Could You Have A Neptunian Loving Problem?

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Please answer, as honestly as possible, Agree or Disagree to the following questions.

* You sometimes prefer Fantasy Crush Scenarios to actual real relationships.

* You are Pisces Rising, Sun or Moon.

* You always feel more fond of your lovers once you have broken up with them.

* You enjoy reading legends such as that of King Arthur, his Queen Guenivere and the Knight Lancelot and could easily imagine such a scenario occurring in your own life.

* You have Venus in Pisces.

* You make no apologies for preferring the ‘in love’ stage of a relationship to the ‘working at it’ era.

* If a partner is neglectful or cruel, he/she cannot blame the other person for taking refuge in fantasy or a bizarre love triangle.

* You believe in the karmic concept of soulmates, Twin Flames and so on.

* You have Venus conjunct, trine, square or sextile Neptune.

* You fall in and out of love very quickly and with seemingly little control – almost as if a magic spell has been cast upon you and/or the love spell has been suddenly broken.

* You have Venus, Sun or Moon in the 12th House.

* You would rather be an archetype from a fairy tale or a poem than a stereotype in a cliched news media write up about ‘relationships.’

* You don’t usually online date because you prefer to let ‘fate’ play out in this regard.

* You tend to attribute karmic significance, an element of destiny having bought you together and spiritual depths to people you find sexually attractive.

* Love is stronger than death but you’re also out the door when it gets to the farting in front of you stage. Less is more.

* You have trained yourself out of drunk dialling but you sometimes still drunk text lines of appropriate poetry or music.

* You prefer Yearning to boring relationship discussions.

If you answer yes to four or more of these, you definitely have a Neptune Loving Problem and should seek  help via the 14th Dimension, just beyond your base chakra during the next Void Moon.

Bruce Weber

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Sweetest Surrender
Sweetest Surrender

The frustrating thing about having these qualities is that noone ever measures up to the ideal love you know to exist. Except another highly Neptune, Pisces lover. These relationships never last forever unfortunately because of the highly mutable nature of Neptune. It will be the dreamiest romance to ever exist, filled with tender moments, stolen kisses, and complete merging. But when it gets ugly it can be filled with just as much manipulation, cheating, and escapism! Sigh what to do? I love you fellow Neptuanians, but as a Neptunian myself, you guys are a pain to be around when things… Read more »

Blue Moon
Blue Moon

Only answered no to one.
My Venus is not in The sign of two fishes which I cannot spell.
It is in the 8th house tho.

Hello I ONLY ANSWERED NO TO ONE

HOUSTON…..

kiers10
kiers10

Very interesting: the divine Leonard Cohen (birthday today) has: Venus conjunct Neptune in the 12th house (in Virgo), Sun in the 12th house, Moon in the 6th house in Pisces (which also make his Moon almost exactly opposite his Venus and Neptune). Famous Blue Raincoat, I’m Your Man, Everybody Knows….

Indigofish
Indigofish

Oh flippin heck…yes to all but the venus bit. Mine is in aries. I dont think that helps!

ethereal cap
ethereal cap

venus in 11th in aqua squares neptune in 9th and neptune opp moon in 3rd, pisces asc. not sure how all this works out quite, except it’s some kind of strange triangle. i hate triangles as manipulations and spot them a mile off every time…lose respect and that’s it, rel over. don’t do it myself and think its manipulative. don’t like romance entertainments makes me sickly. i tend to fall for unusual genius, was chronicly lovesick *unrealistically* from dec into mar* recently with beautiful and brainy collider witch, against all my own reality cognitions. later realised he was up for… Read more »

sweetpea
sweetpea

Yipes, this is harsh but I couldn’t help but laugh at some of it. There are lots of aspects and info on other stuff too.

Says that because Venus opp Neptune is suspicious of others we project it outward and then we get circumstances that verify that belief.

Hmmm, I was not suspicious of the world when I got here, but more that I should have been.

sweetpea
sweetpea

I didn’t want to leave this sounding like I’m a victim. The flip side to me being a bit miffed at times still that my innocense was a bit trampled on, at the end of the day the way that I like to understand and makes sense of it all is that the Soul had decided what to work out ahead of time, the stuff that is in the subconscious in order that it can be cleared and a person become more enlightened. For some this plays out in real life even tho they don’t know this is what is… Read more »

minne
minne

Neptune and venus in the same house but no aspects but in scorpio. c’est domage. What if you have mostly water and air – neptunian mist? haha

plutonic gem
plutonic gem

Ive been meaning to jump on here and put my hand up for neptune romancer…. totaly fantasy fantasiser!!!!

Wanna keep it real, but Ive almost forgotten how….

Oh well….. what to do….

sweepea
sweepea

Thought it was interesting that Venus-Neptune oposittion Iva (yes him again 🙂 ) song……”I don’t believe anymore” haha

Since I have that same opposition I realized when I listen to his words that he’s sorta the male version me.

There is a remix on youtube of that song and it’s cool..

