Ninja Chiron: How To Handle Chiron Transits

Dan Mantina

How to handle Chiron transits?

Let’s use this Dark Moon time to so some old-school self-processing and astro-analysis of our Chiron.

YES – CHIRON.

Don’t worry if you don’t what any of this means – the point of D.I.Y. Astro is that people who know more help other peeps out in the comments. Ask as stupid a question as you want.

The fact is that with Chiron, we’re all a bit stupid with it.  It was discovered relatively recently – in 1977 – and named after Chiron, the Wise Centaur who trained Warriors.  As opposed to some of the other Centaurs who galloped about on drunken benders, pissing off goddesses and starting wars.

But does the mythology of Chiron fit with the astrological Chiron? Not really i.m.o. But then again, I have never agreed with or resonated with anything i’ve read about Chiron. I know, i know…Super New Age astrologers love him as apparently some sort of a rainbow bridge to higher consciousness.

Some say Chiron is like a more sensitive version of Saturn, to do with wounds and healing. Others say he is the maverick, more like the awesome Magician card of Tarot. Chiron can be seen as a sexy Saturn-Uranus hybrid.  Frankly, i tend to ignore Chiron whenever possible, it’s easy at the mo because Chiron and Neptune are SO close together, right?

BUT if you do some astrological retro-engineering, always the best way to learn astrology, I guarantee you will wow out at Chiron.

WHAT is astrological retro-engineering? It’s when you go back over your entire life and check the astro for your most major events and turning points. Yes, there will be a lot going on at such intense times – Pluto is always a contender lol – but when i did it recently, i decided to finally look at Chiron and voila: Chiron on my angles (Descendent, Midheaven, Ascendent) and most important planets at all of the most vital and evolution-intensive times.

So i think with Chiron, the quickest way to figure out how it works for you is to look back and analyze.

The easiest way to astrologically retro-engineer is to have your chart open on a computer/bit of paper AND then use an ephemeris. You can get them online but most astro-fiends love old-school ephemeris books for various reasons. They end up tattered and covered in coffee stains but so useful. I think its because you have the chart which is a visual map and then an ephemeris listing the planetary positions and that you can read chronologically, like a book. This truly is the method i think is best to learn astrology.

So let’s do Chiron – what is your natal Chiron and how do you find Chiron by transit? The Wounded Healer or the Magician? Personally i think Chiron is more like a crazy Ninja. I really do. Chiron by transit for me has always resulted in intuitive leaps of faith – some pain but mostly gain.

Thoughts please?!

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I think Chiron is both the Wounded Healer AND the Magician. He becomes the Magician by learning to transmute his personal pain into ?

I think the way the Magician Tarot card shows this via the fingers of the Magician’s left hand pointing towards the ground while those of his right hand point towards the sky

MickeyD
MickeyD

I have Chiron in Pisces in the 6th.I always feared that meant having some health problems,I have had a few here and there but nothing too serious.I have always felt strongly about the mind/body connection—one day I was sitting at the beach with a friend and was just feeling really healthy and alive,both in my physical and mental self,and just was feeling the connection between the two,like you really couldn’t have one without the other and just said out loud–‘Sound body,sound mind’-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_sana_in_corpore_sano

That’s mainly what Chiron in the 6th is about for me—

sailorlibby
sailorlibby

I’m new to this, was fun finding out where things where not sure what it means…..help appreciated My natal Chiron is in Taurus 5 house, with Sun, & (conjunct Mercury, Mars; Trine Moon) Transit Chiron is in Pisces 3 house no planets but (square Jupiter, Uranus; Trine Saturn) When I checked some vital moments (they are a bit over year apart), had similar things – but is that just caz Chiron moves slow??? Meeting my partner for first time Chiron in Aquarius 2nd house (no planets there, but square Sun, Mercury, Mars, Chiron; trine Venus, Jupiter, Pluto) Giving birth to… Read more »

aqua lion
aqua lion

Came back to this tonight so I could read through it all properly, there is so much here. I really like twinfishrising’s insight, on how Chiron is different from Saturn: Chiron = Disciplined practice of the Magician’s art of living magically that pays the returns, whereas Saturn = woodchopping, bean counting etc. I have tried the Saturn approach to dealing with PCOS (ie. ridiculously strict diet / exercise regimes that I as an Aqua-Leo simply refuse to continue as a major impost to my Fabulousness). It works BUT only while you keep suffering, killing yourself. Also the Western medicine approach… Read more »

Kali
Kali

Aqua Lion two words for you: medical marijuana.
I suffer with severe endometriosis/adenomyeosis. I manage the bleeding with progesterone, the cysts with laparoscopies every couple of years, and everything else with MJ.

I am chiron in Pisces. Every day used to be a battle but I’m stubborn so after all of the pain I reaped the rewards 🙂

I am 44. I listened to the traditional docs and took a horrible range of meds( every BCP known to man, lupron, depo, you name it.) from ages 19 to 40. Found MJ at 42. I am never looking back.

aqua lion
aqua lion

chaos in virgo ! sympathise totally, you need to take a step out of your rut. In any direction, it almost doesn’t matter at this time provided that it is something that is going to make you feel good in some way (ie. not trading off your morality or personhood, but somewhere and someplace they value you. Is there anything you are interested in pursuing further where you do work? Anything that bugs you that could be done better that you would be interested in offering to take over? Or else anything outside your job you want to pursue? Is… Read more »

aqua lion
aqua lion

Hey Pegasus, Thanks, I appreciate the thoughts. 42 years old, well if I could just have the power while I still have some fertility I would appreciate it even more, but hey, I guess by that stage you know which way you are going a bit more. self-waxing – yes, I do the face but oh my god the coordination to do all of the legs, tried a few times but could only do the fronts (not the backs) so really not very socially acceptable. So I wear a lot of trousers. But even a wax job only seems to… Read more »

VJAI
VJAI

I have Chiron in Aquarius in the 8th house (Aquarius cusp), and have certainly seen more than my share of dark days.

