Karma Venusian

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Once upon a Venusian Weirding…Love-Sex-Beauty planet Venus is not only hitting on half the sky this week and next, she is on the all spooky South Node, gateway to your previous existences.

(I did a proper rant re this in the Daily Mystic email for Thursday – if you are a subscriber but did not get it, please email so this can be sorted.)

Short Version: This is karmic to the max in that old stories and yearnings are stirred. You get an echo of emotions from a long time ago, some of them quite poignant. You could be surprised at what dormant emo is awakened. Or the synchronicity that seems to occur.Β  Non-resolved situations from a while ago that felt fateful could be on your mind. Encounters feel somehow choreographed.

This needs a careful play – yes to being open and aware as the veils between different times are thinner than usual. No to this triggering a gigantic Love Zombie trigger because it’s not just ‘complicated’, it’s ‘karmic’.Β  See the Anti Love Zombie section in Cosmic Love Tips.

This could also be a chance to lay the ghosts of your romantic past before reincarnating your love life. Monitor dreams!

 

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HipparaEcmerci
HipparaEcmerci

Speaking of South Node – I thought it was painful enough having my Venus conjunct that point. But apparently it does not end there (of course). I also have my Karm, Destinn, Angel, and Union asteroids all within a couple degree orbs of that point. FM(romantic)L.

calypso scorp
calypso scorp

goodness HE, no wonder you have had such intense experiences in that area! Fuq!! x

HipparaEcmerci
HipparaEcmerci

Seriously, WTFuq.

Thanks CalypsoScorp. Hugs.

ceramici
ceramici

So interesting, this venusian south node stuff: i think this was it for me:
work on a collaborative project began this week. He is lovely, we’ve had some great talks as we are making the work, and as we spoke, we discovered we both had the same reoccurring dream sequence as children. A very abstract obscure dream sequence too. Stunning stuff

misskismet
misskismet

Typo: but doesn’t know if he sees the future with me in it. πŸ™

Pi
Pi

ahhh that’s no good misskismet .. πŸ™ i hope he levels out and things get better … hugs xxoo

misskismet
misskismet

Had massive cry with the bf last night. Both of us. We’re in a long distance r/s but it’s coming to an end in 3 or 4 months as am (was supposed to be anyway) moving to London to be with him and for school (and taking on debt for grad school). Ironically our relationship was super sweet until February and it’s only gotten odd this month really. He’s stuck in a midlife crisis, going to switch jobs but has self esteem massively eroded by current one, scared as hell of quitting this one.. And he’s just been quite emotionally… Read more »

Andromeda
Andromeda

The asteroid ‘Karma’ is the only thing I have ever found in my 12th House!

Perhaps it is resonant as it is in Taurus, which rules the house my Sun is in/

Bast is conjunct my Karma atm, so I am going to meditate on Lady Bast, I’d like to get to know her. Been craving to get a kitty cat recently, I really miss having pets (Moon in the 6th).

Double Happiness
Double Happiness

Lucid dream about defacto from eons ago….had conversation with dream self re dumb choices/men

catfish moon
catfish moon

yep.
the boyfriend’s ex girlfriend’s son called today. weird situation from years ago. but he is a child, so of course I don’t mind him, he’s an innocent.
still…..she was something not good completely.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

bah humbug.

prowlncrab
prowlncrab

*chuckles* … I SO relate!

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

I keep hearing about Venusian Voodoo and whatnot but it just never hits home for me. South Node – whatever. I’ve already been there πŸ™‚

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

Yeah i’m not a big believer in Venus Claws either.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Funny thing is – I had a reading done a few years ago and the woman said my new partner would come in during the eclipses in May 2013 and I was all like “isn’t that post-apocalyptic?” And now I’m like, “how’s romance going to help me save money?” LOL!

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

shoot! You are me and on the same wavelength again.

yeah i’ve had people say May 2013 is going to be this huge turn around period for my love life. Colour me skeptical. sigh.
Saturn has made me an uber-sour-puss about relationships.
And yes,,,what i really am focused on is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. My own earned of course, not borrowed or given.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

I’m not going to lie – it would be great to get laid again. But of all the things to take up my time and attention, coupling seems like a total bad investment. Some body is going to have to chase me. Bring it on, Venus Claws! I dare you! LOL!

S
S

I am hearing you both so clearly. I had a reading once and was told the name of my soulmate. I said “Are you sure it’s not such and such”. No she just repeated his name. I would have better luck with wizzing up a sauce for this Venus claw.

