ÿ™‚

Min the Merciless
Min the Merciless

Scorpcat – have another look at Margaret Thatcher’s chart. Then look at the descriptions and feelings of how the people directly living under her influence experienced it. It’s visceral, and emotional, but, if you want to live up to your Scorpy name and nature, dig and you’ll learn about astrology and how it affects living, breathing human beings and nations. This woman wasn’t a simple Libran, nor a Libra Sun/Leo Moon, nor a 12th house sun. It’s all there if you want to find it, described by Mystic if you want to look up the ruling planets and squares –… Read more »

prowlncrab
prowlncrab

Mystic, you know I love you but the retarded comments on this blog are depressing. I subscribe to read interesting commentary about the world I live in and how it relates to astrology – not whiney complaining like this.

Oh and whilst I’m at it let’s get rid of all the posts that I don’t like because hey this is MY personal reading space and everything should be geared around my interests and what I consider acceptable.

andromeda
andromeda

Totes

Seabird
Seabird

Some of us really love a good political dissection and we are overjoyed to be having one here. You could come back another day if you are unhappy, and we can go back to discussing the dick size of various star signs (which I enjoy as well)

Anonymous
Anonymous

I don’t think you get it.. prowln is being sarcastic?

Anonymous
Anonymous

No, I do get it, I know Prowln well enough to know exacrly what she means. (plus shes a fairly plain speaker!) that should’ve been directed to the original poster, whom Prowln was quoting. My reply should belong to the thread above.

Scorpcat
Scorpcat

Mystic, you know I love you but the hateful comments on this blog are depressing. I subscribe to learn about astrology not to read this.

pegasus
pegasus

VIRGO ELLIE, you are a true sweetie, really, & i’m sorry for being facetious which is an evil trait of mine. I am from the original Mousers era & Annette was not my fave but did give me my love of rodents which i have to this day ๐Ÿ™‚ Many of my friends from the 70’s were contentious objectors to the Vietnam War, some had to hide from conscription. That war also resulted in heroin being introduced to mainstream population, devastating, so no, the statement t-shirt is loooong gone. Politics is not my area of interest, but realise due to… Read more »

gemyogi
gemyogi

Can we agree to disagree without insulting each other?

whimsy
whimsy

Note the astro. It’s not just fancy cocktail conversation. It’s serious business.

So I have my doubts about abundant civility. But it could happen.

Maybe.

Min the Merciless
Min the Merciless

Yup, Thatcher continues to polarise even after death. I don’t agree we are insulting each other either. Disagreeing with another person’s opinion is not insulting (although it might feel like it).

Seabird
Seabird

I’m not insulting anyone. But I also won’t hold my tongue with people whom I think are so uninformed that is practically amounts to stupidity. I can argue with a good argument. Stupidity I simply will call out.

Kate
Kate

โ€œMEN ARE DISTURBED NOT BY THINGS THAT HAPPEN
BUT BY THEIR OPINION OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENโ€
Epictetus

Archie Dunlop
Archie Dunlop

On the face off it, Leo isn’t a great sign for the Moon to be in – receptions aside, the Moon has no dignity here. However what makes the difference is firstly that it’s close to the MC and secondly that it’s conjunct Regulus, the Royal Star. So in many respects it was Regulus that pushed her to the heights. One should also remember that Winston Churchill had the Moon on Regulus. At the same time the Saturn rising was helpful – it gave her the toughness and inflexibility to be successful. As for her death, I hated her when… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

Hmmm that’s interesting, my moon is conjunct regulus as well. I live in obscurity though!

aqua lion
aqua lion

She still gets praise for the Falklands War where Argentina “invaded” the islands. What is not mentioned is that shortly before that happened, Britain expanded the territorial waters of the islands to (don’t remember, this is off shonky memory here) but many hundreds of kilometres – ie. much bigger than the land area of the islands themselves. Thus gaining Britain a very large fishing area and I believe also the potential for mining some oil. now if that ain’t expansionism, I don’t know what is. Argentina eventually reacted with the Falklands invasion. But have any of you ever heard the… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

Anonymous and Virgo Ellie – those commenting here adversely on Thatcher aren’t “an embarrassment to Mystic”, they are being absolutely honest and good on them. I find the idea that one should suddenly sanctify someone who’s dead complete hypocrisy when in their life they committed evil, wicked acts which Thatcher did – destroying communities, lives, families, and all for greed and her own ambition. Nor can I say anything good about someone who started a war to boost her poll ratings and ordered the sinking of the Belgrano with the loss of hundreds of young lives when the battleship in… Read more »

The Crazy Crone
The Crazy Crone

Oops, forgot to post name, The Crazy Crone, formerly Aphrodite Rising. I don’t post anonymously, quite happy to associate my name with the above post about Thatcher and to say I did a happy dance when I heard of her death. Next stop Dick Cheney.