Trine to Gemini Sun (12th) (Gemini cusp)
Square to Moon and North Node in Scorpio (5th) (Scorpio cusp)
Biquintile to Jupiter in Virgo (3rd) (Leo cusp)

I recently finished a Chiron Return — glad that’s over! But, it gave me a lot of insight.

ASHE’

chaos in virgoan form
chaos in virgoan form

Thanks circlesquared!

well i say communicationn because in order to enter my tenth house positively it is said to work on the qualities of the sign that rules it, which is gemini. Im just ina rut in that I have no career and no real job and really would like to get a move on with my life, but just cant seem to break out of this bind : (
Third house is in scorpio.

chaos in virgoan form
chaos in virgoan form

Hi guys! well id love some astro help : ) I have chiron in the 10th house which is in Gemini right next to Lilith. I knwo tenth rules career and “freedom” from the 4th house sort of thing ( somethign id really like to break out of, and Ive felt that to get there seems extremely daunting. I blame my saturn in the 3rd which blocks my ability to tune into the gemini sense of communicative ease, as well as pluto in the second house: financial sabotage ??? does that make sense?. Also if relevant I have chiron sitting… Read more »

circlesquared
circlesquared

i think it is important to know what sign/house your mercury is in: what are you trying to communicate?

HotAir (saggemilib)
HotAir (saggemilib)

Chiron in Aries / 11th House. It is (wait for it) Square my Venus, Uranus, Pluto, Moon and Lilith, if that’s possible. My wound and hopefully the healing, or at least helping of others, are around a few issues, from childhood through adulthood. Nothing happens the usual, ordinary way in my life. But I am not complaining! I wouldn’t change my part in my life for a usual, ordinary life but I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy either.

HotAir (saggemilib)
HotAir (saggemilib)

Actually it is not Square my Venus, Uranus, Pluto, Moon and Lilith. I think it opposes them as they are all Libra. Oops.

Venus A-go-go
Venus A-go-go

Well, I have Chiron conjuct my sun in Taurus. I am trying to remember whether I have it in my 6th or 7th house.
On Thursday I had a seizure, which was a terrifying experience, but this conversation about Chiron is actually quite interesting in this context. A trial in my health, but also throwing into light my varying and long working hours and how I still went into work and confusing people about how I am not considering to cancel shift out of a sense of duty.
Quite a few things to ponder and evaluate.

Cherry
Cherry

ok, so after some digging…I have chiron in aries in the fourth house, opposing midheaven, sesquiquadrate ascendant. not sure how to interpret that!

Cherry
Cherry

ascendant = sagittarius, midheaven = libra.

Pegasus
Pegasus

Have you tried googling ‘chiron in 4th house’?
Much info to choose from.

Cherry
Cherry

I did after posting this. pretty depressing stuff, mainly because it’s true! I know there has to be a way to kind of work with that, but I just don’t know how.

lots of feeling out of place, alone, not really existent, in a nutshell. lots of self doubt.

redqueen
redqueen

What did you find about Chiron in your 4th house that’s depressing? Mine is there, too, in Aries as well, but minus the other aspects.

Cherry
Cherry

I just found that it really underlined my feelings of awkwardness and feeling non-existent. also, it points out big father issues, and I certainly have those. but I read it as, kind of, that’s THAT to it, you know? I’m not sure how to turn those things into healing or a positive, if that makes sense (I’m too tired to tell right now). 🙂

Saggg
Saggg

I have Chiron in the twelfth house, conjunct my Ascendant in Leo… I am definitely a healer of sorts, I have always attracted sensitive types to me, and constantly have people confiding in me, within minutes of knowing me… I also have a knack for knowing the right thing to say, and knowing how to deal with and understand intense emotions, sometimes beyond my own personal experience. Not sure how Chiron specifically manifests itself in the 12th house and conjunct to my Leo Rising though, could anybody shed some light?

aurora lights
aurora lights

My natal aspects to Chiron, is in Pisces Asc, conj Saturn, trine Neptune, sext Sun, quintile Moon, squares my Merc and Jup and is opposite Uranus and Pluto Virgo 7th. The exceptional/unexceptional theme played strong in life. Agree with Mystic very hard to sort Saturn Chiron, esp. with Saturn in 12th….I suspect that Chiron has to with with being so forced into yourself through pain, for eg. that you come to grow some kind of exceptional heartfelt understanding of others pain and suffering, your ego has to take a back seat for years maybe, but it is by magic, it… Read more »

Pegasus
Pegasus

Am doing Mars in Virgo and my Mercury Sagg meaning don’t need much encouragement to communciate. (It’s actually anger as a positive motivation). 10 printed astrodienst natal charts, all mine, spread out. Mystic I must be getting it after all. How much admiration for your tenacity and your devotion to getting it out there an a fun and insightful way. Happiness for fullifilling your destiny and what you give out to do so. Bernadette Brady sparked my interest in ’88, previously only LInda Goodman’s Arien take for public. Athena Starwoman was Kataka if i remember. You have the Neptunian Water… Read more »

aqua lion
aqua lion

So many great insights here, and amazing how much pain people carry that you have no idea about. I have natal Chiron conjunct Moon and Eris (fairly tight) in Aries, directly opposite Uranus and Pallas conjunct in the 8th. A very long and to me boring story, as I have been dealing with it for so long…. I don’t know if there are any “insights” left to glean out of it, just want the various issues to go away, have been working on them for so long and am really just trying to give myself a break from them right… Read more »

Pegasus
Pegasus

Keep that Temple in your mind constantly, it’s your spiritual ‘home’. What a priviledge to go there.
The Healer gets Healed….ancient saying.