Quadrupled
Quadrupled

Yes, pass the ZZ please.

Neptune 5
Neptune 5

pressure + confessions. when a person reveals their feelings, thoughts, off loads their expectations, wishes, hopes and dreams that’s a lot of pressure. be aware of subtleties, fragility. i like not knowing. mystery is meant to be alive.

Charley
Charley

Mega weirding with the Aries ex/love of my life but when has there not weirding with me and him. Feels like it’s been going on my whole life, probably a few lifetimes before that. It’s hard because we have all those classic lovely synastry aspects, the textbook stuff which makes it all so pleasant but also all the most intense Pluto inter aspects which we totally get off on as we’re both super Plutonic. Letting go isn’t happening, something is building and looks like it will culminate appropriately round the full moon eclipse next week, in my 7th house. I… Read more »

Neptune 5
Neptune 5

it’s like the film ‘the labrynth’ – all dem stairs. David Bowie strikes again.

Neptune 5
Neptune 5

ever so near to the end of the stair.

Neptune 5
Neptune 5

new steps to take.

Neptune 5
Neptune 5

I could never replace the hue of today’s necessary step. it’s like i’m a stone’s throw to touching it, i can smell, taste it, i look up and the sky is changing, piece by piece, old lights are fading, boats are sinking, new life is crying to come through.

thanks mystic, i love stairs.

Neptune 5
Neptune 5

talk about past lives and venusian.

Neptune 5
Neptune 5

mild panic attacks.
a guy says he’s been in love with me since we were 12 yrs old. wtf.

chrysalis
chrysalis

No karma here! Been on a regional worksite for work. Hot blokes everywhere. Nice for a girl’s ego:-) to be honest I can’t get my head around past lives. This is the one that counts, for me anyways. it would be great if Venus delivered Mr Soulmate but I won’t hold my breath!

chrysalis
chrysalis

Soz phone issues (mars inn virgo appalled by typos) i typed ‘worksire’ first lol

Quintile
Quintile

Travel safe C and enjoy the change of scene πŸ™‚

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

There are more hot guys than average at the client site I’m working at now. I realized I suck at flirty. I fail at eye contact and smiles. When I do smile more, I get more smiles. I must be smiling more since I noticed that.

Pi
Pi

πŸ™‚

ceramici
ceramici

a couple of mornings ago, i dreamed of giant angels flying down through the clouds to earth; and everyday, I have heard of a new death, dying or near death … perhaps on all scales and dimensions?

pegasus
pegasus

Mean Node is South node right?
It’s sitting on top of my natal Chiron at the moment according to the chart map.
THIS needs further exploration to search the meaning as it is unsettling and intriguing me at the same time.

calypso scorp
calypso scorp

Pegs, I thought the mean node was the north node?

Anonymous
Anonymous

yeah Mean and True node is the North. Whatever is opposite is south

pegasus
pegasus

OK then, my north node is south of my natal chart but is now sitting north of it, left hand side.
Think i’m at the stage of life where if i can’t convince them i better confuse them.
Thnx for correcting me πŸ™‚

tropic of Scorp
tropic of Scorp

πŸ™‚ Hey Pegs, it doesn’t matter what direction it is or where it falls in your chart. I have North North in Gem in 6th house, so South node is in Saggo in 12th. But only the NN symbol appears in the astro chart.

pegasus
pegasus

Got it Scorps now you said only the North shows aka the Mean.

This is a case of the more i know the less i know :-).
Enjoy your weekend, less Saturn more of a Sagg time. x

Tropic of Scorp
Tropic of Scorp

Ok Pegs, I was probably confusing you. Here’s an image I found to illustrate south and north node

http://tinyurl.com/bvynbx2

In the 8th house is the NN in Cap and opposite that in the 2nd house is south Node in Cancer and the symbol for the node is upside down. In my astro.com chart the south node symbol doesn’t appear but it doesn’t matter because we all know that it’s just opposite the North. Yeah?

