Sandy Hook

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Obviously what just occurred at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut is just hideous. I spent some time stuffing around with the charts of this, the Aurora “Batman” shootings, Columbine, Dunblane looking for, you know, astrological resonance. * But it’s just too sad & heartbreaking; i don’t really care what Mars or the Moon was doing on these awful days. It’s just too easy and heartbreaking to imagine the horror, the grief and if there is any take-home astro-message to this, it’s just the Zap Zone (Uranus square Pluto) again. Change has to happen & sooner, faster or more profoundly than it has happening now. This is not really a post that’s saying much – bless those poor little children, give their parents strength & may this sort of atrocity never occur again is the gist of it –  but you can share your thoughts etc here if you like.

* If i do find an article online that really wraps up all these sorts of events & cracks some insane astrological code, i’ll link to it on Twitter or somewhere as an f.y.i but the astrology of atrocity is not my core competency. Plus, you know, seriously w.t.f IS being done to nab these people before they go awry?  Mental health, gun control and even (as in the case of the recent homicide in Melbourne, Australia) characters who are known threats being kept off the streets. There is so much to do. Maybe Saturn in Scorpio during the Zap Zone IS when we and our leaders do it.

 

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Uranian&Plutonic Virgo
Uranian&Plutonic Virgo

Sent the most positive healing vibes into the Multiverse. The best (and succinct) comment about the tragedy, well, I came across it on Aquarius Papers (http://www.aquariuspapers.com/astrology/2012/12/a-meditation-at-a-tragic-moment.html): “Prayers also for the Shooter. Ho’oponopono phrase to repeat: “I am sorry. Please forgive me. I love you. I am grateful.” Dear shooter, I am sorry you were sucked into violent mental illness. Please forgive me for being part of the society that made your pain invisible. I love you, for you are a Divine Child just as I am. I am grateful, for in this way darkness is raised to light, to visibility,… Read more »

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

I finally found the love to connect to in this story. A photo of the first grade teacher named Victoria came across my FB stream. She hid her kids in the closet but didn’t hide herself and was gunned down. She was 27. She’ not angry or upset at all. She is really, really happy and honored that all her kids are safe. I guess teachers, some teachers, really do think of their students as their children. She did. And she has things to tell them, like “Everything is OK. These are grown-up problems. Any grown-up would have done what… Read more »

sweetpea
sweetpea

Yes, that’s lovely. Have had some huge cries today too 12th. Actually did a 6 mile walk today instead of three… But, later, as went to health food store for a few things, the desert is so beautiful today…The clouds moving slowly across the peppered, mountainess landscape and the palms moving, caressing the sky… Aw, I need a nap is all I can say. Hard to subsist on just a bit of Chardonnay and no food. 8th house Moon becomes overwhelmed with emo. A song came on about my Mother when she had died and am thinking about Toro…A 8th… Read more »

sweetpea
sweetpea

Lets see if the Toro, since picking up my pkg, ends up being a big fat fuqin cry baby extrodinaire..

I actually sense he is not. But proof in the puddin’ and all.. 😉

I’m kidding. This is not a shallow person, I know that or he would not have crossed my path.. Uh, sorry but I don’t do shallow unless I’m coming from farty pants perspective… 😆

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

I was crying yesterday realizing I never really had a father. Weird, deep, stuff coming to surface. My appetite has changed. Feeling really sensitive to smell still. So, I suspect something in the energy has really shifted. Somewhat massive readjustment going on.

sweetpea
sweetpea

Sorry about Father babe. Do you have Saturn retrograde by any chance? According to Noel Tyl, that’s a hallmark of an absentee father. It doesn’t mean he is physcially absent either tho…Maybe emo… My grandaughter has Saturn Rx and her bio father has been hugely absent but her step dad (Pisecs Sun, 8th…Leo Moon conjunct Saturn, 1st) , who adopted her, is quite present since she was four and I bless him for that. ~What if you should decide, that you don’t want me there in your life…that you don’t want me there by your side..How can you know it… Read more »

sweetpea
sweetpea

Song ‘What If”

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

I have Saturn in Cancer. I heard 12th house sun is the no-father astro signature and Saturn retro is problem with connecting. Anyway, my Dad was there but not in any way at all emotionally. He was like a strange robot.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Actually, he liked to bully people. Emotionally and psychologically.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

I think Sun represents father like Moon does mother. But Saturn kind of shows the lessons we learned from our fathers/authority. In my case, Cancer in the 10th house, emotional restriction and financial/social dependence.

Anonymous
Anonymous

12v does this link in some way with an absent “husband”? your relating patterns in love life?

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Ha! It sure does! In 2009, I got all love zombied out over a guy, but it was so much more than that. Root chakra-Kali energy or whatever was released. Hardcore. And I had God in my head. It was scary. Anyway, God/The Universe kept pressing me on what I wanted. I was all crying and just going with it and found myself saying I wanted to heal my Dad. It surprised me that I went there. And the Universe said “Heal yourself first.” Now, three years later and I haven’t talked to my Dad in two years. And I… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

WOW.. 12th I continue to stay in sync with you. Your story is SO close to mine. Although I am still trying to figure out if it is my Dad or eldest brother. Thanks for sharing.

xo!!

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Glad its useful! I’m feeling kind of pathetic, like “DUH! Did you REALLY think all that was your fault? Did you really think every time you were hurt you should expect to be ridiculed for it?”

Its hard to say what “normal” is around here. Really. Everyone is wounded. I just want to be nice to someone and have them be nice back. Being nice to you on the blog is OK, but it would be nice to find friendly people in real life too. 🙂

Anonymous
Anonymous

I know… I feel the same way. I don’t have best friends who I can call, be myself, be open and honest and they just understanding and being a friend. I try but it is not recipricated. So, I am alone, trying to build friendships that I can be comfortable with. I use to have friends I could rely on.. but hat has changed. I honestly feel understood and counseled with this group in MM’s blog. It’s my counseling center. Thank you Mystic! <3

xo!!

Anonymous
Anonymous

yes. it’s software that we wrote as little children and it’s no longer useful for us. I found a way out (am *finding* a way out, present tense) by looking at people who are in r’ships that are successful – ie loving, open, affectionate, present, caring – and in _recognising_ the deeply-placed sensations that I experienced in r’ships – wanting love, wanting acknowledgement, wanting to be heard and knowing that what I wanted MEANT SOMETHING to that person and they acted on it. it’s a massive deal. constantly chasing a figment / constantly chasing the love of a father (or… Read more »

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Feelings were weapons in my family. I never felt comfortable having any vulnerabilities. I mean, I guess no one does, but I just grew up armed on that point. Anyway, totally fits the pattern of falling for unavailable people. They can’t get close to me and they can treat me just like Daddy did – with complete indifference and a total take-it-or-leave-it, you’re-crazy vibe. Its so simple, yeah?

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

I really wish MM would post something new.

Anonymous
Anonymous

that’s how i feel whenever there’s a love zombie post

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

OMG – so unrelated, but I discovered my Mars in Libra – James Bond. The old movies. The world where villains had rules of engagement, and they were equally matched, almost with the same agendas, oddly, but in constant conflict and relentlessly stylish.

Real life is so much messier than that. I have a hard time sitting down or enjoying the taste of food.

I am giving myself a Bond-a-Thon tonight.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

The loss of lives was such a huge sacrifice and it comes at a time when sacrifice – change of seasons/stars aligning/religious holiday – was common. It’s like a permanent wound in the collective that will always stay open. Now, what in our collective soul would ask for a sacrifice like that? What do we project in our society that makes sacrifice the thing that gets us in tune with what we really value about life and the brief moment we have of being alive on this beautiful earth? These are Saturn/Pluto/Scorpio/Capricorn issues. It’s much easier to talk gun laws… Read more »

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

I’m trying to get on with fixing my house today, but the pain in the atmosphere is so heavy, such an open wound that its almost too simple to escape. Nothing complicated. Pure tragedy. That’s the problem I have with politicizing the event. Intellect is an escape from that pain. And it shouldn’t be escaped. It should be open because that’s where the love is, in the hurt. Politics will play on what changes in us because of this. But we first, how we greet that pain, are the change.

sweetpea
sweetpea

I had some tears today thinking of those poor little bodies laying there…I get teary just thinking about it.

Okay, out for a walk & for some fresh air.

If anything like that happened to my grandaughter, swear I would kill myself. Of course thats not going to help the issue but the pain…oh my gawd the pain would be unbearable.

sweetpea
sweetpea

But of course we just take that pain with us until we come back to process it and heal it…

“And the seasons, they go round and round.