DIY waxing, fuq all the other ways. Golden hairs glisten & shine in the sun, so blonde them?
A woman comes into her Force at 42 years.

numoon
numoon

lovely comment pegasus.

aqua lion, have you looked into bioidentical hormone replacement therapy? (you can have a hormone profile saliva test – much more reliable than bloods – and have a practitioner guide you.)

aqualeoscorpmn
aqualeoscorpmn

so neat that the sun is 5 degrees away from My Natal Chiron. It is really something when you first think of a planet or learn or talk of something many times you can see it mirrored in the chart. Like when I first talked to my scorpio friend of chiron his mercury was passing within two degrees of it. lol so kewl to know all this (our life/lives) is for a reason. Not just a season.

Pegasus
Pegasus

Let the Stars guide you, yes.
and go back to school because you missed your childhood
and re-do it according to your needs. Choose your subjects.
Tout est possible.

Pegasus
Pegasus

Currently transiting my 2nd house about money, self worth and value.
That is SO accurate as feel like giving up work as not paid enough and been dithering about giving myself a raise for 8 months now.
Thanx for mentioning the transit Prowin, hence my peek at where it is currently.
50.7 year cycle divided by 12 houses, so approx 4+ years.
That’s how long i have been underpaid? That would be right!
When it goes into the 3rd, it will be about Community, City life. YUP want to move to CBD and get more involved, go tell it as i see it.

Scorpalicious
Scorpalicious

Hiya Pegs 🙂 I have Chiron in Pisces in 2nd as well. Too busy to look into its meaning right now. I tend to ignore Chiron. There’s so much going on in my chart – especially when it’s full of squares. Anywaaaaay, more important question for you. Hoping you have some idea. Or if anyone else does, feel free to jump in. What do you reckon it means if someone (a current potential love interest) in your dream touches your third eye? I’ve never dreamed that before. It was quite a blissful feeling by the way. His Neptune in Saggo… Read more »

Pegasus
Pegasus

Hello Lovely and a 🙂 to you too. One of the excercises in Tantra is 3rd eye sex! Having a vision together, creating that vision together. You have the paints, he has the canvas, sopaint the picture together. Very symbolic dream it’s about YOU not him, about your inner lover awakening you, your desire for a more spiritual connection. Once you have it, even if it’s for a while, you will always be friends. Sky Dancing Tanta, named after a Tibetan lady-monk, Sky Dancer, said it was having cosmic union with the universe. I take it to mean ‘getting out… Read more »

Pegasus
Pegasus

PS are not Scorps the best for psychic sex?
AND your 8th house. Sex & Death the biggest
mysteries?
Le petite mort? That’s entering the void where ALL creation takes place…….
it’s written in my book of secrets…lol
When a client-friend saw the book he said ‘well it’s won’t be a secret anymore’.
Not with this big mouthed Sagg, i thought.

Scorpalicious
Scorpalicious

Cosmic union with the universe 🙂 Aha! I think that’s what it is. I like it! We were texting all night then agreed to meet in our dreams at 3am. I was thinking “yeah, in ya dreams… is the only way you can have me” tee hee. He’s not currently available, which kinda bothered me at first but yesterday I thought, oh just enjoy it for what it is. He has awakened something in me and I’ve been dead for so long. Its nice to have the blood pumping through my veins again. He may be the catalyst for something… Read more »

Pegasus
Pegasus

Catalyst. Work it. Enjoy the feeling.
You can be sensible w/o it disturbing your happiness 🙂 (as it did for me in the past-being sensible that is, also a committed man).
As you are so independant & free, him not being free could be an advantage, just to keep the juices moving & groovin in the right direction..

Scorpalicious
Scorpalicious

I think I’m bored already. (moon in Saggo square Uranus) 😆

Always sensible (Cap Asc) 🙂

He’s an Aries ex work colleague (freedom loving Uranus all over his Sun) who got in touch after I left the company. Said I “oozed” independence and freedom…. that was the attraction. Think the penny dropped when he revealed that. Maybe that’s why only attached men approach me (I certainly don’t go looking for it). They get their freedom via me. Perhaps my independence/free spirit is too threatening for the single guys? Who knows….

Pegasus
Pegasus

As the Andromeda has turned me onto Barbara Hand Clow, read her take first. Chiron the Rainbow Bridge (between Saturn & Pluto), with a 50 year cycle. Most of what i read about my Scorpionic Chiron resonated entirely, in 11th house (Aqua-humanity). Goes with the other 8th house Saturn & Pluto. What i found interesting was when it was discovered in ’77, was the time the HIV virus was found under the microscope……mmmm. Chiron last in Scorp in ’99. The year i finally did a workshop by a Polarity expert from States after doing theory for 9 years. It rules… Read more »

aqualeoscorpmn
aqualeoscorpmn

lol o gosh HIV is my other life wound. only I survived it because I didnt take the meds and dont think doctors are always correct. I did think i would die in the beginning but I never got anything!?! 13 years so called positive. After being familiar since almost birth with americas dark underbelly in my family dynamics. That idea didnt seem far off. studying the work of Robert Gallow and Peter Deusberg I saw that big time there was so many political motivations for them to lie. Theres alot of evidence ive gone over which i cant put… Read more »