Claudia
Claudia

Yes. I definitely have a problem. Venus in Pisces (in 12th house) square Neptune. I have always had a fantasy love life since I was about 3 and feel a certain degree of fulfilment in it, even at 41. My current romantic crush is Rowland S. Howard from the Birthday Party – who was a talented poet, songwriter, junkie. now dead from hep c related liver cancer. What is that? What am I thinking? It scares men off more than if there was a real contender. It is bizarre. I freely admitted it, but at the same time, I can’t… Read more »

Ariel
Ariel

Hmm, 10. I am a Gemini with Venus trine Neptune the closest aspect in my chart. However these being in earthy signs, I am able to cope with the farting & the ‘boring relationship discussions’. I am intensely dreamy & spent my teen years staring at Pre-Raphaelite art & reading Romantic poetry to feed these cravings. I also have Moon (in Aries) square Neptune so very susceptible to illusions aka delusions & problems with feeling/ understanding/ dealing with emotions. When I first read about moon signs as a teen in a national newspaper supplement it gave my moon as Pisces… Read more »

oneirix
oneirix

Venus in Pisces…yep, yes to 8. Guess I’ll be looking up where the 14th Dimension is now…

Weird though, I’ve only ever had one “karmic” relationship (if you could even call it a relationship) and that only happened very recently. During Venus Retro, lol. Jury’s still out on that one. I’ve got pretty strong Uranian/Ariean energy in general so all this woo-woo stuff drives me up the wall, especially when it’s true!

lalune93
lalune93

HOW DOES IT GET FIXED I’M WONDERING? It’s so far as that it is the only way I have been into people and once it gets turned around I’m like, see ya normie. Cap moon presents the wall, and venus in pisces creates the illusion. Almost as if I’m more comfortable with it being one-sided, even though it makes me feel sad.

Ms.
Ms.

Saturn is the gateway. google it

lalune93
lalune93

Saturn at 18 degrees in the third house/aqua… so?…

Ms.
Ms.

I must be blessed with some kind of astro to combat a good wack of this despite having an exact conjunction for venus/neptune in sagittarius 6th house. I make a big point of actualising my fantasies, on as regular basis as possible. I need to manifest and process them. My imagination would run me unhealthy otherwise. But yes, love/sex/connection is an alchemy of sorts. Not a dreamy one soul outlook for me but I love the coming together and making hardcore sex love nest. I think I outgrew a lot of the more negative aspects of this but I am… Read more »

Pi
Pi

that’s cool Ms.

fallen angel
fallen angel

Totes down with the fantasy-actualizing Ms. – I’m the same way. It’s only been recently with La Leo that I let so much time pass before taking a bite off the fruit so to speak, because I cannot stand having my thought-heart-loin space a-wandering deprived of words-love-sex. That being said, I’m not a slow-builder with attraction, it either instantly zings or not. I used to question myself over this, but it’s how I’m built – when a man wants to be friends first for a lengthy period of time, he has literally disabled my interest and it will be more… Read more »

Ms.
Ms.

I think I spend more time fantasizing about work honestly and what I want to put my energy into than just lovers, that’s the tricky part, it’s not a lust exclusive drive. Esp in the 6th. Much tougher to manifest the magic fantasy land into the day and grind than to bed a lover and create a nest

Cygnette
Cygnette

I am venus in pisces, pisces rising, venus in the 12th and neptune trine venus conjunct ascendant so I think this blog was destined for me :-). What’s worse is I have venus opposition pluto (exact) conjunct descendant. I have been in and out of profound (and impossible) love scenarios all my life, some of which have utterly transformed me. Yes, I prefer yearning to real relationship scenarios although I have only just come to realise this and channel the outpouring of soul need into my arty and spiritual side. I’ve been married for nearly 18 years and my partner… Read more »

Ms.
Ms.

yes. enduring love is not passionate in that sense but beautiful in a different way

Best Neptunian in a Supporting Role
Best Neptunian in a Supporting Role

So beautifully said Cygnette. I feel the same way about my man. He grounds me. Being a Sagg, he has taught me that real life, attacked with an adventurous spirit, can rival my fantasy world.

Cygnette
Cygnette

Well put :-). Instead of living out a fantasy in your head, you get to create a wonderful adventure… and with all that imagination in tow it’s usually a grand one! …

Bull with sting in tail
Bull with sting in tail

Questions

Brilliance , sadness and
Dust
What I must have, when I
Must
What I would, and would never
Be
What I lack, with
Clarity
What I have when I am
Lost
Sky, night and rain for when I
Lust
Thoughtless action when I am
Hurt
Long forgotten when I am
Dirt
The momentary fragility of pane and
Frost
By new light’s cure, and some
Cost

APS

purpleta
purpleta

Well, this can also be a Saturn issue. Venus in Sagg, 12th house, semi sextile Sun and Saturn.
I love my loneliness but I long for connection.

age of aquarius
age of aquarius

“I love my loneliness but I long for connection.”

Ah! Exactly that. I think my whole post could have been summed up by your to-the-point sentence.

Anyway, I can relate to what you’re saying, for sure!

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

12th house Venus Square Neptune, 12th house Sun and, yes, I sometimes prefer fantasy crush scenarios to real relationships – only because the “real” person isn’t channeling all that they are behind the scenes into the manifest world. Its really awkward to feel someone in the Neptunian way and then meet them and watch them act like a dunce, you know? No synch between mainfest/unmanifest. I’ve grown to truly value that I can love someone without it being “real.” Its been hard to get a grip on, but I am def learning to love my Neptunian Loving Problem. For example,… Read more »

picolo
picolo

As a venus 12th houser I do despise online for myself. Not for anyone of course. But I want fate to work for me without the computer.

virgotigress
virgotigress

Great post 12 (house Virgo – from another 12th house Virgo Sun and 12th house Venus (tho in Leo).

