The Advantage Of Sagittarian Selfishness

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“During the last five years of his life, Lucian Freud ate dinner most nights at the Wolseley. He was intensely private and i’ve never known a person to be so clear as to how they wanted to live their life. I always thought ‘selfish’ was a pejorative word but, through Lucian, I learnt the inherent honesty of its meaning. It epitomized his approach to life: He never did anything unless he wanted to.

“One night we had someobdy waiting in the restaurant for him and he hadn’t arrived, which was very unlike him. Concerned, I called him and was relieved to hear his voice as he reproached himself for not having the date in the diary. I told him i assumed he didn’t want to come, but he was incredulous. ‘But don’t you see,?’ he said, ‘if i didn’t want to have dinner with them, i never would have arranged it.’ 

Obligation was not something Lucian understood.”

Jeremy King – the Wolesley Vogue UK

This is actually an awesome attitude.  Think about it. If you always do what you want (within the law) and excluding the obvious (death & taxes) then you’re never going to burden anyone with the guilt of being ‘obliged’ to you.

Lucian Freud was an amazing artist, the grandson of Sigmund Freud – the Taurus shrink – and a man of whom one of his lovers said “there was a lot that was infuriating about him, if he had a view on something or someone, he wouldn’t be budged and he’d go on and on about it until thought you’d go mad.  He was funny though, which redeemed him.”

 

He was SAGGO – lol – how much does the above fit our Sagg?

But more than that: Sun + Mercury in Saggo trine Chiron-Lilith in Aries and Neptune in Leo.

That’s a massive Grand Fire Trine.  Of COURSE he thought obligation just totally beneath contempt.

But to get away with that, he needed talent, his charm/humor and an insane work ethic.

Not sure what he had rising?

I’m rooting for Pisces.

Whaddya reckon?

And, who’s tried Primordial Selfishness on as a strategy lately?

Cute boy with Zebra

 

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Slither
Slither

It’s not all selfishness. So many people would rather be lied to, or force you to be repsonable for their own feelings and needs. Why? If I have reasons for not wanting to go to your party, why would you rather hear that I suddenly have the flu, then the fact that I simply don’t want to go? Oh no, we can’t tell the truth- we have to slink and tiptoe- lest anyone be offended or hurt or feel put out left out ignored unappreciated and on and on. There is no ill will, and often there is absolutely nothing… Read more »

scorpiorising
scorpiorising

Yes, I am putting up boundaries around my time and space again. Need to give more time to art and writing not attending every social function that I am invited too.

Lonake
Lonake

“who’s tried Primordial Selfishness on as a strategy lately?”
:raises hand: Me! (Sun sq Uranus at your svc)
Makes for less stress, less resentment. Stronger focus. You know your aims/wants solidly and there’s no extraneous..merde as you say MM, in the way..other people’s merde included. I recommend, at least as a temporary trial.

Wish Upon a Star
Wish Upon a Star

Me sun sq Uranus too.

I let a deep breath out and relax. Thank you, thank you for this comment.

I was naturally like this as a child, my family called me selfish. So when I went out into the wider community I was sensitive to this fact and changed my ways.

Now I will embrace it again, yes too much energy and focus is lost.

Lucy
Lucy

It’s not selfish, he’s clear about where he wants the path of his spirit & time to go. Artists especially have to watch this because there’s a tendency to scatter energy. Creative energy is elusive, delicate.

AliB
AliB

Yes yes yes. Trying selfishness as my new strategy. Sag rising.
Love the zebra pic.

ZenTriplet
ZenTriplet

I think that freely choosing to do what one wishes (within laws, no harm etc) is not the same as being selfish (lacking consideration for others). For example – attending a family function out of a sense of obligation has nothing to do with consideration for others, because the energy you take to them is “i don’t want to be here”. My Aquarian (Pisces Moon, Cap Asc) husband is a master at not doing what he doesn’t want to do. That means I often go out without him, which is much more fun for me than if I insisted he… Read more »

Lexicorn
Lexicorn

Granted, was looking on a tiny iPhone screen, but I first read the post title as: Lesbian Food & the Advantages of Shellfish.

Umm… BG, how do you do those bug-eyes?! Is it like this….