Pegasus
Pegasus

Mercury in Sagg here…lying an impossiblility but my Neptune conjunct Libra can invent fantasies very well:-)
Don’t know the peeps you mentioned but do know hiv doesn’t need to kill anymore if you are relativley healthy. The message it gave was to ‘Look at this thing called Sex’ and so did via Tanta and it’s philosophies and found the solutions, the antidote.
If our foundation our root chakra is stable & nourished all the other chakra will follow from the
base upwards (occlivity).

aqualeoscorpmn
aqualeoscorpmn

Robert Gallow is the original Co- founder of HIV on the US side. Luc Montagnier is the French Discoverer, that even admitted publicly recently in a documentary, called The House Of Numbers that HIV can be can be “cleared” with proper nutrition, and that there was no money in feeding africas poor and treating diseases that have been around for decades. Which are now cloaked under the umbrealla of vaccine grasping. drug pushing, patent creating HIV related illness. Peter Deusberg is one of a now growing body of 2500 scientists that said they did the virology wrong from the beginning… Read more »

Pegasus
Pegasus

W O W.

Saw cartoon in ’86, of 2 Wall Street types, a desk between them, saying
‘buy condoms not condiminiums’.
HIV, The Money Making Dis-eaze’.
Why am i not surpised.

prowlncrab
prowlncrab

Hey Chiron is a pretty interesting fella eh? I admit I’ve pretty much neglected him in my astro investigations but after a bit of retro thingy detective work, I reckon I agree with you Mystic that he does pack a punch. My take is that whilst Saturn is more about unconscious structures that either hinder or help (the internalised critical parent), Chiron is more about perceived hurts that one can’t release and keep cropping up over and over. It may be in different areas of life, but the underlying wound is still the same. I say “perceived” because that’s where… Read more »

aqualeoscorpmn
aqualeoscorpmn

my sister has the same placement, she dont make friends or have any long term easily…

HotAir (saggemilib)
HotAir (saggemilib)

Ooh! Intersting insight. I didn’t see these two posts before I posted below. Chiron in Aries / 11th as well. And always a fish out of water, even among friends and family who love me lots. I think more people love me than like me.

aqualeoscorpmn
aqualeoscorpmn

I was reading that chiron in the 10th is when you have to bear your wounds publicly. That has no doubt been my experience, I dont know if other posters 10th chiron house” told all or left out the chiron part due to us not understanding it fully. I think it has alot to do with my childhood. And I also get the stupid looks from society for not following the path of “success” thats because my life successes are internal and on MY timeline, I have No need to have them in view of others mass expectations. But people… Read more »

twinfishrising
twinfishrising

Fascinating reading everyone’s posts on this. Agree with Chiron parallels to Saturn – no.pain no gain for example, but also a little Plutonic it seems to me too. Something too mysterious for pinning down until after the fact, after the process, and then there is the shame of chironic pain processes that is similar in effect to intense plutonic secrecy. I have it there in Aries 2nd house and it is aspected by a few major players. I have an inability to receive (8th) which I know is rooted in this wound in the 2nd. I never had a career… Read more »

FireyBovine
FireyBovine

totally agree – chiron is saturn in magical, plutonic, tricksterish form versus saturn’s grounded, structures, footings etc …

Pegasus
Pegasus

More time available to do Art? Plant a garden?
Learn all DIY there is?
Swap the manicure kit for a tool kit?
Search out old building being pulled down for interesting or practical salvage?
Boycott supermarkets?
Learn the 64 arts of life?
That sorta stuff TwinFish? Good counsel.
It costs me 50% of my income to be employed! (and many wasted hours ‘on standby’.

Cardinal Idealist
Cardinal Idealist

I have Chiron in the 11th in Cancer, opposite Capricorn Sun/Saturn/NN (from 27º14′ to 28º14′, cozy little things) in the 5th. I often think how absolutely doomed an old school astrologer would find me by looking at my chart. I don’t know much about Chiron (even though this post has helped), honestly, and I’m still trying to figure out where all the information fits. 11th House – mankind, creativity, friends, technology… Cancer is all about emotions, motherhood and home life… And isn’t the SN somewhat of our comfort zone? Where we came from, and the NN where we need to… Read more »

FireyBovine
FireyBovine

I remember when I first learnt the story of Chiron – big resonance – and then I looked for him in my chart – there he was: Conjunct my Sun in the 6th house – a bizarre house, still figuring it out – Taurus intercepted, a kind of secret locked treasure chest, in this house cluttered with Aries personal planets!? Anyway, so he is my sun’s buddy in this dark locked space, opposing Neptune, trining Saturn, Squaring Jupiter. His transit work was pretty good too, a couple of examples .. Passing over natal Moon – a fraught student/teacher relationship begins… Read more »

Gneiss Rox
Gneiss Rox

3rd house Pisces Chiron is trine Neptuner and opp Virgo Sun/Uran/Pluto stellium. Life has really changed – big ego wanted to heal the world, may yet – but starting in small bites. I am learning polarities and balance, writing to heal. One person with whom I have Chiron contact – working to find balance -sitch is maverick, very strange Saturn & Uranian and yes, centaurian. All of it. I am intrigued by the idea of rulership of Virgo – Chiron as self-esteem and personal hurdles regarding ‘not good enough’ sounds very Virgo. My Chiron indicates self-esteem and the re-building of… Read more »

Pegasus
Pegasus

Wanting to heal the world doesn’t usually come from ego, Babe, it’s a heart thing, a woman thing and an idealism.
Ego is when you think you can cure cancer or ageing.

sweetpea
sweetpea

Rox, I was going to say “gee, this is the second time this week someone has stabbed me in the back”…as that is what your words felt like to me… Trans Mars on my Pluto opposite MC/Sun-Mn midpoint and Mercury in the zap zone.. I understand about self esteem/personal hurdles/”not good enough”….Those are the things that I have had to work through as well to cultivate my dreams…I was born with a dream..I can’t help it…It’s just who I am and as an Aries or simply a human being I will not apologize for it. It is all from my… Read more »

