Lindsay Lohan’s Dodgy Mercury

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Ellen Von Unwerth

Yes, yes i KNOW she has a coven of p.r peeps crafting her message and all but Lindsay Lohan’s continual “We were not shit-faced, we were exhausted” line does make one wonder about her Mercury.  I mean, she seems to have a strong line in hubris & denial, even allowing for the confluence of artistic temperament, celebrity and easy access to Space Dust/Blue Devil Hooch Juice.

So as you prob know, she is a Cancerian with Aquarius Rising (always a brilliant blend for old-school eccentricity) but her MERCURY (how she communicates, thinks et al) is in Leo. It’s opposite her Ascendent, quincunx Neptune and square Pluto. She could probably be on bath salts and call a press conference to say the zombification was a result of Reiki gone wrong.

She needs to WRITE.

Of course, she was also a Calvin Klein child model.  Which could explain a LOT.  I think she’s so talented, i don’t want to see her Whitney.

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Kelly Surtees
Kelly Surtees

For Mercury, the speed and whether it’s close to station etc also impacts it. Mercury has a different expression if it rises before the Sun (like a scout), but is more analytical if it’s visible after the Sun has set. Like the scribe (Mercury) either preceding or following the king (the Sun).
And yes, all this shifts through progressions which definitely show the changing mental attitudes/comms experiences in ones life.

Pegasus
Pegasus

LL had the most beautiful natural colouring, true Auburn, so rare yet she constantly blondes it so it clashes with the freckles (sun kisses). Have you seen the Playboy shots of her doing Marilyn Monroe her heroine? They look a little bizarre to me, but then no one can do Marilyn BUT Marilyn. LL is in danger of becoming a caricature of herself and she does send herself up on a Glee clip, but comedy is not her forte. Enough of the BadGirl role and yes perhaps writing may direct her, but don’t see it as it is a solo… Read more »

Min
Min

Ho fatto terribili shagli??

Pegasus
Pegasus

Translation: Ciggies are harmful?

Anony_Aus
Anony_Aus

Woo hoo, look at all this PJ/Nick talk! Such fun!
Quintile is my new hero *touches hem of his/her robe*

sweetpea
sweetpea

She reminds me of Kataka ex sister in law…my Libran bro’s second wife (of four..)..

I like the bad girl side of Kataka a bit…Not the stealing a necklace but the pix with the cig hanging outta her mouth. Ex Kataka sis in law had sex appeal lke that and as she was big smoker, I had seen the cig hang out of her mouth like that.

MsNoir
MsNoir

“Whitney” is a …. verb! lol I love you, Mystic!

creatrix
creatrix

Just gotten to the point I can’t really watch LiLo anymore… I can’t bear to see her fail again! She needs some bad-ass shamanistic ghost busting going on or I don’t anticipate a glorious triumph like I would love to see for her. Hang on, manifest that!

Pi
Pi

I don’t have much to say about LL either way really except that I am always amazed at her transformation from plain-ish looking sheila to street-vamp-goddess a la these pics in some Italian mag, and elsewhere at other times. I know makeup/hair is easy to do but she genuinely seems to me transformed into someone else with these, well, makeover jobs.

aquasunbird
aquasunbird

Rose quartz crystals are for love…maybe someone else can elaborate. It probably should be near relating chakra. It is potent and has a purity & benevolence to it. There is more but I cannot explain it; everyone has a different perspective.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Why would you not put rose quartz in the bedroom? Does anyone know the reasoning behind it?

Chrysalis
Chrysalis

I don’t know anything about Lindsay except seeing her in the news. But I always got the sense she is smarter than some of her escapades would indicate.

On the subject of astro I’d love to know about: Nick Drake… David McComb… also Simone de Beauvoir/J-P Sartre; Humphrey Bogart/Lauren Bacall; Joni Mitchell/Graham Nash. (Soz Mystic, I’m an ageing hippie! )

Anonymous
Anonymous

I’d add Asher Keddie, Joel Egerton, both Australian actors.

Scorpylicious
Scorpylicious

ageless hippie perhaps? 🙂 I think we are the same vintage.

I ADORE Nick Drake!!! Two of his songs are in my all time favourite Top 5 list!
Have you seen the doco “A Skin Too Few” A-M-A-Z-I-N-G!! Especially considering there is no actual live footage of him. It’s al done beautifully with still shots.