8-o

Lexicorn
Lexicorn

Oh, well clearly not…

Gemini 1001
Gemini 1001

‘Primordial selfishness’ YESSSS Mystic im rolling in this very essence at the moment. I am cause I can and I never could 🙂

xxxxx

andromeda
andromeda

Having grown up with a selfish, artistic Piscean I do relate to Freud’s kids being unimpressed by his attitude. There is no excuse for smearing negativity over the planet in that way – especially when you have the talent to inspire others imo. And there is no charm in projecting your ‘honesty’ in a cold and arrogant fashion, it is an aggressive way of putting others down and a power trip.

andromeda
andromeda

But, yes, there is advantage in selfishness, he focused on his art and himself first and got lots of adulation and money for it. Yay!

Anonymous
Anonymous

The two peeps above in aurora lights …yeh had money and glory but no one truly gave a rat’s about them, peeps some, either privately despised them or were jealous etc, no friends only acquaintances both. Both these peeps are used by others and peeps play on their vanity…I have compassion for them and don’t admire their lack of human connection behind shallow appearances of money, success and toughness because I know these peeps suffer inside, greatly, aurora lights

weathergirl
weathergirl

“there was a lot that was infuriating about him, if he had a view on something or someone, he wouldn’t be budged and he’d go on and on about it until thought you’d go mad. He was funny though, which redeemed him.” Honestly, sounds like someone with Aspergers. I say this with abundant experience. Altho’ the Sagg does like to pontificate… But why do we celebrate his clarity about committing to a dinner date (oh the individuated wonder of it all!) when he seems not to have given the same consideration about his parenthood? Seems not at all enlightened in… Read more »

weathergirl
weathergirl

Primordial selfishness? Seems only to work for the extremes: those who have enough dough to insulate themselves from common obligations and those who have nothing and thus nothing to lose by thinking only of themselves. Can someone correct me on this? On the other hand, I’ve cut ties with a few Needy Selfish people, fearing I would become one of them. Pluto is on my case, so I have stoically donned my “I Will Survive” tee shirt. Primordial selfishness? Possibly. As much as someone with a south node in Libra can maintain. But much clearer with “No.” An honest “no”… Read more »

ArienScorp
ArienScorp

Would you give me an example of a “common obligation”? I am curious. 🙂

weathergirl
weathergirl

Answering phone calls when there’s no one to screen them, showing up at birthday parties (of progeny), feeding a diapering and rocking the baby at 3am when you’d rather be asleep (and haven’t slept properly in weeks), showing up at the annual office party, working your ass off for an unforgiving or indifferent/disorganized boss when you’d rather be home learning bass licks, showing up for work when you “don’t feel like it”, paying off your credit card debt instead of investing in new scuba gear, wrenching yourself from a hot moment of productive creativity because you’ve got to collect your… Read more »

weathergirl
weathergirl

Of course, logically, having wealth does not mean one would avoid or neglect all of the above (or would want to!). But money can certainly pay someone else to do these things. Wealth (even moderate wealth) buys greater flexibility in career choices –either at the outset or if one chooses to pursue other dreams/projects. All things being equal. I do know some people feel quite trapped by their wealth and the different set of obligations that attend it. The poor little rich boy who had to run Daddy’s Business when he dreamed of starting a pet store??

ArienScorp
ArienScorp

I think having six kids is when I began rebelling against outside expectations. My obligations now are getting up, eating, and doing things to keep my life functioning. I don’t have to work, my kids are grown, and I do have others to clean the toilet. We often take care of the world when we are moms. Don’t get crushed weathergirl!!

weathergirl
weathergirl

Yeah, well, with six –that’s a platoon requiring some kind of alternate culture, a regime of clear boundaries and expectations just not to be engulfed by chaos! Wow.

I only have the one, but one who needs extra attention. Sometimes it’s easy to say “no” because I’m already over-booked with her care or I know a situation would only lead to disappointment, embarrassment, or hurt feelings if we joined in. Other times I feel incredibly isolated from “normal” life.

I think this is true at some level for all parents.

Yes, thank you! Trying to avoid the crush. 🙂

Sark
Sark

“sounds like someone with Aspergers”
– Well, he was diagnosed with Asperger’s syndrome.

catfish moon
catfish moon

I am quite like that, especially the last few months. I have needed to heal, so I have gone moment to moment and moved as I have felt. Of course, I have burned through my savings. And have work that I should help finish that I haven’t cause my heart isn’t in it….