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

I agree with you Crazy Crone.. honestly I see your point on your first comment. What I disagree with are the direct attacks towards someonewho is compassionate about others and how they feel about their life and use astrology to understand it better and post an opinion. Then they try and belittle that person because of their opinion. There are people here that will attack you to try and make you feel bad (a.k.a. bullying) which is a sign of insecurity. It could be a bad life situation and I understand that but not here at the expense of Mystic.… Read more »

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

PS: I think O-Blame-Us is the worst US president ever but I would never wish him dead… just get out of that seat. He is ruining lives like I am learning about Thatcher.

whimsy
whimsy

What’s your evidence for that, VE? Really?

Are you talking about the lives ruined by the banking and mortgage crises? Surely not.

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Nope.. my evidence is everyone living in hospitals. ๐Ÿ™

Aquarium
Aquarium

who’s making and supporting the sugary,toxic muck found in supermarkets thats putting them there Ellie?

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

The government..

Corporations without concience are a crime against humanity in the main Ellie. Conservative governments only really exist nowdays to protect them. Cute paternal jocular Presidents are a sick Plutonic dream from last century
Corporations without concience are a crime against humanity in the main Ellie. Conservative governments only really exist nowdays to protect them. Cute paternal jocular Presidents are a sick Plutonic dream from last century

Corporations without concience are a crime against humanity in the main Ellie. Conservative governments only really exist nowdays to protect them.
Things are’a changing rather quickly these days tho,.. thank the lordy ๐Ÿ™‚

aquarium
aquarium

Oh gawd…that was me…
edit button??

whimsy
whimsy

Actually, I think you’ve got it backwards: governments exist at the pleasure of corporations. Even “liberal” governments are enthralled, sadly.

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

You are correct and so is Whimsy.. I work closely with FDA and the government needs corporations to keep the economy going. So if the product doesn’t have evidence of hurting people but it is selling the government wants it.

whimsy
whimsy

Who is “everyone”?
Who lives in hospitals?

Commenters with strong opinions about Thatcher have offered up specific policy and known history to support their feelings about her.

Can you point to specific instances and policy for your position? You’re offering generalizations and vague images. I’m sure anyone outside the US would be happy to know details, if you’ve got something substantial.

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

There are no reports or statistics .. the government will not allow it. If you pay attention everyone is being diagnosed with a supposed disease without concrete evidence. So people are panicking and take the treatment therapies and most of them are dying. I have been involved with doctor’s for over 35 years because of my own life threatening disease. Since 2009 I have been afraid of doctor’s. After my uncle died from chemo I noticed 2 things (1) doctor’s don’t know if you have the condition and (2) they don’t know if you will survive after their recommendations.. they… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

I’m sorry you have to work closely with the FDA, an organization which, on the whole has become an agent for pharmacutical interests.

Anonymous
Anonymous

That was me, whimsy.

Anonymous
Anonymous

You won’t hear disagreement from me about the state of conventional medicine and the over-prescribing of drugs. I think this can be an area of mutual agreement between some liberal and conservative thinkers. So I’m more than aware of these problems. And I’m sure that you’ve drawn the conclusion that UniversalHealth Care = more Bad Medicine. But that’s not the point I was trying to make. The concrete examples I wanted were specific policies of the Obama Administration have implemented. Or legislation passed by Congress. People here have written about the Poll Tax and the Falkland Islands and Pinochet as… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

“Did your idols create your monster?” THANK YOU whoever you are

Andromeda
Andromeda

Genius!!

The Crazy Crone
The Crazy Crone

Virgo Ellie – I’m not commenting on other people and I don’t like the way some people have been attacked in this blog. And no, I’m not wishing death for Dick Cheney, don’t have to, at some point he’ll pop his clogs. But I’m not going to be hypocritical and say nothing, I will say the same as I said about Thatcher: good riddance to very bad rubbish. He was responsible for the deaths of thousands of Iraqis and hundreds of US soldiers for an illegal war to grab Iraq’s oil and all to boost the profits of the corporation… Read more »

andromeda
andromeda

Halliburton danced on the dead, it’s a tradition with these people. Yes dance!.
Well said Lady Crone.

whimsy
whimsy

‘Twas me up there, whimsy.