Rox
Rox

Sweetpea, I swear i just got your vibe while spacing at my desk, and thought what I had written last night might make you think I was speaking of you and I wasn’t. Pegs is right it is a heart want not a bad thing to want to heal. I was just going about it all wrong, all wrong. Hi Pegs, you are right is my Venus/Jup on Leo 8th. Sun is my final dispositor, I AM here to take ego hits, Sun conj Uran / Pluto. What I said is true, I was admitting my own weakness and struggles… Read more »

sweetpea
sweetpea

Hey, you know what? I was listening to this last night before the ipod died…Over and over…

Saturn never let me get away with anything (as far as the lyrics in the song …..I toot my horn here as Cap Moon in 8th internalize so much..Where is Gem/Aries gonna make it’s splash?…Joking but we have our moments..)

I drove 13 miles one way (to library)just to make sure we smooth this over Rox. My car is on empty…what does that say about Cap Moon/Saturn squares to Aries stuff?

It says we rock on faith… x

I LOVE YOU…Always…xxx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT5msu-dap8

sweetpea
sweetpea

Oh and I think you were a catalyst for me today…I had a good cry…

I felt utterly unloved and alone..I pulled my car to the side of the road and wept… (but there was a strength behind it…I hoped! lol)..

Mars in Virgo working …

Anonymous
Anonymous

I think the world of you honey and was worried you would stew all night until you had computer access bless you for coming back all that way ! Xo
Love you sweets !
Pluto has my past up in my face so much these days don’t know if comin or goin some days. Thank you for forgiving me and yes Saturn has ties with good too love you always soul sistah xo

Rox
Rox

Lordy we both bawlin girl
That was me, love.
enjoy the rest of your evening Sweets I must get ready for work HUGS

sweetpea
sweetpea

x

sweetpea
sweetpea

Wish I had more time to read all the posts… Trans Chiron is conjunct my MC in Pisces…trans Neptune is conjunct my MC/Sun-Mn midpoint in Pisces opposite natal Pluto (kudos to those of you gifted with visualization for this stuff when we try to explain) … trine natal Neptune in 5th.. Another words, I am out to heal the world 😉 As an Aries I’ll die trying…it’s my destiny… Natal Aqua Chiron 9th side conjunct the MC, exact trine to Gemini Mars/Asc…I have done massage/healing work for 20 years but my “other job” is in the written and a “transfer… Read more »

redqueen
redqueen

If Chiron in natal Aries is the wound of identity, mine in Aries in the 4th house sheds light on my being adopted during a time of shame and secrecy. At least it makes sense to me.

Ariel
Ariel

Um. This thread makes me think I need to read a book about Chiron. It is conjunct my Mercury in Gemini, placed in the 11th house at 20 degrees, & opposing my Saturn-Uranus conjunction in the fifth. The consequences of this are outlined in excellent & accurate detail here. http://members.wizzards.net/~magyan/aspects.htm I am using mind-body healing (Uranus) to deal with a chronic pain problem, a method which is discredited by authority figures in my life (parents, doctors), & though my progress is excruciatingly slow (which I will admit is my own fault) I know it’s right. I know if I can… Read more »

12th house Virgo
12th house Virgo

Chiron is the wound that doesn’t heal, yes? Meaning you use your Chiron-pain to heal others. Not sure what you are doing with mind-body healing, but Chiron energy helps you heal others, not your self. Perhaps working with others who have similar problems will give you an outlet as a healer, but I am not sure what will heal your pain. I do wish you the best.

prowlncrab
prowlncrab

Umm I would say Chiron works by healing self through helping others. Like when you channel energy to others for their benefit, the flow of that energy through you heals you also. Working with others is one of the most common spiritual principles of karma and consciousness clearing. 😀

FireyBovine
FireyBovine

so true – chiron did a lot of suffering in silence whilst he taught, healed, created outwards to and for others

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Channeling energy to others that heals you sounds like reki to me. There’s lots of kinds of energy work. I still don’t know about doing reki on yourself. It is a channeling thing. But I was thinking more about chiron being the wound you know best. I don’t think it ever gets put to use in a socially recognized way. Its a kind of knowing that is part of who you are. Like being the person who knows a dark scary path really well. Its a comfort for someone else to see another being on the same trail. Not sure… Read more »

virgo
virgo

chiron is definitely virgo’s natural ruler. No doubt. it makes more sense in every way. and everyone knows us virgos are all about senses and making sense sensible, that garbage. if the “bridge” theme IS real then virgo being the halfway mark of the zodiac, it IS opposite pisces, the godliest of signs… blah blah etc etc i mean the story is this guy HELPING others, serving by teaching them skills, no?

12th house Virgo
12th house Virgo

I agree. Mercury is CLEARLY the ruler of Gemini. I never got why it was associated with Virgo. Virgos are process oriented, not communication/information oriented.

Anonymous
Anonymous

The more I think of this, the more sense it makes to me that my chart ruler (Chiron) is in the 8th house.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

This was me, btw – commenting on myself.

agnes
agnes

mercury is ruler of Gemini,
also is ruler of virgo in my oppinion

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Well, astrologer official policy matches your opinion. Still – I’m taking Chiron as my ruler. I know too many secrets and get no joy from knowing them – such 8th house crap. With Chiron as ruler of my chart in the 8th, so many pieces fall into place. Chiron’s story explains Virgo servitude to me also. Its work that is never done. The wound that never heals.

catfish moon
catfish moon

This virgo rising agrees with chiron as the ruler. When I first read up I felt it in my soul.
I do have mercury in Gemini, so I have the influence. but it isn’t me.

aquacrab
aquacrab

For me, vesta is virgo’s ruler too. Maybe chiron/vesta combo???

