Lady, You Don’t Need Astrology

woman in red beside high voltage power plantAbout three times a week I get more or less the same email only from a different woman. Yes, always female. My response is always that they don’t need astrology, that they need a shrink. Or to get a grip.  Or anything other than the weird warp they are apparently stuck in.

To Clarify. The classic version of this email goes something like this: 

Dear Mystic, i am in love with a man who is married/on crack/who hates me/who seduced my sister/who said he wants nothing more to do with me/who has just taken up a three year posting at an Arctic base/who has a history of extreme domestic violence/who is 21 years younger and says I am too old for him but what about Joan Collins/who is gay but once he kissed me when he was drunk/who I have not spoken to for four years but the psychic at the mall said he was my soulmate/who said he is not interested in me at all but his Mars is on my Sun so maybe I should wait/who does not want a relationship but we still have sex sporadically and he owes me $20,000/who I just found out is sleeping with his parole officer but he says he only loves me not her.

You get it, right?  I wish I could say this was an equal opportunity thing – that men also email me with this sort of thing but they don’t. And it’s not that I lack compassion but when this sort of “dilemma” lands in the inbox, it truly is like honestly w.t.f?  Like I said before, if the best thing you can say about a ‘relationship’ is that “it’s karmic” – forget about it.  If the dude is not there/on drugs/does not like you etc – fuq it. 

The ladies sending these sorts of emails are not idiots and no doubt they know all this intellectually but something has gotten a hold of them. They’re like Love Zombies. They’re doing bath salts. They’re maybe doing Pluto-Venus (can be compulsive) but whatever they’re doing, they need to stop doing it. 

So if I get back to them with something really nice along the lines of “bummer of a situation but you know, I don’t think it’s really relevant that his North Node is on your Part of Fortune or that he has Moon in whatever, I think you need to detach blah blah blah” – I get a tirade of “NO MYSTIC YOU DON”T GET IT – THIS IS KARMIC. I dream about him every night/the mall psychic said/don’t you understand that the North Node means PAST LIVES.”

All of us have most likely been Love Zombies at some point but the point is to snap out of it a.s.a.p.  Stop doing the bath salts. Stop checking out his chart/cousins Facebook page/progressed composite chart if you’re an astro-fiend. If he’s not into you, it doesn’t matter if his Mars is on your Moon parked out the back of your house – got it?

Thoughts, please.  You can share here in a safe and supportive environment lol

Images of the Fashionable Love Zombies by Tom Munro and Steven Meisel. 

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geconse
geconse

Glad I found my way to this post now, everything written here is all I needed to grasp so I can stop hurting myself.

scalycat
scalycat

Mystic,
I love that you put posts up just when I need to hear them. Was just about to throw myself into one of my love zombie dazes and you pulled me out.
BLESS YOU.

PS Haven’t ever enjoyed reading comments so much as I have on this topic. Some people really need to learn the meaning of irony.

scalycat
scalycat

Or am I starting to sound judgemental?

Anonymous
Anonymous

oh no. I get busy at work and miss all the action!!!

Such funny comments in here….

queenofthejungle
queenofthejungle

Just cut to the chase and tell them what America sex columnist Dan Savage does so well — DTMFA. As in, “Lady, you don’t need astrology. Just DTMFA!” Case closed.

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

What did you get?

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

I’ve got a story to tell and no where else to tell it. I commented earlier on this post as I told a friend “Just because you can connect to a guy’s dead mom doesn’t mean he’s into you.” So, he says “Were there other dead people?” And I said “Lots.” And he says “I miss my grandpa, do you think you could connect to him?” And I said, “Yeah, but not now” because I had a few drinks – not the time for more spirits. Anyway, a chain of events led to me hiking alone on a small local… Read more »

davidl
davidl

Great story x another example for me of how all information comes from triangulation. It takes 3 to solve puzzles properly.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Yes, three, but…why are most so unwilling to accept honesty? Now I know what his grandfather wants to say to him – that he wants to talk to him – and I know that he doesn’t want me to know his grandfather. Stupid.

davidl
davidl

He probably does accept it, may just take a while to sink in. You planted the seed, the pure data into his mind. You did what you did and said it straight. I don’t think anyone, even grandpa can fortell the consequences.
Those consequences are not your responsibility of course, and they may mean lots of ‘work’ for our screen writer. He needs a strategy now. Current strategy ? Nooooooo

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Thanks, davidl. A few years ago, I was an atheist. Now, well, I’d like to think people would be happy to know there’s immortal life. But that’s not how its received – ever – in my experience. At least here, on this blog, it is a bit closer to normal to have problems like these. Soul connections, fantasy relationships, speaking with the dead, all that… There is something I can’t articulate there…a bind…we are encouraging the heart broken here to know: if the wo/man you love is not there, s/he’s not there. No relationship. Period. Embrace reality. But…then I’m talking… Read more »

andromeda
andromeda

That’s beautiful 12HV, love your work. Totally get where you are coming from. Tonight I posted some info on another forum with my dissent on the topic on thread plus my research and findings on said topic. The maker of the thread sent unpleasant energy my way. I just move it on. Another 10 mins of my day spent doing something I can no longer be bothered articulating.
Anyway, I love how personal your touch is with this dearly departed, good luck with how it plays out in the end.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Thanks, andromeda. Its rare to be able to talk about it as work instead of “belief.” The community MM has developed here is a true blessing.

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

Speaking of WHORES, I just discovered this one in the archives:

It’s two years old, but who would have guessed? Classic. Or chronic.

Cronic. Like, of ye old crone– ye old Whore crone.

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

I thought youbetyourwrasse might like to check out some of this soap.

sweetpea
sweetpea

Well, I’m Mars/Rising in Gemini and used to love it when Pisces (I was 17…1st love) called me a f-ing whore during sex…

brahahaha

Of course it was by my request.

sweetpea
sweetpea

And then he would lay my naked ass across his lap and bite my butt..

Lets, see, what else… hmmmm 😆

sweetpea
sweetpea

Do you guys think I should stick with writing on spiritual topics or give trashy novels a go?

Which would make more money?

😆

sweetpea
sweetpea

😆

ToroScorp
ToroScorp

Post is hot topic for discussion it seems. The simple fact is life is just too SHORT for over analysis, energy vampires, or allowing someone to take up too much of ones head space. Bottom line: other people can’t make you happy. They may give a peptide rush but like everything else it doesn’t last. Karma or no Karma My point is that until you we, all of us make the most of ourselves, our potential, our talents and abilities and decide not to give a F about what others think ..until we do that we are subject to wild… Read more »

saggifairyus
saggifairyus

HEAR HEAR!

sweetpea
sweetpea

humph, and pix not showing up…

I’m the little girl in the black cowgirl hat… 😉

This thread looks like a big “yee-haw” to me!…. 😆

sweetpea
sweetpea

Sounds like they are looking for validation!!!

sweetpea
sweetpea

Hey, that was not this sweetpea…have no idea what the other sweetpea was referring to…

Have been sweetpea here for over three years…If you’d like to keep it, that’s fine…perhaps I need a new name as it is…

fallen angel
fallen angel

Completely unrelated question – well, I think it’s unrelated.. but mayhaps the detoxing vibe has gone too far and meds have been chucked aside? This reminds me of the over-reaction to Tesla the cat being prescribed by the vet and peeps over-reacting as if it were animal cruetly.

Probably Zap Zone fall out?

Aqualeoscorpmn
Aqualeoscorpmn

I dunno but that is the perrrfect name for an Aquarian kitty.

fallen angel
fallen angel

That actually is the name of Mystic’s Aqua Kitty!

aqualeoscorpmn
aqualeoscorpmn

I kno I kno FA thats why its so cute. Tesla the man who invented electricity. Who’s part of fortune was in aqua… Even though he is a cancer.

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

Totally my thought too, FA! Ultra freak-out bats! Like cosmic and emotional equilibrium has been thoroughly disrupted. What will we find when the dust settles– in 3 years?

fallen angel
fallen angel

Maybe it’ll be like the tsunami and we’ll find debris swimming up from odd shores when by then we’d have grown bigger, brighter and beyond it, at least enough to see the same shit again with a far better perspective. 🙂

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

We’ll see this shit wash up on shore and we’ll say, “What is this shit washing up on shore?” We’ll gather all the shit it up and recycle it. We’re haute like that.

scorpiorising
scorpiorising

btw. I love the wig, cat eye sunglasses and black gloves. I love the red too, just not the lace part, but sexy hot photo! sizzle!

quintile
quintile

i wonder if this is the post that has attracted the most comments on this blog?? its well over 300 now – zap zone indeed – its sort of been metonymic of the uranus-pluto event, no? change-adept people wanting to understand, share and help re the love-zombie theme, and deeply *angry* responses coming from the underworld. interesting…

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

No the one last year where Mystic went away for the long weekend and we were all stuck together on the one post was possibly the most commented (but this one i think got more insane). I think it exceeded 500.

quintile
quintile

i was only a lurker in them days 🙂

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

So good to see your shiny self x

aqualeoscorpmn
aqualeoscorpmn

I think I was here in time for that one, was like a some beef about generations.. Although My Neptune Saturn Sq cannot recall all the details.

youbetyourwrasse
youbetyourwrasse

Please define “angry.” Is a woman, or a man, who vehemently presents an idea ANGRY? WAIT women get periods I forgot!