And the painted ponies go up and down

We’re captive on the carousel of time”

Joni Mitchell, Circle Game

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

The dead innocent moved on. They aren’t in pain any longer. Its the grief of the living, the absolute shattering of trust/faith/certainty and confronting how quickly life can be taken from us. I mean, its one things in words. Its another in a mother’s heart. I feel the grief of the community, individual by individual. I don’t even read the news. And I really don’t know how to coach someone past that. True, its karmic and shocking for the young souls. And no doubt, they will have issues of trust and fear to face. As do we all. But how… Read more »

sweetpea
sweetpea

12th house we will have to agree to disagree and it’s okay darlin’ no problem. I know what I know thru my own experiences and those experiences are my truth.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

And I so totally respect you for that and really enjoy being disagreed with. Really.

sweetpea
sweetpea

haha, x

Quadrupled
Quadrupled

It is difficult to say anything meaningful, my heart goes to all parents who watch their children leave this world, wherever they live – in the States, in Yemen, in Afghanistan or in West Bank, or in Syria. There will be a time when these parents will talk on behalf of their children.

The Leo Socialite
The Leo Socialite

actually Luna, if you read what mystic posted she said she was not so interested in the astrology of this event, it was more about giving us a forum to share. i did not but appreciated the gesture. we are not idiots – we know that shit goes down all the time and this WAS particularly poignant. And as anon eloquently pointed out – this IS actually an astrology blog.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

This quote is going around Facebook and I think its a good one:

“When I was a boy and I would see scary things in the news, my mother would say to me, ‘Look for the helpers. You will always find people who are helping.’ To this day, especially in times of disaster, I remember my mother’s words and I am always comforted by realizing that there are still so many helpers – so many caring people in this world.” -Fred Rogers

fallen angel
fallen angel

That’s beautiful. Sometimes it’s in the worst of times that we can finally be our best.

aquasunbird
aquasunbird

The mother who equipped their child with a real offering, really gave with love and practical purpose hope to enable a child’s ability to think laterally out of a horrible challenging situation. I see many children, wonder often of their circumstances…Many of us adults but always a part of us a child too.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Can we speak about something light here? I mean, I don’t want to get political. A tragedy is a tragedy. But, I’ve never found a long term social solution to include taking away freedom for the sake of security. I just haven’t. I don’t know what would work. But the problem seems to me – at a spiritual level – extreme alienation. Who makes and buys guns? Humans do. Its done now. In the Seth books, he talks about a society before ours that bred the aggression out of the species and eventually died out. How does our society handle… Read more »

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

I agree with you 12th. I honestly feel that we are missing the point about these tragedies. xo!

AquaMeg
AquaMeg

12th house Virgo, this was brilliant and my thoughts exactly. I was working a temp job and a coworker kept complaining about how fuqed up everyone is. I had to repeatedly tell her, “No, we’re not. Have you ever gone to the grocery store and seen a crazy person? It’s just that’s what the media perpetuates.” Did you know that overall crime in every capacity has gone DOWN in the last 25 years but the media coverage of those same crimes has gone up by 500%? When the American media has to broadcast for 24 hrs a day AND pay… Read more »

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

“like”! 🙂

zinnia
zinnia

Well I used to see crazy people at the grocery store all the damn time when I lived in London. Thing is, due to the laws here, none of them had a gun.

Yeah, sure. “Guns don’t kill people”. They just make it a HELL of a lot easier for crazy people to kill people.

electric eel libran
electric eel libran

yes! this! As much as somethings feel like they re getting worse, things are better!

Anonymous
Anonymous

All of the “reality” TV shows celebrate humiliating,bullying shaming and marginalizing the “bad” person. This is the American equivalent of the lions eating humans. “Gotcha” justifies harsh critique and self-satisfaction at catching people in human foibles. It is nauseating. Parents wonder why kids go to school and treat classmates in the same callous way.Love and prayers to all who are missing lived ones in this winter season.

electric eel libran
electric eel libran

exactly! The way 911 was handled in regards to an overzealous homeland security is NOT the model we want to copy for this tragedy!

Lisa
Lisa

I remember reading about a pre-Aryan Goddess culture ; (so pre 2500 B.C) that was guided by 3 main rules , 1 of which was “Men shall not be allowed to carry arms “.They’d obviously figured out that when you put men and weapons together – you get problems .Basic stuff . i think we all accept that women would be more likely to talk things through .

cosmic fleece
cosmic fleece

I agree with you there Lisa, and was shocked to hear that the 3 guns kept in the house, of which 2 were used, in this horrific scene, were owned by the mother.

Luna
Luna

I feel as though you can’t really create an astrological transit related basis for a shooting because worse things happen on a REGULAR day basis. Women are sold as sex slaves by the millions, thousands of people go missing, killed, slaughtered and genocide is a daily occurrence.

Whats more is that many of these tragedies occur during “simple” transits like Mercury going Direct, yet no one says that those transits influence that bullshit in the world.

anon
anon

yes, but this is on a collective level thus the impact and interest. it’s an astrology blog after all so please don’t judge those who attempt to work out patterns.

Luna
Luna

Of course its an astrology blog! Even though I love astrology, I’m just criticizing something that appears to be very pigeon holed. I’m not judging anyone for liking astrology. I’m just challenging this niched tendency that comes up with events like these where we hone in on *which* transit or alignment influenced this when shit goes on every single day that doesn’t get nearly as much as attention or speculation that Uranus Squaring So&So in Pluto is responsible for it. Okay, this is GREAT that we’re looking at various factors that could’ve played a part here, but why are we… Read more »

anon
anon

Transits are only one aspect. For example, if you take a look at some of what sweetpea posted, people are looking at individual charts as well as the current transit. And as I said, this type of mass slaughter gets the attention of the collective whether that’s right or wrong, thus the interest. No one would deny atrocities happen every day.

I for one will not apologise for looking at the astrology of this incident on an astrology blog!

monte
monte

Lots of good arguments and discussions. But at the absolute very core here is – would the boy be able to wreak the kind of destruction he has done in Connecticut here in Australia.

Answer: Yes he could. But it would be highly unlikely.

You see, in Australia, hardly anyone has a gun. And that is not a problem! We don’t even think about it. Americans need to look outwards and realise that owning a gun is not a right. And it is not right either. There is something wrong with it.

Lisa
Lisa

Yes !

Anon
Anon

I’ve found all these comments hopeful and informative. To me it reaffirms that the world needs and wants to change but most of us are asking how ?? I think I have made a lot of changes on a personal level lately. Going through my Saturn return I have left a bullshit industry – real estate and now work part time in a charity and am about to study education and be a teacher. My son has a Capricorn moon, so I will take very seriously what a previous poster said about paying enough attention to your own child. However… Read more »

Anony_Aus/Lux Interior is My Co-Pilot
Anony_Aus/Lux Interior is My Co-Pilot

Thanks for not looking for astro-significance in this tragedy, MM. As soon as people start banging on about….well, new-agey stuff or their own personal theories about why heavy stuff happens for “spiritual” or “religious”reasons, my hackles go up. I find it disrespectful to the victims and their families. Common sense and compassion, not superstition and blame-slinging. The people most closely affected need to find their own answers, it’s not our place to be delving.

I agree that we should look to those in power (society writ large) and question the systems in place that enable such behaviour.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Perhaps the Luxe Interior Co-Pilot was not your best choice for the job ; because i think you’ve stumbled into the wrong place . Not sure if a site that deals with some of the more complex aspects of the ancient science of Astrology is the best place to be Complaining about people “banging on about New -Agey stuff ” , and getting your hackles up about others trying to make sense of the world ,the best way they can …with personal theories ( as opposed to borrowed ones i guess ). “Not our place to be delving ” ?Yikes… Read more »

Anony_Aus/Lux Interior is My Co-Pliot
Anony_Aus/Lux Interior is My Co-Pliot

To re-state my comment: the reason I read this site is precisely because MM refrains from such wankery. She is respectful, intelligent and sane.

By “spiritual blame-slinging” I don’t mean ill-applied astrology exclusively, but any kind of “spiritual” mumbo jumbo, from “God is punishing us for our sins” to “It’s Karma and they were all mongol warriors in a past life”.

Tropic of Scorp
Tropic of Scorp

Agree with you!! Hate all that spiritual mumbo jumbo too!
I’m interested in practical REAL life solutions.
Cap Asc! 🙂

Jules
Jules

Every time this happens (and lately, it happens a lot) I ask myself – why are we so enraged and alone and desperate now? Grew up in a poor rural area in the 80s. EVERYONE had hunting guns and pistols. Most had some trouble at home. Lots of substance abusing parents, no $$ — but no one ever shot each other. what was different? We weren’t medicated and early atari and MTV were the biggest media. We talked to each other. Our nervous systems were still analog…. Or maybe it is something else. Wish we knew.

Anonymous
Anonymous

I think the talking really is part of it Jules, social alienation is the worst outcome for any society. Once people believe that society cannot make space for them, does not value them and may be actively working agains their personal happiness then the social contract breaks down. It is the same here on a smaller scale, increasingly young people believe that opportunities to advance are blocked off from them. In the seventies there was a much smaller gap between the strata in society and much more movement between strata. Increasingly there are the mega wealthy and then a huge… Read more »

flashfire
flashfire

Wow. Exactly! Thank you Anon. You have so neatly, so eloquently encapsulated thoughts that have been trying coalesce in my brain for quite some time now and have provided me with even more food for thought.