πŸ™‚

Anonymous
Anonymous

lol yes darling pegs, just confuse us – we loves it xxx

pegasus
pegasus

Love you too, if i confuse others, it’s nothing to what i do to myself πŸ˜‰

pegasus
pegasus

Alchemist, just sent u a text answering YES.
Perhaps you can explain to this node biz in person.
North South Mean True, one of them is in Taurus, that’s YOU!
The other is then in Scorpio, that much i know. x

fallen angel
fallen angel

Eeeuw, hello past lives. After years of de-sewering (from an ex MM appropriately named the Sewer), and subconscious processing of traumas, had a vivid dream last night of being in an empty ballroom full of cloth covered round tables, obviously having been deserted after use. I was sitting there, naked and feeling fat, that is not fighting fit whilst a waiter brought me a steak. I was so hungry and I wanted to eat it, but the Sewer was sitting a chair away from me in a blazer, looking tanned yet older. Nothing but the sound of things being put… Read more »

cosmic fleece
cosmic fleece

Hello Darling, I have read that to dream of red meat to is to dream of animalistic desires. You wrote a beautiful piece recently about the traits of Katakans. It was a refreshing insight for me (can count closest one one hand, 3 of which are Katakans), one of the things that really stuck out, was that the big claw cuts people off, lets them go, retreats. Possibly you did know this Sewer man in a past life, and maybe the dream is symbolic of finally letting any soul connections go ? – this may be my naive child like… Read more »

cosmic fleece
cosmic fleece

You leaving the meat on the table and nottouching it, feeling hungry but letting it go cold.

Letting him go.

Andromeda
Andromeda

Intense FA! He is still in yr dreams, how frus!
Here’s hoping the nakedness & uneaten stake symbolise completion of this cycle.
Forgive me but I really want a steak after reading this. πŸ˜‰

fallen angel
fallen angel

haha, no worries andie..dare not have a perfectly good steak be marred by the memory of a Sewer.

fallen angel
fallen angel

Thanks, Cosmic…what did Isak Dinesen say? That the cure for anything is saltwater..sweat, tears, and the sea. It is true for Katakans, things change in the same way the shore re-forms by the power of the tides. I think the dream was a thematic question that used the most powerful triggers for me. A once precious soul connection dashed into a set of terrible memories. Hopes for all sorts of things hanging tenuously, an awful hunger, vulnerability, a huge room sorely empty after a feast. The plane of course is freedom, not just for the obvious flight, but it referenced… Read more »

cosmic fleece
cosmic fleece

So much respect for you lovely one. Your insightfulness blossoms off the computer screen like a beautiful beanstalk, ever growing onwards and upwards…like you. x

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

I had a dream about my version of the sewer awhile back and your dream reminded me of it. In my dream, he gave me a ring – it was old, full of gunk, missing the gem. I said thanks and turned it over and noticed it unfolded into a lapis encrusted candle holder thingy. Perhaps tonight you can ask about the plane? Maybe there is something more going on there… Last night I had a dream that included the owner of the firm I got canned from. He and I were driving together. A black car at night. He… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

how about the sign of silence.

Pi
Pi

Scorpio?

scorpiorising
scorpiorising

not me above.

Scorpylicious
Scorpylicious

πŸ˜€

scorpiorising
scorpiorising

yes…or
with just the wind and birds chirping.

freedom ala air
freedom ala air

My soundtrack to life currently… Neil young and Bruce Springsteen… So mars for me w all those guitars. I love blasting it in my car, the boss is sexy and young makes me feel like losing my mind on some good stuff! I have a zombie love and I just let it motivate and inspire me if it starts getting uncomfortable I drop it and let the feeling go general… I have seen his wife the last two arvos so that could be a sign… Ive been doing a lot of bath healing too, and getting bodywork,and moving my body,… Read more »

S
S

I gave Blondie a spin this arvo. Struggling to find the right sound to match this moment.

libretta
libretta

love bruce. here’s my ZZ theme song

Anonymous
Anonymous

It also seems to be a time of revelations. I been having an interesting time with chiron and neptune opposing my venus and moon. its all been coming up. First it was spewing out now i am getting it under control. I read about pluto opposing chiron in my chart and i am slowly getting to the bottom of past life conditions. Anyway pluto opposing chiron means that one is GULLIBLE and not seeing own shadow or others darkness. I have seen my own shadow alright and i no longer want to be on my knees. i am doing everything… Read more »

calypso scorp
calypso scorp

fuq, i have Pluto opp Chiron natally too….that makes sense to me as well, thanks.