Chrysalis
Chrysalis

Yes I think we are similar vintage, Scorpy! The Pluto-Uranus conj in Virgo generation, currently being pummelled by Mars 🙂

I haven’t seen the doco – I came to Nick Drake quite late, but absolutely love his music. There was a fab Radio National special about him last year – possibly around the same time as the doco? Not sure. Thanks for the tip, I will look around for it!

Scorpylicious
Scorpylicious

yes! pummelled by Virgo!! I have Mars in Virgo too!! Can’t wait for Mars in Libra 🙂 Not too long now… 4th of July. Easy to remember even though I’m not American. Hehe

Better late than never as they say. Doco from 1999. Check it out. Well worth it.

Chrysalis
Chrysalis

I agree! Bring on Mars in Libra because as well as a zillion Mars returns this past 6 months it’s been opp my sun stellium. It’s a non-stop party in my chart. Not.

The only thing I have in Libra is – *waits for reedy off-key trumpet fanfare* – Gary!!

Thanks for the info on the doco, I will track it down xx

Scorpylicious
Scorpylicious

Oh Gazza!! 😆 Lucky you!

Well I have Venus Libra 7° and MC as well but late degrees. I don’t get too hopeful where Venus is concerned though.

It’s been a non-stop party for me too since 2008 when Saturn was in Virgo. I’m sure you know! Then Pluto on my asc… etc etc. And of course Saturn is chart ruler so Saturn Rx has been real fun – NOT!!

And I have Chiron in Pisces 14°. So Chiron return to look forward with my Virgo stellium opposing. Happy days! 🙂

Chrysalis
Chrysalis

Gawd Scorpy that’s a LOT of ‘growth’. All that Saturn stuff. Ouch. We will all be very sensible, grownup, evolved and in the now by the time these planets are finished with us, lol
I am looking forward to the next couple of years – Neptune over my Pisces stellium – so I really do see all this as boot camp before the haute Neptune awesome 🙂

quintile
quintile

same – shamed to say I had never heard of him but tonight have looked on you tube – thanks for the lead and nice to chat you two! bye for now 🙂

Scorpylicious
Scorpylicious

It’s been delightful.

Good night 🙂

Chrysalis
Chrysalis

Same! Nighty night all xx

Anonymous
Anonymous

MM did,SB and JPS quite some time ago, definately in the archives

Anonymous
Anonymous

Which category?

Chrysalis
Chrysalis

OK thanks Anon, will look for it.

Anonymous
Anonymous

I can’t find it.
Did you have any luck Chrysalis?

Chrysalis
Chrysalis

Nope, soz… maybe it was pre new site?

quintile
quintile

yes – and worth remembering that synastry represents the potential of the relationship, and the composite is the actual relationship. so you might have fab synastry and that supports the attraction, but the composite is not that good. And vice a versa. I had to go off facebook because i was cyberstalking the love interest (ie occasional lover) and women I thought he might like, AND running the synastry through astro.com – urghhh – HIDEOUS

Scorpylicious
Scorpylicious

oh dear! 😆 you don’t have any Scorp in your chart do you?

Anonymous
Anonymous

oh that’s true – the composite chart is telling – I used to do the davison chart I can’t remember my rationale for that but that was always very accurate in terms of how we were as a unit as opposed to what we each brought to the party separately.

Chrysalis
Chrysalis

Oh Quintile I’m laughing the black laugh of recognition here – I have been there 🙂 Are you a Pisces by chance??

quintile
quintile

you’re very perceptive chrysalis – moon AND rising in pisces!! only neptune and jupiter in scorp scorpylicious BUT I have a very heavily aspected pluto so am actually very scorpionic (as MM would put it) – spot on you two 🙂

Chrysalis
Chrysalis

Haha well don’t feel bad re the astro-stalking thing 🙂 I’m a Pisces sun, Merc, Saturn, Chiron and Psyche. All the Pisceans I know are the same re ‘research’. Once at work years ago, a co-worker had a crush on some guy… another Piscean colleague and I went straight to the internet, produced a dossier on him within minutes. Everyone was ashen-faced. We said, ‘but doesn’t EVERYONE do this?’ lol Apparently not 🙂 I don’t do this anymore btw. No good can come of it! I admire your resolve, Quintile!

quintile
quintile

bless you – you are sooo right – no good can come of it – I feel so much better by withdrawing and letting the whole thing sort itself out – stalking is very disempowering. the flip side of piscean empathy is the machievellian thing…i have lots of 12 house stuff at the mo so am FINALLY taking my astrologer’s advice and withdrawing LOL

Chrysalis
Chrysalis

Yep. I learned the hard way. Giving up the illusion of control feels like hell but it actually works. Let go, move on and let other people sort out their own stuff. Ha, I finally learned this lesson a couple of years shy of my Chiron return. LOL!