The Leo Socialite
The Leo Socialite

COURtNEY LOVE?

Someone has to alert Charles quickly – i think Courtney Love has finally found this blog. Which means she is probably close to getting Charles.

i mean it, i’ve read courtney’s late night gin and mogadon rants on perez and exactly the same tone.

Seriously, you are calling us “fucked up clueless whores” but you think we should show more class and compassion?

Courtney, you are a laugh and a half girl.

btw i have not commented on these last 2 posts as ttoo busy laughing. Amaze.

Charles
Charles

I just do not know what to say. I mean seriously, I spent like an hour trying to think of something to say, and came up with nothing. So I think I’ll just stick with the last thing I said to Courtney, ever, and in retrospect, it was one of the great turning points of my life.

“No.”

davidl
davidl

You were abusive Spicey, or betyourwrasse or whatever you are. You were ANGRY and abusive.
Please go away.

youbetyourwrasse
youbetyourwrasse

I’m irritated by the tone in all this… calling human beings “zombies” and making generalizations that are judgmental and without fact (‘they’re doing bath salts..”) I assume you are Medusa’s Daughter, ’cause not many would pay for such shit… and such shit is more than I’ve heard since I stopped watching TV. Plus the ‘astro bitch’ quotes [next blog] are moral bankrupt and rude. Nevermind the outright holier-than-thou attitude… ‘how DUMB people are when they refer to the 8th house like it was the 5 th house… SHEESH! *newsflash* Everyone starts out *new* …and it annoys me to think that… Read more »

Pi
Pi

Dudette, are you kidding?????

pseudo intellectual astro bitches came from a comment WAY up the top from someone else who took offence. the quotes in the subsequent post are mystic’s own words…?!

going off half-cocked I think. although there are a lot of them, you may be better served by reading the comments above.

quintile
quintile

Mystic IS taking peoples’ problems seriously – hence she might direct people to mental health professionals if she finds them putting too much faith in obscure astrological aspects, transits, whatever. She is being a responsible professional and acknowledging that sometimes people need serious professional support by people trained in those disciplines. Its all too easy for someone lonely, deluded, love zombied-out to look for esoteric signs when they need to look to core competancies like self-care, talking to a therapist, getting on with their job, being appreciative of 1st world blessings, spending time with friends etc.

youbetyourwrasse
youbetyourwrasse

I agree that MM is caring and I agree that sometimes medical/psychiatric help is well advised. It’s JUDGMENTAL and that’s wrong. ‘….something has gotten a hold of them. They’re like Love Zombies. They’re doing bath salts. They’re maybe doing Pluto-Venus (can be compulsive) but whatever they’re doing, they need to stop doing it. ‘ I see a SIN and a SINNER !!!! …and I despise that!!! Could it have been handled respectfully and NOT in a THEM way? YES!!! It’s divisive to look at others with disdain AND divisive to argue about feelings. …and before people point out it was… Read more »

youbetyourwrasse
youbetyourwrasse

NEXT blog title… ” Shit Pseudo-Intellectual Astro-Bitches Say .” Tagged “Astro Gaga.” No other tags… *sigh* Goody Better served by consuming (reading) more … what exactly? IDEAS no… perhaps WORDS strung together in novel new ways that pay homage to the established paradigm? Why? It’s like telling women to defer to men… I EAT MEANING. It’s the meat of conversation… the bread-and-butter of dialogue… the ambrosia that can prevent WAR… I DID read the comments… many times, which became TOO many times truthfully…. SHIT, I am in the USA before a “big election..” You really believe words often do nothing… Read more »

wildwood
wildwood

yeah i think also not really getting the “shit people say” meme either…

rose
rose

I’m getting rather bored with it too. It’s so juvenile.

You won’t find me wearing any of those T-shirts! Outside of this blog they wouldn’t make ANY sense nor would they be funny.

aqualeoscorpmn
aqualeoscorpmn

and thats ok, if anyone is feeling uncomfortable there plenty of blogs you you may have better synastry with..

Its not in my view, It sparked off a great part of my chart I didnt even know I was zombing with. For that I am greatful for this post and the responses it elicited.

aqualeoscorpmn
aqualeoscorpmn

YBYW – I dont know about all others but as far as me saying, which I know some people take as, well I eat this organic, and I have this organic. I never say that because im trying to say im more enlightened, I come on blogs to post what I know, is killing people. If I mention something I do as a routine its not to create division, Its to knock said company out of existance by getting people to see there is another way of looking at croporations looking at there bottom line, which is actually a pretty… Read more »

anonymous
anonymous

all well and good but some people can’t afford organic!!

Aqualeoscorpmn
Aqualeoscorpmn

People always bring this up, you will eventually. No one stays that poor forever, and people wanna say this while having there drugs and drink on the weekends, half of yall can afford -it esp my friends that say this yet run a 200 bar tab on the weekends, not all reccomends have even been about organics. Do you have a microwave to heat your food? that you can afford to throw away.

Aqualeoscorpmn
Aqualeoscorpmn

Just because people cant afford it doesnt mean it shouldnt be stated. Anon…

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

WHOAH! Yes i get your cry for lovingkindness but i don’t think you read properly. For example, you just called Mystic Medusa “the fuqed up-clueless-whores cited above”. She posted later that these were her own thoughts.

And the “poor dumb stupid bitches and the shit they say”, well, that would be MM herself and us. YES THAT’S RIGHT – we are making FUN of OURSELVES. A sense of humour goes a long way, don’t you think?

…and your language doesn’t really practice what you’re preaching.

youbetyourwrasse
youbetyourwrasse

Please enlighten me… what language proves hypocrisy? (Cut n paste is practical..but I welcome as many words as you may want to express.) I desire to improve my habits, but know not to what you refer.

If you could be so kind.. I mean not to disrespect, but if I have I will learn to do it less…

humbly… peace

aqualeoscorpmn
aqualeoscorpmn

I like MM’s humor, I have jupiter in the second house so wherever it comes from, I value it. Humor can snap people out of stuff as we have learned above, every astrologer has there own make up and way of interacting. Zombie culture is in our faces lately and I think its a great way to get yourself to wake up out of whatever part of your chart we may be doing that with. And there are astrologers who would never say that, and thats fine Im sure there audience or synastry is meant for that. If you looked… Read more »

aqualeoscorpmn
aqualeoscorpmn

With humor you go in wanting a laugh and have your psyche changed with it. And in the end we can all laugh about it. Which from what I understand about kama if you seen your life, how ridiculous said events it can be well you just have to laugh…

Does not mean were laughing at people just the phenomena in life we all experience at one point or another.

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

Well… you’re bang on my view of humour anyway… life’s a poor player strutting and fretting his hour upon the stage, and all that… sad faced clowns and grinning evil… even Sartre (as Fi quoted on PIAB post) grumbling that by feeling shit he just existed. You know, after my low low times in life i always apologise to the lovely sympathetic people around me for my complaining, and they always reply: Ah but you’re so entertaining the way you do it! There’s salvage in humour.

fallen angel
fallen angel

Venus have Mercy! Well, wrasse my little whippet, if anything at least this blog proves Freedom of Speech is alive and well no? And yes, that means not everyone is going to like what’s posted or how the conversation evolves thereafter. However, it’s a bit rich to call Judgment when you’ve just flung the word whore on someone – was that really necessary? If you found the tone judgmental, then you’ll also know Mystic was directing that judgment at herself (and you would know this if you found time to read through all the 300+ posts) – as she points… Read more »

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

Lady Fallen, you’re SUCH a Kataka. Beautifully put. Is that Australian, btw? I know i have a dirty Merc in Aries sailor mouth but i realised after these posts that i don’t actually call/refer to anyone as whore/bitch… (except on MM’s blog where i’ve referred to pack behaviour at work 😀 ) It just isn’t something we do? But do US peeps do it?

fallen angel
fallen angel

Oh Gawd, was I being sickeningly sweet? haha.. thanks Mille! Do US Peeps use the word whore? Well, colloquially even using the term “Ho” as in “You ma ho-bag, beatch.” is pushing it – even if it’s used as a term of affection among familiars who make it part of group banter. Though “ho” is more common. But the full word “whore” is completely and intentionally derogatory.. Bitch is also frequently used here, i.e. Bitch stop yo bitchin’ please.. again, if this is between friends it can be taken as friendly. I would say that one of the biggest differences… Read more »

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

Merc vs Mars.