Diana San
Diana San

Thank you very much for your post!! I needed to read/hear from someone else with my “problem”…. In my Solar Return for this year, I have Venus in my 12th house and I’m in love with someone who is married and doesn’t even know about this. Unconditional love is my lesson for this year.

age of aquarius
age of aquarius

I have Pisces Moon……….AND also Neptune in the 5th! I think Neptune in the 5th adds an element of fantasy and sort of yearning for what can never be and basically being unrealistic and overly romantic about romantic endeavors. I’ve always had really impractical relationships as well as years-long yearning crushes on unobtainable people. I don’t know if I’ll ever be cured from this…….well, I don’t like it, whereas I used to just live it and play into it, but it’s sort of messed me up for a more ‘real’ everyday relationship so instead I’m 44 years old, never been… Read more »

catfish moon
catfish moon

OMG! I answered yes to 13 of these!!!!!

Venus and moon in the 12th house……

My Taurus love is mars in Pisces and he feels at ease with me to let his sensitivies hangout.

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Wow, you are lucky with a Taurus person. Mine is SO close to the chest. He is Taurus with Leo rising (I think).. don’t have his exact time. He runs when he gets close. I love his sensitive side, when I saw it, but once he notices it … swish.. he’s gone for a bit. In this case it has ben 7 months. Sad face.. since I really think he can do it. I know he wants to but he just gets SO scared. Love him no matter what anyone says!

catfish moon
catfish moon

oh…..
Leo energy can be like that(if that is his rising).
Good luck!
I’m a crabby sun and really need them to be able to show their soft sensitive side to me, and be nurturing as well. Yet still be a man…

Chrysalis
Chrysalis

Yep – I agree, CM. Hottest guy I ever knew had Mars in Pisces. Love to him was like an art or a religion. I have Pisces sun stellium so we spoke the same language.

Holly
Holly

Sadly, moon in the 12th house- this is all too true- despite all the beauty and sorry in it, it can also be a very lonely place..

Messy Leo
Messy Leo

Is that all it takes? 4? I probably answered yes to 90% of those questions. I become obsessed with people -men- and become secretly possessive of them. I have Neptune tightly conjunct my Sag asc, and I become infatuated so easily it’s ridiculous. I never make a move, it usually never goes anywhere, but I still compulsively feel like part of them belongs to me (Venus square Pluto, and Moon in Toro?). And I like the farting in front of you stage, because then I get to fart in front of them too – we can fart together, how romantic!

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Thanks for the laugh Messy Leo.. a toot here, a toot there.. here a toot.. LOL!! Romantic musical on farting with the one you love!! 🙂

Bright
Bright

Oh sh–

I’m screwed.

/living in Fantasyville with her Libran Broadway Star Crush

sweetpea
sweetpea

Wow, the person I was going on about in my above posts got her car repossesed today.

They came to our work and took it…Asked her if she needed a ride home and gave her some of my tip money just because..

(Venus and Nep in action 😉 )

hiddendragonqueen
hiddendragonqueen

yes to 12 of these (all except the pisces) and also neptune on the DC. if love isn’t fully neptunian i’m 10 miles away, and i completely love and accept this. i’m “saved” by two aspects, the first being my 12th moon/venus is in taurus (and in no aspect to n), so the lovely fantasy does ground and become real. secondly, and more important is neptune trine saturn. if it’s a fantasy and nothing else, i don’t even begin. if it’s fate i jump in (n opp jup), let the dreaminess begin, and fall HARD. which is where the karmic… Read more »

hiddendragonqueen
hiddendragonqueen

oh actually no on the ex stuff… moon/venus opp uranus in scorp. never never look back romantically…ever.

creatrix
creatrix

Nope! I have Neptune in the 7th, but none of this really works for me anyway. I love to love and be loved!

Sunrise
Sunrise

You can also be really hurt by an uber-Neptunian when they keep longing for their ex (disaster) or whatever, but once you understand them, you can handle it better. Like it must be hell not to live in the now and not to ever have ‘arrived’.

I have a bit of venus-neptune so can understand (sextile – brag), but to be soaked in it plus 12 house is your own undoing.

But you are loved nevertheless.

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Ugh.. and double ugh!! My problem is once I find a guy that I have chemistry with.. I am stuck. My heart is totally taken. I am stuck right now because I have no desire to meet anyone else because my heart is taken by someone who I had been with for almost 2 years. Casual but he drew me into his life and once close kicks me to the curb. Last one was in November. I txt’d him a couple of times, some with good responses but the last couple no responses. I haven’t seen in 7 months. Just… Read more »

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

I’m with you, fellow Virgo. There is no “entertaining options” with me. I’m either into it totally or not at all. And I can’t play-act some inbetween. But I can learn to let go gracefully (albeit, painfully, begrudingly, bitterly at times) Ha!

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

Yes, letting go.. I agree with your entire statement. Just tell me it’s over and I will let go.