Min the Merciless
Min the Merciless

Thank you, Crazy Crone. I was going to write something similar but saw you had already written it.

Min the Merciless
Min the Merciless

Thank you, Crazy Crone.

The Green Witch
The Green Witch

Just have to add what an Icelandic girlfriend said when she visited me during the Thatcher years.
“She is a bad mother”
My friend was referring both to her as a mother of a nation and – I think – her overt preference for her son over her daughter.
So many of the ills we have in the UK were down to the ideology of greed fostered by Margaret Thatcher.

gemyogi
gemyogi

Interesting. I’ve seen her called a bossy nanny who spanked people before.

nonametoomuchair
nonametoomuchair

How relevant re julia gillard misogyny, it still goes on regardless of the ceilings women break, like theres always another ceiling that cannot be broken.
I am surprised by some of the venom some people still express like they are stuck, blaming someone else, how long ago was it? god move on.

Anonymous
Anonymous

The PM is there because they are willing to tow the line of the big miners/pharma/blah blah war mongerers.
Female/Male or Black/White it makes no difference.
All these female PM’s and Black prezziedents are an allowed distraction from the real issues.

The Leo Socialite
The Leo Socialite

yes chrysalis – the same thing happened in germany with the rise of facism, terrifying times but the art of the weimar republic exploded, this exhibition on it was fab http://www.artgallery.nsw.gov.au/exhibitions/mad-square/

Chrysalis
Chrysalis

Love this, LS, thanks for the link x

Chrysalis
Chrysalis

I was a teenager living in the UK during some of the Thatcher years: the Falklands, Greenham Common, CND etc. I won’t go on about the politics except to say I grew up in the north of England so I know first hand how those policies destroyed people. But creatively it was an amazing time to be in England. Musicians, theatre, there was so much going on, real creative resistance. That part of it was exhilarating to be around.

Q
Q

It was dirty, exhilarating, intense, high stakes ( spesh for this middle class Aussie) gritty, dark dark dark with gem like summer days with no heat in them but a longevity to die for….gigs at the Hammersmith, drugs galore, poverty i had never seen in white society, Aussie bands doing it hard in east end squats and Finsbury Park etc etc – and so very very real – thanks for the memories Iron Lady – unlike Annette F whom my mother denounced as ‘American sentimentality’ ( pax VE – bought up in anti-American household ie Canadian)

doubleliblottascorp
doubleliblottascorp

V. true Chrysalis….theatre brilliant then, and agree totally with Q below…you’ve nailed it. Electric times…

aqua lion
aqua lion

One of the positive things about the Thatcher years is how many intelligent and interesting English people migrated to Australia (well, good for Australia) – quite a few of my uni professors

Pisces with Sagg Rising
Pisces with Sagg Rising

Perhaps the best thing that happened during her time in government was that it inspired some great music. I’ve been reading over a few things about her death and I saw “The Iron Lady” recently and what has occurred to me is that the woman didn’t seem to have the slightest scintilla of compassion – as in it was completely absent from her personality. In my view, that is a character flaw that no amount of personality strengths can compensate for. She isn’t getting a state funeral apparently, which comes as a surprise as I thought that was kind of… Read more »

Quintile
Quintile

Agreed re the music was thinking the same tonight – hugely creative millieu during the late 70’s through. Takes real backbone to make art/ music there – and some of that comes from the war tradition as per Terence Davis trilogy shows music as core to working class culture.

cosmic fleece
cosmic fleece

I’m with you re the Music Quintile, Matt Johnson from The The also produced a cracker of a tune with Heartland. Whenever there is great art from greed and power, these words come to mind.

โ€œIn Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace โ€“ and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Third_Man

Anonymous
Anonymous

Isn’t life a mysterious paradox.. If there weren’t bad or difficult things happening in the world, where would all the great art, poetry & music come from, the people uniting in protest, new political movements etc et al.. It seems we need all the opposites to create some kind of balanced world.. Or we need to get a little out of balance at certain times in life.. In order to make life more interesting.. Yes, Ok back to Shakespeare etc et al…

Darrell
Darrell

All the world’s a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:

They have their exits and their entrances;

And each in his or her time plays many parts..

Leading us all to the deep mystery of Life. And, the. “Fate & Destiny” & “the Soul”…. Of which astrology, numerology etc give us much insight into, but never into total or absolute knowing of all things…

‘As You Like It’ – Shakespeare.

cosmic fleece
cosmic fleece

Anonymous
Anonymous

How sad to read all these comments, the woman just died! I never expected to read this on this site.