The thing that hangs me up though is exactly what do we do about it on a concrete level? Is this just the painful part of a necessary evolution or is this merely the beginning stages of complete societal destruction? How do we know either way?

davidl
davidl

Message to all Americans. Please stop exporting weapons of mass murder to the world Please stop exporting your strange sick ‘reality’ culture to the world Please stop pumping yourselves and your children with pharma drugs Please stop selling guns to any person who decides they need one Please stop selling the world your take on ‘freedom’. Please stop, for your own sake, and for ours. The fiscal cliff looms and all those billionaires still hold their dollars close while 30% of the population goes sick and hungry. I say jump. Go on jump ! For any of you that still… Read more »

pjjahan@aol.com
pjjahan@aol.com

David, please don’t put me in with that lot luv…What the hell ya doin’ darl…Okay, I get it but geeze honey x

davidl
davidl

The truth hurts Sweetpea.
But you have to understand what those outside the states see.
The facts speak for themselves. The effects so obvious when on the outside looking in.
In Australia we care about you guys, see you as brothers and sisters, and just as its hard to see a brother damaged and in pain it’s hard not to want to shake you guys and say wake up !!

sweetpea
sweetpea

Davey, I get that, but I am not them.When you say all Americans, I’m just asking you to not generalize too much is all.

Is this our first fight? lol

Why two Aries should never get married, or even go there…Just joking. I love you..It’s all cool…x

And I don’t care really…The Toro has gotten my gift package and I’m really more focued on love and the personal transformation I’m going thru.

To rise up is with personal transformation and enlightenment. Thats the only revolution that will work.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

“America” doesn’t exist. People do.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Exactly, first thing is to separate the ideas of freedom and Nationalism.
Flag waving, flag worship, it’s all separation and a way to commit the most horrible and dishonourable in the name of ones country.
Beware of those that drape themselves in the flag, there lurks a scoundrel or some type of nationalist zombie.

davidl
davidl

Exactly, first thing is to separate the ideas of freedom and Nationalism.
Flag waving, flag worship, it’s all separation and a way to commit the most horrible and dishonourable in the name of ones country.
Beware of those that drape themselves in the flag, there lurks a scoundrel or some type of nationalist zombie.

Darrell
Darrell

Oh, & I just noticed the word “connect” also in the name of this state Connecticut…. ie. We are all “connected”.. says the Universe to us all at this time.. Yet, another reminder.. connecting with the heart within us all.. “The Children”, we are all children, deep within us all.. If not a little wounded by the harchsness of Life at times.. ie. Mercury in Sagittarius, currently also squaring *Neptune-Chiron in Pisces… Also, being emphasised by also being squared by the recent Gemini Lunar Eclipse!!! Remember, “we” are all “connected”…

Darrell
Darrell

Although as for facing the “harsh realities of life”.. of course this is more connected with Saturn in Scorpio sextile Pluto in Capricorn….. But the Neptune & Chiron in Pisces, point to the deep wounds within the our Collective human Soul & or psyche….

spidervillain
spidervillain

something profound needs to change? im glad it takes some mass shooting of subruban white kids dying when individual kids die in the ghetto here in chicago every day. obamas from here and i dont see any tears for them. or the kids who he drops bombs on in the middle east. everybody cares when its rich kids dying, then people say we need a change, god damn

hiddendragonqueen
hiddendragonqueen

i know, i share your frustration. where are the 500 facebook prayer chains for the chicago gangland kids, or the homeless kids freezing unseen in vans in winter, or the philippino kids killed in the typhoon last week, or the children of homs, or iraq, or everywhere else they are expendable collateral damage? only when they look like us it seems do we see them. that is another huge lesson. 🙁 i pointed this out on facebook and was promptly unfriended by a few yesterday. whatever.

Pegasus
Pegasus

I read all till here & my thoughts were the same as yours. Syria!
Hideous that children are being attacked every which way, if not killed then molested.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

I immediately thought of drone attacks and how many children lost from wars. But why share a tally like that, you know?

andromeda
andromeda

Well I don’t claim to know so much about this topic, just from what I read and hear from American friends. Re gun control the US runs the world’s arms trade, and the world drug trade, that is known and written about. Like, when the US invaded Afghanistan there was a great drop in the amount of heroin on the market due to the disturbance of invasion. Within a short time they had the farms running better than ever and the heroin market today is prospering. The soldiers guard the fields while Afghani’s labour. From what I understand though, over… Read more »

sweetpea
sweetpea

LIked your post Andie…. Those police paid by the banksters to harass the protesters really pisses me off but then the whole thing got only minimal tv coverage in the first place…hello? And the peeps that think that they can have arms to rebel if it turns into a total police state, don’t think they’d really stand a chance. But really, I posted some long while ago that my nephew is in the Marine Corp and if you aren’t willing to shoot on American citizens, they ship you off to Afghanistan. And yes about the drugs and alchohol. I leaned… Read more »

sweetpea
sweetpea

The reason why there would be destruction is because of the tension between Source and creation. The rigidity of creation that is not flowing with Source.

There is great power (higher consciousnes from Source) that would like to manifest here and bring this reality up a notch to the fourth dimension but it can’t because the state the world is in, that power would literally obliterate everything.

Anyway, I won’t go on about all that. I keep sharing stuff here that I really need to be writing about and that is my goal next year…that and meditating like hell..

andromeda
andromeda

Yes, I agree, while the original intention of those that created the constitution was to keep the power in the hands of the population, well, a few machine guns against the sound weapons, drones and bombs of today.. dunno. Ha, meditate like hell, lol! Am unsurprised but saddened by yr neph’s report there. Gloom & doom is dull, but apathy is the worst. I too try to be optimistic and loving. I wish there were more spiritual people in our communities to help the souls move on though. The priest at the last mass I went to was swirling with… Read more »

hiddendragonqueen
hiddendragonqueen

did anybody look at his birth chart that sweetpea posted above? ceres in aqua, chiron in leo, sun in taurus turned into a massive square by tr. saturn. pluto/moon on his moon, uranus on his merc., mars on his nept/uranus, nn on his pluto. any one of those is a hard transit- put them all together… this kid needed a mm support system more than anyone in the world. 🙁 i’m with fallen angel that what we need politically are locally specific regulations that address the psychological need for self-sufficient security. without acknowledging this, the gun control debate becomes a… Read more »

sweetpea
sweetpea

Hey Hidden,

And if one looks at the chart, also note trans Mars on his Uranus square his Aries Venus..

Venus of course, besides the Moon, is a sign of the feminine (killing his Mother)..

And, as someone on that forum (where the chart is) noted, his Sun square Chiron…

hiddendragonqueen
hiddendragonqueen

oh i missed the venus-mars sq. chiron opp ceres being squared by saturn was what got me- saturn on ceres was the worst incident of my life. i guess uranus was squaring his nodes too. and venus on his pluto a few days before. so much pain.

inger
inger

This past week has been–wow–F——d.
But it’s not about gun control, the guy in China did it with a knife…all children in both incdences were between the age of 5-11 WTF. Same number of casualties in both ???
Sandy the hurricane now Sandy Hook school in the same area of USA ??
Always remember…”Your hidden enemy is always a friend, they know you well enough to know what you’ll do when confronted….a total stranger won’t mess with you as badly, because he doesn’t know if your armed or not!”

RA
RA

But they lived. That’s the point – yes, people can still commit crimes against others but the scale of devastation and loss is diminished significantly when guns aren’t used.

Lots of people say – well, we can’t ban guns because it won’t stop anything, someone can still use a knife – yeah, but all those kids in China are still alive.

Surely minimizing harm is preferable to not doing anything at all?

Anonymous
Anonymous

ssssooo many comments i not had time to read yet, i just turned the rv on and its thunderbirds is on, aquarious moon, its all so surreal and nothing seems real anymore this year has been TOO MUCH now these latest killings is URANUS in ARIES waking us up to the fact that the gun law has to change or it will just keep going on but its already out of control. I just feel this overwhelming sense of gratitude that even though australia has problems , no the gun thing. Can u imagine if u could get a gun… Read more »

Lisa
Lisa

Yes .

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Chiron doesn’t heal. Chiron is the open wound that doesn’t ever get better.

sweetpea
sweetpea

I don’t agree 12th. Of course everything can heal. It must. That is the destiny of humanity.

anoon
anoon

Chiron was, de facto, a healer and mentor/master teacher. His name is carried on through “chiro”practic. I admit there’s a paradox, initially, in Chiron issues: you feel as if you cannot heal from your own wound but instead you help others who share a similar wound. That is the first expression of awareness. But awareness of pain IS a teacher. Being blind to your weaknesses only perpetuates the harm. If the Chirotic pain is still a great wound, unhealed, I wonder what is happening. Certainly nature shows us a desire for healing, for completion, for wholeness. I doubt very much… Read more »

sweetpea
sweetpea

Those are good points.

To me, the deepest wound is where we feel seperated from God, or our Source…All That Is.

That is the deepest Soul wound that each individual must heal but it can be healed through enlightenment..or simply evolving back (we devolved a long time ago)..to our original state of light and grace and being what our truest expression of Source is thru us.There are no wounds in that state…only blissful Beingness.

