Upstaging For Leisure

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Diana Ross in showgirl mode

I’m back! 

So, who knew that when doctors say things like ‘don’t exercise with so many stitches in your shoulder’ they’re not just being anal? They have, like, reasons and all. 

But my obviously truculent Mars-Pluto-Uranus conjunction (in the 8th!) is not the subject of this post. 

I’m thinking about upstaging.

You know, Mars is in Leo and I did in fact just hear of a woman who stepped in front of someone at a party, wearing a “pink spandex thing” and then proceeded to actually sing some light opera she’d picked up on her – namedrop – travels with -namedrop and namedrop.  Her explanation: “I’m a Leo.”

But I’m contending that Leo is not the most solid  upstager of the Zodiac. I think it’s Aries. Because Leo upstages like some sort of a biological urge, like a moth seeking the light, only the Leo would say “butterfly”.  And it’s their theatrical instinct. Every stage needs a star, a lead actor, does it not?

And if it is only the Leo who can enunciate their vowels correctly/accessorise/flick their hair so that golden fairy dust flies around the room, than Leo ups the stage, yes? 

And Saggo does it out of an excess of enthusiasm: “hey guys I’m HERE, it’s ME and i’m abseiling through the skylight in my pyjamas because it’s THAT kind of a party, right, RIGHT?” The ability to laugh the loudest, react with incipient hysteria to even quite mild jokes and regale crowds with hideously inappropriate anecdotes can inadvertently upstage anyone. 

But it’s only our Aries who treats upstaging like some sort of a combat mission, that they will complete and with maximum impact. Have you ever gotten into the ‘kill zone’ of an Aries trying to impress someone?  You are either on their team (gushing adoringly in wide-eyed, rapt admiration) or you’re competition/distraction, in which case you’re about to get taken down. 

Thoughts? 

 

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Ariean women are my fave. Not all women can get away with wearing red. Aries becomes Her. They are all so damned fearless and driven and honestly the ones I’ve known don’t try to dominate situations forcefully – they are so self aware their mere presence is enough for people to notice them. The Queen of Wands in the tarot reminds me of an Aries woman. Bold, brave, brawny and brilliant.

mountaingirl
mountaingirl

If i have aries sun and leo moon – what does that make me? some kind of queen of the upstage? Though I guess it is tempered somewhat by my earthy taurean ascendant…..though that does bring with it a good dose of stubborn will – which only adds to my alluring battle armour. LOL

Scorched Earth
Scorched Earth

What a great (epic) post to read this morning everyone! Laughing yes.. as I look around to see if I can swing off the deck in my slinky leopard pj’s (still feeling the rock chic vibe after a gig last nite lol) but there wouldn’t be any attention to be had and I did do enough of that last nite! Don’t know too many Aries women but I did have a neighbour (or was that a jail sentence ~ or karmic balancing) next door to me for 5 or so years and she and I got along reasonably but she… Read more »

Brenda
Brenda

lmao

Oh yes, I definitely do this. I’ve got a Leo moon and Aries rising…. I am all about upstaging those I don’t think deserve it. Or those who think they’re better than me. Or Leos. (no offense leos! some of ya rub me wrong is all) The list sort of runs on.

It’s only that my Cancer sun runs interference much of the time, so I rarely thrust my fabulousness in the face of others. 😉

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

I’m going to go to the gym tonight and then sit in the sauna. Need something to do that is therapeutic. I have been having some hard cries today. Just so much been stirred up.

aurora lights
aurora lights

love & blessings to you gorgeous woman xxx

The Virgo librarian
The Virgo librarian

I hope you feel better soon, Sweetpea.
Gym and sauna sound good – Taurus moon says nurture/care for yourself with good food, relaxing soak in the bath-tub, relaxing surrounds, massage. It’s been a huge week.

