We Need To Talk About Lilith

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Kate Moss with apple and snake“Lilith embodies the presence of an archaic form of feminine strength that ignores any patriarchal discourse of power and dominance and allies itself with those forces that affirm life itself.”

I’ve always been rather fond of Dark Moon Lilith, but not everyone is. This article here – for example – neatly shafts Lilith as being mega-demonic, connected to feminine rage, evil, stillbirths, abortion, miscarriage, promiscuity, prostitution etc. The astrologer writing does appear to be Christian which, you know, could indicate a bias lol but still…it is worth a read for informative purposes but please – i ain’t endorsing any of it. And contraception, so-called promiscuity and gayness ain’t a sin in my book. 

Check the extensive posts in the Lilith category for more on this fascinating creature (the mythological first wife of Adam, before Eve, she took off, thus creating somewhat of a Madonna-Whore complex in the very first man lol)

How do you experience Lilith in your chart? If you’re a female, she’s got to come out some way or another. Repressing Lilith energy seems to be a bad idea, though it does not stop peeps trying. If you’re hetero male, you might be dating her. If you’re female and gay, you really get to do Lilith.  Lilith connections between charts create super-strong sexual chemistry + they’re really common in love/lust charts between girls.

Just to redux this for ease of analysis: Look at your Moon and see that as nurturing, soft, classic, receptive Yin mothery energy. Then your Venus for the bombshell, sensual and sexual female archetype of beauty and art. Then look to Lilith for potential witch, bitch, whore, adventuress, transgressive or outcast female energy.  Compare and contrast. If one of these is more prominent or well aspected (trines to something make it easy to access and express the energy) that is an archetype you’re cool with.

Yes, Lilith energy can be where you are the scorned woman (or you’re always in love with one) but it’s also where you access the power of not giving a fuq, the artistic and psychic strength of pure independence, undiluted by people-pleasing, simpering and 2nd-guessing yourself.

Let’s not forget that before her appearance (and demonization) in the relatively recent Christian legend, she was a powerful Snake Goddess of Ancient Sumeria, linked with Ishtar, Inanna & Astarte.

F.Y.I. Lilith energy is amplified for the first half of 2012 as the original Bitch Goddess is hanging out with the enchantress CIrce and uber-Jupiter in Taurus. Hence the extra emphasis on her in the Horoscopes, especially for the Fixed Signs; Leo, Taurus, Scorpio & Aquarius.

Thoughts?

Image: Mario Sorrenti

Bottom Image; Ancient Babylon – Lilith

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223 thoughts on “We Need To Talk About Lilith

  1. Then again, if you get scared of self-confident femme fatale psychobitches, then she is obviosly problematic to you. 😉

  2. I just noticed I have a grand cross going on with Lilly (Leo) opp. Eros (in Aqua. conj. Asc) square Venus (Toro) and Psyche (Scorp). I really need to look more into this

  3. I’ve always been a little confused about my Lilith because there is a Mean Lilith and a True Lilith? My True Lilith is in Scorpio, in the 12th house, and retrograde. 20 degrees too! It conjucts my Scorp asc and Pluto in Scorp, trines my Venus in Cancer…

    Then there’s my “Mean” Lilith, which is at 0 degrees in Sagittarius. It’s also in the first house so does that mean it’s rising? I really don’t know if it’s typical to have a Mean Lilith that’s different, and I’m not sure which Lilith to look to! But when I go to astrodienst and use the Lilith option under extended charts, it just gives me the Saggo?

    • The Saggo one for you is the Dark Moon one that Mystic speaks about.

        • It should say on your chart if Lilith is conjunct with the ASC or not. (The conjunct symbol looks like a weird comet with one tail.) If it is, then it’s rising.

  4. A Q … My apologies if it’s already been answered, but I couldn’t decipher in the comments. Can you find your Lilith via the charts on Astro.com? If so, is it specifically labelled Lilith?

    Super-intrigued!