Chrysalis
Chrysalis

..oh I should mention my astro – it’s all Neptune and Chiron on my Pisces stuff, and Mars opposing at the mo, so I’m in permanent self-worth-and-love boot camp

leogroover
leogroover

me too chiron Pisces Chrys. I
get sick of continous inner urge for self improvement. sometimes i just wanna lay on the couch and I do.

quintile
quintile

ah – yes, his north node is scorp – sooo telling. their venus and moons would have been very compatible. do you think venus/pluto doesn’t last? i have this with current love interest. thoughts?

Libran notes
Libran notes

I have this synastry also with a current love interest and it’s an interesting question.
I just wonder how progressions, and transits to progressions, come in to synastry, as well as natal synastry?

So much to consider in astrology and astronomy 🙂

Libran notes
Libran notes

Ahh I mean Venus/North Node aspect with my fella, NOT Venus/Pluto.
My 2 best friends and I all have personal planets near each others North Nodes – soul relationships.

scorpylicious
scorpylicious

I think Pluto/Venus is one of those soul mate indicators. Whether it lasts or not depends on the rest of the chart synastry. Didn’t mean to alarm you! 🙂

Mine have never lasted but that’s because I have Pluto/Uranus conjunction in 8th house. So they’ve all been karmic.

I’m sure Mystic has done heaps of Venus/Pluto posts. Maybe do a search?

Aquaria
Aquaria

What’s wrong with a NN in Scorpio?

quintile
quintile

LOL nothing wrong at all with it – NN is sort of where you are heading in the next incarnation (as I understand it?).

Aquaria
Aquaria

In the next? Not this one?

Anyway, I framed the question wrong, it should have been more like “why is it telling?”.

My NN is in Scorpio conj. my DSC, so the more I know about intensity, the less I project it? Maybe :p

I do adore Scorpio and Plutonian types, moth to the flame, but I got to learn to use mine productively and not squander in daydreaming obsessions or think I don’t have it and am some kind of innocent, helpless thing.

P.S. I like Nick’s music

scorpylicious
scorpylicious

The North Node represents the kinds of experiences that we must work to develop in order to work with our karma, and to grow spiritually. The South Node represents those experiences and qualities that come naturally to us, that are over-developed, and that we tend to fall back on.

from Cafeastrology.com – great website!

quintile
quintile

ta scorpy! yes cafe astrology is my go-to site for interps – much more modern, friendly and positive (we like THAT) than ole swiss astro dienst

Anonymous
Anonymous

these two are interesting – especially PJ they have some whopping conjunctions synastry-wise due to both of them having multiple stelliums – mars, saturn, venus uranus and jupiter connections + some lazy hazy mars neptune connections. some things aren’t meant to last forever tho

quintile
quintile

Nick is a multiple virgo – sun, moon, mars, pluto and mercury. he is a friend of mine and very virgoan – hard working, creative, and excellent manager and sartorially very spiffy – those suits are raw silk, crisp linen shirts etc.

Anonymous
Anonymous

lucky gal, you

Scorpylicious
Scorpylicious

yeah Cool bananas he’s your friend 🙂

Pj’s Mars in Cap and Libra Sun must have loved his sartorially elegant spiffy suits.

quintile
quintile

yes PJ is so talented – she has recently done a new album produced by aussie Mick Harvey, ex bad seed. I guess Libra sun and Virgo sun are not that compatible long term (but hey, I have had several major libran relationships and I’m a multiple virgo too). BTW Nick travels with a dry-cleaning module in the crew bus – to keep all those suits up to scratch 🙂 but for after-show chill outs its more like a cashmere cardy for late night dinners

Libran notes
Libran notes

ooh, hey I didn’t read this… my comment below complements your Libra Sun-Virgo Sun views! 🙂

Scorpylicious
Scorpylicious

he’s a bloody great writer too. Loved “And the Ass Saw the Angel”
“Murder Ballads” album so very Scorp venus which conjuncts his NN in Scorp.

Have loved him since Boys Next Door/Birthday Party days.