ArienScorp
ArienScorp

We need each other. I think that’s why we’re suspicious or resentful of the few truly self sufficient. They don’t give a damn about us and we know it. They won’t be around to give us help when we need it.. I agree with harp that real selfishness is a neediness that won’t quit. We are not “obligated” to anything, period. Hopefully, we choose to raise our children in a way that enhances their potential. We choose to be good partners or employers/employees or friends. Understanding the difference between actions that help, empowering others to have more control of their… Read more »

plutonic gem
plutonic gem

: ) I agree, very nicely written

scorpiorising
scorpiorising

agreed.

In order to create we must take that time and space to do so. It might very well be selfishness but, nothing would ever get accomplished otherwise.

PiscesOne
PiscesOne

I have tried being more selfish and this year I’m really making it happen. I have always taken in strays. Human strays into my home and allowed them to mess w what I need to do or get in my way. I’ve come to the conclusion I need to make my way this time and push everything else aside.

Charley
Charley

My Aqua grandfather (very gentle, kind man) and Lucien were at school together, apparently he was a bully and kind of mean. Talented and mean.

Selfishness and creative drive go hand in hand. I’m selfish/creatively driven and I only get involved with ultra selfish, talented men who make art. Regardless of their sign they all operate on that level.

weathergirl
weathergirl

There’s a longer profile in vanity fair here:
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2012/02/freud-201202

Feeling very unsympathetic about the selfishness of “great” artists. Not sure what to think about a man with about 15 children and a general indifference to them apart from their use as future models, etc. The article addresses their perspective, too. Many of them thought his selfishness not so amazing.

weathergirl
weathergirl

Selfishness and creative drive go hand in hand? I wouldn’t subscribe to that wholeheartedly. Seems a bit childish, a bit low-Leo to live one’s whole life like that. But I’m not sure you’re making that the claim to your whole life.

My child is intensely creative and selfish –and competitive, but she’ll not go far if she can’t make time for others or begin to see (and hopefully occasionally value) others’ ideas, too.

Not criticizing you, directly, but this topic did hit a personal nerve.

Charley
Charley

He was a jerk! I’m not suggesting that being an artist was an excuse for a lifetime of that kind of behaviour, no way. I think what I meant is that being an artist does sort of mean you have to cut off from people to get into that place where you create. I need a lot of alone time, hours in my studio with no words spoken sometimes late at night, sometimes all night. I’m not sure I want children because they would interfere with my ability to have that. Surely that makes me kind of selfish? But obviously… Read more »

weathergirl
weathergirl

Yes, you make sense.

Though I think we’re trending toward the “women must make babies or art, but not both” argument.

Yeah, male energy does tend to be more selfish. No one ever accused Mars of being a deep thinker. And men tend to reward other men for their selfishness. SOME men. I think the general cultural trend of the last 50 years is toward allowing me to express more of their Venus nature without fear of banishment from the boys’ club.

Morning of SWEEPING generalizations, everyone!! Yee-haw.

Charley
Charley

No way, I know successful female artists who have kids, loads of them (although in fairness a lot of the time they only get serious when their kids are older). It’s just me that doesn’t feel like I personally can do both, one thing would have to give because I’m an extreme Scorpio 😉

weathergirl
weathergirl

Thought you’d appreciate this. A quotation from Steinbeck (copped from another site discussing such):

It has always seemed strange to me…The things we admire in men, kindness and generosity, openness, honesty, understanding and feeling, are the concomitants of failure in our system. And those traits we detest, sharpness, greed, acquisitiveness, meanness, egotism and self-interest, are the traits of success. And while men admire the quality of the first they love the produce of the second. ~ Cannery Row

scorpiorising
scorpiorising

So very true!

Anonymous
Anonymous

You sound self aware, not selfish. If you had children and then lived a lifestyle that neglected the children, THAT might be selfish. Choosing not to have them while revelling in that freedom is wise.

I’m an artist currently revelling in that freedom, timewise. I still feel my neglectful parents failed by not providing structure and consistency during my childhood.

Having joyfully lived on my own terms as an adult, hurting no-one, I’m now feeling ready for the regular structure and discipline needed to ‘settle down’.
I’mlooking forward to it.

catfish moon
catfish moon

been with one….NEVER again. No thanks.
Of course I dreamed he returned last night(as I often do). Him trying hard to woo me, be a good man. ugh.