    • Umm … Silly me. Found Lilith right there in the chart. Never knew to pay attention to it before. Reading back through all of the previous Lilith-related posts now. Thanks Mystic!

    • yes AstroGeek, you can sure find out your Lilith via Astro.com. you must go to the ‘extended chart selection’ and add Lilith to the chart. 🙂
      very simple!

  5. Great article. Tiny correction, though: Lilith was demonized in Jewish legend. I doubt most Xtians had ever heard of her before 2000.

  6. lilith in 12th gemini conj mercury, semi-sextile venus/moon in 12th taurus. i am all-goddess extrordinaire… earth mama, lazy sacred whore, and fuq-it-all patriarchy-smashing witch. not *exactly* integrated… to put it mildly… 🙂

    on a related note, holy moly lilith-jupter transit!!! incredible!!!! kundalini outta thin air twice a day every day… THANK YOU!!! 😀

    • cool placements, hidden dragon queen! my lilith is also in H12 in virgo, but it’s conjunct my ASC, square my MC and sextile my mars.

  7. My Moon is conjunct all 3 Liliths in the 8th so I guess the nurturing mother and the inner bitch are one in the same for me. LOL. I dont really see myself as the femme fatale type but I do feel like I make enemies anytime I move up in life or get an ounce of self confidence. Mostly the reason I’ve retreated to my 12th house…..I don’t trust people now.
    Or in true Virgo Moon fashion, I like animals better than people. I’m guessing this aspect may also be the reason I don’t identify with a lot of descriptions of my Cancer Sun (moon is my ruler after all). Then again, 99.9% of most Cancer interps are crap so that point in moot.

  8. “When women negotiate, they are perceived as more pushy, less likable and undesirable work colleagues. This loss of social capital has long-term consequences for women’s economic outcomes: a negative reputation is likely to spillover and impede problem-solving in future negotiations.”

    Being a tough negotiator might win you financial capital, but it loses you social capital.

    “Men appear relatively immune to whether women implement a competitive or an accommodating strategy. However, other women are highly sensitive to the gender-congruence of a female negotiator’s strategy: trust increases when female negotiators’ conform to gender stereotypes by implementing an accommodating strategy, but decreases when violating gender stereotypes by competing.”

    egads! [retreats to cave]. fuq.

    http://theconversation.edu.au/a-lose-lose-proposition-whats-really-happening-when-women-negotiate-6215?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=tweetbutton&utm_campaign=article-bottom

  9. that is an awesome earth magic photo of Kate hanging out so raw and relaxed with beautiful exotic snake – so beautiful, calm and natural

    lilith to me i think has been all about having to define and invent myself from being weighed down for so long with other significant people’s limited and negative estimations of my own worth

    i used to unquestioningly believe myself to be how other’s defined me – a result of heavy emotional pain, not independent thoughts on self worth -now i’m relaxed and have found faith in my own and well, everyone’s ability to be able to define and love themselves, others and life freely as they choose – if people have a beautiful heart and intentions, they can have all the love in the world within and with others, and not try to control or confined other’s attempts to find love or healing – fuq old judgements imposed by others

    when life has no meaning and you are alone and unloved – you’re forced to choose to either love and follow your heart or to live a life clinging to pain, blindly ignoring your own existence and letting your spirit die – this was my experience

    lilith conj venus and mars in aqua 11th, sextile MC, trine IC and squaring Neptune 9th which is opp Moon in 3rd = self liberation and respect that others can liberate themselves too 🙂

  10. Team Lilith ! Eve can go home early and bake me cookies.

    This year, I developed my Lilith. It was ass in the fire, deep solar plexus pain and heart suffering that made me do it.

    It’s been coming all my life but very repressed in certain areas.
    Creative but very immigrant working class guilt stuff blah, blah, blah.

    Always do the best with what ya got is my new motto/mantra.
    (I’m sketching a coat of arms for myself with an art pencil made in Germany as I type with my other hand.)

    Finding it much easier to be around Liliths than “Nice” chicks these days
    who don’t know who the eff they are. (They’re usually the ones gossiping about people at book club while Liliths are at archery class.)