Best Neptunian in a Supporting Role
Best Neptunian in a Supporting Role

My recent efforts to work Haute Neptune must be working because I laughed at most of this list…though being an archetype does sound nice. Hi, I’m Lilith, I’m just going to lay down some feminist knowledge on you and then drift back to Archetypeland until my next installment. Hang on, I seem to have conflated archetype with super hero. Anyway! So I have Sun-Venus-Mercury conjunct in Pisces on my midheaven, all squaring Neptune, which is conjunct my Moon. I totally agree with many of the comments here about karmic relationships. They come with lessons and are mostly hard, if not… Read more »

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

” if not fuqing diabolical…” LOL!

“drive through goddess ceremonies”…mmmm…I feel the need to brainstrom set-design for that one 🙂

Anonymous
Anonymous

Hopefully you get a mug of that diamanda tea Mystic imbibed on your way through 😉

Best Neptunian in a Supporting Role
Best Neptunian in a Supporting Role

Oops that would be me, Best Neptunian. Not anonymous!

Pi
Pi

i love your name, Neptunian!!

Best Neptunian in a Supporting Role
Best Neptunian in a Supporting Role

Thanks! I had the most hilarious dream a few weeks ago that inspired it. I was at the Oscars (crazy) and every time an award was announced, inside the envelope was a fan letter to me, pfft!

Ms.
Ms.

hilarious. That is some killer neptune you have there.

mrcreosote
mrcreosote

* I prefer the term ‘serial infatuation’

* Does Pisces chart count? I.e. most planets in mutable/water signs

* if by ‘feel more fond’ you mean ‘think about obsessively’

* prefer Victorian rather than medieval, but close enough

* No, Scorpio

* ‘In love with being in love’

* been there, done that

* Yes

* Venus conjunct Neptune.

* See answer 1.

* Nope

* Yep

* The worst thing about omens is they are so damned ambiguous

* Que Sera, Sera

* unless its me doing the farting

* lots of unsent emails sitting in my ‘drafts’ folder

* correctomundo

Is that more than 4, I’ve lost count…..

mrcreosote
mrcreosote

Now that I think about it, my answer to ‘* You fall in and out of love very quickly and with seemingly little control ‘ is

‘falling *in* love is easy. Falling *out*…….no so much. Bloody hard actually.’

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

Probably because you’re a Scorpio. When you fall out of love with a Scorpio they think it’s a trick; they just don’t believe it’s possible. A Scorpion showed me some photos of myself in an album. I started flicking through the pages (his frozen face!) and saw different women, not the flash-glam dramas i knew about but clearly different relationships. Was full of questions but didn’t ask (he would have said already, yes?) This was the first time i could really respect what it means to a Scorpion to hang on… a different way of getting to a state of… Read more »

mrcreosote
mrcreosote

I’m not Scorpio. I have Venus in Scorpio, which, on the whole, has been a right royal PITA for this Virgo/Cap.

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

Ah! I misunderstood bullet point 5. What a wasteful reply, sorry!

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

I am so relieved but also kind of pissed off when it happens that I do fall out of love. The last “love” was so brutal emotionally, you’d think I’d sing in the streets about getting over it. But there is still something unfortunate about the fact that something so powerful could lose its power over me. Not the person, per se, don’t like the idea of a person having power over me, but I once thought I couldn’t live without the connection to him and now thank God that its gone.

Pi
Pi

and look, you;re totally alive too 🙂 x

Anonymous
Anonymous

Hahaha, oh my! Yes to (so) many of these. Especially the archetype thing. Love must never be mundane!

Anonymous
Anonymous

…though nothing in my chart re: Venus or Neptune seems to apply, in either my natal or progressed, so I guess I’m just weird.

Pegasus
Pegasus

Venus in 12th house. It’s been so long i can’t remember, but it’s a hellava
dicky placement for true love quite problematic. Could explain why living
with someone doesn’t appeal to me with it’s nitty grittiness, like bed head
morning breath and en suite bathrooms. Need to keep the fantasy alive.
Could explain the many previous long distance relationships as not so up close & personal.
Twin flames & soul mates? Doesn’t hold water, anyone in your life can be deemed one of those, for a time…..karmic though is a yes.

Anony_Aus
Anony_Aus

Pisces rising. Venus in Kataka.
Looks like I’ve got Syndrome ?

Iris Aquacat
Iris Aquacat

Oh dear. Tick to nearly every bullet point. And yes, have no qualms triangulating under duress. I think it’s an antidote to becoming a needy frump when I’m being taken for granted. Suspect that my Venus Pisces Pluto Virgo opposition might amp up the Neptunian love problems/ solutions though.

Zaiborg
Zaiborg

Yes, the above is totes me. And the trouble is lately hard-faced-bitch finds herself drifting away and giving into fantasies of ‘falling in love again’ …
God. What a dumb-ass! Some one slap me now – after all, Saturn is coming for me…

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Zaiborg – are you a Scorpio? I get the sense a lot of Scorps are going to get Saturned by love. Perhaps its just the feeling of tail-end Saturn-in-Libra angst.

Zaiborg
Zaiborg

Yep, Scorp with Aries rising….and I can already feel my resolve weakening re: L O V E.
Oh Lordy….just kill me now – quick and painless.
Please.
xo

Charley
Charley

Hahaha, tell me about it. Am Scorpio/Aries Rising, this Martian warrior doesn’t need stupid love…oh wait. I’ve been resisting for 8 YEARS but I feel it coming. Powerless.