Baristagem
Baristagem

😯

Sweetpea I don’t know if your saw my comment on a previous post, I recently read somewhere that – physical pain is the antidote for emotional pain –

I thought that is so true and explains my relationship with exercise – when I hit the gym/bike/pool… I hit it hard. 😯

Love and hugs to you Sweetpea xo

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Yes! I remember when younger the eliptical and I had many a session purging emo’s. x

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Thanks guys, you’re sweet. Have the t.v. turned down but nothing like watching Snooki, a Sagg, and her antics…she is good for a cheering up.

Saw that one episode where her boyfrined comes to Italy but then Snooki has too much to drink, lifts her dress and her boyfriend is disgusted, walks out and goes back to the states. She dissolved into tears. Oh my…lol

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Oh and got to the store the other day….Had on one black and one brown thong on my feet. They were not even the same height….No, I could not help but laugh at that. Hows that for Gem Mars/rising distraction/chaos.

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

It’s biker weekend here in Palm Springs. Maybe I go down town and find me a big burley one to take me for a spin… 🙂

fushiafairy
fushiafairy

sounds like a fun distraction! Hope your feeling better soon.

Gneiss Moon
Gneiss Moon

hugs, sweets. Sorry is a rough patch, had a big emo cry a couple of days ago too. As Oprah calls the Ugly Cry. Gotta get it out somehow, hope you feel better soon xo sauna sounds great btw (toxins, begone) take good care

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

x guys. Saturn in the mix of this relational Full Moon brutal as far as showing where polarities lie and not getting past even the third phone call. Would have just been nice to not again be the strong one, but I am because I have to be. Sigh… Saturn conjunct his Moon right now (and opposite my Sun). None too pretty on either end I imagine. This is his lesson and mine is to hold steady with all I’ve learned in the past. Such it is I guess when you’re ten years older. Just like being a mother when… Read more »

Gneiss Moon
Gneiss Moon

sigh. to call or not to call…?
Is it a sign of strength to hold back or fess up..?
(shrug) I called.
So much like the line in Singles ‘if I were playing games I would have waited a week to call’. sheesh

Gneiss Moon
Gneiss Moon

ps. Pluto in 1st square Saturn, 7th is getting workout- not for sissies – even us cap folk have limits
I think I’m gonna have to watch that movie again.
Bridget Fonda is adorable “if I make a basket I call him.”
(misses) ‘okay- two outta three’ 🙂 hugs

Gemini 1001
Gemini 1001

aries totally brutal on the kill… couldnt be more on the mark

AirOnFire
AirOnFire

Aries moon, leo ascendant/mars, saggi venus/neptune, libra sun – now it’s a case of saturn stealing the ship from my Captain Wildchild. First a disaster of a birthday on full moon opposite saturn. Then a birthday dinner on the night of saturn-sun conjuction ( I still cant believe I have chosen THAT day!! Have I not learnt anything?? ), it went ok, despite some friends cancelling at the last minute due to unexpected problems. It had a nice but sensible quiet vibe. All that firey diva energy is really throwing my inner balance sometimes. I enjoy the feeling of ‘aliveness’… Read more »

aurora lights
aurora lights

oh and bullies, they’re just scared souls xxx

The Virgo librarian
The Virgo librarian

i like your style aurora lights, have a great w/e.
v.l

aurora lights
aurora lights

Thanks VL, same me to you 🙂 Have beautiful astro weather !xxx

plutonic gem
plutonic gem

yes… this is so true… and brings tears to my eyes….

aurora lights
aurora lights

Gorgeous Sunday to you PG 🙂 The peeps here are truly lovely and sounds like v.v. successful & wise peeps., I’m blown away too, brilliant ideas and vibes here, and it’s so affirming and restoring for my soul too, i feel so appreciative for this site and the people who share here, I personally feel this site is so valuable…yes, feelings of tears and gratitude too. I hope you’re feeling good inside yourself PG with your recovery, felt a bit blah Sat 12th, this morning, but much better after looking here ha ha 🙂 Humane behaviour, attitudes, even with the… Read more »

aurora lights
aurora lights

i’m guessing you prob. might given your sleuthing so here it is…(p.s i’m so learning here too !) by Lyn Birkbeck from above source book: “…Perhaps you create intrigue in order to keep your mind on its stealthy toes, which is fine as long as you do not get foiled by your own mental swordplay. Looked at another way, yours is a fundamentally sharp and efficient mind as there is always something that needs looking into – and you cannot resist – so your mental muscle is constantly exercised. …learning to leave well enough alone is a talent you also… Read more »

plutonic gem
plutonic gem

WOAH…. there is a lot there I relate to and need to read over again to really get….