Harp
Harp

I think one of the hardest things in life is to know what you want and go get it. I’ve always listened within and let it guide me and I’ve done what I wanted because I had the advantage of freedom from people around me, I didn’t feel any expectations, I flew under the radar and ended up doing some unconventional things in my work. The people who have tried to constrain me into doing what they want or misplaced obligation are now old friends or no longer friends. I wouldn’t call going after or doing what you want ‘selfishness’.… Read more »

catfish moon
catfish moon

Oh I SOOO agree about the selfish and needy. The selfish artist I was with was so needy. Makes me sick to think about.

yesh
yesh

good life philosophy

aqualala
aqualala

“But to get away with that, he needed talent, his charm/humor and an insane work ethic.”

That. Work, and schedule, in order to do the things you want . . . and to not do the things you don’t. Social obligation can bite back.

rosebud
rosebud

yes, yes it really can unfortunately. but at least that’s a nice challenge to have, to always have to be witty and charming so you can get away with your own little escapades.

aurora lights
aurora lights

i know two really successful ‘lifelong’ workaholics, a cap and a sagg who only have time for their empires…except when they for eg. are in hospital or go o/seas to…usually do biz. everyone just accepts this, never questions it, and peeps utterly admire them because they are so successful and are clever at money making, it’s true, they do employ peeps and build the community with all their hard work…they are both charming of course and help local charities one of them i know gets out of bed in the morning just for the sheer thrill of ‘making money’, like… Read more »

plutonic gem
plutonic gem

I try for authentic decision making, but was just discussing with fellow gemini today how HARD it is for us to make a decision in the first place, as we can see the big picture and oft want to be doing more than one thing at once… BUT it is a brilliant way to be, living AUTHENTIC and w INTEGRITY… Hot picture mm.

Louella
Louella

so it’s a gemini thing? I am relieved because that’s totally me…

catfish moon
catfish moon

totally me too, but I am not a gemini. I have mercury(my chart ruler) in Gemini.
Can’t make a decision, see the big picture, want to do multiple things at once, move from one thing/activity to the next quickly.

mercurial fireside
mercurial fireside

I think it’s a Gemini thing. Gem sun Sagg rising.

ANON
ANON

Must be a Gem thing. The problem is I can empathise with everyones opinions and think ooohhhh thats a good point. Then I just get muddled. It can be very frustrating…. sometimes I just over think things.

poppalina
poppalina

Are you kidding me? That was my NYR for this year…… no more doing shit (especially socially) because people expect it of me….. I’m sick to death of being angry about not being able to work because I have to do something I don’t want to do, rather than offend people, and in truth having no one to blame but myself….. fuq that….. selfish is the New Me….. Lucien ROCKS.

mercurial fireside
mercurial fireside

Fuqing oath poppalina. I cannot agree with you more. I am sooooooooo tired of it. I’m saggo rising and it feels like death to not be doing what I REALLY want to be doing. So I def needed to see this today and I’m going to write it in big letters and stick it on my wall.

poppalina
poppalina

Y’know, as someone who was always very locked in to keeping others happy, I have to say, it’s been very liberating, in a ‘OMG I really have been a secret bitch all along, how MARVELLOUS’ kind of way….. Knock yourself out, MF. xo

librawritlarge
librawritlarge

Lucian Freud was a brilliant painter. Saw one of his final shows at Pompidou in Paris in 2010. Stunning.

equilibrium girl
equilibrium girl

Oh no. Just started a flirtation with a Saggo!!! My ex was one. what am I doing?? Am stuck in a 3hr facebook chat with him at the mo… He’s terribly witty and honest. Funny that.

First convo I had with him when I met him was about how he’d walked the El Camino de santiago 3 times and wanted to go again. Heh heh.

sag-leo
sag-leo

Man, those guys are like catnip, aren’t they? I am saggo myself and cannot resist them…..great conversation, hot lovers, elusive, charming and fun. Heartbreakers, all.

equilibrium girl
equilibrium girl

Yeah, it’s the casual heart-breaker element I’m trying to put at the front of my mind so I stay responsible with this, wherever it might be going. The thing is – and there’s always a thing – he kissed my Taurean gal pal at a NY eve party we were all at. Okay, so he was smashed (charming – but I’ll forgive him in the context.) but he apparently really liked me. So. Now he’s trying to do the sober ‘getting to know you’ thing which is quite sweet and entertaining… but I fear my friend has a ‘thing’ for… Read more »

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