Pain is not natural and mankind made pain, not Source.

My truths anyway and what I have come to know thru my own Chironic healing journey.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

That a dualistic view. I can’t really talk around it. Humanity is totally trained to favor intellect over feeling. And part of the “healing” path is to allow feelings to be, painful or not. And that’s what Chiron does.

Anonymous
Anonymous

i just read this from ASTRO SPARKLE Talk, discuss, delve, question – and seek answers. And there is support in today’s astrology with MERCURY currently square to CHIRON and separating from the trine to URANUS. We have been delivered shocking, upsetting news all too easily – and now we must address the wound, the Collective Wound, as difficult as it is. A huge blow has been dealt, personally to the victims and their families and communities, and to the collective. The wound is raw and aggravated – and there is potential uprising and rebellion in the air as a result… Read more »

andromeda
andromeda

Good one.

Fury LittleCross
Fury LittleCross
aquagem
aquagem

I was thinking about this last night and thought how wonderful it would be if America now really tightened gun control. Might be the beginning of a new era on earth. And perhaps the black market etc too loaded with weapons, what about stopping the sale of ammo? There’s a great skit by Chris Rock about this.
Poor litle kids and their families. It’s really time for change now.
I don’t care how frightened people in the States are. It only took one massacre for the establishment of gun control in Australia. And ones more than enough!

Amanda aka AbsintheDragonfly
Amanda aka AbsintheDragonfly

A couple of links:

Margaret and Helen hit the nail on the head again: http://margaretandhelen.com/2012/12/15/guns-do-not-kill-people-they-make-it-easier-to-kill-people/

How to diffuse the extremist irrational argument, and actually HAVE a conversation about guns in America: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/14/1170161/-Weaponizing-speech

Liz
Liz

The shooter’s mother must have seen some red flags but you know it can be impossible here in the US to get someone 18 or over the mental health care they need if the person is not cooperating or compliant with their meds. 20 years is prime time for certain mental health issues to flourish.

Bluesky
Bluesky

Whatever happened in their home sounds like a separate yet horrific tragedy in and of itself. So sad.

Aquariscorp
Aquariscorp

This incident really hits hard upon us Americans due to us being a Cancer sign nation. We are all about the importance of family. This incident has heightened my motherly instinct to protect my daughter and give her extra love right now. 🙂

Charley
Charley

Unimaginably sad on many levels.

electric eel libran
electric eel libran

how is it places like switzerland which arms nearly all of its citizens has less mass murders per capita than the u.s.? Even Canada has less than the u.s. and they watch the same violent shows and video games. A person who quoting stats said 48% of guns obtained for these rampages were obtained legally and that mental illness played a role. Common sense says make better screening process to keep guns from getting into the hands of people who aren’t well. Also give better care to the mentally ill. I don’t see how taking guns away from law abiding… Read more »

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Good point EEL. Totally agree with you.

zinnia
zinnia

Switzerland is a small, socially homogenous country with little poverty and universal healthcare. Very different from the US.

Canada has tougher gun laws than the US.

I don’t know anyone who owns a gun. Why do most Americans need a shotgun and pistol as a bare minimum?

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

The last 2 things poverty and health care is exactly why we have problems in the U.S. We should DEF improve gun laws and make it harder to get a gun, but taking all guns away is not a solution. We tried that with 9/11 and the only thing we have found is people get more creative trying to blow up stuff AND that the peeps who have been caught have been caught through the vigilance of common citizens NOT through xray screening or any of that crap. Depends where you live in the U.S. If you live in rural… Read more »

Liz
Liz

Most of the Americans that I know, including me, extended family, and all of my friends do not own any firearms – not even for hunting. Please don’t believe all of the sensationalized crap you see churned out by Hollywood and tabloid media about US citizens.

sweetpea
sweetpea

Yes, my son in law (republican by the way) and God love him, but he suggested I get a gun for what he sees, as someone above noted people are investing in for the coming “unrest,”…But I won’t do it. It is just not my reality.

Jezus, I’m a massage therapist. I’ll rub the fuq outta you and kill you that way 😉

sweetpea
sweetpea

Altho I must be honest here and not a hypocrite, I did feel a bit threatend when I was taking the bus a week ago and this young man came up with a beer in his hand and was a little too friendly. I said “I have a weapon on me”….Cuz I didn’t know what he was up to and it was dark and I was alone. I then wondered if I should carry at least a steak knife on me…ha, thats all I had..I didn’t but yeah, interesting. I was out there in the world way more than I… Read more »

sweetpea
sweetpea

I thought about Ms. and her “flicks blade” comments…A small switchblade to hide descretely on a girl may not be a bad idea, no?

Maybe just carry the pepper spray and burn the fuqers eyeballs 😯

sweetpea
sweetpea

Because it’s true..violence may not be a part of our reality but it is a part of others…

Some would say, well, but if you create your own reality, you don’t need protection but Seth in Seth Speaks said “well, of course use common sense and lock you doors at night”.

I’m still a bit torn on the whole thing.

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

I have a gun. I leave it at home where it belongs. I wouldn’t bother carrying a knife. It’s just something else assailants can turn against you. Ditto pepper spray on a windy day. Just take some martial arts.

sweetpea
sweetpea

haha, good point. I don’t carry pepper spray or anything.

Have always wanted to do some martial arts. Have felt my back fusion, etc would limit me but there are some moves I guess a person could learn, you know some basics of self protection.

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

I think you’d enjoy martial arts training!
Find a good instructor in your area. There are even classes for students who are wheel chair bound or have to use a cane.
The mind is the best weapon of all. srsly.

Pegasus
Pegasus

Carrying a knife in Oz is called ‘carrying a concealed weapon’ = illegal.

sweeetpea
sweeetpea

haha, yeah, I really couldn’t carry a steak knife legally either.

but knitting needles?

I remember after 911 I was leaving out of Munich and they let me on with a cheese grater…thought, hmm, i grate someone to death…

sorry if this seems crass…maybe a few giggles help us?

but think because of my last name, Persian and all, they took me aside and check my bag, twice.

Bluesky
Bluesky

I think you should go Ninja:)

Liz
Liz

At most I’d carry pepper spray unless I frequented a war zone. I’m a sort of lightning rod for kooks & drunks (maybe my Pisces Ascendant Chiron Venus Bacchus at work?!) and had several sudden confrontations over the years. I’ve used “Run! The cops are comin’!” and (loudly) “Hey! Are we gonna have a problem?”.
Both work.

sweetpea
sweetpea

~run, the cops are coming~ haha good one

mitra
mitra

I thought you liked your bus trip :):) Drunken guys sliding up to you on a bus is pretty unpleasant, but isn’t it easier just to say excuse me and move up the front of the bus? I’ve not tried the ‘I have a weapon’ tactic, but I don’t think I’d be that scared of the man or I would think that by saying that I was making the situation worse. What was the fella’s response when you said that? I was dating someone for a while who I discovered carried a knife when I was tidying up his jeans… Read more »

sweetpea
sweetpea

Oh no mitra,

It was after 8:00 at night and at the bus stop waiting….I was sitting on a bench with my notebook listen to Queen Radio Ga Ga lol and dude walks up with his beer in one hand and just came on a bit too strong.

He eneded up cool and I took his extended hand…He was an Aquarius lol

haha I DID actually have fun riding the bus that week and might do it again just for the hec…hehe

mitra
mitra

I was going to ask you if he was Aqua. Gotta watch them tricksters 🙂 🙂

Anyway, now you’ve told me that I don’t think you should be catching the bus at night. Bus stop entrapment is hideous.

Lisa
Lisa

YES ! I had a Scottish client once who said “I f only we’d known about Holistic Facial therapy at the Battle of culloden ! we could have sent out a team of massage therapists onto the field 1st – the endglish would have been annihilated !”

sweetpea
sweetpea

😆

Liz
Liz

“I’ll rub the fuq outta you” =]

mitra
mitra

Can’t see you with a gun somehow, sweet pea 🙂

Raché (Aqua/Tauri)
Raché (Aqua/Tauri)

It’s intergenerational.

My dad lives in California, votes for Obama, thinks the Republicans are whackos but has several guns because….he grew up in Alabama! And that’s just the way it is. And the men in the family protect the family.

So yeah…I really think guns are either specifically used for criminal purposes or part of an intergenerational line of macho thought. Which is weak.

Really curious to know why the kid’s mom had so many…

Anonymous
Anonymous

Can you quote your source on that statistic – most Swiss citizens are armed?

andromeda
andromeda

The Swiss military is interesting: “Besides being the most heavily armed population in the world, the Swiss also have one of the lowest crime rates”. Basically the entire nation is an army.

I like Richard J. Maybury’s ‘Uncle Eric Books’. They are really simple and should be part of the high school syllabus, but they never will be as they are passionately …educational.