Kay
Kay

Hmmm I am having Chiron opp Pluto and healing past years’ betrayal and letting go. Forgiving and not forgetting.Motto- Senior in my space. Theme song- Not Afraid -Eminem.

twinfishrising
twinfishrising

YES!! ~This could also be a chance to lay the ghosts of your romantic past before reincarnating your love life. Monitor dreams! ~ Totally felt that lastnight. Had a whopper tropical storm brewing outside while I was lying on the floor meditating ( briefly, lol) … decided to switch off all the houselights and run the bath, and be totally naked in this vulnerable yet soft space of living alone, in a bush retreat 100 yr old house…just let nature envelope me and consciously listen to soften my heart… And it worked… the light of the lightning flashing gently through… Read more »

twinfishrising
twinfishrising

immersion even…

S
S

Wow! Your description is breathtaking.

calypso scorp
calypso scorp

it really is, what a beautiful experience πŸ™‚

libretta
libretta

love love. thanks for writing…

Anonymous
Anonymous

I completely resonated with the emotional purging, your experiences, your conclusion, even. Ive been there. I feel like I was supposed to read this as I don’t know if I could have articulated it better to myself. Thank you for sharing your story, and may the ghosts of our love’s past be laid to peaceful rest.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Gorgeous… Good for you…

cosmic fleece
cosmic fleece

Gee Whizz Twinfish,
This is so beautifully articulated. I felt like i was watching an art film. What an magical healing experience for you lovely one. x
What a growth spurt. What a woman ! xx
And a singing spot…Perfect timing. Like Michel Leunig said in an artwork once ” Let it out, Let it all unravel, and make it on which, a path to travel”
Blessings beautiful one.

cosmic fleece
cosmic fleece

erk spellos. sorry virgos.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Howdy,Virgo calling, πŸ˜€ Methinks that wonderful quote,a favourite,is. . Let it out,let it go,let it all unravel,set it free and it may be a path on which to travel ! Bless him ! Couldn’t resist the invitation to a Virgo,regardless of spelling πŸ˜€ Cheers !

Pi
Pi

that’s wonderful AND fabulous. I hope your gig is delicious and all the right people see it. xxoo

twinfishrising
twinfishrising

πŸ™‚ Glad to share, thanks for reading…and yes, Fleecey, that Leunig came to mind as I was telling it here..You get it , lovely ram , kaching! πŸ˜‰ xx

Anonymous
Anonymous

Fabulous! And so brave, love it.
Best of luck with the gig.

Andromeda
Andromeda

Me!

Anonymous
Anonymous

I get it is Big , I just dumped her I hope she finds her equal !

Lux Interior is My Co-Pilot
Lux Interior is My Co-Pilot

Bring on the voodoo I say!

S
S

What the hello is with Oracle? Told me this morning I am already in love. It’s news to me and it must be her time of the month.
Yesterday the painter tells me, “When a women can make good coffee, we say in my country she is ready for marriage.”
So glad his country no longer exists, because I sure didn’t feel like being barista bitch today.
Even past life lesbian lover twirls into view. I am feelin synchronicity overload.

Gemyogi
Gemyogi

Ha ha the Oracle is being a bitch to me as well. First banging on about a Taurus incoming 2 weeks ago… Then it was me being bitter and cynical, then aphrodite herself was bringing an ‘awesome new contender’ into my love life… Now there’s a Virgo on the way! Also 2 weeks ago there was a fire sign ‘all but stalking me’ …….. Still waiting…. Bring it already!!!!!!

S
S

Oh good not only me. She did tell me to journal my next vivid dream. Ok Oracle…dream on then.
I even asked her our past life relationship? We studied together.

libretta
libretta

ha yeah it told me that my latest celebrity crush and I were not seeing eye to eye about our possible love affair. Damn that thing works!! grumble grumble….

cosmic fleece
cosmic fleece

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/04/17/video-new-zealand-parliament-breaks-into-song-as-equal-marriage-bill-is-passed/

When the members of Parliament break into an old Maori Love song, i cried .. Respect to New Zealand.

Oh and Nice One Venus !!