And no, not sickeningly sweet. Katakans’ expression is somehow warm and gentle yet sharply to the point: admired very much by any Sagittarian 🙂

Pegasus
Pegasus

Millie, Angel is my emotional barometer as i’m seriously lacking any planets in water signs which may explain my water fetish. She IS my feelings and as supportive as my beloved Kataka Nana was to me.

fallen angel
fallen angel

Auuw, fanks Pegs. And you are my Ever Green Winged Cheer Leader!!
xxoo

Pi
Pi

yes I think the oz humour in mystic’s posts is taken a leeetle bit sensitively by some readers..

fallen angel
fallen angel

Branding? Sh*t, this all says EVENT to moi. It is ON. And frankly the whole Team FUCW vs Team PIAB bit is vibing like an episode of the Real L Word to me – the one where they held a charity event and all the hot lesbians wrestled in jello.

We could host one and give the proceeds to Love-a-holics Anonymous?

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

milleunanotte – USA person here. I told my very American friends about Pseudo Intellectual Astro Bitches and they think it would be an excellent name for a softball team.

fallen angel
fallen angel

They could play against Team Fuqed Up Clueless Whores you know??

Loose Beauty vs Bitchy Brains..

fallen angel
fallen angel

OMG let’s design uniforms already!!! Team FUCW will be in satin baby pink of course with the knee pads obviously being dual use for er..other occasions. Perfect logo, the Rolling Stones’ Tongue and Lip Design. Power Move: Bending Over so as to stop the ball in its tracks. Team PIAB on the other hand would be in Mystery Blue, all their moves would be coded not into hand signals but in cryptic astro instructions which naturally the FUCWs cannot comprehend. Power Move: Levitating while quoting astro and how archetypes (Tarot or otherwise) are relevant to the game. Yes, No?

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

YEEEEESSSS!

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

OMG – FA – I love you.

Was getting concerned today that I may be turning into my Dad because I am developing a strong preference for my pets – all pets and animals – over people. But I do like the people on this blog. Even the haters. They make it spicey. Lol!

Mystic should organize retreats so we could all meet in person somewhere – perhaps the astral plane.

fallen angel
fallen angel

Oh, Great Minds. I’m beginning to suspect we’re a touch impervious to insult..now that we’re officially naming teams haha..

12th House, you are NOT old. I got a book called Hot Guys and Baby Animals for my bday last Friday derived from this site: http://www.hotguysandbabyanimals.com/

Seriously, why didn’t we think of this combo sooner??? HEAVEN!

A facsimile of me is usually “whoring” it up on the astral plane, usually taking karmic points as payment. Amex/Visa/MC is worth dunkus here.

fallen angel
fallen angel

Oh hun, no whore is really clueless – that blank vapid look is just part of the service.

I naturally would hit for both teams, snicker..

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

I’d have to be on team PIAB being as I haven’t had sex in years, can’t be a clueless whore, but I do aspire to whoredom!

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

Love softball – can i play? Although in execution i’m probably more like Clueless Whores… it’s the thought that didn’t count

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Oh, there’s no way I’d play softball. I’m not proud to say, I suck at team sports. Was OK with soccer for a bit. Then an ignored dude with a crush kicked the ball in my face, gave me a bloody nose, and I avoided the field. Hmmm….

Pi
Pi

OR a roller derby team name. Along with Fucked Up Clueless Whores. [lol wrote ‘chores’].

fallen angel
fallen angel

OMG even better!!! UNIFORMS – I want uniforms!! Go Team FUCW!!!

Anonymous
Anonymous

It’s called ‘Horigkeit’ (sp?) – something about other-trouble starting with originary mother-trouble: which explains how it comes to be exclusively a feminine plaint. In a patriarchal society, there might be so little an allowance of nourishment of psyche available to women they end up vampiring it from their daughters (collapsed boundaries, inimically intermixed interior lives i.e. intergenerational transmission of gendered harm, starting with earliest attachment-style. In other words, the usual voodoo that is the transusbstantiation of systematic savage economic disadvantaging to wholescale plunder of souls). Ladies, leave the Echo chamber and get your own nasty Narcissisus on; not an elevated… Read more »

Eth cap
Eth cap

I can relate to this, I was terrified of mum, she was extremely angry and violent but she was breadwinner too she always told me to toughen up. Now we are friends as i realized as an adult she was forced to have me and didn’t want to, that is I learnt compassion for her as a woman in her own right

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

First, MM, thank you for this very important public service announcement. THANK YOU for not encouraging the idea that knowing some dude’s astro chart means you have control over the relationship. For the record, I did have a soul connection relationship that lead me into the scariest “spiritual” period of my life. Three years ago, I would have said it was destiny and no way no how was the relationship not going to happen. So, I def get the love zombie zone. But I can also realize that what really happened there was I moved from being atheist to solidly… Read more »

Pi
Pi

“But consider for a moment, if you are in love zombie mode, that all that love you want to pour all over the normal human fe/male you idealize – imagine all that love coming to you, direct from Source. You don’t have to work for it. You don’t have to overcome to get it. You just have to accept it: love is unconditional. The sooner you can vibe with that reality, the sooner you are free.” I am just loving the wisdom that is emerging in this thread! It’s so true 12V. I am not going through something as intense… Read more »

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Thanks, Pi, I am actually working on a book about a relationship that touches all these themes and more. Jupiter transiting my 9th/10th – hopefully astro-luck is on my self-publishing side. I am a bit fearful this is going to take me forever, so your vision of me as artist is really a comfort right now.

WryGrin
WryGrin

Wow, I’ll read your book 12hv!

I resonated with all you wrote here, that’s a good start 🙂

ethereal cap
ethereal cap

12th house virgo, i so like your ideas re love.

i think you’re right, a bit like you just kinda ‘set and forget’ your heart’s highest intentions, and life unfolds according to the feelings in your heart. you can’t make stuff happen re love, only be your best self and trust in a higher process going on in response to what you generate from within.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Yes, set and forget is how its done. But you make it sound so easy 🙂 We all know accepting all that vitality – passion/aggression – and just letting it be is really, really, really hard.

Anonymous
Anonymous

ha ha, you’re right, tis fuqin hard…spec. when your astro looks like you won’t meet mr right till you’re 60 ! i don’t know, part of salvaging myself from my prev. long-term rel has been becoming really good friends with my ex, and basically just darn well growing up and being grateful for all the good things i have in my life, which are so very many.

we can be happy in our own lives i reckon, we don’t ‘need’ to be in a love rel. Golden retrievers and cats work for me too, lol.xxx

ethereal cap
ethereal cap

oh that was me

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

12th house Virgo, I am with you. I am in a soulmate connection that I cannot let go of. It might sound completely bizarre to most but when you are connected it is hard to let go so you have to work with what is being given. I honestly believe that God match us together to learn something (transform our love ideas) since we met in 2009 and I think that was the time that most would begin the transformation. Let me tell you I changed a lot. Mostly my attachment to God. I let Him in. It was the… Read more »

morphing now
morphing now

it can be very mesmirisig meeting yourself in the mirror

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Virgo Ellie – you CAN let go of it. Once upon a time, I would have smacked someone for suggesting that to me. But the Sag Sun Cap Moon guy I had the connection and dead-mother visits from – its done. Done. I have no hopes of romance with him. We’re just no compatible. Its kind of sad that such magic is now just ordinary, but it is. I don’t want to hear from him again. But I am sure I could handle it gracefully if I did. Because I am at peace. After I got out of that connection… Read more »

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

12th house in Virgo.. I agree and understand the letting go part. I am not obsessed in the sense that I try to get him to notice me. I have TOO many things going on in my life that I don’t have time for it. So, I have been letting go. I think the sad thing is that HE was the one that pursued me even after we had the talk that we would be just friends. I went with it knowing full well that he wasn’t into it like I was.. I accepted that. Of course he kept calling… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

Excuses, excuses… there are a few love zombies here in denial. “oh my story is different..”. Yeah sure. Talk to the hand dark *puts palm up in air*
Who cares who pursued whom! If he’s not in your life now. He’s not that into you. Full stop. And if he ignores you at the reunion then he’s a jerk!
It’s not a *fact* that you love and care for him. It’s a *feeling* and feelings come and go.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Yes I agree. If he’s with you in real life, physically present and committed, you’re in a relationship. If not, it’s IN YOUR FANTASIES, Virgo Ellie.