Goat
Goat

I have a gun for the sole purpose of putting native animals out of their misery if they have been run over and left by the side of the road to suffer. Before this I saw no purpose to own a gun as I never lived in a rural area. As I was reading through the comments I thought society can be a cold place and that it would be good if distressed peeps had some welcoming place they could go in every community where they could get soothing and true support from other people. My heart goes out to… Read more »

sweetpea
sweetpea

Hey Goat, I like your name…

One of my Taurus male patients, when the massage hurts he says funny things like “goat hoofs” and curses in animal talk lol

Goat
Goat

Thanks, Sweets, i’ve done some decluttering, lol, but we’ve talked before. I love your description of the desert, i got a clarifying vibe of what it might be. I hope the sun gently evaporates those tears and lifts your heart as you go on your daily walks. I agree with what you say about Chiron, it is Humanity’s destiny to heal. For me, my greatest wound was to do with my mum and dad, esp. my mum. I have Chiron on Asc in Pisces and conj. Sat opp Pluto conj Uranus in Virgo. Chart is a grand cross splash. If… Read more »

fuzzyfishy
fuzzyfishy

Mystic, thank you so much for this.

david5379
david5379

here is the best argument made about all this I have found in the link below,
http://www.salon.com/2012/12/14/jason_alexanders_amazing_gun_rant_2/

it shouldnt be this easy to get guns, in texas theres this super obvious loophole were you can literally get as many guns as you can buy without even really needing much more than standard ID, if anything should be a pain in the ass regulation laden process to do, it should be buying guns

david5379
david5379

also another good one about the data around these things http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/14/nine-facts-about-guns-and-mass-shootings-in-the-united-states/ “When we first collected much of this data, it was after the Aurora, Colo. shootings, and the air was thick with calls to avoid “politicizing” the tragedy. That is code, essentially, for “don’t talk about reforming our gun control laws.” Let’s be clear: That is a form of politicization. When political actors construct a political argument that threatens political consequences if other political actors pursue a certain political outcome, that is, almost by definition, a politicization of the issue. It’s just a form of politicization favoring those who prefer… Read more »

Ruth
Ruth

In Western Australia one has so sit an exam, lot’s of paperwork and have half a police station come to your house to inspect your gunsafe! And that’s just for an air-rifle!

Link
Link

If there were no guns, nobody would get shot.

I find it difficult to accept that people unquestioningly take it as a given that we need guns (because) some people *need* to be shot. We so breezily forget the first commandment. I was so glad to discover the word hypocrisy when I was a nine year old it explained so much about life on earth with people.

electric eel libran
electric eel libran

try taking guns away from the police or army. in areas with no guns, people get stabbed.

Bluesky
Bluesky

I don’t think anyone has suggested taking guns away from police or the army–or from citizens. Unless I missed something here. Perhaps the finer distinctions are lost here. The issue is not rounding up all guns from citizens, police and the army and throwing them in the ocean or some pit somewhere. Did anyone say that? I am just checking because I don’t read every single post. I don’t think I have ever heard anyone suggest that. It’s an unusual idea. Would make a good short story–like a writing prompt for a Ray Bradbury-esque script. Anyway, what I HAVE heard… Read more »

DeepSeaBloke
DeepSeaBloke

My thoughts about the astro … Think again about the astro for Friday 14 December 2012. The theme of the day could be described as “emboldened” in times of “sudden change”. Fantastic for biz. Excellent for busting through stuff and fast tracking projects. In other words, great for functioning, self-aware peeps. Uranus going direct. Disruption for some, breakthrough for others. The current Pluto theme is all about old, worn-out business (in the general sense) being brought swiftly to an end. Saturn defines what form the end will take. Scorpio adds a “psycho-sexual” twist. I imagine this guy enraged by some… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

thank you for taking the time to focus on the astro, that was interesting.

aquasunbird
aquasunbird

The capricorn / scorpio yod to lillith over retrograde jupiter moving (while moon passes over pluto) I think mirrors in part aspects of this tragedy… I think of children and learning in gemini…but know little of lillith and fixed stars being spoken about in more detail. Learning and institutions and the ideologies accompanying or coming out of the experiences, whether traumatic, valid or corrupted is of great concern. Children as sacrifice is taboo, very sad, perhaps someone’s vendetta. What of the mother’s ending as the school suffers too. Schools as places of rites of passage, not as safe as we… Read more »

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Sorry people it is NOT a guns fault for these tragedies. A gun cannot walk, talk or decide. It is a human being who takes these steps. Everyone in the US is being challenged for not having a job, they are angry and have no money to help themselves or their family. Once this happens mental illness takes over. Especially if they are brought up in a family environment where inconsistency of love and mentoring is absent. They will seek other avenues for attention. Unfortunately within the last couple of years it has been mass shootings. I have been crying… Read more »

fallen angel
fallen angel

Virgo Ellie, I’m glad your nephew’s safe and I agree with valuing the now, absolutely. I don’t think anyone is saying it’s the guns fault, but that the availability and access to guns presents a pathway of even more exponential danger. Yes, guns are inert – which is why in effect their manufacture and distribution can be easier to control in comparison to mental illness or poor choices. We can say the same thing about money, it doesn’t equal greed even if it’s abuse leads to that. No one’s about to ban the freedom to trade, but should we regulate… Read more »

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Thank you! I see your point. xo!

Anonymous
Anonymous

if this young man didn’t have access to an arsenal we wouldn’t be talking about this tragedy.

the US is alone in it’s lax gun laws, and alone in it’s astronomically high statistics on violent deaths from guns. the math is really quiet simple.

i feel so very sorry for you that you cannot see the truth and are blinded by an overzealous love of guns over children.

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Yes, agreed. I think the US needs to manage the gun distribution. Not ban them. I get tired of innocent competent people being controlled because of individuals who have no concept about others. It’s up to use as individuals to understand that others should be more important than ourselves which means we need to look out for others not kill them because we are angry. The US is filled with angry US citizens!

Thank you!

Anonymous
Anonymous

I agree! I live in an affluent suburb and DAILY am menaced by super aggressive drivers. People driving with aggression and entitlement. I yield constantly to avoid a crash. In our community a son attacked his family with baseball bats- killed the dad. Drugs and feeling marginalized were factors. Guns would have meant five funerals instead of one. A grandmother shot and killed her grandson a few weeks later. How can we rehab and heal our families?

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

It is speculated that the young man may have a mild form of autism or other mental illness. He does not represent the average law abiding U.S. citizen at all.

How about just keep guns away from people
who are not certified to own them? (i.e. change laws to be more limiting) I mean how hard is that? We do that with cars.

The problem with people who want to abolish all guns is that they assume the worst of humanity….that no one can be trusted with a gun.

anoon
anoon

I’m confused about your statement. It seems to me that you implies that persons with autism aren’t average law abiding citizens.

Is that what you meant to say?

anoon
anoon

Autism is not a mental illness. I think it’s dangerous to conflate the two. You might as well call dyslexia a mental illness.
There are co-morbidities, to be sure, and some are mental illnesses, but autism is not a mental illness in itself. It is a neurological disorder.

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

Sorry, bad wording on my part. I hit reply too soon before corrections. Regardless of whether he has asperger’s or mental illness, he wasn’t fit to be using a firearm. PERIOD.

It’s also not my place to make that judgement whether asperger’s or autistic can hold jobs where firearm use is possible or necessary.

I am merely stating that NOT everybody should have a gun.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Thanks for the clarification. I’m seeing some very cruel, uninformed and bigoted statements about autism because of what certain news outlets are reporting about the gunman.
Your original statement was strikingly similar to theirs.

Why this family felt it necessary to own a semi-automatic rifle is BEYOND me. And body amour, for goddess’ sake! Is this standard equipment for recreational gun use?

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

oh totally! My bad on that. YOu have every right to be POed.

Why do people *need* body armor if you live in the U.S. and aren’t a soldier or police officer? I don’t get it myself.
I also feel there are things we don’t know about the shooter’s familly. Like why that woman had the stuff to begin with. I feel like things are being left out like about the dad and the other brother too.

andromeda
andromeda

Thank you for picking up on this and clarifying..

electric eel libran
electric eel libran

thank you virgo ellie! a breath of common sense! guns don’t kill people by themselves.

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Phew.. I honestly thought I was alone on my thought. It is amazing to see how everyone is looking at the gun as the cause for yesterday and other tragedies. It burns my britches. xo!

electric eel libran
electric eel libran

i’m as liberal as i can be on so many things like i’m pro-choice, pro-living wage, etc… but i don’t believe in taking away rights from people for no good reason. I do however believe in limiting who can have a gun and how powerful that firearm is. I think the u.s. needs better health care more than it needs gun reform. It also needs better social support than what is being shown. Those are the roots of the problem. If those are improved, there will be less killings. The Swiss have more guns per capita and less killings.

Lisa
Lisa

” taking away rights ” ? Yikes .The kids sure had their rights taken away .So who should have a gun ? And should it be used for something other than killing someone ? does it have another use that I’m not seeing .Sorry , bloody australians , we just don’t get it .

sweetpea
sweetpea

No, I said that above too in my own comments.

But I agree with Fallen Angel that even tho that is so, unfortuneately society has a lot of issues and they shouldn’t be so readily avail.