Polly has Venus and moon in Virgo. His Pluto on her venus. That’s probably the karmic soul mate link that doesn’t always last

Libran notes
Libran notes

I agree, a woman’s venus is what she likes and is attracted to and if it’s on his sun-mercury conjunct etc. and his sun-mercury is on her venus-moon they can communicate and understand and support ea other.

scorpylicious
scorpylicious

*nods* Also interesting that they both have Jupiter in LIbra – the collaboration on the Henry Lee song. Beautiful! 🙂

I could talk about Nick, Polly and Virgos all night. 🙂 I’m drawn to them like a moth to a flame.

quintile
quintile

one thing about Nick is that he is incredibly hard working, professional and of course, now, totally straight. he has been very loyal to his long term creative partners! like many virgos very sexy (says me – 4 planets in virgo!). when MM does a post on sartorial virgos I keep meaning to mention that Nick is one. his current key collaborator Warren E is an aqua – Wazza wears more full-on bling, the cream patent leather shoes, whereas Cave is much more restrained – so virgo vs aqua (known to be wacky dressers, yes?) what is PJ’s d.o.b? you… Read more »

scorpylicious
scorpylicious

PJ – 9 Oct 1969. It’s on Wiki 🙂

Of course Nick is hard working – he’s a Virgo!! He gives it his all 100% on stage too. So much passion! And Elvis Costello (another Virgo) live is the same!! I was so blown away. Under that reserved exterior lies a raging passion. That’s why I like them. 🙂

If I ran a business I would only hire earth signs. They are the hardest working I reckon!

Another über sartorial Virgo is Tom Ford. *sigh*

How long have you known Nick? Do you know his rising sign? 😛

quintile
quintile

oh elvis costello another virgo!? MM reckons the real musos are caps, the performers leo. have known nick since the early days but more so recently and have been on tour with them – no don’t know his rising sign – will ask next time – what do you think it might be? maybe virgo too LOL

scorpylicious
scorpylicious

haha… wouldn’t be at all surprised if it was more Virgo! He does have that vampire look that MM says Scorp Asc have but he doesn’t give off a sexy vibe so I’m going with Cap Asc. It would explain the work ethic, the suits and how never smiles in photos. He’s got that saturnine grumpy world-weary thing that Caps have. Also the dry wit and humour!!

scorpiorising
scorpiorising

Scorpio Rising

Chrysalis
Chrysalis

Love Warren Ellis! Ocean Songs changed my life.

quintile
quintile

yes a total SWEETIE and also totes straight after many hard yards

Libran notes
Libran notes

As per Scorpylicious’ comment above — it may not be only the Scorpio intensity that PJ LIbra Sun couldn’t handle, it may have been the uber-Virgoaness intensity, which is hard core, also. I speculate, also, from some personal experience (mine): the Libra and Virgo energies are often drawn to one another. Mystic has some awesome posts on Virgo-Libra compatiability, but living with an Uber-Virgo man working in the entertainment industry and is perfect/amazing at it, and intense- you have to be that way a bit yourself, but also, Libra needs balancing out more than anyone, and a multi Virgo may… Read more »

Anony_Aus
Anony_Aus

I wonder where her Lilith is…
You know who I’d love to see the astro of?
This guy. I am sensing Scorpio all over the place. I’d be intrigued to see her chart too. I mean SHE chucked HIM. What went wrong?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzmMB8dTwGs

Anonymous
Anonymous

not sure why but my response to you is below – they are an interesting combo those two.

Scorpylicious
Scorpylicious

yes! way more interesting than Lohan!

Quintile beat me to it but I was also going to say that they have/had amazing synastry. I remember looking them up many moons ago. I also recall reading an article where PJ said that the reason they broke up was because it got way too intense for her. Of course! She’s a Libran!
I don’t think I could handle his intensity either and I’m a Scorp but I have a Libra venus and moon in Saggo. So don’t suffocate me! 🙂

Anonymous
Anonymous

she has quite a bit of virgo in her chart too tho and I think a few planets in virgo can sometimes out-virgo a virgo

Libran notes
Libran notes

He is *the* poster person for Neptune in Scorpio generation, and played out that aspect particularly well, imo.

Aquaria
Aquaria

No opinion on Lindsay Lohan, sorry, but I do would like to understand Leo Merc better, as well as Aquarius Mercury.

huuuh
huuuh

Very interesting that Mercury opposing ascendant = denial. I like her (could never place why… must be the aqua asc) but that denial is what really sets her back. I’m interested in the astro of her mother, who I really sense perpetuates the whole thing. I hope she transcends that awful family and phoenixes, too.

Libran notes
Libran notes

There are no oppositions in my chart, which is why I find the Mercury opposite Ascendant = denial, aspect interesting, also.