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

Saturn’s gonna get Scorp loved– that’s what’s going to happen! “Saturn, you’re a mean ol’ daddy, but I like you. I like you, I like you…”

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Right? I think its funny. I am so loving a Scorp right now. And he’s got so much karma to confront in his own life. I’ve never really bonded with a Scorp before but I feel like I really get him. And I do feel like Scorps …for them to take on all the Saturn-ness (I mean, its not like a Scorp can’t take pain/endurance/etc)…for them to take on the self-ness of Saturn, there’s got to be love on the line. Saturn in Virgo SUCKed for me, but I suppose there was other astro going on besides just Saturn. I… Read more »

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Ha! I’m so loving a Scorp (who I haven’t seen in a billion years or communicated with in months) – that I can apply that love to all Scorps at the moment. How Neptunian in that?!? Must have a sense of humor about these things. 🙂

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

All of us crazy diamonds are going to shing on– just you wait, 12thHV. 😉

Scorpalicious
Scorpalicious

Shine onnnnnn you craaaazy diamond!!!! \m/

… in the mood for some Floyd now 🙂

Zaiborg
Zaiborg

Yes, it’s the whole turning into the mushy-gushy thing I’m worried about! I only do the Epic love affair – the star-crossed lovers/Romeo and Juliet sh*t. – Beautiful, poetic and….tragic. The last one (Crab-man) I fell for almost three years ago turned me into this sweet hyper feminine Thing, Complete surrender and willingly gave away all my power. How HORRIFYING! *semi-barfs a little* Truth is I’m scared sh*tless to ever give into those kind of emotions again – yet, a little (stoopid) part of me would kill to feel that kind of a soul-connection again…. Cue Saturn – the Head… Read more »

Pi
Pi

i feel the same zaiborg. i indulge some lovey fantasy then saturn girl comes past and shoves her clipboard in my face saying “you Still haven’t done THIS and THIS and omg STILL THIS too get a move on pisces”

FireyG
FireyG

Ah there lies my old addictions.

Great to read over it though – sort of like an ex-smoker being asked to pass a lit cigarette to the person next to them …

No doubt that they would flare up if I gave them a chance. A chance that would open up as soon as I neglected my creative energy … make art not fake hearts .. or something.

Neptune in the first house, trining venus, and mars, and mercury, and moon in the twelfth.

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

Ah, FireyG, you said exactly what has been speaking loudly to me through much synchronicity… 5th house stuff is ultra important, trining my 12th house stuff as it does. Particularly as i have Aries intercepted in 5th, containing Mercury and Chiron.

Without proper creative action, production, exploration i know well that i could easily fall into Neptunian love addiction. Real love is better by far.

Were you FireyBovine? It’s just you almost sound like an old friend.

FireyG
FireyG

Hey Mille lovely, yes! Tis me, I morphed, so lovely that you recognised ‘an old friend’ … x

Ahh what you mentioned, I relate very much … for me its the 6th house, including my sun and chiron intercepted in taurus, and they oppose moon and uranus … so Huge Slow journey trying to ‘free’ my sun/wound/healer and to create positively rather than via delusional love/cluckyness

must dash, pack and go get the breather I so need with my lunar mother, xx

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

I’m so relieved!!! i was going to add, “like an old friend but shinier and more solid.”

Then i thought oh what if it isn’t her, and ol’ FireyB is reading and feels gutted?

Oh god you have shone a light on yourself, darling heart. That dream of the medieval hide and the horsey astro to go with… Epona is a Celtic Moon Goddess (Druidic Celtish Gauls…part of my ancestry…Mystic’s q to you made me stock still). In awe of your work xx

Charles
Charles

I just started a Neptune trine Neptune aspect, and this is going to be around for a long, long time, since Neptune moves so slowly. Trines are supposed to be harmonious aspects, right? They better be. I’m also having a Uranus trine Uranus. I didn’t see either of these coming.

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

Enjoy those trines, Charles. I have Neptune square Neptune and Uranus opposition Uranus for… a long time. I don’t know how long exactly. The Neptune time is so long i read the year it changes and forgot it instantly.

Natally all my 12th house dreamboat stuff in Sagittarius (Moon Jupiter Neptune) trines 5th house stuff (Sun Pisces, Merc Chiron Aries). If you already have plenty of structure and dsicipline, which i think you do, then it’s possible your trines won’t dissolve into lazy life-active fantasy, but provide insight, imagination and innovation in your work.

Charles
Charles

I dunno about structure and discipline, that’s probably not one of my better qualities. I can do the structure and discipline thing, but it seems to be all misdirected. But then, I just had Saturn transit my natal Jupiter. I have a Yod with Saturn and Jupiter pointing at my Sun/Moon conjunction, so I’ve always had “challenges” with the Jupiter/Saturn thing. Anyway, I’m never sure what to do with Neptune. Natally I have Neptune Rx at my IC and Mercury exactly opposite at my MC in Taurus. That is a really weird axis (especially since it’s right over my nodes).… Read more »

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

I have no proper understanding of the Jupiter Saturn thing, as Jupiter only trines stuff in my own chart and seems pretty happy where it is. And i’m trying to get a grip on yods and kites because i have some odd shapes in my chart i’m trying to nut out. Sorry not to offer anything. However, I am very intrigued by your statements about Neptune: “never sure” and “weird”. I imagine a Taurean could find it weird but what exactly is it that feels weird? What is weird in the world of Charles, if i may ask, on a… Read more »