    Nice Chicks At Book Club:” Nooo I didn’t have time to read the book this month but did you know….no really, so and so told me, it’s true, probably.”

    Liliths read a lot of non-fiction. Other Liliths WRITE the books those other chicks read !

    NIce Chicks say things like, “Who. Does. She-think-she-is !”
    and the classic, “she needs to be taken down a notch.”

    Liliths say, “Go fuq yourself.” But with such kindness and compassion it sounds like, “Go find yourself !” ” I won’t be here when you get back from the ashram, say hi to Panjeet for me.”

    Liliths are a little Eve too. Liliths can be whatever they want.

    • “‘Go fuq yourself,’ that sounds like, ‘Go find yourself’…” Love that.

  11. Lilith @ 20 Aqua in my 12th, all by herself. Which is great because I know she needs her elbow room. But it’s lonely at the top sometimes, isn’t it?

  12. I have Lilith in Scorpio house 6. Exactly on my rx Pluto and conjunct my Moon 1 deg away and Squares my MC (also 1 deg away)
    So Lilith is decently prominent in my chart…But my Lilith energy is more private and subtle. So my Lilith energy isn’t so appropriate for being on the job. Really only the people close to me know how deep and “dark” I am. But to the outside world I am like Marry flipping Poppins. (I got Sun sextile Mars and Venus trine Jupiter so I can be so lovely and charming)

    My Lilith energy is usually more subtle….I look, and I am a nice person…but I am also more stubborn and vengeful than I look too. I like the mottos living well is the best revenge, and also one that goes like don’t seek revenge, they are bound to fuq up eventually and if your lucky God will let you watch. (I do more than watch, I usually give them a mocking smile, and that freaks em out haha)
    But in other situations I’m just a b!tch…comes with getting older I think. And I do make a scene once in a while. lol

    To me, Lilith is the chick who wants equality respect, and will not settle for anything less. Does not want to be boxed in, and if she is not content she will go stir crazy and venture out. Does not take no for an answer, and if the people around her don’t see things her way, she will seek people that do.

  13. I love it when Mystic posts about Lilith. I just get chills when I hear Her name… She came to me when I was in my early twenties and at the time I was role playing and came across a book called “Revelations of the Dark Mother”

    It totally compelled me to aspire to Lilith’s cause, though in no way did she expect “followers” – in fact I always like to think of her as a kind of “where in the world is Carmen Sandiego?” character – subtly brushing against the edges of our consciousness, giving us the option to view things from the other side. “Live, Learn, Suffer, Transcend” is her message and one I utter often. Lilith is in Cancer for me and there she offsets my fiery Aries Moon and whimsical Venus in Gemini. Deep, moody and maternal, at heart a caregiver but often overshadowed by my other more loudmouthed female planets, Lilith is that quiet space I need to visit more often.

  14. Moon – Aquarius
    Venus – Cancer
    Lilith and Sun – Virgo.

    Sometimes I feel all Lilith, to be quite honest.

  15. Lilith in the 6th house at 15 degrees Sag. I also have my chart ruler, Uranus, in the 6th house. I CANNOT work for other people anymore, I MUST WORK FOR MYSELF. I’ve turned into a raving witch about this and am tired of others mimicking the “get a real job” parrot-speak. I just never fit in the regular working world, and have finally figured out that’s okay. My work is intense, it is me, and I just can’t abide by anybody else’s rules.

    So there. Thanks for the energy, Lilith. 🙂

  16. Just learning about lilith, thanks for this article.

    I have both Lilith and Venus in Cancer, within a degree of each other. With my natal Libra moon I am thinking, in the context of your comments and insights about female archetypes, embodying extreme independent nurturing? lol

    I am so new to things that I can’t figure out which chart to use over at astrodienst to determine which house Lilith is in. Suggestions, anyone?

    • OK, I just noticed Lilith and Venus are in my 8th house. Duh. Moon in the 10th.