Thank you so much for sharing…. Im so grateful…. I feel really overwhelmed with the love and support here right now….

Its so wonderful to be reminded not to be scared or to be tough, but to be true to myself, and Im so so grateful….. thank you all so much….

aurora lights
aurora lights

Mercury in Scorpio – by Lyn Birkbeck from “The Watkins Astrology Handbook” “… Essence – Thinking through Desiring” X-ray eyes – The Sleuth What you want and what you fear are heavily entwined in your mind. This is because such a profound and probing intellect as yours is quite likely to have attracted attacks from others who have seen it as a threat. Such antagonists in your past may very well have been those who should have known better, like teachers or anyone else who had authority over you – even older brothers and sisters. …yours is a mind that… Read more »

The Virgo librarian
The Virgo librarian

Also describes Pluto – detective, researcher, depth of analysis is a good vehicle rather than pure destructiveness of (lower?) Pluto.

Mercury, arguably, is the most important planet if thought rules /creates your world.

On that note, I’m off to engage venus since the sun and moon are both venus ruled today, and so am I.

v.l

plutonic gem
plutonic gem

Yeh wow…. sorry its been so long since Ive been back on here today… I spent the day in full recovery mode and self care and only got back on here tonight…. that’s really interesting stuff…. my natal merc is in gemini in the 8th house, so I imagine some of that stuff is really relevant to me natally as well as the merc in scorp current transit…. Interesting the suspect malice of intent where there is none… I have been prone to this and maybe still am, I thought it was a self esteem issue, but sometimes its because… Read more »

SourPatch
SourPatch

When I was first courted by my ex who had a Scorpio Sun + Sag Stellium, it was totally like that. Though I never minded Sag stellium’s version, because it was more goofy and oddball than vain (see: Leo). Then again, Im pretty much a mutual magnet for the offbeat so thats just me. I have an Aries Mars myself so I’ve recognize that I’ve done this in games or competitions in childhood (I played soccer for many years). Its in the 3rd house so I still loooove accomplishing some sort of “mental” feat these days, but I’m not so… Read more »

fushiafairy
fushiafairy

My ex boyfriend was scorpio sun and sag stellium…interesting mix. I agree about the more goofy and oddball.

SourPatch
SourPatch

Yes, one of the more interesting and frustrating mixes I’ve ever come across. Gotta admit there was rarely a boring moment, but in the end I so over his schizoid ways.

SourPatch
SourPatch

He’s also recently popped up in my dreams…..grrrrr.

fushiafairy
fushiafairy

oh….when men are in my dreams, it’s like we have psychically connected. I don’t always want that with them…lol.
Mine popped up in real life a few weeks ago, but then vanished again. I couldn’t believe the way he would act sometimes, but his strong sag could be amazing too. He had lived overseas most of his adult life in 2 different countries and spoke another language fluently.

SourPatch
SourPatch

I’m hoping mine doesn’t pop up in RL again, as I’m not that interested in running into him. I think the combo of Scorpio/Sag made him a bit hypocritical in the area of loyalty/flaking out. He wasn’t a bad person, but he can’t expect forgiveness if he wasn’t good at it himself. Of course one could hope that 7 years is enough time to change and evolve but tbh, I’m just very apathetic to the idea of working out anything with him again. I think he’s shown up about twice in my dreams since the last time I saw him… Read more »

GeorgeSand
GeorgeSand

I agree. Saggs are just goofy w/ enthusiasm, Leos are just plain vain, but Aires have an agenda.

year of the fox
year of the fox

I have a Cancer Sun friend who has Aries Moon + Rising. Very talented and beautiful but wastes so much time doing crap like trying to make the mostest Steampunk outfits for balls and parties. I remember for a huge gala once, she started working on the costume like 2 months before the event. They look great but she gets so mad when someone just cobbles something together and they get judged as having a better costume.