Maybe discussing the need to buy toilet paper etc which happens in real relationships,
is not karmic enough for you, but snuggling up to a man who adores you night after night in real life beats a solo fantasy – when you are ready for it 🙂

Good luck sweetie

WryGrin
WryGrin

That last was from me.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

PS – I was confessing to another Gemini friend that the relationship I want doesn’t exist. He asked me to describe the relationship and all I could describe was the weird, intense, spiritual transformation I went through. But I summarized with “Just because you can connect to a guy’s dead Mother doesn’t mean he’s into you.” LOL! Thank God I can laugh about these things now. Now, when I feel sad that some romantic interest isn’t latching on to my spiritual-sexy-goodness, I think about how long I rejected God/Source/Whatever in my own life. If God can be rejected, so can… Read more »

davidl
davidl

Hit the nail on the head there. I remember a time in the depths of my years self imposed seclusion in the ‘hills’ when I realised something similar. That all those love songs can be like sonnets to Source. Really helped me clear the pipes on secret unfinished womens business that had been going on. I was spending a lot of time with Krsna’s and raja yoga/devotional practice. It was damned romantic love too. Quite beautiful and liberating.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

I’m a Sufi mystic at heart – always in love with the Beloved. It is quite romantic. I just ocassionally have to slap myself to wake up to the fact that the “Man” behind that isn’t real – its just the poetry of living.

Aqualeoscorpmn
Aqualeoscorpmn

Ive never thought knowing astrology will make me have control over anyone, just myself and people not having control of me.

Aside from so many life affirming death busting things- Astrology is great for liars, hypers & manipulativists. If it aint meant to be it just wont, you cant change your birthchart or his, but you can change how you feel about it.

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

Qawwali! It transports me to everything Real and Beautiful and Loving in an instant. My fave is Nusrat Fateh Ali Kahn, of course. Brilliance!

Rumi. Rainer Maria Rilke was enthralled with Sufi mysticism. It’s so gorgeous… Rumi realized that The love affair was our connection to Source; all other relationships were simply a smaller expression of The One.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Yup. That big old uber Romantic Love with God. Makes me think I will never ever ever have human sex again. But, I did make progress this weekend in realizing that the relationship I want doesn’t really exist – at least – outside of it being my realtionship to Source. Connection to All That Is or some guy – how can I argue with All That IS? Although, I do hope that All That IS arranges for me to have sex again before I die…again.

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

Haha! Oh, 12HV… What do you miss most about sex? Or should I say, what is it about sex that you are craving?

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Touch. Touch in ways that would be inappropriate with my cuddling compainions (pets and child). Angels don’t get touch. Its one of the simple (or, rather, not too simple) pleasures of being alive, incarnate.

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

Touch is irreplaceable. Agreed. Sending wishes that you’ll soon be touched in all the right ways. xo

Anonymous
Anonymous

Thanks! I’m feeling sexier already 🙂

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

losing track of comments here -but that last was me, Scorp Inc. 🙂

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

Awww yeah

😉

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Comments are getting to small – but re the sex thing – I do realize I could grab some guy a fuck right now. Or some girl. I have a Gemini man in an open marriage and a bi Saggitarius female staying in my house right now. I’m pretty sure I could sell them on a three way. And that would no doubt involving touching. But sex – its about intimacy and sharing of power, not shrinking and ego gratification – and I SMELL it on others. I can’t explain. Its a note I want to hit, I want to… Read more »

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

lol Yeah, I hear you: you want that deep connection, not a fuck. Two totally different things, for sure.

A fuck is qi draining; real intimacy is nourishing.

Aqualeoscorpmn
Aqualeoscorpmn

In lieu of USqPL

Fuks can be just as rewarding. Just gotta drop that damn to do list. Its a known fact for scorpmooners a good jag in the sheets or wooded area is quite benificial. Not everyone wants what you want. So qi is not drained For everyone just for yourself.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

God bless fuckers everywhere. And thank God for astrology which has really helped me accept myself and my cravings as natural to me. Not trying to put them on anyone else. We all have our strengths/weaknesses. I was no blessed with a Scorp moon.

ethereal cap
ethereal cap

12th hv, could the rel you want be some kind of new age/evo kind of friendship/sex rel, as opposed to trad rel? 🙂

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

I don’t know. I can’t imagine doing paperwork over a relationship again. Marriage is a pain in the ass. Sincerity. Connection. Those things. And those are hard to find in even casual relationships, really. Most people are lying to themselves. And I can’t help it. Its like you see a zit on a friend’s face and you feel a need to pop it or at least tell them to take care of it. I tend to pop people’s bubbles, so, whoever I relate to needs to be into that – or at least – into me in spite of that.… Read more »

Eth cap
Eth cap

Yes I know I can be in two minds re same thing diff times sounds like deep and integrity u r after ?:)

Vuldaen
Vuldaen

Yeah it all sounds like an attempt to legitimatise/rationalise bullshit/non-existant relationships.

Channel the wasted emo in to loving yourself as there’s some serious self-esteem issues if you’re gonna invest in such a one sided love affair.

Pegasus
Pegasus

ALL of the above is why in 1993 when i re-discovered Tantra (in 60’s it under heading of Kama Sutra, then Osho brought it to the West in 70’s), when i realised if sex can kill, then so it can cure, and as a safe sex educator in 80’s i asked ‘do we want to die from love’, i knew we needed a different mind set and a safer way to explore our libidos that also entails bringing in Spirit, hence the term sacred sexuality. And yet from my years of study & practise in fell into the worst relationship… Read more »

K-Gem
K-Gem

Well well Mytic: you’ve hit on a raw nerve here! One of the things that I find so frustrating with friendships sometimes is this belief that it’s all just about cheerleading. I watched at close hand last year as someone I respected walked out of her 17 year marriage and then made stupid decision after stupid decision while her close ‘friends’ cheered her on. For example: went house sitting at four separate houses for a month each after walking out of marriage- she was earning excellent money and could afford her own place – upshot – she was unsettled. I… Read more »

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

Most people don’t make good decisions when they are teenagers. And because this person hasn’t been allowed to make ‘real decisions’ before, she’s sort of an honorary teenager mentally so she’s going to make some crazy mistakes. It’s gotta suck being the one friend who is the realist when everybody else seems sort of immature.

anonymous
anonymous

Saturn in Scorpio will help her GROW UP!!

Vuldaen
Vuldaen

Sounds harsh but I’d walk away from it too. It almost sounds like by exiting the marriage, a facade of togetherness has come down. Sounds like she just needs approval from other people and is pandering to the cheerleading crowd. And yeah you’re right, the whole cheerleading crowd is damaging. They seem to think they’re acting in the persons interest but ultimately no as you’ve pointed out. I have to say, I’ve fallen in to that trap before and it’s backfired big time, left with the exact opposite of what I wanted. I listened to others and I lost out… Read more »

Anony_Aus
Anony_Aus

I have a touch of the Love Zombie about me, but the first step toward being a recovering Love Zombie, is being able to admit you are one. Only then can the healing begin.

Sunrise
Sunrise

I understand because I have lost my ‘idiot compassion’ lately too.

Just dying to tell off my Love Zombie friend and can’t even be around her at the moment since you can’t be on Earth and in Denial at the same time.

Must be a saturn-moon transit thing. Was a bit harsh though in its delivery.

Mimz
Mimz

WOW! That was SO good for me… have been with a guy with a heroin problem..thinking he will get off it for me.. UM NO! Thats never going to happen I need to kick this to the curb and FUQ it!!!! If your guy is on drugs then its JUST not WORTH IT!!!!

Charley
Charley

Christ on a bike, this post went mental. Meant to post one of my favourite quotes hours ago when there were no other posts. It seemed appropriate to the original point and something always worth keeping in mind.

“Advice is what you ask for when you already know the answer but wish you didn’t.”

— Erica Jong

Gneiss Rox
Gneiss Rox

Someone (soz can’t remember who) gave this quote many posts back which rang my bells ! * Genius * ‘Don’t treat someone like a priority, when they treat you like an option.” great comments all…channeling lower chakra sexual energies into spiritual strength and personal power is what I am here to learn. …in addition to playing guitar. wtf I write, never thought I would do that, so guitar is next yeeeah Saturn Rx in 3 tackles another obstacle – hey Sweets wanna be in a kickass grrrl band ?! We would have soOo much fun ! Pegs ? Rockstar ?… Read more »

sweetpea
sweetpea

Oh heck yeah, girl band all the way! I can sing and write lyrics wich ya…x haha

sweetpea
sweetpea

Was reading that back in the day, record peeps would send Iva Davies a song and by ear, he would work out how to put it down on paper as he was classicaly trained and could read/write music. This is what he did after he quit the orchestra/symphony work and before he became a rock star. He didn’t pick up a guitar until he was 21.

Sun/Mn/Merc/Mars/SN in Gemini…Interesting!

Scorpy, any word on a birth time yet? 🙂

scorpylicious
scorpylicious

left you a comment on the “Zap Zone Kind Of A Guy” thread 🙂

sweetpea
sweetpea

Oh darling I am gonna trot quick smart..(Ozzie slang…I did good no?) over there!