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

I know.. I am shocked. Most of the people commenting here are an embarrassment to Mystic. I am disappointed in myself for thinking I could get sound support from some of these bloggers. I have a few chosen mentors here that have been logical and supportive. ๐Ÿ™

S
S

Agree. I am going back to being a silent subscriber. Shame Crab-fest got hijacked.

doubleliblottascorp
doubleliblottascorp

As much as I loathed her and the culture of greed she encouraged, I find it terribly sad that she died alone, her children weren’t present and still haven’t appeared………press trying to keep that quiet.

Quintile
Quintile

Agreed DLibScorp – of course on one level EVERYONE’S death is sad. Ellie and Anon and S this is doubtless one of the reasons M doesn’t’ post ‘political’ content – virtually never. It’s rare to have this level of heated response – maybe respect those who had/have direct experience of the times, let us vent a bit about it here – it’s an important discussion happening all over the world. But likewise I don’t think this is the place to slag people off for their politics – left or right – because it’s not a thread M cultivates. Her call.… Read more »

S
S

I have not been disrespectful to others on this issue. Maybe don’t take my one comment above to pigeon hole me, thank you. Tomorrow I am going to the second funeral in less than a m

S
S

Second in less than a month. Grief is personal as are opinions. I respect that right in all human beings. I’ve supported MM’s work for many years, but only recently started to place my voice here. I respect your opinion but might suggest you read all our comments before casting the first stone Quintile.

andromeda
andromeda

Sorry for your loss S. I don’t know that this thread is a good place to be getting healing for your grief though. Good luck.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Her children didn’t come because she was a total beeatch? Life’s very simple – what goes around comes around!

Anonymous
Anonymous

Yep true that!! ๐Ÿ™‚

Q
Q

I wasn’t going to say but…. Yes, obviously

SourPatch
SourPatch

Well that’s so easy for you to say when your region wasn’t destroyed because of her and people like her. I won’t piss on her grave but I refuse to sugarcoat her horrible legacy.

doubleliblottascorp
doubleliblottascorp

Yep…we are still living it here particularly the North.

Min the Merciless
Min the Merciless

Well said.

Seabird
Seabird

Sorry Anon, get a handle and come in and comment properly. Don’t try to sanitize history or how people feel about her. Fuque that one million times. Now is precisely the right time to discuss what she did and what followed. I want my daughter to know what she did, and what followed. I could t give a good goddamn about being polite about her death, she was a nightmare in life and in death she is totally not mourned by the millions of people her policies personally affected. Don’t try to make out she should be immune from this,… Read more »

MizBee
MizBee

Anyone else out there remember the 1979 election? What it was like to be female then and suddenly the opportunity was there to get a woman into the ‘top job’? It was my first election. There was a feeling of history being made. But we all know what happened next.

Fi
Fi

I do. I was born in UK but citizen of Australia, and 17 in 1979, but I remember thinking…god, don’t let the first woman in the top job be someone who epitomizes that dangerous combination of ideological blinkers and populist political opportunism! Even Hayek (another zealot, whom she worshipped) saw little economic benefit to be had from privatising natural monopolies, but the Baroness did just that, quite cynically, in order to serve her own political ends (short-term additions to govt revenue) Then, when Gillard got in, I thought, god, don’t let Australia’s first female PM be someone who is so… Read more »

pegasus
pegasus

Fi, i was in Belgium when she came into power and thought what a win for the women.That was THEN.

Min the Merciless
Min the Merciless

Hmm. I was 14 and in the UK. By the time I graduated from college the boom and been and went and there were no jobs in my industry – well there were, I took one for 3 months and the company went bust, took another one for 2 months and the small company went bust again. Eventually I took a temporary job as a filing clerk.

Arises aqua
Arises aqua

But Thatcher was actually fiercely Plutonic โ€“ She had Saturn in Scorpio Rising so Pluto was her ruler. Not only that, Pluto squared her Sun and Mars and it was opposite her Jupiter. She was famously not born to wealth or power but with Jupiter and Pluto in tight aspect, you damn well acquire it one way or another. Pluto was her Boss โ€“ not Venus.

“She had Saturn in Scorpio rising”

Astro gurus Could one of you please explain this a bit more …..

Anonymous
Anonymous

whatever rules your ascendant is your chart ruler. Pluto rules Scorp, hence Pluto being her ruler, not Venus which rules Libra (her Sun sign)
Get it? ๐Ÿ™‚

Anonymous
Anonymous

Got it!
So the nature of the planet is felt within that person the most?