Lux Interior is My Co-Pilot
Lux Interior is My Co-Pilot

Yay to our Trans-Tasman cousins!
πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚

fallen angel
fallen angel

Thanks, Cosmic! This is amazing, I had to FB repost it…by contrast, we can’t even get background checks for gun control passed here. πŸ™

Tropic of Scorp
Tropic of Scorp

Very disappointing! I What is so wrong with background checks?? Everyone still gets to keep their stupid guns. Why anyone living in the city even needs a semi-automatic is beyond me!! πŸ™„

twinfishrising
twinfishrising

πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ it kinda felt like an “aha” moment in the pacific today over this, hey? πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚

cosmic fleece
cosmic fleece

Sure did.
Canada was on this in 2005, my Gemini Stellium is like ” Yes” with an air punch at the same time”Fuqs sake people, what is the world wide hold up?, wake up, love is love, what if your child/sister/mother/brother/father/closest people were in love and wanted to commit to each other .. who has the right to tell them they can”t fuq that sh*t man” .. Aries impatience quick to kick in and give 2 cents worth…Pronto People Pronto…xx

S
S

Why Gillard doesn’t make this her legacy, is beyond reason.

Pi
Pi

aww that’s really cool! i mean not just the political decision itself, but the song. and a maori love song. seriously. what is NZ’s astro?

Quintile
Quintile

Yes go NZ – I think it’s Aquarius – treaty of Waitangi?

Pi
Pi

thanks Q!

calypso scorp
calypso scorp

I posted on another thread I read somewhere it was Cancer? but not sure re: reliability of this.

Anonymous
Anonymous

NZ’s astro is usually taken from dominion day – 26 september, libra.

Anonymous
Anonymous

that’s what a guy who runs an astrology centre/school in NZ told me anyways.

Anonymous
Anonymous

1907, wellington. Venus conjunct sun taurus moon, mercury in libra. Pokarekare ana and venus all the way – any busker who plays this when I’m far from home gets $5 no questions asked. And sometimes being just 3 hours away feels like so far from home.

Pi
Pi

i love this escher-style timber spiral stair complex thing. would love to know who designed and made this. if i had a property big enough, it would be there for sure.

flashfire
flashfire

Had to look up Edward James’s astro, and wow… fascinating man. British poet and patron to many surrealist artist including Dali and undeniably and extravagantly Leo, he would make a very interesting MM astro study, methinks. Certainly piqued my interest !

Pi
Pi

you’re a bloody genius! thank you.

whimsy
whimsy

Tilda looks like an exotic South American butterfly.

Scorp Sun/Rising
Scorp Sun/Rising

I am in love with this image..

dia.astro
dia.astro

Yep. This is my life right now. Encountered my Scorpio, His-Mars-Exact-Sextile-My-Venus flame from 2006 last month. This weekend, going to see my Kataka Sun-Sextile-My-Sun ex from 2001-2003, and I am also in the process of trying to pin down (lol) my Libran Aqua Hunky Doorstop from 2007 whose Sun is exact on my Moon, his Moon sextile my Venus. What is the fuqing point of dating when the path behind me is littered with these gorgeous, amazing, lovely dudes?

Pi
Pi

hmm…yes, recycling isn’t just for paper you know πŸ˜‰

Pi
Pi

unlike ‘repurposing’, which is when one’s (friendly) ex becomes your local, say, handyman or something. or the hunky mechanic guy becomes new lover. πŸ˜€

Pi
Pi

here’s me on a roll…. you could announce to the (say) hot local barista guy… “due to budgetary cutbacks, I am being forced to amalgamate several departments in my life…. you have been selected for multiple roles in the reshuffle. New responsibilities include being my lover as well as the local hot barista guy. Here’s my Discussion Paper where I have examined the potential issues that may arise. It will be open for comment until 26 May. Please make your submissions via phone call…here’s my number…a meeting will take place at [name of sexy restaurant] to resolve any differences. I… Read more »

dia.astro
dia.astro

HA!!! Zap Zone Multi Tasking, LOVE IT!

HipparaEcmerci
HipparaEcmerci

Loving this as well!! xD

Lux Interior is My Co-Pilot
Lux Interior is My Co-Pilot

Amazing Pi. I think I love you.

whimsy
whimsy

Efficient, fair and polite. The Cap in me adores this.

Pi
Pi

It’s the cap moon in me. blunt yet circuitous. i think. it squares my Aries Venus, which would rather be in an espresso-drinking competition with Barista Guy where the prize is “If I win, take you to Dinner, if You win, you take me to dinner” or something equally stupid.