There better be a birth time or I’m comin’ afta…hehe

Thanks tho, for your efforts what ever fruits…(never mind…lol)

sweetpea
sweetpea

Thanks for the post and link Scorpy! x

Yeah, it shows Libra rising (would just to the Venusian flavor going on already)..but I don’t see a time referenced.

It’s 10:30 pm here and so will look at tomorrow when fresh.

Thanks again! And yes, I guess we can be assured that with a stellium of five placements in Gemini he is probably damn hilar when he wants to be. x

Scorpylicious
Scorpylicious

yeah, bummer about no time or degrees of planets. So not sure how accurate that chart is but Libra rising seems to fit with his ballerina ex wife as you say. My friend is a Libran and his daughter a gorgeous ballerina. Lots of synchronicity going on! 🙂

Rox
Rox

Cool story ! Have tried to read music, but have an ear not an eye …played piano when a kid, all by ear. I know lots of pickers that use tabs, & are wizards anyway. Cleaning basement and where the heck is that tuner ? Still separating my media etc.. from the ex. – whadda mess, 2 toro moons fer chrissakes ! We have a LOT of music. Neptune my most aspected; his Neptuner in first.
You jus’ know I’ll be brainstorming band names now haha xo

sweetpea
sweetpea

How about ~Roxy~ Music cept the updated female version.. 😉

Now I’ll be thinking of names too! Ha, a cyber band, no?

Cool about your music Rox and you and your ex’s Neptunian proclivities.

Noticed I did not see you on the Neptune and Venus aspect thread…You have those in aspect, no?

Working hard? Missed you! x

Rox
Rox

Yes Ven conj Jup 8 squ Scorp Nept 11 – you have opposite right ?
Mine is bloody hell of an aspect for the love life, but stellar for metaphysics. Once I sat the bottle down I figured it out, took me a while though. Being single has allowed me time to explore without distraction.
Same for you ? Love the freedom of setting my own hours … If I wanna write and spin records in the wee hours, I do ! I’ve missed you too x

Sue@

Ha! What a response. LOL LOL I can’t talk – I am still in love with a guy who’s dead!!!!

willowwolf
willowwolf

**GREAT POST** 🙂 LOL
Just asked the oracle a question and got:
‘You need to stop freaking out that you’re not good enough. Could actual therapy be brill for your self-esteem?’ 🙂
Needless to say it wasn’t to do with my question, but that I was really thinking about this post 🙂

older/wiser Virgo
older/wiser Virgo

Thanks! I needed that slap in the face. Snapping out of it.

Dixie
Dixie

My Pluto conj Asc sq 10H Venus & my 11H Mars trine 3H Neptune; w/ 50+ years under my belt, I’ve been a LZ more that I care to recall, each being a major step closer to self-actualization. The path out of LZ is never readily obvious, but as Pluto transited 4H & its natal Saturn I found an eye-opening watershed moments as I stared into my personal mirror & saw childhood dynamics re-played in all my adult relationships. MM definitely hit one of love’s most sensitive nerves w/ wisdom & humor, a few of the tools necessary for any… Read more »

orderoutofchaos
orderoutofchaos

You’re right Mystic! We have all been there sometime. My teenage daughter and I watched the chick flick “He’s just not that into you” and it was excellent for both of us. if one of us slips into Love Zombie territory, the other recites the mantra and we change direction before harm.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Warning – I feel a rant coming on. I hear people talking about controling feelings. You CANNOT control feeling. You CANNOT decide to feel that its cold outside. That’s just a simple example. But once you realize you are not your feelings, you realize the dead whisper in your ear sometimes. Really. There’s a lot going on in this world of ours. And we are in the zap zone. There are rules to living. Here are the rules: 1. You must breathe 2. You must eat/drink 3. You must shit and piss 4. You must sleep 5. You must maintain… Read more »

Dominique
Dominique

hahah love thisss

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

It’s true: we can control our cognitions, and our behavior– but not our feelings. We can work to *understand* our feelings and thereby learn to use them to our advantage (which is what feelings are for!), but feelings come and go on their own terms.

sweetpea
sweetpea

Seth said “you are not your feelings”…

I agree…They shift like the light on a long afternoon at dusk…

However, they must be dealt with in terms of the feelings and textures of the Soul that must be healed from a myriad of lifetimes..

Sometimes a situation will provoke that healing all at once and in a matter of years…

When you compare that to aeons of ignorance…Wouldn’t you rather face it and get it over with so your Soul can be liberated?

I would. It just took me a while to sort what the fuq was going on…lol

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

🙂

Sweetpea, I think that the time you took “to sort what the fuq was going on” was part of the process, you know? You started that journey of facing the very moment you asked, “What the fuq is going on?” haha It’s a long, winding, bumpy road to self-actualization and healing– and never linear.

Nicely done 😉

evananda
evananda

When I am using the term “heratbreak” what that is referring to is a break in the energetic connection between two people.

Often this may first be experienced by a child of divorce when Daddy leaves, and that “abandonment” is experienced as that “energetic break” in the heart to heart connection, between child and parent.

The child is then set up for life often seeking to heal the original break with sexual experiences with many people. Eventually, when not found, that original heart break will come back very forcefully.

Dominique
Dominique

I do think this is 100% true. And this is precisely why you CAN’T control feelings – because of childhood programming and the spontaneous reaction that arises from natural, organic emotion. Anyone (or anything) that experiences emotion will react to certain stimuli in the same way: either by breaking the energetic connection, or allowing the energetic connection to get ‘tangled’ and impeded. That’s why heartbreak feels like you’re dying – because PRANA (i.e., life force) flows through the energetic channels, and thus feeds us. But when we cut energetic connections to the heart (or have enough ‘tangles’ and impediments in… Read more »

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

Fear, anger, betrayal, abandonment– all of these seemingly negative feelings are actually beneficial! They are strong clues to the experiencer about what has gone before and what actions to take next. In describing the offense, they prescribe the remedy. Feelings are tools at your disposal: use them, be empowered by them! The less we examine our feelings, the more lost or stuck we may feel. All self-eval is meaningful and purpose-driven. Whether you approach your feelings from a psychological theoretical perspective, Eastern teachings, astro– or an eclectic blend of all of the above, your efforts and journey will pay off… Read more »

Evananda
Evananda

Getting hit by a bus in Midtown Manhattan can be a very benificial experience for those that need to work through that karma of hurting or killing people in a past life.

No one should ever feel the least bit sorry when this happens, but always see the wonderful opportunity in everything.

There are no negatives only lessons to be learned.

NOTE: The above is meant to be satire.

sweetpea
sweetpea

And what people may not understand is that karma is not about PUNISHMENT..

But about editing the flow…the ego wants to control and edit the flow of God/Goddess expression..

We must now let that expression flow and with that, it will look ugly and unpleasant as that flow upheavels long cherished(albiet evil at times…lol) ideas, etc..on what creation should be…

So laugh when you need to laugh and cry when you need to cry but like booze…be responsible with it for if it should overtake you, you do not have self mastery..

(still working on it myself…)
x

Aqualeoscorpmn
Aqualeoscorpmn

I agree Evananda about the bus thing, one of my favorite things to study was NDE experiences. And finally they showed up on tv which im sure you know about if you live in the states called I survived, and I survivied and Back. That so cleared up any misconceptions I had about death. funny everything you speak of here so resonates with me and I found another link, I keep running into this feel everyones death for them. As I have studied and know when anything bad happens. And u know what, my over compassion for what is like… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

sorry my venus is in the 8th by its self too. so just makes so much sense.

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

Amen, Evananda 🙂

Aqualeoscorpmn
Aqualeoscorpmn

Wow Evananda really literally means that, I never visualized it before. Was pretty neat and explained alot.

aqualeoscoprmn
aqualeoscoprmn

energetic heartbreak

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

I realize this sounds selfish, but it’s the truth: Anything less than what I want is worthless to me. I might as well have nothing. Nothing is more predictable, easier to comprehend, and safer for both parties. I can’t pretend to have feelings for someone even though I have tried, in my younger days, faking that sort of thing. I have learned to accept this about myself and it was a hard thing to accept. I used to think I could *make* myself love anyone. I envy the women who can do this sort of love-the-one-you’re-with sort of philosophy. The… Read more »

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Electric Eel Libran – not sure why you commented here, but I agree. I don’t want anything but what I want. Especially in a relationship. But my comment is about life. The interconnectedness of all beings isn’t a “faked” emotion – its how psychic/ju-ju/metaphysics/quantum physics works.