Charles
Charles

Well, what’s NOT weird about my life? By “never sure,” I mean I’m always trying some method of interpreting those aspects but I am an amateur so what the hell do I know? But that Mercury-Neptune opposition seems to be the major axis of my chart. Mercury in Taurus at my MC, on my S Node. Then Neptune Rx in exact opposition, in Scorpio, at my N Node. That has to mean something, I’m not sure what. I figure, with Mercury opposition Neptune, I’m supposed to be a dreamy, head-in-the-clouds thinker, or a mystic. But with Merc in Taurus, I’m… Read more »

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

So, a Taurus, you don’t trust the mystical gift you have until it provides a reliable structure or framework that you can be sure of, that you can confidently read meaning from. Neptune or mystical gifts don’t often work this way. For instance, i may read so much about systems and esoteric patterns and search carefully for crosspoints in different religious and occult faiths and dogma. And this is useful, because there’s nothing i hate more than well meaning but hazydazy new age misguided tomfoolery (and i’m surrounded by it, of all places, at WORK, how that grates! It’s not… Read more »

Charles
Charles

LOL that is me, the skeptic mystic. I’m always looking for tangible proof, even if it’s only an intangible pattern.

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

I read my Sue Tompkins “Aspects in Astrology”. There is a lot so i shan’t post all the bits but respond to where your words relate to the text. Major problems revolve around the area of faith… right or wrong. Craves meaning in the personal or religious sense. Faith must have a clearly defined form: dogma, distinct rites and rituals, it should be definable, though the nature of exitence really can never be known. Genuine faith (Liz Greene) is about knowing in an intuitive and nonrational way. Finds doubt difficult to live with.A fear of having abundance as well as… Read more »

Charles
Charles

ROFL you remind me of a scene in Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy. Deep Thought is about to be switched on, to solve the Ultimate Question Of Life, The Universe, And Everything. But the Philosophers” Guild protests. If the Ultimate Question of Life, The Universe, And Everything is answered, they will be out of a job. The philosophers want the computer to leave some unsolved mysteries, to give them something to do. The Philosophers’ Guild representative says, “We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!”

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

And by the way i have Neptune, Pluto and Uranus retro natlly so i researched and astrodienst (i think) says it’s common with the outer planets. Lynn Koiner gave a lecture on it:
http://www.lynnkoiner.com/astrology-articles/retrogrades-in-the-natal-horoscope

Charles
Charles

Yeah, I’ve read that essay several times before, since I have multiple Rx in my chart. Oh this is good:

“Neptune R tends to be more vague, more unclear and the individual may not know exactly what they are looking for in expressing their personal creativity.”

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

I have a Yod too – Venus and Sun in 12th house with Jupiter in 6th Pisces. Its soooo much energy! Can’t quite make sense of it either. Jupiter trines Saturn in Cancer. Neptune and NN in 3rd house Sag. I feel like Jupiter in the 6th does a ton for me. But it feels repressed, somehow, held back, always. Like my Sun and Venus in the 12th – so frustrating – but Jupiter lets me flex my muscles in an unlimited way. People are amazed at the fact I always have a project going on – but I MUST… Read more »

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Charles – could it be that expansive (Jupiter) responsiblity (Saturn) must serve your emotional and extroverted self? Sun/Moon is the facuet on the yod, so I think.

sweetpea
sweetpea

We must be close to the same age Charles as have the same two trines going on…

Cool..I forgot about those.

Trines are easy and come natural and can be taken for granted, SO…zap zone can serve as a catalyst, yeah?

gemleolib
gemleolib

Gah! I have neptune : trining my venus/ squaring my sun and conjuncting my mars.
Just last night met an aqua man whom I wasn’t physically attracted to but mentally and emotionally very much so.
I love neptune and I love pisces but sometimes its so slippery for my gemini analytical mind. But then again Im talking love and that in itself is slippery.
Should I continue to follow up on the aqua or wait it out becuase of this venus retro business…. Oh romance.

Pi
Pi

Evil Gemini-rising Pisces says “just toy with the creature until you decide what you want”

Lucy
Lucy

Um.

cosmic fleece
cosmic fleece

Dear Mystic,
Did you fall in love with that Aries at soccer training ?
Concerned Aries. xx

fallen angel
fallen angel

haha.. that is a very Aries conclusion haha

Aqualeoscorpmn
Aqualeoscorpmn

Venus in pisces, and venus neptune square,

Yes to karmic relationships.
No drunk dialing as i do not drink but have a wierd thing about firat wakup dream dialing my friends. Oddly in the moments first awake i tend to be more open to sharing my dreams, ill have felt so amazing in them i call or text my dreamms to my buddies, then im like what, whyd i share that eariler…

Like today i had an amzing dream i was DJing on some beach and the young, Grace Jones asked a request, And i played it. All was well.

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Mel
Mel

Oh wow. I have this. Neptune square Venus in Pisces and I totally do a bunch of all of the above. Only thing is I thought doing any of the above was totally normal. Ha ha ha! I’m happily married – it was love at first sight and we married within 10 months of meeting and have now been married 5 years -soulmates 😉 I have learnt (from past relationships) that when I’m in a relationship, not to act on my karmic crushes as I’ll invariably fall out of love just as quickly as I fell in love with whoever… Read more »

Charley
Charley

Sounds perfect to me.