Anonymous
Anonymous

Wait a minute
How does she have Saturn in Scorpio rising? How is that

Fi
Fi

Others may be able to give a better explanation, but the rising sign is the zodiacal sign and the Ascendant is the sign and degree that was ascending on the eastern horizon (from the perspective of Earth) at the specific time and location birth. The sign changes around every two hours. Saturn in Scorpio rising means that Saturn was transiting Scorpio and very close to the earth’s view of the eastern horizon at the time of her birth. ie. so I also have Scorp rising, but by then, Saturn was transiting Aquarius, so it was not rising for me. However,… Read more »

Archie Dunlop
Archie Dunlop

Do you honestly believe that Pluto rules Scorpio? The general trend over the last decade or more is to return to the traditional rulers, especially in the case of Scorpio. Also, the chart clearly shows the importance of angularity – Saturn and the Moon give you a lot of information about Margaret Thatcher. As for Pluto, it’s main importance is telling us about Margaret Thatcher’s generation.

airhead
airhead

I share the same birthday as Thatcher -thankfully I was born 40+ years later and have none of the other placements the same. The secret language of birthdays book seems to pretty much base the whole profile for this day on characteristics of Thatcher – which means the tag line at the top is “The Day of the Tough Cookie” which makes my son laugh and laugh as he thinks it should be “The day of the Soft Touch” where I am concerned.

doubleliblottascorp
doubleliblottascorp

so do I airhead….but have Moon in Cancer conjunct MC which I hope makes for a bit more compassion than that brutal woman.

airhead
airhead

Oh cool .. snap on the birthday. I have Aqua rising and moon – so thankfully far less brutal than that woman for me too.

cosmic fleece
cosmic fleece
Min the Merciless
Min the Merciless

Loved Spitting Image – thank you Cosmic!

cosmic fleece
cosmic fleece

My pleasure Min,
I had fun revisiting.
Tootle.

The Crazy Crone
The Crazy Crone

Thank you, had a great snicker at that one, especially the bit about mourning Hitler’s death!

The Leo Socialite
The Leo Socialite

What a strange juxtaposition – the amazing Artemesia who i want to be my spirit guide, moon, freedom wild women and um, thatcher. Don’t get me wrong, i have many conservative friends and i respect different ideologies but she was hideously divisive and casualties from that falklands thing so sad and unneccessary.

but hah hah to the idea of hades being ecomomically rationalized by her. also very leo (moon) to die at the Ritz.

prowlncrab
prowlncrab

It’s probably why I can’t stand Gillard.

prowlncrab
prowlncrab

I mean is she not the one that kicked single parents off the parenting pension and forced them onto newstart? …. nice

and without compensating mechanisms for childcare so that the parent can actually afford to go to work.

And isn’t she the one that undermined the carbon tax instead delivering this watered down flaccid carbon policy that is completely ineffective and a total waste of time and resources?

Anonymous
Anonymous

I read last week that carbon emissions are down 9% since it was introduced

mitra
mitra

sorry, that was me

Anonymous
Anonymous

There is a brown coal power plant going up in China every day that runs on Aussie coal. If they were serious about fixing this issue, they would go straight to the mining industry not the small tax payers. It is a joke!

Quintile
Quintile
Quintile
Quintile

Sorry bity didn’t work – but we better not get too het up – might upset some of the natives ๐Ÿ™‚

andromeda
andromeda

Not the ones I support, good share luv, ๐Ÿ˜‰

aqua lion
aqua lion

as I understand it, the single parents only have to go back to work once the youngest child is 8 (?) or at school (?) Fair enough, I’m sorry but having a child doesn’t give you a gravy train for other people to pay for you for the rest of your life. I also work full time, look after a house, look after myself…. when your kid’s at school, you have the day free to go and get a job like other people. I read a ridiculous letter from a woman in a newspaper who seemed to think it was… Read more »

aqua lion
aqua lion

One of the things I really like about Gillard is that she seems to have an intelligent team – as seen on Q and A – my mind’s gone blank for names other than Penny Wong, Jenny Macklin, Bill Shorten, and Greg Combet for the minute. But to have people like that being loyal and supporting you counts for something. They introduced the carbon tax. You have to start somewhere. Its an introductory thing. I admire them for doing it, I think its deliberately kept a little under the radar but they are committed to addressing the big issues (climate… Read more »

Andromeda
Andromeda

They also took one of the biggest mining booms in Australian history & the savings made by the Libs & squandered it on pathetic pink bats schemes.