Pi
Pi

not circuitous. cautious.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Wow your timing is uncanny. Am listening to people argue. Not deliberately. They traveled to my vicinity to have their seemingly endless fight. She is displaying a remarkable instinctive grasp of the zap zone – grokking it on a primal level. Keeps telling him not to go on about the past. She seems to have a litany of evidence from the now to present so I can understand her reluctance to bang on about prehistoric times. He appears to be more triggered by venus in taurus on the south node. Fascinating. He is not as good at arguing as she… Read more »

Pi
Pi

aww that’s sad πŸ™ I hate hearing people argue… never reaching any new understanding or trying to figure it out from the other person’s POV. So the only thing we get is hurt, words that can’t be taken back, and damaged relationships. Especially for people who speak too much (sharp words, don’t think first) or don’t speak enough (not representing themselves, resentment). Realising recently that conflict or disagreement of any sort is an opportunity to learn something about others and ourselves, and to reasonably voice our own interests if/when need to. and more i guess.

Anonymous
Anonymous

yeah the dynamic was off kilter in both of those ways pi. hermit card – i wanted to throw the hermit card at their feet but she was mildly scary in a never eats vegetables possibly on meth way and i am not an oracle…

Anonymous
Anonymous

this sounds awesome!!!

if you fall... dive
if you fall... dive

YES! Met a lovely Gemini-to-my-Ramzilla April 6th, the day after my birthday. Everything was perfect, except… recently divorced, and still going through that. The feelings are there, but the timing is not. Was being melodramatic last night about it (I told him how I felt, and if he wanted to talk about things – i.e., be with me – he could call me. Haven’t heard from him since, and last night I texted him something short, sweet, and nonchalant. No reply. Sad times.) And my Gemini bestie said, “Don’t be so melodramatic! Don’t delete anything. Keep it because it reminds… Read more »

fallen angel
fallen angel

Anna Karenina Principle babe. Or as some would call it Bake a Great Cake. Meaning for success in either marriage or pastry making, you need not just one but ALL ingredients to be present at the right time.

So yes, it is indeed simple as pie.

Pi
Pi

mmmmmm…. Pi.

S
S

Each one of your posts reminds me of my irrational love of pie.

Pi
Pi

πŸ˜€ absurdism is my goal…

S
S

Pi, I’ll now think of you as Waiting for Godot.

Pi
Pi

lol. there’s something that is so disorienting about such things that I like them for the way that they unsettle us and remove our usual frames of reference that we rely on to make us feel comfortable and safe. if we pull away these little reassuring psychological hitching points, what’s left? who are we after that? how do we define ourselves? it’s funny the judgement and fear that comes with this stuff. i still experience it myself, but it’s v interesting to examine why. things about identity, what happens when the unexpected takes place, that sort of thing.

Pi
Pi

a perfect shining example me is kubrick’s 2001. relentless disorienting change, you can’t hang on, never ever coming back.

S
S

I love that play and I hope you like the compliment. 2001 brilliant .

Double Happiness
Double Happiness

I love this analogy! So true and cake related!

Charley
Charley

Trust me the timing will align if it’s meant to be and if it’s doesn’t perhaps something will come to light that makes it a good thing. It’s often the way!

AirOnFire
AirOnFire

my new rule (after the heartbreak of the 2012) – to not get involved with anyone who is not quite over their ex. No way.

calypso scorp
calypso scorp

lol, it is my new rule (after the heartbreak of 2012) – to not get involved with anyone who is not quite not in a relationship with their ex!

if you fall... dive
if you fall... dive

um… what? πŸ˜›

it’s amazing how many people do that. i really don’t get it.

calypso scorp
calypso scorp

Ah. I know people jump to judgement but it was complicated. His partner knew about it – they had an arrangement. Extenuating circumstances. It was meant to be a casual thing and unfortunately for us all there was a real connection.

OK?

if you fall... dive
if you fall... dive

Sometimes you just mean to have coffee and talk, and sometimes it turn into talking for 20 hours while holding hands, with breaks and pauses to kiss. And you realize how quietly, unbelievably happy you are, how easy it is to fall asleep entwined. Then one of you, or maybe both, realize that for various reasons you can’t deal with that right now. So one freezes the other out, because they can never think of them without remembering how happy they knew they could be.

Or goes away to collect their thoughts. Samey-same in the end though, right?

Lucy
Lucy

That’s why I’ve been thinking about my grade school friends lately.
Good times y’know before all that high-school introversion and teenage depression stuff.

Been thinking too much about karma lately too.