Bluesky
Bluesky

It is not the nuclear warhead’s fault, either Nor the napalm Nor the mercury in the water Nor the MSG I don’t think guns are necessarily on “trial” here, but they are a currency of sorts–which is the issue. The swift currency of high capacity, military style weapons in the US is difficult to defend. Please someone defend that. I have yet to hear someone pose a reasonable opinion on why the average layperson, as in people (the ones who do the harm), should be allowed such easy access to weapons designed for massive carnage. Yes, there are other issues… Read more »

me
me

* reason

fallen angel
fallen angel

Yes, it IS guns. And a pretty stubborn perversion of the 2nd amendment i.e. Right to bear arms, which when it was written then later adopted, had no actual mention of guns, and was done so in perspective of the right to defend under the conditions of conflict that existed at the time. Really, this is horses and bayonets all over again. I’m not saying that making guns more difficult to access equates to a complete disappearance of public massacres, as cases in China have shown. Whether the motivation is retaliation, revenge, mental illness or political statement, it’s clear that… Read more »

me
me

Kudos for Fallen Angel. A stalwart of reaon, intelligence and compassion. Someone to make us think 🙂

fallen angel
fallen angel

Gee, thanks. The entire thing is heartbreaking, but there seems to be such a fear of defenselessness that once gun policy is questioned, it’s an immediate back lash. It needs to be clear that the advocacy for gun policy isn’t about nullifying the 2nd amendment completely, there ARE certain areas such as the border towns near Mexico which would put citizens in grave danger if they don’t have a means of defense. But does this mean guns? Does this mean a one-size fits all policy? It needs to be addressed intelligently on both federal and state levels, and where there… Read more »

StayStrongandStrive
StayStrongandStrive

I cried reading the news article on CNN and Baracks speech … The world mourned the loss of those poor souls

numoon
numoon

peace & prayers to everyone involved.

me
me

Ditto. And a lot of love x

prowlncrab
prowlncrab

America just can’t let go of it’s colonial Wild West past. It still trades in that image as if it’s relevant in contemporary society. It’s about time it reframed who it is as a global citizen and do away with some of its more blatantly uncivilised and “not becoming of a 1st world nation” ideology – such as the right to own a gun. If Australia can get over its image of itself as the global bogan then the US can get over its images the global bully.

hiddendragonqueen
hiddendragonqueen

ah, and half the country wants to do just that. it’s the other half…

Anonymous
Anonymous

quit hatin’ on my country, yo, especially when right now we should all just be quiet and sending love and light to those who are dead and those who survive them

Lisa
Lisa

The search for solutions is a positive response to an unnatural situation .It’s not “hatin on ” your country .I think the guy with the gun is the one you should be worried about .

hiddendragonqueen
hiddendragonqueen

i have to agree that guns are a bit of a red herring. they will not be banned outright- the market is too big and to truly do it military guns would have to be banned also. it’s a nice ideal but it is a fantasy. the culture of violence is what underlies it- guns, video games, isolation, nihilism, materialism, lack of meaningful rite-of-passage rituals, overabundance of psychotropic drugs. take away guns and you won’t have would-be shooters knifing people. you’ll have homemade bombs, homemade chemical weapons. this is not something that can be legislated away.

equilibrium girl
equilibrium girl

But other first world countries have all the same temptations, mental illness, DVDs, games, etc etc that America does but we don’t have these frequent shooting massacres. And we don’t subsequently have crazy homemade stuff or other methods of violence going on any worse than anywhere else in the absence of guns. The US needs to see that a change in legislation and an end to rampant gun ownership will reduce deaths and probably the easy culture of violence that accompanies it. No, it won’t make unicorns appear and bring peace to humankind but it will be a start to… Read more »

hiddendragonqueen
hiddendragonqueen

yeah, i’d like that to be true, and who knows, it might happen. it could be a generational thing-as the elders die off the younger more ipad susceptible ones take their place. it could happen, you’re right. i may be overly pessimistic as i live in rural california and am daily shocked by just about everything. i think what we need to be talking about is psychotropic drugs. all the other cultural stuff is just that, culture. doesn’t take an awkward lost teenager, who really needs a good year of a vision quest to ease the postmodern ennui, and turn… Read more »

Lisa
Lisa

There you go .That’s a start . The Vision quest could be a compulsory part of High School .

sweetpea
sweetpea
Raché (Aqua/Tauri)
Raché (Aqua/Tauri)

Serious question about gun restriction though — with the tightening of drug laws, drugs are still everywhere. Do you guys really think that laws would change that? And in the event of an emergency…hurricane, earthquake, totalitarian state…wouldn’t you be somewhat afraid to be without a gun? I feel like if guns were ilegal people would get really paranoid and purchase them illegally, a huge underground gun trade would open up. Contraband = new markets, less accountability (registration of firearms). As I said, anti-gun person here, but if we’re gonna push for that we have to look at all sides I… Read more »

hiddendragonqueen
hiddendragonqueen

yes, i’m not sure that australians quite grasp how bound up american culture and firearms are. if this country has a flashpoint they are it. clearly if we haven’t yet even significantly tightened regulations after what, 37 school shootings in the last 20 years, the impetuous is not there. the nra etc is often painted as extremist but they are much more representative than i at least as a anti-gun person would like to admit. the paranoia runs deep and absolutely, the back market would explode. it may be morally wrong and maddening but that’s the framework we have to… Read more »

hiddendragonqueen
hiddendragonqueen

*black

anon
anon

I think Australians are VERY aware!!

Ruth
Ruth

Thanks for that, and yes, we probably don’t ‘get’ the fear factor. I just think one has to earn the right to bear arms, as an individual and perhaps things can change from the ground up by making it more difficult to get guns in the first place. No one is going to tackle the NRA, not even the prez. I had to sit an exam for an air rifle..it’s just so sad

anon
anon

Why on earth do you need a freakin’ gun in an earthquake or a hurricane!!!?

Look at both sides? yeah right….. and wait for the next massacre.

hiddendragonqueen
hiddendragonqueen

um, for the aftermath… looters and such… it may not be true but perception and fear is the driver.

Link
Link

One of the starkest differences in our approach to guns is that some Americans claim they feel less safe without a gun whereas Australians tend to feel less safe if somebody has a gun. This idea that you need to protect yourself by shooting people is really hard to accept. The thought that some people are so crazy that the only way to deal with them is shoot them? Makes the shooter look equally as bloody nuts. I listened to Eric Francis the other day, he mentioned his growing unease as he’s watched Ixion and Pholus slowly come into conjunction.… Read more »

fallen angel
fallen angel

Funny that Link.. it’s like what my Scorp Rising Cancer GF says about “black vs white” neighborhoods. There’s a lot of danger perceived when people go thru African American neighborhoods here or the “hood” so to speak but the truth is, plenty of African Americans feel nervous when they’re driving/working thru a predominantly white area.

In fact, they have a consciousness of potentially being accused for a crime or wrong doing to such a point where they can’t relax in that environment. Interesting how things contrast that way.

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Actually all colors are being scrutinized. I was in line at the airport last w/e standing with a girl in front of me who liked like she came from the “hood”.. she is white. The TSA agent was giving her such a hard time. This girl had a bit a “tude” but I was standing right behind her and the TSA agent just waved me thru without hesitation. It has nothing to do with color. It has to do with attitude, appearance and responses. Anyone in authority will pick up on it quickly to react if something happens. You cannot… Read more »

fallen angel
fallen angel

Well, I was actually pointing out that we often don’t realize that the dangers we perceive are also being perceived of us. Not authority per se, but perception entrenchment and how people navigate their lives around their understanding of that. For instance, I have an African American GF whose grandson goes to a predominantly caucasian school – very happily as she says. However, she felt it necessary to talk to him about being conscious of dating in that community, and the potential danger of being accused of the worse should anything go slightly awry. But you could also take that… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

“It has nothing to do with color.” I was so incensed when I read this last night that I was shaking. I have never read anything so callously ignorant on this site before. People are profiled on the basis of both race and perceived class, the fact that the latter happens does not argue against the former. The fact that people of colour are stopped and searched/ questioned at hugely increased rates compared to white people regardless of class has been established beyond doubt, it isn’t a matter of opinion, it is simple fact. You are blinded by privilege, luxuriating… Read more »

Lisa
Lisa

Natural disasters in Australia seem to be more associated with humans bonding and coming forward to help each other out .

prowlncrab
prowlncrab

Well here I don’t agree … the tightening of drug laws means that drugs are NOT everywhere. Sure they are available, but you have to search for them and it’s not as easy as it sounds. I wouldn’t have a clue where to buy drugs these days (not that I’d want to). Plus they are not socially acceptable – perhaps in certain social groups – but not as a norm. I think tightening gun laws would be an incredibly efficient way to reduce gun related violence. In Australia you rarely here of these kinds of crimes anymore because our gun… Read more »

scorpiorising
scorpiorising

way to easy to buy drugs and guns on the street in the US. It would take me less than an hour to do so.