Eelectric Eel Libran
Eelectric Eel Libran

I realize this sounds selfish, but it’s the truth: Anything less than what I want is worthless to me. I might as well have nothing. Nothing is more predictable, easier to comprehend, and safer for both parties. I can’t pretend to have feelings for someone even though I have tried, in my younger days, faking that sort of thing. I have learned to accept this about myself and it was a hard thing to accept. I used to think I could *make* myself love anyone. I envy the women who can do this sort of love-the-one-you’re-with sort of philosophy. The… Read more »

missfine
missfine

Hey why didn’t you post this 4 months ago?! I could have used the slap. I MIGHT have listened. I was 100% the girl you described above. The guy told me he wasn’t in love with me, that he loved his ex, that he wished he could love me…. I thought the progressed composite moon in the 7th meant something…my friends hated me for talking about it everyday, the guy was a drunk, an addict, broke, homeless, and OH YEAH I even did bath salts with the guy. NO FUGGIN JOKE. Why, you ask? Oh you know…musicians…somehow they can get… Read more »

puzzldthennotnow
puzzldthennotnow

Never understood WHY!!!?? one of my relatives consistently gravitates to/seeks out/attracts all the WRONG sicko/psycho creeps that the earth vomits up until I took a loooong look at her chart – it was all there – basically ruled by rage and a love of drama/tension that is played out in mega mind games that verge on violence while portraying herself as victim Pretty tough to take when you witness it for yrs on end in a blood relative who refuses to listen to anyone But then all her female relationships are pretty much just milder versions of the same –… Read more »

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

“But to see her no one would guess that beneath that oh so polished exterior is a seething mess”

— no one, except her family. And her therapist, after just one appointment, I’m sure! LOL

scorpiorising
scorpiorising

A Borderline-Narcissist perhaps?

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

Def a Cluster B dx. Yep.

Liz
Liz

I was born to a man and woman and sister who seem to need relationship chaos and destructive circus lives just as innately as mammals need air to breath, just as vultures are drawn to wounded beasts, just as flies are drawn to doody.

Live this way if you like – it is your business and not mine. Live this way, whine to me while projecting the blame for its consequences upon the buffoons you bring into your circle and I will detach from you as thoroughly and permanently as possible.

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Liz on.. Yup.. I had to walk away from a friend who I was completely open to about my relationship situation, she knew him. Her relationship situation was unbareable. After she called to create drama about my guy I decided to walk away. She is STILL in that relationship, asking for help and in total denial that she could be the reason for why her guy is causing problems. I keep my distance. I don’t know about you but I have 2 friends who want drama. I don’t understand that concept. When I see them reaching out to me I… Read more »

morphing now
morphing now

Oh yeah! I recently (finally) told a friend who flitted into my life when she wanted advice or just someone to listen that I was fed up with her whinging. The ‘problems’ that her partner was causing her through his ‘inaction’ were not his problems at all…. they were hers!!!! The ‘problem’ was her inaction in confronting the people that were still major players in his life, like, you know …. sons and daughter, maternal grandparents that he had to stay on good terms with to see his kids, the mother of his children … that were all ensuring that… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

As a friend and confidante to many of them, it seems to me that Love Zombies become Qi Vampires rather quickly …

Liz
Liz

Yeah, it seems they want to be the eternal damsel in distress. All attention and aid going to them.

I will offer my sincerest wisdom and save your ass once, maybe twice but once I realize that you are manipulating the insanity I will be mighty pissed at being used and all my good intentions wasted in your psycho games.

Dominique
Dominique

haha I love this so much! I feel the same way, one hundred percent. There has to be something in my chart that literally forces me to remove myself from circumstances like this, and detach entirely from these people. What do you think makes you like this Liz (astrology-wise)? Mars in the 10th house (Gem) for me may have a lot to do with it. Also Virgo Sun/Merc/Jup in 12th + Virgo AC. Eh and I guess my Aries Moon in the 8th. My whole family also did everything to take away everything I ever had – any power, any… Read more »

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

I wonder if that is a 12th house condition, Dominique. I too have found my best relationship option is very often to let go. Let go, let go, let go!

Dominique
Dominique

Yes, I agree. I think the most important thing I have learned in this life – due to the fact that I have a 12th house Virgo stellium probably – is that I cannot avoid responsibility. That doesn’t mean staying in fucked up situations where I continuously get abused because I feel ‘responsible’ for the other person’s happiness. What it DOES mean is making choices and standing behind them. We (everyone) need to start making choices that take us out of the victim/martyr cycle. For me, that meant I first had to (finally) accept that I was/am the victim in… Read more »

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

You know, you’re articulating something I noticed as a healing pattern. Children must negotiate. They MUST to survive. But by the time we grow up, its hard to remember that we always KNEW this kind of behavior was wrong. The child can’t escape, and the grown-up – far too often – fails to recognize freedom when it comes. I now see people who won’t heal themselves as child abusers because they continue to punish their inner child by repeating the pattern of the original abuser – either in action or expectation. We all must step up and be the grown-up… Read more »

Liz
Liz

I wish I had a better sense of it astrologically. I’m Pisces Rising. Venus, Chiron in Pisces and Saturn (in Aquarius) reside in my 12th. I believe this helped me to be a chameleon and bluff/blend my way thru the early years – but I’m so empathic and loyal that their nuttiness had me spinning for way too long. Thier charts tho make me understand that there is truth to be found in the Sabian symbols. Mom’s MC and sis’ Sun are both at 23 Sagittarius which in Sabian is about setting yourself up for likely negative outcomes “The bluebird,… Read more »

Dominique
Dominique

Ha, yep, so it looks like the 12th house is something we all have in common.. And TOTALLY agree about the ‘bluffing’ your way through the early years, & how it left you spinning… that’s basically exactly what happened with me, and still coping with the aftermath. So at this point, I don’t really care about anything, it’s just about survival. Unfortunately. I wish it didn’t have to be like this, but when you’ve been so severely abused/programmed by abusiveness, you have to begin at square one. In other words, the root chakra is activated, and it dredges up all… Read more »

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Dominique – your write here about the need to relearn survival – its been so touching to hear someone else say it. Sometimes I think I am being too extreme or perhaps my perspective is skewed toward my past. Then again, each day it seems I gain new appreciation for just how emotionally abusive my childhood was. Stunning really. My point is that hearing you speak my experience that way is really touching. We may not be friends in real life, but its so good to know others are out there. 🙂

Dominique
Dominique

Aw, wow, I’m really glad to hear that. It makes me happy to know that sharing my pain is not without purpose, and is actually beneficial to someone – if only by virtue of connecting to each other, and somehow feeling more whole that way.

Aqualeoscorpmn
Aqualeoscorpmn

I love sabians too. But most ppl dont know there correct btime. So you and like close fam is most who u get to work with.. Mine were mKing sense and others were riddles. Eh the univers knows i luv those. So im ak that i dont understand everyone yet.

Im having fun with asteroids now though those are pretty darn accurate.

sweetpea
sweetpea

True Evananda, lived that exact thing with someone…Was exhausting and getting thru that passage (energy) was one of the hardest things I ever had to do. This is why my views and feelings on sex, etc are completely 180 from where they had been or where I hadn’t even been aware of where they were! And yes I nearly alienated a few people because of my pain and it was humiliating and embarrassing at times but it simply was not done until it was done. That took me getting mad enough to not let something have power over me. Wondering… Read more »

sweetpea
sweetpea

~Of course you are so right in your advice. First move away from the relationship that is causing pain – confusion etc… and then try to understand how kama drives us to make the same mistakes over and over again~

If only I’d had that knowledge at the time. Can still picture myself impulsively living for the moment and casting all care to the wind and hating myself for my weakness all the while.

All my spiritual teacher had said at the time was “get down into your solar plexus more”…meaning, cultivate some personal power! Think your explanation is good info…

Evananda
Evananda

I would say get out of your solar plexus and get into your higher chakras … especially the third eye … where the ability to discern resides.

sweetpea
sweetpea

Yes, well that was the outcome and exercise so to speak…However, one must get beyond the power issues of the solar plexus in order to let the energy rise to the heart… But when I really felt it in my heart, and I was on the floor sobbing…and understood this was a dilemma for humanity, that is when the light came, quite literally. It’s so true that only when the heart breaks can we understand the dilemma of duality…x I thought of my girls when I grokked that…which quite frankly was beyond any intellectual “grokking”..just a feeling of compassion and… Read more »

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Sweetpea, I agree. When I was dating more than lately several years ago.. boy I went through torture. Took a lot of time off to center myself (through the martial arts) that broke me out of that mold. Woke up in 2009 and things just started flowing and my opinion about sex was much more relaxed than it was. I love what I know now about sex. My only question is “why can’t men and women be just friends without sex?”. I love being with my gay male friends because they love me without any misunderstanding of what will come… Read more »

sweetpea
sweetpea

“Why can’t men just be friends without the sex?”