  17. So that is what they are – thought symbols, no idea what they represented though. Thanks!

  18. Yoikes! Thanks for getting me to look up my Lilith placement, Mystic. Now I realize that I have a Grand Cross in fixed signs if I count another asteroid: Sun 19 Leo, Jupiter 22 Scorpio, Chiron 25 Aquarius, Lilith 29 Taurus. Plus Lilith is conjunct my descendant, which explains a lot my relationships…

  19. I was reading this french blog and the interps were amazing, mine is in virgo. It said ppublic sexual humiliation and that was my child hood. And since it said im not a very good lover because of it. And its so true. I like to hurry up in sex. And she said you would act as if sex is blah. And what really brings out the virginy lilth, is attraction to someone at work.

    She also expresses herself as me being to critical skeptical and fault finding.

    I do admit.

  20. Lilith conj Asc in 1st, Scorp/Scorp rising … glad to have her. She’s gifted me profoundly.

  21. I have asteroid Lilith in 3rd house Virgo, but conjunct the IC, then Black Moon Lilith in 4th house Virgo, and Dark Moon Lilith in 11th house Taurus. Growing up, I worshipped my family in spite of boundary issues, nothing abusive, but nevertheless aggravating, like being cheated in favor of younger siblings, especially the boys. Finally came to a head when I got engaged. Yes, the most Lilithian thing I have ever done was get married, as family was not cooperative and we ended up eloping instead of getting married properly in Church. Moved away and didn’t speak to them for a long time.

    Funny thing is, all my life I have had a thing for cats of all kinds and owls. I also wear my hair very long, and have always preferred it this way. I am childless by choice. I love to cook for others (Venus Cancer), but I have been known to eject people from my kitchen when they get in the way or try to tell me how to cook. I like my privacy and freedom. Sometimes, Lilith’s influence doesn’t make you a wild child, it just makes you seriously independent.

  22. My lilith is in Aquarius, the 11th or the 8th house, (I’m either an Aries or a cancer ascendant, depending on cafeastrology or astrotheme).
    Lilith quintile Sun
    Lilith sextile moon & mercury
    Lilith semisquadrate venus
    So this totally makes me a free bitch 😀

    • Oh, and I always wondered what was the difference between Sun quintile Lilith and Venus/pluto or Neptune ascendant. They both give charms and add manipulation in a native’s chart, and since they sound awfully similar, wouldn’t it be nice to regroup them?

  23. sould the most bia appline count in such a disscussion, yes it sould. I know “how could he be so pig headed” no i am not, to shut out or turn away any sort of infomation would be pig headed hear what others have to say, always seek for infomation if you want more of it, but never shut it out, this is simply because your view on what other peoples views are, are always conflicted with what your told about thos people.
    i’m not going denie i may not be the smartest man but i hear every one out, X specaly when it comes to…her, so many thories its really quite amazeing, and as i sat hear and tought a new ideal came to me why the jews may fear her, she in mutiple articals is said to have dissapeared into the deserted after leaveing samhain, and i thought “could the desert be where the garden was? could this be why they fear her so much perhaps they came across her with moses, ideals nothing more, because fact is never truely fact there is no such as fact, its simply something humans came up with to define what they THINK they understand, like the concept of good and evil, take the movie “Let Me In” who is truely viewed as evil, the vampire girl who needs to kill and feed in order to servive, or the bullies who torment this young lad simply out of pure joy of watching him suffer, thus this in turn is a lovely example if lilith did need to feed on us, tho some belive she brings peace, i am a bit skeptical on HOW she brings it theres many different views on “peace” to me its in death and that may be how she gives it to you, sort of pleasent and frighting, no i’m not crazy well lol not cut me self up crazy, i have attempted to reach into gods mind as well as some in hell to try and understand there out look, threw meditation, qeustions many qeustions some find funny others simply cant be answered, LILITH being one of the major ones, she is quite fasinateing, weather shes good or evil, tho my personal belife is this…shes nether, sure she may have tricked eva, but she did not do it to get adam or eva kicked out, it is tought that she did this so that eva could see how arrogant adam was, now i’d like to take a pause and tell you when i tought of this i thought of 3’s company, lol told u i was’t quite right, any ways bk to the topic now i cant speak on behalf of my brother, but some things dont quite add up
    1- if adam truely loved lilith, why did’t he go after her, maybe its just humans, but would’t you chase after someone you cared deeply for even if shes angery.
    2- lilith was allowed to come bk into the garden even after she left, is this because she did’t go agenst gods will, perhaps god gave her a choice others belive it was threw saying his name she manage this.
    3- if she left when they were apart from each other, how long till adam notice she was gone, i’m not sure sending the angels after he is why she would’t return, i think she may have wanted adam to come and get her, i meen how bad dose it look if i send my friends to bring bk my wife hum not to good in her eyes i bet, it was a test and my brother failed, she wanted him to show her…tho what….that still ponders me.