When somebody steals your life savings it is theft. When someone steals a country’s savings I call it … treason.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Didn’t they introduce the stimulus to prevent a recession? Aren’t savings for a rainy day? They have to keep the $ moving because we live with the capitalist model and that’s how it works? The thing I don’t appreciate is the ongoing grandoise schemes that are borrowing from the future. Because they want people to vote them in again. Although I don’t have any time for Gillard on the whole, there is a lot of subterfuge around what her and her government have achieved. They have done quite a lot that is seldom mentioned. Yes they’ve had some humungous fuck… Read more »

prowlncrab
prowlncrab

I hear you … but I also think situations like this need to be taken on a case by case basis. It’s not an equal playing field put there and single parents have different personal circumstances that may be a barrier to gaining employment. I always keep in mind that punitive measures against single parents end up punishing their children as well. It’s a tough issue, one that needs to be carefully considered before making blanket policy.

calypso scorp
calypso scorp

Yes, I agree, and I am speaking from single parent experience. Living on welfare is barely living, and we are working harder at home than people without children or even people with supportive partners can imagine, and sometimes with actively unsupportive ex partners making things even harder. Single parents who are taking up their own responsibilities and those that others have let go need support. Our work options are limited by our circumstances. I hardly ever draw a pension but I am a casual seasonal worker and sometimes have trouble getting work for 4 months over summer, 6 weeks of… Read more »

calypso scorp
calypso scorp

sorry for typos

calypso scorp
calypso scorp

also, thanks ProwlinCrab for your compassion

Min the Merciless
Min the Merciless

I work in Early Intervention and I take my hat off to all the single mums and dads who are supporting their kids.

calypso scorp
calypso scorp

cheers Min x

Andromeda
Andromeda

Yes, Gillard is awful, just a cold little wind-up toy. Ick.

prowlncrab
prowlncrab

Ugghhh hideous, vile, simpering old bitch. Glad she’s kicked the bucket. If she were alive I wouldn’t piss on her if she were on fire …. the damage one person can do to a nation and its people in just a few short years.

Min the Merciless
Min the Merciless

Absolutely!

Tropic of Scorp
Tropic of Scorp

My sentiments exactly. Good riddance!

The Crazy Crone
The Crazy Crone

Totally agree!

gemyogi
gemyogi

Yep.

S
S

The Music that came about out of this political landscape is what I shall be focusing on. Thatcherism strokes my fur the wrong way.
Pegasus – like your HB graphic. It has movement, anticipation and a touch of anime. Lovely.

pegasus
pegasus

Why thanx ‘S’, anime is one of my definite likes, the Yamamoto wind cheaters of the early 80’s were colourful & movies like ‘Ghost in the Shell’.
Libran Moon adores Beauty & the Mars in Virgo for pens pencils, rulers & paper! x

S
S

Do you have other sketches that I could view online? I get creative cabin fever when I can’t go to a decent gallery. Got to kick my paint mojo in the bum somehow.

pegasus
pegasus

Wish a few more ‘World Leaders’ present & past would die as well, they could tear each other’s throats in hell worlds, not in this beautiful one.

HOW did Anette Funicello get mentioned with Thatcher???
Care factor?

quintile
quintile

Dreadful, dreadful woman – and her legacy (and Regan’s) of neo-con and economic rationalist principles and actions will one day be seen as some of the key things that precipitated the decline of Britain’s and the USA’s ‘great power’. I lived in the UK in the early 80s *shudders*. Heard an interesting item about how Thatcher and the Queen clashed as QE11’s ‘one nation’ conservatism (that is, a compassionate conservatism founded on an idea of an organic society, with special responsibilities on those with wealth – not Aussie One Nation) and committment to the idea of a Commonwealth (common wealth)… Read more »

prowlncrab
prowlncrab

She came from humble origins and my Leo mum (in amidst angry rants) often said that Thatcher was a peasant with delusions of grandeur. She resented her origins and always had a chip on her shoulder about class. Many despots are similar – Idi Amin for example. Some of the most compassionate people in humanitarian terms come from wealthy or priveliged backgrounds which I always find heartening.

WaterVirgo
WaterVirgo

So agree

doubleliblottascorp
doubleliblottascorp

Your Mum was right! She was trying to eclipse the Queen. Dress, coiffure, handbag carriage, lessons for rp accent etc etc. Thing is, she never had a sense of humour about herself and had that vile smiling assassin mannerism.
Me and my peers spent the 80’s marching against her and can’t understand the lack activism in the young now….. she created the foundations for the mess UK is in at the moment.