Because the female…Shakti…the Goddess…Maya…is the wherewithall to what we see here and now…Creation..

x

davidl
davidl

Great post Evananda. These are Vedic teachings you are working with here ? So interesting how 5,000 year old teachings can be so relevant, healing in our lives today. Do you think we have learn’t anything in that time ?

morphing now
morphing now

This is totally off the point but what do you think about the fairly recent findings of religious temples being unearthe in Turkey that are around 12000 years old? I wonder what their doctrines were?

Evananda
Evananda

Haha, Interesting. As a healer I deal with these same issues from my clients everyday. Eighty percent of my clients are women, so though I’m a man, I understand this perspective very well. Probably the most importnant thing I try to impress on my clients is that they are not so much in a “karmic loop” but rather caught in their own kama – desire. Think Kama Sutras. That kama – or sexual desire is the underlying energy that is responsible for the continuation of this creation, or really I should say, illusion. Known in the Vedas as Maya, the… Read more »

morphing now
morphing now

Whew! At first I thought your spelling was somehow askew, and then I looked up the difference between kama and karma – Kama is desire itself and Karma means actions stemming from desire. Thank you for informing! Do you not see that sometimes embracing kama is a good experience? Do you teach them how to find beauty and wonder in the connection between karma and kama? I dunno…..I just can’t come to grips with the constant bombardment of ‘live life to mediocrity and you will be happy….isn’t karma the completion of a cycle? How are you teaching them to recognise… Read more »

morphing now
morphing now

perhaps the kama they are acting upon isn’t actually always sexual? Sex is just the a relieving outlet because it is instant?

Evananda
Evananda

morphing now, Absolutly kama is a wonder to enjoy… and it is precisely that power that we need to acknowlege. Kama carries with it the seeds of great creation and destruction. Just having the understanding that this power is there, and it is OUTSIDE of our egos. That freedom can become the freedom to create with the kama energy. An amazing power is hidden there, that can become in our lives Divine. But with every real power or opportunity in spirituality there is always a trap, waiting…. if we do not respect that power our egos will lead us into… Read more »

morphing now
morphing now

It’s so interesting what you have written, I wish we could have a conversation properly

evananda
evananda

my email is [email protected]

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Evananda, good read. So, Thank You.. But what if the karma attachment is a great lesson to learn from? I think everyone has this perception (society) that relationships start here, then this happens, and then it goes this way.. etc, etc.. but what happens if you just enjoy the time with your karmic connection and have a fun life. I don’t consider my karmic connection bad. For me it has been fullfilling and provided me with a lot insight on how a relationship should be for me. Fun, growing and being at peace. If people are in karmic relationships and… Read more »

Evananda
Evananda

virgo, then you have had a great blessing, but not everyone does and maybe people go along experiencing just what you have for many years and then one days … oops… bang and the pain comes. Somethimes what we want to do is settle the karma from the past and instead we wind up creating new and stronger karma. Some people are happy being on the wheel, ie living in the illusion and some people want to pierce the illusion and know the reality behind the Maya. Every new partner often has the effect of binding us more strongly to… Read more »

aqualeoscorpmn
aqualeoscorpmn

This is def me wanting to pierce the illusion and I have done so, with my mercury in pisces I think that placement has already learned pretty quickly the nature between dreams and “real life” also In my studies of psychoactive plant compounds speak of the same thing. So that is another way I look at my partners now as being illusionary. I still treat them with the same respect, but I always treat all of my life as.. Well its an illusion, would you want to be so hurt over what is not truly there, or so angry or… Read more »

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

On the differences between how the genders deal wtih powerful emotional connections….I am tempted to go on an academic rant about the origins of the word Lucifer or how the devil grew horns and all the other myths that were about disempowering the Earth Mother Goddess. But I don’t want to imply that “feminine” is being MORE victimized or is holier than “male.” But the truth is our species very systematically sought ways to cut off a woman from her root chi power. And that women now are – I sense – really overwhelmed when a love touches their core… Read more »

Miu
Miu

Re: Evananda – Your post addresses a lot of good points…. I would also add that due to the pace of society and the era that we now live in (with technological advancement), the wisdom of ‘listening’ to the body is confused with the ‘idea’ of sexuality and sexual satisfaction. Usually a young adult will be thrown into a state of flux trying to understand what their body truly needs, and the sexual images/expectations deemed normal by societal standards. Society (unknowingly) plays off sexual desire as an entitlement; or an ‘exploration’ which doesn’t come with spiritual/or ‘higher’ responsibility. This only… Read more »

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Miu – SUCH a great comment. I have high hopes that Saturn in Scorpio will bring more understanding to surface. Its time for evolved understanding of sexual energy.

Miu
Miu

12th House Virgo: A time of transformation… “The Alchemy of Sexual(ity)”. Perhaps too, your book will be part of this exploration(?), or aid in it. Virgo is committed to being ‘of service’, and in the 12th house you can be ‘of service’ in helping other individuals understand their kama/karmic responsibilities. Your contribution on this blog is an example…*smile.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Thanks, Miu.

jamela
jamela

you know i have been wondering if neptune affects this stuff… i am by no means an astro-afficionado but my friend just lost her crazy-man at the same time that i seem to have found one. just at the point neptune does a change of scene… i wonder you know, delusions etc. out of character and never seen before for both of us… i think there is some fancy psych stuff going on in these situations that mystic does well to steer clear of… zapping someone unexpectedly and repeatedly until their emotional range reduces to pleasure or pain, and it… Read more »

Pi
Pi

Something else that helped me unravel my ‘need’ for lurve n affection from one male was to soak it up in whatever form it came in from all of my friends. Aesthetic appreciation? Look my best, send out the compliments and accept with grace the ones that come my way. Cuddles? well, hug someone. Missing a man in my life? how about I get busy enjoying the company of all the divine men who I already know and share my life with as friends? etc… building a home from what is already on your block seems povvo but makes for… Read more »

Pi
Pi

sorry – ‘povvo’ = slang for poverty / poverty stricken

quintile
quintile

luv it Pi – building a home from what is on your block – reminded me of a dream a while ago in which I did just that and was surrounded by loving kids and other friends – thanks!

Pi
Pi

what a great dream, quintile! pi x

Anon
Anon

yeah.. but two astrologers in the semi obsessive long distances.. tangle against the tide of the world.. their significant others, they should be the ones who know this stuff! What happens to them in this mess?

Do these two qualify as Love Zombies because its dangerously mutual?

And they seem to be aware of the risks and even though have never touched before.. are getting dirty looks from their significant others… and.. ah.. just venting. or maybe a cry for help… it may go away one day.. who can say?

12th house Virgo
12th house Virgo

Anon – I have a few simple tips. One – watch the pronouns you use and only talk about what you are feeling. You cannot feel “they.” Just try that as a rule. The only person who can own/sort/understand your feelings is you. Stay centered there. As for what astrologers should know – astology is there to help you understand yourself. Use it as a tool for that – not a tool for projecting control onto challenging situations. You’re in control.

Anon
Anon

The idea of control is a tricky concept. I can’t control the weather, just how I feel about it. I can not control an earthquake, just makes sense to do what I must or get out of its way.. But to defend one’s self against or to control one’s self concerning love.. a love that feels on a completely different level than anything I have encountered in my life.. and not to share that, and yet have someone echo the exact same thing back to me. Is there an echo.. or is it a feedback loop. I am true to… Read more »

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

You can’t control your feelings. Not about the weather, not about anything. But that doesn’t mean they have to control you. Hard lesson, but one of rapid evolution. Stay true to your core, don’t speak in they, and – yes – the magic is real although the relationship may never be. Have faith, being open hearted is a challenge, to be hurt over and over again. And these big loves just rip your heart right open so that it can never fully close again. It would be sad to make all that power about a semi or entirely un available… Read more »

ethereal cap
ethereal cap

i don’t know anything about love, cept that it’s sorta irrational and just happens, and that whatever i get myself into or not into – it’s my responsibility, that is all.

doublekataka
doublekataka

I’ve been wading through Plutonic sludge for several years, and during that time I’ve really had to learn what mystic has SO clearly outlined in this post. So here’s how my ‘cure’ happened: The tipping point came last year when I had a dream. In this dream, I got a clear look at my interactions with a certain distant and actually, quite mean man who i was a love zombie for. A voice explained to me very clearly that this was a father issue- I waited so hard for him to call or email, worked so hard to get any… Read more »

Quadrupled
Quadrupled

This is precisely how I crawled out from the bottom of the sh!tfest, running from 2008 to 2010 in a “relationship” that demolished my self-respect – it was all about parental validation and approval I failed to receive during my childhood.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Chilling when you realise it, isn’t it?