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Can we give Vesta to Taurus? I don’t believe in Venus as ruler of Taurus either. Venus CLEARLY rules Libra. That said – Chiron is a minor planet whereas Vesta is an asteroid. I don’t like the idea of asteroids as rulers.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Seems Chiron is WAY important in my life and I assume, in the charts of others as well. Powerful stuff. Wounded healer resonates. Teacher of heroes resonates. But its a painful healing – yes? – to see the heroes not able to recognize themselves as such. Going through a Chiron Venus opposition transit now. Realizing all my significant relationships were with people who have deep secrets they would never admit to anyone (sexual abuse, sexual orientation, that sort of thing). I’ve got Chiron in 8th house Aries and Mars 0 degrees first house Libra. My Aries daughter’s Venus/NN conjunction hits… Read more »

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Wow. This just kind of clicked for me. Chiron in Aries is the wound of identity. And in the 8th house, sexuality/Scropio stuff. Astrology is fascinating. My ex-husband hasn’t and likely never will admit he’s gay. Its sad to care about someone who can’t own their sexual identity. I see it with people ALL the time – particularly the way society projects crap onto male sexuality. Had a soul mate who was sexually abused by his mother. Talk about walking through hell – that was no joy to feel/discover because society (Chiron being outsider fits here) doesn’t see men as… Read more »

fallen angel
fallen angel

Goodness 12th house, your ex sounds a bit like the Sewer Scorp. I have Chiron in Aries in the 7th.. he was secretly bisexual, but given the layers of secrecy, I’m not sure that was it. It is sad when someone denies who they are. In many ways, we’re all given that challenge when we first come up in the world, beyond our strongest identifications, we find the things we resist that are ours, and not necessarily negative things. It is hard to watch someone get trapped in that cycle of denial, a bit like a bird going frantic in… Read more »

lionfish
lionfish

12HV and FA, this has resonated w me. *Takes deep breath* I’m married to scorp rising/8th house moon guy who I’m pretty sure is gay but will never come out. It’s only since I had an affair I realised his coldness wasn’t my fault. He subtly blames me for his lack of interest. I’m financially dependent and desperately want to leave but I can’t just yet. Loads of reasons why I ended up in this situation. His pain and fear re his denial is palpable but I am tired of enabling it. Am praying on the new moon for a… Read more »

The Green Witch
The Green Witch

Lionfish – you are so brave to speak your fear and pain out loud. I hope and pray you find the love and life you deserve – and it’s probably much better than you think you should have. All and every bright blessing.

lionfish
lionfish

Thanks xx

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

My ex-husband isn’t the sewer. We met young and helped raise each other. He’s from a culture where being with boys is OK as long as its in protection of women’s chastity. He admitted he had a boy crush once, and then denied it and played it as a joke. There’s always opportunities to see things clearly. And I didn’t take mine. Anyway, now I see the effort he made in our marriage differently. I know what he was struggling with, why he was depressed eating imported chocolate on the couch in his underwear most nights. Never anything I could… Read more »

lionfish
lionfish

My husband is a good man, the first man to treat me with real kindness and with whom I felt safe. Not surprising given his upbringing and mine that we came together. We are great friends and intellectual partners. But he has been running from his true orientation his whole life, the signs as you say 12HV have been really clear along the way. I hope we can end things compassionately and remain friends.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

I hope for that too. I think the best thing you can do is recognize your needs and his as legitimate. No more negotiating. Sometimes what we need isn’t “fair” in a situation. But we don’t pick our needs. We grow up and do our best to have them met. And you can lead by example. Good luck.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Thanks for your wisdom 12 HV x

lionfish
lionfish

Sorry that was me again x

catfish moon
catfish moon

my “sewer” was a scorpion sun also. I believe he was at least bisexual. He was in complete denial. He said when his wife and him broke up that he wanted to figure out if he might be gay or bi. He thought about it and decided he wasn’t. No actual follow through if you know what I mean.

It explains alot. Though not everything. He was just unstable also.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

BTW – the guy who was sexual abused by his Mom was the sewer for me. The pain and denial of that was so much greater than anything I ever felt before. And he never admitted it. I realized he never would. I think a lot of “womanizers” are severely sexually abused men/boys. We’d see it quicker in women, oddly, how promiscuity is a call for attention, a lack of self esteem, whatever. But with men, we call them “bad boys.” Unfair. But EXTREMELY painful to live with someone in that kind of denial, as you noted. Honestly, it shocked… Read more »

catfish moon
catfish moon

sad story….:( I send a prayer out for his and all of those abused to find healing.

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

Thank you, catfish moon.

hiddendragonqueen
hiddendragonqueen

have been trying to understand my chiron for years… i feel like i’ve read 20,000 articles about it… and yet i still don’t “get” him completely. probably because of his placement… exactly conjunct (within 2 degrees all) moon/mars/sedna/venus 12th taurus. likely he is ridiculously obviously to everyone but me, but the soup is too thick for the light of clarity to pierce through! i DO go through wounding experiences that are entire self-created (voluntarily becoming a homeless junkie for 2 years to understand ex’s pain… ouch), and people do use me as a free therapist always (and i do thrive… Read more »

hiddendragonqueen
hiddendragonqueen

oh and opposite uranus/vertex and squared by vesta/pof and loosely (though does he ever feel loose? ha!) saturn. argh!!

hiddendragonqueen
hiddendragonqueen

just realized chiron probably has everything to do with my embrace of the “house of self-undoing” scary old 12th house astro.