Gneiss Moon
Gneiss Moon

My Saggo stellium ex would drop conversation bombs that made my jaw drop. Funny though ! I’d be rich if I had a dollar for everytime I said “I can’t believe you just said that!” Love Saggos X

Pegasus
Pegasus

Hahaha, you wouldn’t want to go party with me then 🙂

Gneiss Moon
Gneiss Moon

haha Are you kidding me ?! My Sag Mars would love a Saggo carouse ! X

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

Can we go together? One can abseil from skylight, another crash heroically through a window, another burst up from a giant cake. Must be provocatively/elegantly dressed.

Then off to a bar…watch the jaws drop at our responses to cheesy pick up lines. Let’s slay ’em and laugh to betsy!

Gneiss Moon
Gneiss Moon

haha would love it, come round and get me at the corner of no + where I’m game ! ready to blow this cornfield !

Venusian Virgo
Venusian Virgo

Couldn’t agree with the Saggo comment more. A friend of mine is Sag and I wasn’t sure exactly how she fit in the sign except that she has dark features and long legs. But this is so her! We all love her but she is in constant need of attention, and is definitely one to laugh the loudest to get noticed. Also loves to make jokes although she is terribly un-funny. I have been dubbed “mean M” (my name) because I usually can’t be bothered to please her by laughing. Virgos just want to sit back and only really get… Read more »

Piscean Closed For Renovation
Piscean Closed For Renovation

but is she in constant need of attention? or just outgoing and chatty and wants to engage with people and share the love? there’s a massive difference.
saggies laugh loud even if they’re in the middle of a forest with only the birds for company.
life-people-fun-joy versus neediness-validation-insecurity.
take care.

T
T

Both my parents are Rams, so, YES. Absolutely. My favorite is when they try to upstage each other when they’re in Martyr Mode. And by “my favorite,” I mean “please kill me now.” At least they stopped trying that crap on me when I was still a kid. I maintain that they had a Scorpio child due to karma. You can’t out-stubborn a fixed sign!

That Saggo description is spot-on, too. My oldest brother is a Sagg, and as overbearing as he can get, it’s hard to get annoyed with him because he’s always so upbeat.

T
T

Oh, and my best friend is a Leo, and THAT description fits her perfectly too–she does constantly talk about herself, but it doesn’t come off as arrogant, it’s just what she does. And she’s just as interested in what’s going on with other people.

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

Something you’ll forget/won’t want to do is write these incidents down while you are in an emotional swirl, but make notes with dates.

Regardless of what you do with these notes later, even if it is simply to work with a counsellor, these will help. I say ‘simply’ but that is not to underestimate the power and value of this work, nor the immense effort it takes.

Love and power xxx

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

That’s for p-gem x

Pegasus
Pegasus

All the above helps me too with the bulying i am being subject to
by Demented Virgo Neighbour & his Toothless FagHag friend.
The police are powerless as she is on his side of property so can
only hope Universal Law pulls them up.

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

Lady Pegasus, i thought you were moving house? The thought of continual bombardment from these harpie energies is not pretty. Not kind. Not deserved.

The Virgo librarian
The Virgo librarian

Pegasus, that situ sounds rotten to the core. I remember you had that horrible t-square pluto-mars-uranus encounter with the demented and toothless. v.l

Ps. i’m sorry, no good with pep talks today, is there someone with a good aries?