WryGrin
WryGrin

Several years after I’d woken up and moved on from my delusional belief in a connection that was not real with a guy, I looked back and was chilled to note the similarities the ‘relationship’ had, with my relationship to my mother. Let’s see: both of he and my mom were unavailable emotionally but occasionally threw me a bone, both were self- obsessed, both were happy to let me do things for them but not cut me loose, both had no interest in getting to know me. Because my mom was geographically unavailable I picked someone similar to work through… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

I second the “If someone isn’t treating you right, forget the Tarot cards! Buy a bus ticket and bail!”

Pi
Pi

Yep…

mulltiair
mulltiair

Mars/Pluto square Venus. Guilty as charged. Ha ha.

pinned
pinned

http://thehairpin.com/2012/01/ask-a-married-dude-bob-and-eli

A married dude’s take on this, but hilarious, hilarious comments.

You’re welcome. No, really, that’s ok. No.. Really.

Well, if you must, please donate to the RSPCA.

Pi
Pi

That’s a great site, Pinned, thanks

lovestruckgoddess
lovestruckgoddess

i had an obession with someone ridiculously inappropriate lasted for ages would flare up and die down and then up again over time. i finally got to meet them and there was nothing there – well durr – like dorothy meeting the wizard of oz – but i couldnt see what the pont of the obession was – all that energy ? i was having pluto con venus at the time but at the end of it all it all seemed so pointless – i dont get why i had it ? to find out i was obsessional ? i… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

Oh, I’ve definitely been there. Pluto is squaring my Venus right now and I fell in “infatuation” with someone totally inappropriate as well. I also didn’t think there was anything great about that person after getting to know them, but for some reason, something really buried deep down kept telling me that I should like/be with this person.

I wish I had some valuable insight into this, but I’m trying to figure it out myself as well. Just wanted to say that I’ve been there too and that you’re definitely not alone.

lovesick goddess
lovesick goddess

thank u – good luck with the square on your venus only thing i can say is its forced growth – which meands goodbye to any crap in your life ! i guess – like i didnt really like the person and i am pretty sure they would have found me to be a judgemental prat but something inside just kept pushing thro. other times obsession/infatuation did make sense, this time not.

Pisces with Sagg Rising
Pisces with Sagg Rising

I’ve just read this thread and I’ve had a bit of a think, especially about the Love-Zombie thing which is exclusive to women and I have this to say: I had a friend once who told me that she had been involved with a man who was abusive. She got out of the relationship reasonably quickly (less than a year). She also made the observation that when she at uni studying psychology and did the unit on abusive relationships, she wondered why the women involved didn’t just leave. Then she was involved in an abusive relationship and she found that… Read more »

morphing now
morphing now

I don;t know if the original post was all about abusive relationships somehow……..I read that it’s about women wanting reassurance from someone who might just be able to give them the (wrong) answer they hope to hear, because their nearest and dearest won’t agree with their choice in who they have ‘succumbed’ to. Succumbing doesn’t always mean physical abuse.

Maybe it’s just circumstances (such as marriage, or postions of power at work) that can create the emails from these women. They know it’s wrong, they just hope someone will support their effort in self-justifiction.

missfine
missfine

interestingly enough, my best friend just came out of an abusive relationship, and I was absolutely shocked that she didn’t tell me what was going on until after the break up. i’ve always known her to be starkly real, open, honest, and bad ass, and she didn’t come from a screwed up family. what happened? her explanation was that it was “it’s like the frog that doesn’t realize the water is getting hotter till its already boiling”. he started off a certain way, they co-deluded, and then one day he was punching her and she totally bought that she “made… Read more »

scorpiorising
scorpiorising

It is a lot like the frog being slowly boiled and you can start to question your own sanity. It sucks.

ArienScorp
ArienScorp

My third marriage turned out abusive, When I realized this, I immediately went to a shrink and asked, What the hell was my probelem that got me into this? I was told I had done nothing wrong, I had been caught by a crafty psychopath. He was very dangerous (many guns and many threats) and it took me some time to escspe, but I did it. When I suggest to women who have gotten into these things to move (the fuq) ON, it’s not because I lack understanding; I was there, after all. It is a choice to immediately choose… Read more »

Pisces with Sagg Rising
Pisces with Sagg Rising

Am abusive relationship is the most extreme example but a lot of people just get caught in less than ideal relationships and know that they should know better but stay stuck in the hope it will come good as they’ve invested a lot in it. I think that is what I’m trying to say.

But if everyone around you is kind of rolling their eyes and wondering why you can’t see it for what it is, that’s where the shame/embarrassment comes in and the hope against hope that you can change him/her.

Quadrupled
Quadrupled

LOL! What a great post. Glad to have read the posts before writing – don’t have anything novel to add. Been there done that, Mystic grabbed me the first time she said “it is not about him, it is about you” Boy was she right ever. When detachment lingers behind, you need a mantra to stay focused. Find whatever has been going haywire in your life and the idea of an unrequited/perfect/karma goes away. It is hard but sometimes you have to burn first. Thank the person later on for unintentionally helping your evolution. I got slapped by so many… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

a cutting ties ritual?

visualise the person, start drawing a blue line in a figure of eight that crosses over their right hand shoulder towards you, and encompasses you both, each in your own circle of the 8, do for as long as necessary to get strong lines, hours, days, weeks, and then when ready, snip at the conjunction point so that you separate, each in your own blue circle ….

(a rough retelling)

Quadrupled
Quadrupled

Yes, something like this. I had been visualizing the person in a boat, sending the boat away on a river with candles all over, and the next thing you know, he is back in my life, whining about his job, etc.

Perhaps cutting ties should be repeated several times over – he used up almost all my quota of sincere “go away” intention.

Oh yes, karma as Mystic post above says:: My Uranus conj his SN, my SN conj his Moon.. Once the ‘karmic relation’ veil drops, it turns to be “what was I thinking?” kind of experience..

Joan
Joan

yes l think people, some people just need to be love zombies sometimes….the love zombies want and need to do it in order to learn …it’s part of their own make-up.. jeeez this is too complex for a blog anyhow l also understand MM because she just wants YOU love zombies to wake up from zombiehood and have a great happy LIFE! simple! love yourself blahblahblah… It takses freaking time to refine your energies it took time to refine mine… it can takes years indeed to wake up evolve etc…. pheeew! l have been sort of a love zomnbie when… Read more »

Joan
Joan

something else l’ve learned about fate/destiny is that all your uncounsious drives will come to you in disguise of fate 🙂

WryGrin
WryGrin

Hi Davidl

Not really ego, just delusion.

My brief embarrassing time as a fool came when I just needed something happy to believe in when my family was imploding. ( Parents and sister). So I ignored my intuition to cling to a fairy tale. Just a lost young person. But I learned a powerful lesson to obey intuition. 🙂 which I now do. And embrace reality no matter how tuff.

quintile
quintile

this is a great diversion from my PhD thesis – doing pomodoro technique and coming back to the blog after 25 mins of writing – and much healthier than worrying about AWOL crush or the exes lining up to talk, take me out etc.

Chrysalis
Chrysalis

Same! But the diversion is winning today. I got the pomodoro book a while back, but forgot about it – must try it again. Does reading about time management count as procrastination??

quintile
quintile

no i reckon reading about time management might count as ‘peripherally supportive’! for pomodoro I simply put the phone timer on for 25 minutes, ignore all browsers, email clients etc and just go for it. Take a 5 min break after every 25 minutes, but try and build to 2 x 25 and then take a break. I have found it really useful.

Aquaria
Aquaria

I’ll have to try this on one of those days where I just can’t stop procrastinating.

On the other hand, I am not trying hard enough….

Chrysalis
Chrysalis

I will try it, thanks Q. I was doing the ‘two golden hours’ thing but that has stopped working!!

quintile
quintile

yeah building up in the 25 minute chunks has helped me – other tricks are to just start with a small chunk, e.g. revising the last bit of work, or commit to doing just 30 minutes. I always love that Goethe quote (he was a virgo) – don’t wait for the mood to act, create the mood by acting.

Chrysalis
Chrysalis

Ah yes. Goethe would have lost patience with all my Piscean excuses. It would have been: ‘for fuq’s sake, just BEGIN’ lol

Word counts worked well for me in the ‘big writing’ stage. Now I’m at the small intense labour /revision stage. I focus on consistency, not motivation now, ie just show up and do the thing and eventually I will get there… I hope.. 🙂

quintile
quintile

doctor chrysalis, i presume?

Chrysalis
Chrysalis

Actually I’m going with Doctor Former Love Zombie 🙂

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

Man oh man. I’ve been the love zombie many times myself. That’s just how i roll. But honestly, I generally don’t ever talk about it or bother Mystic or anyone else for that matter because i know I can’t stomach the truth, so I DON’T ASK! But why would you want someone to lie to you in the first place? Just because you pay them money? The people we ask for advice do NOT owe us anything. NOTHING, not even sympathy. We ask a stupid question; we get a stupid answer. The universe is cruel and unfair. Get over it.… Read more »