Pi
Pi

hey, that’s not a bad idea.

UnicornMoon
UnicornMoon

I have ten of these. Nothing in Pisces but Juno (in first, but Aqua rising). I swear this asteroid dictates my relationships more than anything else. Neptune is also on the cusp of twelfth but I have nothing else there either.

I honestly have no idea how to guage the importanxe of certain signs or aspects since I have a lot of Piscean qualities, but its not strong in my chart at all.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

UnicornMoon – having Neptune on the cusp of the 12th house IS important. Neptune is the natural ruler of the 12th. Planets that appear in the late or early degrees of a house are more “important.” So, I’m not surprised you have loads of Piscean qualities.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Thank you so much for your reply. Its actually something that had been bothering me for a while because I had no idea where to go when it came to interpreting thos part of my chart. Nearly everything in my chart is overwhelmingly aspected except for Neptune, yet I have so many prominent traits that show though more than anything else. Maybe it’s because everything is so strong that I retreat into my Neptunian side so much more?

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Not sure. Charts are complicated. So, as mentioned, Neptune is the ruler of the 12th house. But what is your 12th house? For example, if your 12th house is Scorpio (naturally ruled by Pluto) perhaps your Pluto is heavily aspect? There are all sorts of patterns in a chart. It isn’t easy to guess at them all blindly or even when looking. I miss things all the time. The essential thing is to know and understand yourself, trust in that over astrology…it sounds like you do since you know yourself to be Neptunian even if you don’t or change identify… Read more »

fallen angel
fallen angel

I think the 14th Dimension should be a Holiday Destination with an all inclusive package featuring free-flowing Blue Hoochie Devil Juice & hour long marriages you can dissolve at the next booth. Yes? No?

It could beat Mexico for tourism…

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

I do love the idea of dissolving marriages 🙂

fallen angel
fallen angel

Haha..does it appeal to your the Holy Order of Virgoan Cleanliness?

Actually, temporary marriages do exist i.e. the Sigheh in Iran. Very controversial but oft used apparently.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Cleanliness? No. Its about efficiency! No lost time wondering if the relationship magic is gone. No energy wasted naval-gazing about what could/should/would have been only-if. No fussing/blaming/lawyers/paperwork. Just dissolving. Very Neptunian. Honestly, way to much energy goes into ending things that are already over. It seems more natural to let it go to where it came from – back to everywhere/nowhere. Dissolving is so…ultimate.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Oh…not really about the hour thing. My marriage lasted 11 years – I don’t think I could quit anything in an hour. But when its over, I would prefer it dissolved to being “sorted” or whatever divorce is about.

fallen angel
fallen angel

Meant the same thing you did i.e. cleanliness = clean break. No muss, no fuss, no detritus.

Alas that kind of thing really depends on the parties involved. But fancy that imagery, like one second it’s here, the next gone. Dissolved.

Pi
Pi

oh good lord. no marriage at all, please.

Pi
Pi

but other than that FA, a great idea – basically a place you can officially visit where you can actually be involved with the object of your desire, rather than a flight of fancy / unfulfilled longing bla bla… sort of an alternative dimension (well yes 14th dimension there you go!) …

fallen angel
fallen angel

Hahaha, right? Imagine the brochure on that one. “And what will this holiday’s lover be like, madam?”

“Hmm, let’s see, last time I had Italian and that was lovely, very manly, but I think this round I want something a touch colder, maybe a blue eyed Nord?”

“Very good choice Madam, we have a good one from the early 80’s, you know fresh but not too green, experienced yet frisky enough for your pleasure – also speaks 5 languages.”

“Ooh yes please..” hahaha.. obviously you can tell what I’ve been putting on my holiday wish list

Pi
Pi

gaaaaah my special weakness, scandinavians 😀

hummingbird
hummingbird

Hahaha! Yes I’ve been wanting a holiday! Was wondering where to go….

willowwolf
willowwolf

Venus (1st) Neptune ( 12th) ( with pallas, ceres & a few others) conjunct ascendent all within 2 degrees in Scorpio – so I think I meet the requirements, but I also have Virgo stellium & major saturn aspects so….. *Fantasy crushes mainly in my teens & early crushes – then I got bored. *Fell in love with my sons father briefly, after my son was born ( we had already broken up)- he was a Pisces – again early 20’s *Love King Arthur Myths, have a Lady Guenivere ring ( 24th b’day pressie to myself) * Of course I… Read more »

Charley
Charley

Serious effing problemo. Moon – Mars – Neptune dead conjunct and Venus sextile Neptune. Really all applies to me, apart from having 0 Pisces. Just got myself involved in a super Neptunian situation with a super Neptunian Cap/Sag too, it’s like wild crazy fantasy land fuelled by Uranus and doomed to crash and burn.

On the flip side I’m also hyper Saturnine in the whole Venus area so I crave stability, organisation, super reliable earthy men who have heavy Saturn aspects or who are much older BUT the fantasy is my safety zone.

Pi
Pi

oh wow, moon mars neptune is a recipe for crazy drama, i’d think? unless of course you have managed to work through the lower level stuff and can now go ‘haute’ higher-level on it all..?