Libran notes
Libran notes

I sometimes think conjunctions can also be challenging.

A conjunction can make one planet that may operate quite well on its own, to intensify expression and experience.

Anonymous
Anonymous

i’m confused by her breasts in the velvet couch shot – have the nips been airbrushed or is that just a weird angle?

aqualeoscorpmn
aqualeoscorpmn

I think the nips may be in close relationship with eachother.. inner facing nips maybe? I dunno as I dont have boobs and dont have the slightest attraction for them, go figure, but I think they could do that..

Anonymous
Anonymous

LOL sweetie NO! I think that may be classed as a deformity – inner facing nips, it would chafe like nobody’s business and doesn’t make any sense re their true purpose which is to hang kids off them. I can’t believe I just squashed mine together to see if they could touch and they can’t! The nips are in the middle and the bulbous nature of them means they don’t meet – will get back to you in 20 years when they’ve sagged a bit more for an update x

quintile
quintile

defo airbrushed!

Aqualeoscorpmn
Aqualeoscorpmn

Hahaha…

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

…do they wobble to and fro Can you tie them in a knot Can you tie them in a bow Can you toss them over your shoulder like a regimentary soldier Do your boobs..hang..low? We sang that at school, not in the yard but in the assembly hall as a full school ensemble. Of course the word ‘ears’ was a substitute for ‘boobs’, until us girls changed it later. However, i later learned it was a military song and had the word ‘balls’. I have a vivid recollection of the principal and deputy leading us in a rousing rendition –… Read more »

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

Primary school.

Seabird
Seabird

We had the same song! Breastfeeding my kid til 15 months made me get it (although they do bounce back…to a certain extent…)

L
L

balls are fun. amusing song! don’t think that was ever sung at my schools although i may have vaguely seen a rendition of that song somewhere.

aqualeoscorpmn
aqualeoscorpmn

Wow you can really see her rising sign in her more than her Sun, She looks so aqua outer space in the CK kids photo.. N Kinda does too, in the planetary sextress in the older pics. My mercury is a bit wacko too but means well. No neptune contacts but it is in pisces, a tight Mercury Jupiter opp a Uranian merc square, A pluto merc Trine and a Tight north node merc opp.. I can say I do notice how my thinking gets in the way of my Leo North node Aries First house destiny if im not… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

Agree she’s talented but we haven’t seen much of it for a long time. Would be great to see her diversify and write – maybe she could team up with Aaron Sorkin for some wild hollywood starlet drama!

My merc is conjunct Saturn and Lilith in Aries first house, probably says alot more about me than I know. One thing I do know is that I love original thinkers, emerging talent, avant garde, I think it’s the firsts – once the imitators start I lose interest.

Fifi
Fifi

That was me !

Mel
Mel

Cool! I wanted you to look at LLs astro. I so want her to Phoenix and make an awesome comeback!!

Libran notes
Libran notes

Mercury in a chart does tell you a lot. Mine is mutable in Virgo in my 2nd. I’m glad I have Leo Rising to do all the art fun stuff, but my mind/comms style is quick, flexible, reserved and quiet, details obsessed, grounds my ideas, results oriented and my employers are always pleased. Mercury in my chart does not square a thing and is unchallenged. It’s supported by a trine to the MC, is exalted, and trine my exalted Moon in tenth, and is bunched up with my 2nd house stellium. It can be a lot self-critical, but I am… Read more »

aqualeoscorpmn
aqualeoscorpmn

the only way I can be a steady worker, It has to hit me in an emotionally pressing way… But def Like to do all the art stuff because it really has no schedule.. This is more what my mercury LeoRising is cut out for, not heavy routine. Its gonna sound like im making this up. But if I do something that is like just straighting clothes everyday or some other repetitive task where the day moves by so slowly its almost universally comical. I literally have like these flashes physical flashes in my head that run up me. Not… Read more »

Libran notes
Libran notes

I’d say Lindsay Lohan has her Progressed Sun in Leo right now, which could make it Conjunct Mercury in Leo and strengthen the challenging Opposition to Ascendant.

Her Progressed Sun into Virgo when she’s in her 40’s – could she write a book on it all? I’d say of course.

Anonymous
Anonymous

god thank you for mentioning progressions – i am going to check my progressed chart to see wtf is up cos something just aint right

iris aquacat
iris aquacat

I find checking progreed sun, venus and mercury useful as they explain newfound compulsions, enthusiasms and themes. For me they are felt internally first and then expressed externally.

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