Gemini 1001
Gemini 1001

I met the first man in my life (31 years old) that I could imagine spending my life with. We were friends. I told him i wanted more. He just wants to be friends. I’m trying to be brave but im hurt and angry at him and me.
I am ALWAYS the ‘friend’, so i hope this is the last time, i get put in the ‘friends basket’ and i can use this pain and experience to re-incarnate my love – so that is more fulfilling – instead of my feelings being twisted into friendship…

Lucy
Lucy

Tell him that friendship is just fine with you as you can never have too many friends with the turnover being so high these days in these very karmic times.

Then text him once more on his birthday or Christmas which ever comes first.

Then send him an invitation to your wedding.
Maybe he can bring a friend.

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

Ditch the friend zone; Don’t be too nice.

Pi
Pi

yes it’s a sensitive grey area. my feelings on such a matter would be to keep head held high and put safe distance between, for your heart’s sake. xx

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

Yes! OP has mentioned she always ends up the friend which means this is a pattern of some kind. Find out why he wants to keep it friends. Is he gay, not interested, or has another girl? If he’s gay or into another girl, find out why you like unavilable men. If he’s not interested, ditch him as a friend (assuming this is casual friends and not super deep…he’s the kind of guy who gives your cats emergency sub-q’s). Why have your heart torn up for no good reason? You let him know. Ball is in his court. I had… Read more »

fallen angel
fallen angel

Honey, relish your anger. It means you KNOW you deserve someone who just can’t get enough of you and would rather have you around without your pants on vs you know, just being friends. I think the Friends Zone is akin to being turned away into a blistering wilderness during the dead of winter, whilst said person goes back into a toasty little tent to sit round the fire with who else, but the non-friends. And don’t worry about being brave, you are, it just doesn’t quite feel that way. DO be conscious of keeping your dignity, it’s a great… Read more »

AirOnFire
AirOnFire

I sympathise with you, Gemini1001. Yet I’m wondering what is so offensive about being friends? I understand that it may not be what we want sometimes but I see friendship as an important and fun relationship. I treasure my friendships. Unfortunately I also seem to lose male friends as they want more. Argh.. I enjoy their company and I just need to be myself in a safe space, not navigate the grey waters of “friendships with hopes for more”. I do admire your courage in letting him know that you want more. I have a leo friend who keeps sending… Read more »

AirOnFire
AirOnFire

I re-read my post and realised it may sound confusing – I meant HE doesn’t send out those signals in a sleazy way, he just seems desperate and/or afraid to ask for what he wants.

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

True friendship can be a rewarding thing, but Friendzoning is deplorable. I have gone on after relationships to have really good and deep friendships with exes. This is hard work and it’s not possible or even desireable in some cases. The problem with Friendzoning is that they still want the sexy/attraction worship feel they are getting off of you, but don’t want to pay into the system. They feel like if they are honest about it….i don’t want to date you….that they are freed of any responsibility to you. The problem with friendzoning is that rarely is it about being… Read more »

fallen angel
fallen angel

Word.. there’s a difference. And given 1001’s feelings, that would just be torture.

prowlncrab
prowlncrab

Totally agree … friendzoning is an absolute fraud … a total copout … and at worst a real power play using the emotions of the likee against them “maybe if I hang around they will change their mind” … all under the guise of being mature and contemporary, when really it’s just a selfish frackin’ ego feeding fest. I hate it. Hence I walk.

prowlncrab
prowlncrab

tho’ I guess I should add that I used to do this crap all the time myself – friendzone guys, keep them hanging around dangling to feed my wounded, immature little ego. Maybe I deserve some comeupance? …. Well I don’t do it anymore. Way way more honest.

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

oh i used to do that too back like when i was 18 or 19 because i didn’t understand social situations, but I’ve gotten wiser over the years. But back then, my fragile ego really lapped that up. Live and learn. I hope the universe doesn’t hold it against me either. Of course the people who stay in the friendzone, I don’t get either. They hope by sticking around and being “nice” they hope the other person will lower their guard. Um…no. That’s not how it works. Then they get all passive-aggro mad that the “nice” person never wins b.s.… Read more »

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

and when i realized I did this Friendzoning crap back when i was a naive 18 or 19 y.o. I had an epiphany. it was like when you first realized your hamburger came from a factory farm. I had been made to feel like an ugly & fat POS from family and high school and was basically being a Qi vampire to repair all the damage done. So now, i am like….if it feels good…find out if it’s ethical first.