Charley
Charley

I think I have too much Saturn kicking about for it to do much more than just make me a massive escapist, it’s all in Sag and all in the 9th house too for extra oomf. I’m hyper instinctive and extremely aware of atmospheres and feelings but I’ve never really descended into any addictive behaviour or low Neptunian stuff. Only in my mind. Usually I channel it into my work as an artist, or at least I hope I do.

MiL
MiL

Yep, Venus Neptune trine, but pleased to have it – Saturn can’t have all the fun .

The Green Witch
The Green Witch

Another venus opposite neptuinian here (with moon in pisces) and rather more than four of those items listed. It never ceases to amaze me how synchronous this site is – Had just been musing on my relationship patterns and the last ex in particular. Not in terms of ‘he done me wrong’ (which he did!But that no longer matters!) It was suddenly really clear to me that each time a relationship failed – and I have ‘been in love’ three times in my life – I felt that I was dying. And a part of me was. But that pain… Read more »

sweetpea
sweetpea

ha, I hear ya on some of that..

Quadrupled
Quadrupled

Another Venus opposite Neptune here. I too have spent the last several days musing on the relationships that hurt me. I discovered my share of the blame was about lack of self-respect (Saturn/Venus in 2nd house) and boundaries (Jupiter/Neptune in 8-9 house cusp).

It does not get them off the hook but I shouldn’t have allowed them get too close. Now, none of them lingers in my circle. From one extreme to the other.

sweetpea
sweetpea

Think the Venus-Nep combo teaches us to be discerning about who is worthy of that love.

I feel everyone is worthy of love, mine included, but unfortuneatly other’s do not see it that way and are mostly wrapped up in what it can do for them with little consideration for you…

This is what makes it difficult for those of us who give others lots of rope (that they eventually hang themselves with hehe).

Quadrupled
Quadrupled

LOL! Some do take their time with that dang rope.

sweetpea
sweetpea

ha, ya know for me and talking to Marlee yesterday, told her that I had thought to sleep on how I felt about what I was observing (and pissin me off 😉 ) as wasn’t quite sure yet if I was going to outright address it…

But, there she was, poppin’ into the office to work on the reno in one of the therapists room and just felt like the opportunity presented itself and that she certainly deserved to know that someone was tying to undermine her.

sweetpea
sweetpea

Myst, did you just accidentally leave off Venus opposite Neptune? Good lord many of those describe me esp when I was younger….Life experiences wake us up for some of that but I would not trade my Venus-Nep combo.

~Love is stronger than death~…good heavens I hope so..I would much rather keep my idealist outlook on life than some mainly cold practical approach.

Always loved this by the Moody Blues

~Cold hearted orb that rules the night
Removes the colors from our sight
Red is grey and yellow white
But we decide which is right
And which is an illusion~

sweetpea
sweetpea

It’s like having a black and white dream instead of in color. I would rather have the colors tho have dreamt in black and white.

sweetpea
sweetpea

LIfe experiences wake us up ~from~ some of that..not “for”… 😯

sweetpea
sweetpea

Neptune in 5th is trine Pisces MC and Sun-Mn midpoint on the MC….I’m a whole lot more Piscean than people think this Aries is..Two loves of my life were Pisces… And just talked to the Pisces doc’s wife yesterday….She is Pisces with Aries Merc like him (they were born the same day…different year), but she is redecorating the office and she talked to me about how I wanted my room. Anyway, had to divulge to her that one of the office staff….Aqua/Gem Moon/Mars in Aries is up to her old controlling shenanigans again. She is dead set against Marlee (doc’s… Read more »

sweetpea
sweetpea

Office receptionist was also in my room yesterday…which is quite a ways from the front office waiting room… In the office we all talk a bit low as there is massage going on at any given minute. My next patient was in the waiting room. Anyway, she “shusshed” me while I was talking ~in my own room~. I acted like nothing but oh hell no..(soz that sounds very Aries/Merc…Gem Mars/rising but I would never “shush” someone..) This is what I mean about her old controlling ways as when the last doc gave her full reign and she was “not fit… Read more »

sweetpea
sweetpea

Years ago, Sagg bestie’s Toro hub “shussed” her..

She said (were had all been drinking and god knows what) but she said “quit fuqin’ shusshen me”..

We laugh about it to this day…

Baristagem
Baristagem

😯

😆 😆

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

Scored a 13 from above. I find some of the things go away or get better now that I’m old. Once you are old you start talking about your bowel movements and regularity. Farts are just annoying now…. I don’t internet date not because i want to let fate have a hand but because i attract fuck-tards when I have no control over the situation. Because Dog knows I can’t rely on fate to find me a man. I’ve seen that shabby matchmaker’s work and I don’t care much for it. I don’t understand the drunk texting/dialing thing at all.… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

“I’ve seen that shabby matchmakers work and i don’t care.much for it” hilarious, thanks for the giggle….

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

Fate can match you up all he wants, but you still have a choice to accept or not. Thank goodness for small things!

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Choice is key. The whole “karma” things in Neptunian relationships isn’t glue meant to keep two together, but learning to make choices based on what you need.

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

I’ve been very regular, which makes me happy beyond belief! A little gassy at times, but that’s what you get with a lot of good fiber. And there really is no substitute in life for good fiber and regularity.

Electric Eel Libran
Electric Eel Libran

I’m totally with you there! LOL! Chia seed fiber is my friend.

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