    well now ladies and gentilmen its neerly 3 am and i must be geting to bed, sorry about rambleing i tend to do that, most people tend to just smack me acutly i tell them to.

    btw i’m so intrested in lilith is because i was her mate in this apacoliptic dream/nightmare it was’t always nightmareish is why i call it half, tho i was just a child when i had the vision, no one belives me to this day, but then i had no ideal who she was, i was very quite and shy bk then still a bit now i suppose, but in the dream i became the right hand of a demon king, a blood pact was made, but he dare hurt my love, the deal was broken
    deal- you nor any other demon/zombie/ or any other hellish bean is allowed to hurt any one i care for or i wish to take under my wing of protection.

    my skin and body was twisted, “rubs his ching” ruin me good looks if i say so lol, but in the end he was slain, for you see the blood is pure, angelic and demonic, my actions in the end, well i was a half breed i suppose, after turning to the light or what ever i figered out in the dream, my hair was like blue water, my eyes turned into a bird type feature and my wings…um i did it agine did’t i “gets smacked by every one” well if you’d like to hear more, but one more thing this dream/nightmare lasted for a month, started with this raident woman entering my bedroom and we talked, then the next night of dream i had a woman in my bed no its not a wet dream i did’t know who she was still not quite, but these 2 could have nothing to do with the hellish ones that fallowed, i just tought i mention it.

    in the dream i was older, i know that, and now i am looking as i did in it, and it tends to bother me, so i seek lilith out to better understand, and i am bloody tired of every mail SUMMONING her to take her, must you all be fools, your summoning one who did not want to submit to adams rule what makes you think she change her mind for you? hum?

    Maninblack18544@yahoo.com

    he sould’t have hurt my mate is all i have to say, u hurt her…u hurt me acutly was my only weakness was her, i’v never been one to break agenst pain to my self, just laugh.

    trust me this is’t even the tip of what i tought of

    “bows to every one” its been lovely shareing with all of you, “blows a kiss to lilith” never know where she might show up “wink”

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  28. Fascinated by all the comments re Lilith. Don’t really understand why she’s termed a bitch or a goddess as mythologically she was neither. Ditto the terms Madonna and whore. I understand the words . . . just not what they have to do with a symbolic woman who refused to be cowed by a fucked up male created by a fucked up male deity. These are their words, not ours. Just sayin’.

  29. I just found that Lilith resides between my unaspected Sun in Aqua. and my very well aspected Mercury. Could it be that I both attract and repel men and maybe women with a WTF attitude.

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  31. I’ve got Uber Lilith. She’s in Aries, and she’s part of my Grand Fire trine with Leo Asc and Sag Uranus. It’s pretty easy for me to express my Lilith nature, though perhaps it’s sometimes TOO easy, if you know what I mean….

  32. What can you tell me about Moon conjunct Lilith in Cancer…and lilith transiting it ? 😐
    Should someone fear me?! :)) Btw, my boyfriend’s Sun (in his 12 house) is in opposite with my moon and Lilith…this means something?

  33. She’s not what you think She is. She’s the thing of nightmares. She LOVES fire and fire deaths. You have NO idea…..