Pi
Pi

it’s the anaesthesia of the comfortably-off middle class I guess? Give everyone a home mortgage, and they’ll never go on strike. Also, the triumph of an individualist society.. “I’m all right, jack”

aqua lion
aqua lion

I have to admit, I have always liked the word “common wealth” and am glad it is attached to the official title of Australia.

Anonymous
Anonymous

thatcher = SATAN she could have done something positive with all that crazy energy instead of impose neoliberal policies which exploited already marginalized peoples. but no. she actually just went with the game thats ruining the world. what an idiott

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

Oh the supremely awesome things she could have accomplished with a will & a fist & a force of nature reputation like hers…

Intentions are everything.

She’ll be back. Hopefully after a good karmic adjustment & recalibration of worldly agendas.

Lux Interior is My Co-Pilot
Lux Interior is My Co-Pilot

Interesting stuff ๐Ÿ™‚

Ainslie
Ainslie

At least were off cancerians : )

GemCrab
GemCrab

Pity, but I guess it had to end some time. Just like Thatcher to be the reason for it …

Min the Merciless
Min the Merciless

๐Ÿ™‚

whimsy
whimsy

I have Spitting Image squeaky dog toy of ol’ Mags. Kept it for nearly 20 years.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/04/08/margaret-thatcher-dead-spitting-image_n_3036869.html?utm_hp_ref=uk?ncid=GEP

Min the Merciless
Min the Merciless

๐Ÿ™‚ cool

Anonymous
Anonymous

Bought Stateside in mid-80s at a groomer’s, to announce my solidarity with my new exchange family in the UK. While there I travelled north to meet a fellow teen pen-pal from York. What a depressing trip! My first encounter with Thatcher economics and its effects on my generation.

It was quite an unexpected education.

whimsy
whimsy

‘Twas me, whimsy.

Kate
Kate

Annette Funicello has also past this week, two great women in very different ways!

pegasus
pegasus

Are you a buddy of Ellie, Kate?

Kate
Kate

No!
Just an Annette Funicello fan!
Both these women each in their own way played a part in my childhood!

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Hello Kate.. meet the Ellie they are ganging up on. Never thought a series of bullying would occur here. But these 2 ladies were a part of my childhood too!

Chin up! xo!!

Kate
Kate

I agree ! Nasty!

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Thank you!! ๐Ÿ™‚

Curious
Curious

How was Annette Funicello a great woman? Please, do tell.

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Leave it alone Curious! She is a woman and she is great!

Curious
Curious

Screw you. If I want to comment I am going to comment. “she is a woman and she is great!” That’s it? That’s all that can be said for her? She’s a childhood ‘icon’ that’s about it. Does not make someone GREAT!

Pi
Pi

I think Curious’s question is legit, actually. I have no idea who Ms Funicello is. or Was.

Pi
Pi

oh hang on the mickey mouse thing someone was talking about up there. … carry on then

Kate
Kate
Kate
Kate

May be not great in the Thatcheresque sense, but certainly in her own way she influenced the World. Letโ€™s not forget that Annette Funicello was the clean-cut do gooder who Oliver Newton- John supposedly portrayed in the Movie / Musical โ€˜Greaseโ€™. The Sandy character was based on Annette. Inadvertently Annette also played her part in multiculturalism; though only a child she kept her real name thus supporting her Italian Heritage when Disney wanted to change her name to โ€œAnnette Turnerโ€ Anyway, who knows how we influence the world; well maybe Mystic does!

Anonymous
Anonymous

Oh, yeah. The great moral question: “Would you pull that sh*t with Annette?”

Thank you, Rizzo.

cosmic fleece
cosmic fleece
Ms.
Ms.

Yes. I really hope this reminds people of politics again, there are a lot of kids here who don’t know who she is nor even know who the actual Prime Minster is.. Apathy is chic, It’s cool not to like politics or care about anything now but it is an important reminder about how things have come to be. At least it is being discussed.

airhead
airhead

I was just thinking about Billy Bragg as I read this – his “Talking with the Taxman about Poetry” album was inspired by the Thatcher years. I love that album and Billy.

airhead
airhead

Thanks for posting. So much love for Billy.