Raché (Aqua/Tauri)
Raché (Aqua/Tauri)

Yeah, in California it’s ridiculous. People hustling all the time on the downlow…prostitution, drugs, protection, gang stuff. All over the streets. And not even just in bad areas! Everywhere.

Also drugs here aren’t just a low-brow thing; the Valley and LA both have huuuuuggggeeeee drug culture in the highest echelons of society, widespread in start-up/entrepreneurial and finance culture. Back in the day I used to party with CEOs and they were worse than college kids.

Raché (Aqua/Tauri)
Raché (Aqua/Tauri)

I know that it’s more strict in Australia and I think that’s a good thing, but I also think that because it has been that way for a loooong time it’s ingrained in the culture. Unfortunately it’s the opposite here. It would be really hard to take guns away, both the left and right have a hissy fit; left would get all conspiracy theories about totalitarian states, right would cry about freedom and rights.

Lisa
Lisa

But isn’t that what this whole shift in consciousness is about ? That it’s going to take some massively traumatic events to get the whole planet to return to something more tenable .
Change can’t come unless you can imagine it .

mitra
mitra

I agree. The position of the law is a profound statement to society about what is and what is not acceptable. If something is illegal, it’s a statement to society that this behaviour is wrong and wont be tolerated. Then you deal with the enforcement of the law, understanding that no law can be perfectly enforced. This is why it is so hard to change the situation in the US, because unlike anywhere else as far as I know, there is a law that in effect broadcasts to society that it is desirable to have a gun. And because it’s… Read more »

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Nope!! Laws will create MORE issues! Once you try and control situations it gets out of control.

I think to your point about buying guns because of fear is a big concern. People are buying them and don’t know how to use them or store them. I feel that if anyone wants to buy a gun they need to pass a test and I mean a military test. If they can’t pass it.. no gun-ee. Knives included.

xo!

fallen angel
fallen angel

I’m sorry I don’t agree with that at all. Laws DO initially create some havoc in the beginning, but didn’t we go through the same thing with smoking? Like I said before, it’s important to legislate taking into account different situations/populations. I’m not anti-gun. I can’t be having gone through two almost home invasions, thwarting a robbery and no less than 9 coup d’etats. I was taught to use hand guns, rifles and yes, even an AK. Do I own one now? No, I don’t and I don’t need to. Because the RISK of being harmed by having it on… Read more »

Raché (Aqua/Tauri)
Raché (Aqua/Tauri)

Thank you for sharing your story…if someone who has been robbed and broken into still has CHOSEN to not have guns I think you are a great example for what the future could be like. And yes, we need to think in terms of POSSIBILITY not likelihood. Honestly I am ignorant in regards to Australian politics but I think some of the problem in the US is that if anything happens it happens SO…SLOWLY…we are conditioned just to accept it and fight anyway but not get our hopes up. At the same time, at the state level things sometimes move… Read more »

Seabird
Seabird

Of course we don’t choose to have guns. Are you happy killing someone who has broken into your house? I’m not and I think you will find that the majority of Australians are not. That is a major difference between your society and ours. If someone breaks into my house when I’m in it, hell yes, it would be terrifying, and it would be sad if they took all my stuff, but it’s just terror and stuff. I’m not taking someone else’s life to protect my stuff. I’m not having a gun in my house ever for any reason. If… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

No, but…I agree. I grew up in a house with guns, in my apartment I choose not to have one. The idea has never even crossed my mind! I have never even thought about purchasing a gun, I am not paranoid about my safety, and I am with you…if it happens, it happens and a gun isn’t going to really help anything. But my whole reason for commenting so much in this thread is to try and show people that its understanding the other side and showing understanding, intellect, respect, and compassion that will bring someone opposed to you to… Read more »

Raché (Aqua/Tauri)
Raché (Aqua/Tauri)

that was me ^^^..again.

fallen angel
fallen angel

Re: the slowness of laws, Rache – I have to say that I don’t perceive it to be as slow as maybe other people think. This probably has to do with my being a foreigner and a naturalized US citizen. In my experience it can sometimes be difficult to have expectations in terms of time when comparing the speed with which laws are implemented from country to country. Some countries are not as diverse as the US, some have racial diversity but religious homogeny, some are less populous, so on and so forth. The US has, in my view, a… Read more »

fallen angel
fallen angel

Oh and as for my choosing not to have a gun, thanks. The robberies were foiled using an uber loud sound alarm you could hear down the street, the home invasions via the loyalty of the personal guards who put themselves in danger on our behalf. One of them remains employed for life with our family, the other chose to leave and pursue another career. I’m sharing this to say that every time I’d run those experiences in my mind, I still couldn’t see how MY/OUR being equipped with a gun would have changed anything. Were the home invasions successful,… Read more »

andromeda
andromeda

Isn’t owning a gun and having a security guard with a gun the same thing?

(If that is true then I have been in the same boat)

fallen angel
fallen angel

Not exactly the same, since they’re also trained in other defensive arts. There’s a level of security expertise there that would likely not be as common to the regular person.

In our case, we had to hire as it was during a time of increasing kidnap for ransom situations for Chinese families, also we used them for the business.

andromeda
andromeda

I am not anti-gun for me it really depends where you live. I know two American families here in Australia who moved here after home invasions. (One of the men never actually told his wife what happened to him that night as it was so terrifying that he couldn’t bring himself to share it – just the next day “Guess what? We’re going to live overseas!”). One friend had two sets of family friends who didn’t believe in guns and who lived somewhat near the Mexican border. They were all killed in home invasions. Nonetheless I do consider hiring someone… Read more »

Ruth
Ruth

Port Arthur massacre was enough to see the gun control laws in Australia tightened with an amnesty to illegal guns and a toughening on automatic weapons. This is a FIRST step. NO ONE needs an assault weapon. Less guns = less shootings. I’m so upset and angry that A- such a thing could possibly cross someones mind and B- That he had EASY access to carry out such an atrocity and C- Not even his parents had the balls to nip the signs in the bud and D- NO one has the balls to take on the pro gun fuckwits.… Read more »

anon
anon

I hear you Ruth!!! No need to apologise. I feel the same. It makes my blood boil!!!

Charles
Charles

It isn’t just guns. Just today, some maniac in China slashed 22 kids with a knife, fortunately none were killed. I checked the news and there have been many recent knife and axe (!!) mass murders like this recently. But we don’t hear about them.

It is at times like this, I recall the response after the shooting at the Amish School in Pennsylvania. It is worth revisiting, to see how the families healed the community through forgiveness.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish_school_shooting

Anonymous
Anonymous

Yes but if he had a gun all 22 of them would have been killed. Absolutely the first thing America needs to do is reform its policy on gun ownership and Obama is the guy to do it – no republican ever will. It was the first and only good act by the Howard government in Australia in my – and many other’s – opinion.

anon
anon

Hear! Hear!

Little Joey
Little Joey

I was going to post the exact thing. The only thing I respect John Howard for are the gun control measures brought in, in response to the Port Arthur massacre.
Peace to all those who have been impacted by this tragedy.
And Peace to the world.

Seabird
Seabird

Yes. That is the ONLY thing John Howard EVER did I agree with!! We had one massacre here in Port Arthur, and the governmental response was to change the firearms ownership laws to be very much stricter, and to impose a temporary amnesty so that all firearms which did not comply with the new laws could be handed in without penalty. He did this is the wake of the massacre, when the outpouring of grief was very large – and people responded by handing in their weapons. And we haven’t had a recurrence here. And even if you scaled our… Read more »

Pi
Pi

good points Sb xx

equilibrium girl
equilibrium girl

Agreed.

Charles
Charles

I’m not defending gun ownership, I’m just saying that if murderous maniacs can’t get guns, they will get a blade, like the guy who killed 7 children and 2 adults with a meat cleaver.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_(2010–2011)

I think we need to focus on maniac control, not gun control. But we could do both.

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

I am with you Charles. It doesn’t make sense when humans are the ones who make the decision not the gun. They will find any other avenue to conduct destruction because they don’t have any comment sense. Whether it’s mental illness or dysfunctional society rules. It’s up the country to work with the people to build strength. Not medicatons and laws. It doesn’t work. I don’t encourage gun ownership either but obviously there is something wrong with the US if we continue to deal with these terrorist attacks now at the small scope of our lives. World Trade Center to… Read more »

Lisa
Lisa

Human with gun in hand as opposed to human with no gun available ; regardless of the decision – the outcome is somewhat predictable .

bull with sting in tail
bull with sting in tail

The goal of trying to affect or control the behaviour of people at heir worst IS impossible.

The effort to control guns is a saner approach, with an identifiable target, GUNS, not the myriad of the human experience and the individuals for which no one has an explanation that will encompass all.