Pholus
Pholus

The wounded healer stuff makes the most sense to me, but I am really a rank amateur at interpretation and tend toward the overly literal, so I’m not making any great claims for my interpretation. I have Chiron at the end of Pisces, trine Mars, opposite Uranus and semi-sextile the North node. I dropped out of medicine after just over three years, have spent most of my life raising my disabled children and am probably about to drop my almost complete psychology degree as well. I am very comfortable in those traditional helper roles that Virgos seem to gravitate towards… Read more »

K-Gem
K-Gem

Finish the almost complete psychology degree…it may open some new doors to walk through.

miller
miller

omg HELP I have sun conjunct chiron on my IC gemini in the 3/4th house opposite Uranus conjunct Midheaven in the 9th, and I feel like this is the cause of/answer to all my problems. What does it all mean????

also, I love D.I.Y. astro! I have learned so much from it. Thanks!

hiddendragonqueen
hiddendragonqueen

you never felt respected/listened to as a child and you carry that insecurity around with you but every once and a while you bust out with “fuq-it-all i’m a genius and i want to be recognized for my brilliance! and i’m going to go have mad adventured to prove my brilliance?” “

Water Pig
Water Pig

My natal Chiron is conjunct mercury and both in 10th house- conjunct midheaven. Oh and I see that on a chart by an astrologer who did a chart for me she has listed my natal chiron, mercury, mars (in 9th) conjunct all in Taurus. I would say this is most relevant in learning to speak up for myself and to follow a career path that I want, not what society wants or expects. I do feel some tension between rules and regulations and helping people- that translates as not necessarily agreeing with theoretical foundations and distrust or annoyance at the… Read more »

shell
shell

I have Chiron in Aries in the 9th. But the Chiron transit through Aqua/Pisces have been squaring my Merc and Sun. Yes Neptune doing that too so lots of vaguary. But the days when I felt really really shit, like all I could do was cry and feel hopeless, where those when the Chiron square was exact.
Don’t think I felt very healed by it either. Glad to see the back of him. I expect the upcoming moon conjunction will be a barrel of laughs.

fallen angel
fallen angel

Hello, fellow Chiron in Aries person..mine’s in the 7th and am utterly hopeless at figuring out what the transits are doing to mine, some sort of buggering I reckon.

I could use barrel of laughs right about now, I’ve gone disgustingly dreary. Can you imagine? Me of the red high heeled shoes, dreary?? Shudder.

catfish moon
catfish moon

I’m Chiron in Aries also. Mine is at the end of Aries conjunct Jupiter. It falls in the 9th house in Placidus house system, but in Koch it is in the 8th.

Anonymous
Anonymous

I had something to say to you re this FA. But moving has been a shitfight and I’m too exhausted/busy to remember or think straight.
It was something along the lines of Femme Ruthless being you living out your Chiron.
If you come up with an answer for the dreariness let me know…

Anonymous
Anonymous

For whatever reason this thing keeps making me anonymous. But I’m not, you hear me!!!!
Shell

Anonymous
Anonymous

I get the magician card all the time.

Scorporation, Inc.
Scorporation, Inc.

Natal Chiron 21 degrees Aries, 1st house. That’s all I have in Aries, and as far as I can tell, my Chiron doesn’t square/trine/conjuct/canoodle with anything else.

Link
Link

Ceres conj Sun, Lilith with Jupiter, Chiron and Neptune, I can’t help thinking that these planets all have ‘interns’ at the moment. Althought I don’t think Lilith would like to think of herself as an ‘intern’ of anybody’s. Chiron in the 4th conj the IC for me, exactly opp Pluto. (That’d be my Dad I’d say) and interestingly I think this part of my chart is as much to do with his pain (if not more) than it has to do with mine. My cousin has the exact opposite. Pluto conj IC opp Chiron (conj Ceres) in the tenth. Speaks… Read more »

catfish moon
catfish moon

Lilith roared at that comment.

hometime
hometime

I dont know what chiron really represents astrologically, but I have it almost conjunct my midheaven in the 10th house. If you count it as a planetoid, then it is in a grand earth trine with venus in cap in the 6th and saturn / north node in virgo the second. I started studying botany and its medical applications at 15, and now Im a doctor of both chinese and western medicine.
Jupiter was sitting right on it when I started working as a western doc.

catfish moon
catfish moon

Amazing….Chiron in the 10th of careers. Near midheaven.
And a healer you are. Wonderful.

The Green Witch
The Green Witch

First house Chiron in Aqua, conjunct Moon in Piscy and opposite Pluto in Leo in seventh.
For me, Chiron is about mentoring – self and others.
(Classic eldest daughter of dysfunctional Irish family)
Romantic relationships totally bonkers – hanging in there to heal; getting out to survive; spiralling down with the pain; and then facing the truth.
Which will, of course, set you free – but not before it hurts like hell.

circlesquared
circlesquared

the relationship part of what you wrote is well-said for me, too. I have chiron in the Ist (pisces) conjunct NN in aries opposite pluto/uranus/jupiter in the 7th, sort of the same as you. chiron seems to colour my whole chart, maybe because of a pisces venus rising. relationships ALWAYS have a painful healing quality. you have gone through your chiron return and i am about to have mine. did you notice anything?!