virgolicious
virgolicious

Ding dong indeed. No compassion here. Her ideas and vision of Britain and the world deserve to die with here, although I fear they never will. This woman caused immense misery to the poor of Britain, and horror to the rest of us watching from the outside. Remember the poll tax. Remember the London Riots of the 1980s (a direct result of the poll tax). Remember the Falklands War. Remember how she broke the miners. Remember how she destroyed communities and promoted the individual above all. Britain has never fully recovered. To give hope to others I offer this version… Read more »

The Crazy Crone
The Crazy Crone

Thanks so much for this link to a wonderful version of The Internationale, virgolicious, good on you! Reminds you just what life was like under Thatcher for those who weren’t rich and who were hit so hard by her and her government. The adulation of the wealthy for someone who simply served the wealthy at the expense of humanity makes me feel sick. Her legacy? Greed, selfishness and immense hardship for so many ordinary folk. Glad to see the back of the old bat and stuff any thoughts of don’t speak ill of the dead. Can’t see why death suddenly… Read more »

Waterlibran
Waterlibran

Wonder if it’s a Libra thing to go stuff it about ‘not speaking ill of the dead’? I’ve had ‘ding dong the witch is dead, which witch, the wicked witch’ – apologies to all Wiccans ๐Ÿ™‚ – going through my head today.

She was an evil old bat who doesn’t deserve glorifying just because she carked it – I’m sure George Negus would agree?

SourPatch
SourPatch

The last part of your post is the line I want to use for every “feminist” who idolizes her. I hold her and Reagan personally responsible for destabilizing my homeland….from which it has never fully recovered.

Min the Merciless
Min the Merciless

Yes. It’s never recovered. The greed, dishonesty and violence are what, finally, drove me to leave 4 years’ ago. To see mums fighting each other on buses (I was a community healthworker) and to take the top of a bus when the kids came home from school was a time I don’t want to remember! Being beaten up by three 15 year olds on a nightbus coming back from a night out at Ronnie Scotts in Central London was the last of it.

SourPatch
SourPatch

Oh, I’m sorry for the confusion! Im from South/East Africa . A place formerly plagued by a war in which was financed by Aparthied South Africa who in turn was supported by the U.S. and Great Britian. It seems she was just as shitty to people within her own borders though.

gemyogi
gemyogi

Exactly. I was on Twitter when news of her death broke.

I tweeted ‘The beautification of St Thatcher has begun. Funny how people become wonderful as soon as they die.’

cosmic fleece
cosmic fleece

5 songs you wont hear at Thatchers funeral

http://www.spinner.com/2013/04/08/5-anti-margaret-thatcher-songs/

Min the Merciless
Min the Merciless

Loved this ๐Ÿ™‚ ! Thank you Cosmic

cosmic fleece
cosmic fleece
doublekataka
doublekataka

I’m glad you posted this. Yes, lets remember her support of Pinochet please; a moment of pure evil.

Min the Merciless
Min the Merciless

Pinochet, her support of Apartheid, the fact she thought Mandela a terrorist, Clause 28, (outlawing the ‘promotion’ of LGBT lifestyle as ‘pretend families’), selling off council housing, the poll tax. A despicable woman and legacy.

Pi
Pi

ah, Pinochet, isn’t that the beloved leader whom the US government installed when Allende wouldn’t do as he was told? I am referring to a potentially faulty memory of one university lecture here, nothing more, pls correct if wrong

Andromeda
Andromeda

Yes, that sounds right Pi.
Saddam Hussein got CIA funded to be a nice little despot, Osama was a great friend of the Bush family etc.

Without money and US backing, it is very, very, very, very, very hard work to become a despot!!!!
Sheesh. Alexander the Great made it look so easy.

Seabird
Seabird

Yay! She sucked. She ruined Britain, literally tore it apart into the haves and the have-nots, the white collars and the blue, and chucked the latter into the gutter, where they slide down ever further each year where they can be demonised by those standing on the sidewalk without fear of reproach. And she set an outstanding example for those who followed. Bush n Lil Johnnie…and Abbot, and Mr Cameron and his despicable deifying of her. I don’t give a good goddamn about respect. I was in London in the 80’s, I remember the fear and loathing. Good riddance and… Read more »

Seabird
Seabird

Also, there was a great article on the Guardian online today about how ‘respect’ when somebody dies helps to rewrite history, turning one of the most shocking leaders the West has ever seen into simply a very strong and inspiring leader. She was not. She doesn’t deserve to be remembered that way. Kids should learn the real history – the woman was a heartless bitch who couldn’t see the wood for the trees, and a warmongering racist into the bargain. Go get the beautiful book by Raymond Briggs “The Tinpot Foreign General and the Old Iron Woman” Now that’s the… Read more »

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