Seabird
Seabird

I think your arguments are nonsensical. Try killing 22 people with a knife the next time you feel cross and see how quickly someone disarms you or the police turn up and stop you. It takes time and effort to kill 22 people with a knife, and there will be so many opportunities for people to escape, because to kill them with a knife you will have to chase them down and grab them. It takes approximately 22 seconds to kill 22 people with a gun and you wouldn’t even have to come very close to them. I’m sorry, I… Read more »

Seabird
Seabird

That was directed at Charles and Ellie, sorry!

davidl
davidl

One of the most disturbing effects of the Batman killings were that sales of firearms in the area quadrupled over the following few weeks. America has a gun miasm. There have been many studies showing that the banning of firearms and the enforcement of these bans will basically cut the death toll of these events and others by 95%. Maybe this is a countries karma for being the exporter of 80 % of the worlds weapons of war. Yes 80% of global arms sales originate in the US.
What a terrible state this country is in.

equilibrium girl
equilibrium girl

That’s the cruel irony of horrid massacres like this – people buy firearms to protect themselves from people with firearms. “Oh but we’re not crazy like those people who shoot people.” Really? So you’re just buying it to wave around threateningly if the moment calls for it, right? We had guns as a kid (here in Oz) because my father was a sports shooter. (This was pre-gun banning.) I always thought that I’d grab one of the guns if anyone broke into the house. Me, a pacifist, but if the gun was there and if I had to protect myself…… Read more »

Raché (Aqua/Tauri)
Raché (Aqua/Tauri)

IMO it’s not so much guns as it is isolation.

My mom was going on about “dads not in the picture, videogames for hours every day, bullies…” and I was like YEAH but all of those things divide down into isolation! From other people, from feeling like they can trust and be open with others.

We need more counseling and mentors in schools, more mental health services, more places we can go just to talk without HAVING to PAY outrageous amounts of money.

Raché (Aqua/Tauri)
Raché (Aqua/Tauri)

Also, for the record, I am VERY anti-guns. But I think it’s part of a bigger-picture issue.

vlien
vlien

If he was truly autistic it was probably very hard for him to connect to others.

Raché (Aqua/Tauri)
Raché (Aqua/Tauri)

I’ve been dx’d Asperger’s and “Auditory Processing Disorder” when I was a kid, my dad has Asperger’s and sister is same as me with the additional slow response problem…despite looking like a regular person and getting excellent grades, social situations through high school were HELL (especially middle school). I could not read people, was painfully shy, presented younger than my age, people thought I was odd and shunned me. Beyond this my parents did not know how to express empathy either, so I felt completely alone. This sounds superficial and lame but I am so thankful to look the way… Read more »

maru67
maru67

Yep, that’s me. Interesting about the Dutch ancestry; I definitely am that. I beat myself up for many years because I couldn’t read people’s intention or motivation, even though they were staring me in the face. I tested as having a high IQ yet was told I must be mentally retarded because I was weird, slow on the uptake, and didn’t get it. When I was 22 I lost my two children, bullied out of them by my parents and a friend of my Mother’s, having been thrown onto the streets. I still have issues reading situations and people but… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

No! It IS guns! If someone’s isolated but didn’t have access to those weapons it would be an entirely different scenario!

Raché (Aqua/Tauri)
Raché (Aqua/Tauri)

I dunno. I feel torn because even if guns were banned they would still be a black market commodity; the ban on drugs hasn’t done shit except for make people scramble to buy them on the downlow. People would become more paranoid about not being armed when thug types with connections to getting guns were armed. It’s not like making guns illegal is just going to make them go away, but I will concede that in this boy’s case — with the fact that he did not have social skills — he could have been curbed.

Torn on it.

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Guns do not walk, talk or decide. Sorry. It’s a human being that picks it up, walks with it and decides to shoot it. The thinking process in the US is damaged from environmental reasons.

vlien
vlien

Exactly, he pulled the trigger because he must have been in an awfull dark place. But guns do make it a lot easier to kill and everybody, like it or not does have some darkness.

vlien
vlien

Crap, replied to the wrong comment. Don’t agree as you might have noticed.

davidl
davidl

First ban guns, mental illness will always be present and isolation is endemic in western countries.
A recent study of 2 groups , 1 in Chicago one in London. 20 disadvantaged borderline teens are followed for 10 years. The results. 15 of the 20 from Chicago had been shot, had shot someone or had been involved in a death caused by a handgun. The London group, not one.
Hellooo !

Raché (Aqua/Tauri)
Raché (Aqua/Tauri)

Mental illness will always be present, but you gotta admit that until recently we didn’t see any of this kind of behavior. When you look at the wiki for school shootings they are all retaliation and targeted at specific people…Columbine-esque shootings that are senseless and random are a modern phenomenon. It seems that lot of the senseless violence really started to happen in the 60s and beyond, before that crimes were for the most part connected to theft, rape, murder for a reason — granted, none of these were good reasons but they are REASONS. This dude had no reason… Read more »

Lisa
Lisa

Exactly .Just take the guns out of the equation . It’s a good start .Then stop pumping the kids brains full of chemicals / anti-depressants ( depression suppressde by chemical medicine always ends up errupting in rage ).

saggemilib
saggemilib

Also, it takes a village to raise a child (not just the parents). Making that real reduces the isolation somewhat.

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Yes!!! Mental Illness is an issue!! Counseling and mentoring is no where. Good post.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Yes! And boys /youbg men (and our girls!) needpositive adventures and rites of passage that celebrate their energy and drive in good ways- not parents pressured to medicate them into conformity.

Parents need help with sharing power and not trying to control /raise kids with shame and blame.

Raché (Aqua/Tauri)
Raché (Aqua/Tauri)

I so agree! I mean, how is Freud such a HUGE historical figure and so respected, but repression (and its counterpart, ACTING OUT) only gets more extreme with each generation…

Anonymous
Anonymous

And humans like to think they’re the advanced species on this earth. Not today. Certainly not today.

Dixie
Dixie

there is no rational or astrological explanation for the victims…this is an overwhelming pain of human suffering on a scale the individual comprehends (no tragedy of war here). there are no words, no understanding of motive, no justification of cause…simply horrific.

anon
anon
sweetpea
sweetpea

Heres a chart at Maurice Fernandez Evolutionary Astrology…

Note the shooters Natal Node with Moon and trans Moon/ Pluto

And his natal Pluto with trans Node/Venus

http://www.mauricefernandez.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3504

sweetpea
sweetpea

For any newbies (and I’m no expert), Evo Astro is focused on the Nodes and Pluto quite a bit.

sweetpea
sweetpea

Natal Mars sextile trans Mars conjunct natal Neptune mean the guy was delusional or something?

sweetpes
sweetpes

I mean as far as Mars/agression and what he thought he was accomplishing…

sweetpea
sweetpea

Is interesting to note as well that a Capricorn Moon person would have a “rigid” mother as that is classic for Saturn ruled Moon.

I have a Cap Moon and double Leo Mother was not terribly rigid (her father was), but she had a terrible temper when I was growing up and I remember longing to here her say she loved me but that didn’t come until many years later until she did alot of healing work herself.

sweetpea
sweetpea

This poor shooter felt unloved and he killed the very childhood of others that it would appear he did not have. His mother may have been rigid perhaps but she cared for other children but not him maybe…hmm?

So sad.

sweetpea
sweetpea

See, with my Cap Moon I have Venus opposite Neptune so I would kill myself before I killed anyone else.

hiddendragonqueen
hiddendragonqueen

whoa. i will never complain about a transit again. that’s a lot of heavy, heavy stuff. poor kid.

sweetpea
sweetpea

Yeah, natal Moon conjunct natal NN and when trans Moon and Pluto got there, well, with that NN he went there…

sweetpea
sweetpea

The guns are not the problem…the human issues that need to be healed are otherwise a person wouldn’t even need to pick one up if it was right there in front of them..

sweetpea
sweetpea

When my girls were little, I remember getting the belt and I was going to whip them. I felt the pull of that dark abyss. But suddenly, I saw in my two girls, myself and my sister and a light bulb went off that I could destroy. i could destroy them and so in anguishI went and layed on my bed and asked God to help me. To get this poison out of me. Somewhere, we have to break the chain.

Anonymous
Anonymous

thank you for not taking whatever your rage was out on your children sweet pea. you are a better person for it and the world is a much better place. love to you and thank you for your honesty.

sweetpea
sweetpea

Yes, one has to
listen to the voice in the back of their head, the conscience that says this is wrong..in that moment there is a choice. Yes, for this reason, my daugher haas never layed one hand on my grandaughter. My ex husband never spanked the girls either. He felt it was barbaric. And he’s Iranian lol 😉
what stereotypes we have…

sweetpea
sweetpea

A long, long time ago, beings came to the Earth who were warriors of both good and evil…We are still healing the remanants of wars that began elsewhere, the violence. But those beings came to the Earth to rejuevenate their electromagnetics as the Earth was of a Paradise (Edon) Vibration away from the Central Sun. The Earth became overloaded and Her light was cast downward esp as some wanted to take Her power as their own. Humanity was caught in the middle of the struggle of the gods and is actually innocent but alll of these issues within each of… Read more »

Darrell
Darrell

Thanks Sweetpea.. You have summed it all up pretty well me thinks.. And, it’s onyl in eeing the world through the eyes of the Mystic or the Poet.. And, onyl then do we see what’s really going on in this world.. We we are all here for our ongoing learning & growth etc et al….

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