The Green Witch
The Green Witch

Well, haven’t been in a relationship proper for some years (seven in fact) since the last black hole swallowed it’s own event horizon BUT for the first time in my life, really happy being single. I’ve needed this time to face my demons and discover my desires. And realise that I am not prepared to give up the mono-state unless it’s really what I want – and this time without the icky stuff. It feels really liberating. I’ve had some offers and some encounters (frequently from much younger men) and, while the dalliance has been fun, I have ensured it… Read more »

just me
just me

chiron 6th pisces 41’10’ no clue … one of the few plants not in my 2nd house in scorp. baffled.

libran_scientist
libran_scientist

Just the other week I recalled times in my life when I was profoundly convinced I had the signs and symptoms of a terminal illness. Fortunately these signs and symptoms came to pass without the manifestations of any physical malady. Last week I retro-engineered my astro using the Astrodienst chart feature and discovered that on all such occasions Saturn was opposing Chiron. So, I guess for me at least, Chiron and Saturn work together to psychosomatise me into appreciating the value of my life and those I share it with.

losing my religion
losing my religion

I know the Magi astrologers think that Chiron is a beneficent influence and harmonious chironic aspects between people create lucky relationships.

I have chiron in pisces in 1st.

violetmoon
violetmoon

Without knowing anything I’d always assumed that Chiron had an affinity with Virgo. I don’t really get it and it took me years to get to grips with the virgo stuff in my chart and then I’m only just, so it makes sense to me. I love AlterEgoTrips definition. Mine is 0.1 degree aries in the 5th house with saturn – 21 degrees apart – directly opp. Uranus. Trine my venus/neptune/ceres/pallas conjunction in Scorpio First house ( still not certain if this conjuncts my ascendent – time issues) . TBH I don’t think it indicates anything i didn’t already know… Read more »

violetmoon
violetmoon

Thinking about it being a healer of some form was a driving force for much of my life until my early 30’s, and inspired alot of creativity. Then as I healed my childhood stuff, that need gradually disolved as did my (obvious) creative stuff. My creativity is much more incorporated into my everyday life, as is my need, and knowledge of, to heal/healing. With the transits right now ( not just chiron at work though) I seem to be getting back in touch with those things again, out of my own personal interest and maturity, rather as some raw driven… Read more »

fallen angel
fallen angel

I have Chiron in Aries in the 7th house. Which frightened me to no end when I first read it, like what is that? Intense healing through relationships etc etc??? Pullen astro says, “This person’s ability to help, heal, and teach others, and where one has much experience is forceful, energetic, direct, courageous, and seeks adventure and challenge” and that it is in the area of intimacy/relationships. Sounds good for intuitive coaching…but not quite a happy place for moi? Natally, Chiron opposes Uranus, squares Mars & my sun, sextiles Mercury and the moon but has a trine (finally!) with Venus… Read more »

Diederik
Diederik

Chiron the ‘outside teacher’ does kind of fit. It feels like “the clarifier”, something electric about it’s action – like an electron microscope with a sonic pulse cleansing attachment, maybe that’s the Magicians wand 🙂

Chiron is currently conjunct my Chiron in the 5th house loose square my venus/moon conjunction in Sagg and closing in on that square. It feels like it’s showing up, clearly and with respect, viewpoints on love and relating which I need to correct – and at the same time it helps me do this. There is an element of support in it.

Anonymous
Anonymous

I too am a Chiron return person this year. Natally, mine is exact conjunct Jupiter in 4th on IC, exactly opposed by Stationary Uranus bang on MC in 10th, loosely opposed (6 degree orb) by Pluto-Ceres conjunction in 10th, and loosely squared by Sun in Sagg. Uranus transit all over that was very difficult; father developed motor neurone disease and wasted away, lost my lover, lost my job, my home, my sense of being at home. Mars transit back and forth over it all has been excruciating: deep conflict between outrageous work demands/hours and emotional needs, and again, given imminent… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

woops, that was me, had forgotten to logon

Anonymous
Anonymous

um…did logon but no dice just then – I meant it was me, Fi

contemporary architect
contemporary architect

Curvaceous Venus is on the cusp of my 9th and 10th houses, with MC between. Chiron is in my 9th house. I am so tired of having chemistry lessons with erudite people who are unavailable and whom I meet at one of my jobs. It wounds me, yet I bet it heals them.

Indigofish
Indigofish

Lol that sounds familiar… I have Chiron and Venus close together (can’t remember angles) in Aries. Constantly attracting folks who need therapy but they seem to prefer to work things out by getting close to me and doing my head in. So Chiron in Aries is wound in self esteem, but then after getting some (self esteem), it’s my job to help others with theirs. I am particularly drawn to positive mental health in kids, especially if their parents have dropped the ball due to divorce or just shitty lifestyle. As much as I’d love to dedicate a career to… Read more »

12th house virgo
12th house virgo

I think the Chiron wound doesn’t get to be a part of “official” work. My Aries/8th Chiron has given me loads of insight into sexual identity wounds. I could write a book about it. But, instead, I end up having best friends who are closeted or come out of the closet as a result of knowing me. Not an official role I play, as in a job, but part of what happens by being who I am. My point being, by being who you are you can impact the children who come into your lives. Your own, their friends, that… Read more »

Virgo Ellie
Virgo Ellie

So… is Chiron appearing at the table right now? Ugh, with my chart having Chiron and Saturn right next to each other in my 5th house of Romance!! NOOO!! I thought maybe some good news might be coming through! Or is this a topic just for discussion.. I hope… LOL!! 🙂

crabfishlion
crabfishlion

Chiron conjunct venus in 3rd house…
anyone care to divulge on the above?
please.. enlighten me ?

aquacrab
aquacrab

How you perceive beauty and enjoy things/ also the qualities you are attracted to have a healing effect on you- or possibly there is a history of hurt/pain/wounding here that you are trying to overcome as your own path to wisdom. All this is in third house, so happening/related to the area of your life to do with your immediate environment, your close friends/siblings, style of communication/ thought processes??

catfish moon
catfish moon

What sign?