Pi
Pi

I agree that if someone’s declared their feelings for you, and the other person does not return the sentiment, then the person-who-feels-something-for-the-other-person is in a more vulnerable position. This is ok, we have to bare our feelings sometimes in order to shift situations in our favour (or forever out of it). IMO the problem here is (will list): – the not-interested-in-more friend feels resentful that they now have to deal with (yet another) once was awesome friend who they now know will always emit “I’m secretly in love with you but am pretending not to be” vibes. So any possible… Read more »

AirOnFire
AirOnFire

Amazing insight from everyone, a lot of food for thought.. Friendzoning does seem unhealthy for all involved. I think there is qi-vamping going on on both sides. For the less interested party (and I sadly recognise this in myself) – it’s “I’ll take all the attention I can get to heal/boost my ego” and for the more interested party – “I’ll take all the time I can get with my object of affection”. It’s crap but I now feel that once I got the “male approval” and became the object of affection, I want to just relax, have fun without… Read more »

Tropic of Scorp
Tropic of Scorp

” I never confess secretly-harboured feelings..,”
Must be your Cap moon.
I don’t either – Cap Asc πŸ™‚

Pi
Pi

yes i think you’re right ToS!

Anonymous
Anonymous

Yes , also could a qi vampire .

ArienScorp
ArienScorp

If someone wanted more than you could give, how would you feel? Probably not required to give them what they wanted simply because they wanted it, Needing a certain person that intensely is an illusion. The feelings are real, but so is the disconnected brain. You have found a type you would like. You can either change the bait or fish in a different pond. One requires you to change, the other for the type to change. If you’re always the friend and this is most unhappy, you need to discover what you are doing to get put in this… Read more »

Kat
Kat

Wellllll I dreamed that my dear dead sister came back zombie style and tried to get me to cross over. I fought her off a bunch of times – she tried choking/drowning/more choking and she finally gave up. I think Venus was opp my 12th House Moon/Neptune.

Hah hah! In still here. But I am on fire taking care of loose ends.Just to be safe…

Dreamed up a few dreamy dudes too–

Anonymous
Anonymous

Woah. That’s an intense dream!!

Charley
Charley

Wow, super intense!!

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

That Leto (?) kid likened love to a hurricane, & he’s either never been in a serious relationship or he doesn’t know his meteorological phenomenons. Hurricanes are pretty predictable. Tornadoes, on the other hand: that’s amore!

Unless Past is going to present me with a big, fat, no-strings-atttached cheque in the Present, I’m not interested in Past. Cmon Venus: don’t make me put my rings on.

Leo Loud and Proud
Leo Loud and Proud

OMG – I cannot believe this synchronicity! I posted that very same Tilda Swinton image on my Facebook page this morning. I LOVE IT! I’m struggling with a crush at the moment and I think I’m wearing the Oracle out. I don’t know why I’m crushing on this dude. He’s also a Leo – he was born on the 12th, my birthday is the 21st – is there something in the numbers? He makes me laugh, there’s huge mind alignment, he’s a bit edgy like me, but he’s just not contacting me or putting any work into seeing me. Arrrggh!… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

” he was born on the 12th, my birthday is the 21st – is there something in the numbers?”

Haha…. you are such a love zombie!!

Lux Interior is My Co-Pilot
Lux Interior is My Co-Pilot

Never chase a Leo–you’re a Leo, surely you know that?

Leo Loud and Proud
Leo Loud and Proud

Great advice except that if we’re both Leos and we’re both not chasing each other neither of us will ever get the other one :-/. What a pickle!

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

This explains why i hardly ever see any Leo-Leo pairings. πŸ™

S
S

I guess too much chasing and no loving.

S
S

Chasing in the Leo way, is what I mean.

Lux Interior is My Co-Pilot
Lux Interior is My Co-Pilot

Well I knew a Leo who loved it when you came on strong, then disappeared for a few weeks–the hot/cold (aka Katy Perry) treatment. That could work?

andromeda
andromeda

Whaat? Leo-Leo pairings totally work. Well for a time anyway.

Leo Loud and Proud
Leo Loud and Proud

Hmmm, thanks for the great comments EEL, S and Lux. I’ve actually nixed the contact anyway (not that I used to contact him constantly).
I thrive on being stroked and when I’m not getting attention it actually becomes quite tedious and I turn off. I could try the hot/cold act – but I’m not sure I really want to bother anymore. If he’s not interested in my awesome it’s his loss.

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