The torro moon conjunct my natal moon today is too strong …

Libraquarius
Libraquarius

Hate to say it, but sometimes the whole solution in this sort of situation is for you to get out. We had a truly horrible neighbour when we lived in Victoria, he used to start his music at 8pm and carry on until 8am, quite random nights, we’d call the police, he’d turn it down, then turn it up again as soon as they left. The aggro was horrible and in the end we decided it was best to quit in our own health and mental interests. Must have been the right decision because we sold our home close to… Read more »

fallen angel
fallen angel

Pegs honey, just keep on documenting stuff while you’re there. It’s your best bet whilst they attempt to poke & prod you into a reaction. Since you’re not moving yet, you’ll need to do that to protect yourself anyway. While I loathe the stress this puts you under, maybe the move is delayed because it would just be too easy for them to not have to answer for their actions. Sometimes things flip so unexpectedly.. case in point, the Knox case and even the West Memphis 3. NOT that you’re in any way remotely on the same scale..but both those… Read more »

Pegasus
Pegasus

Thanx my darling friends, the warehouse has hookers & drug dealers hanging about outside the building (CBD). Other rents are TRIPLE what i pay now as i have been looking. Yesterday i called over the dividing fence ‘we need to talk’. He replied ‘don’t threaten me’……huh & double huh. They are both actually scared of ME. I have been picking up their fear, so all of a sudden there is a reversal of power. It’s always about power, who has it & who doesn’t. I have the greatest case to evict him and because of that i’m asking for a… Read more »

fallen angel
fallen angel

Pegs darkling…forgive me but if he’s willfully misinterpreting your request to discuss as a threat when in fact it was a mere question, then I can’t see how this will work. My concern of course is that any further contact will just be additional opportunity for him to accuse you of something not even remotely in occurrence – do you really want to chance that? Wot about you? Wot about the chances you deserve to have a peaceful and productive home life?? My intuition is beyond bells and into fire alarms on this one hun.. just saying. I think you… Read more »

plutonic gem
plutonic gem

Thanks ml…. another friend was talking to me about this writing this stuff down… and i agree its hard to do it at the time, and even after, as i just want it to go away…. but it is a very smart thing to do, and even necessary in high risk work!

plutonic gem
plutonic gem

quick! help with mercury in scorpio! well we’ve got all weekend actually to strategise a plan. thats me and all you guys, I need your help. Im first house scorpio and while Im a plutonic gem, im also very mercurial… so its very HARD for me not to talk sometimes, and then others I retreat into the depths of not talking about what needs to be talked about… So TWICE today I felt I talked out of turn (only just), DID not handle communication very professionally albeit in the midst of other unprofessional communication… mind you thats been happening since… Read more »

Piscean Closed For Renovation
Piscean Closed For Renovation

ok, so to summarise, that sounds like you are concerned you may have run your mouth off at someone at work, who can be rude and make personal remarks or jibes to you? why are they doing this – frankly this is very immature. If i’ve got that right, there;s some advice that works for me (some more info below)- BE THE BETTER PERSON. Their rudeness and crappy nature will eventually be their own undoing. You may or may not be around to see it, but it’ll happen. If this person is your boss or someone who has influence, or… Read more »

Piscean Closed For Renovation
Piscean Closed For Renovation

it also helps to pity the person who is behaving like a dick. 😉 good for putting some distance between their words / actions and your response.

plutonic gem
plutonic gem

and I really do feel sorry for this person that thats the way they have learnt to communicate… because it must be painful!

Gneiss Moon
Gneiss Moon

PG, I had a similar situation, and the advice my friend gave me was- politely decline to discuss anything personal. Do it enough, and they will get the message. Good luck

plutonic gem
plutonic gem

yep… dont worry this person dosnt listen, they just talk, they dont ask questions they just talk, in a very authoritarian way…. and in saying that they also are really cool in so many ways…. so sometimes I want to listen, then i just have to switch off… so yes… i dont get to share too much anyway

plutonic gem
plutonic gem

thank you so much pcfr…. I eally appreciate your advice, and you have reminded me re: non-violent communication and I will also do some more research…. No its not my boss/ thank fuq/ but thats another story, that is being managed ok at this stage… But to qualify, the weird thing is I like this person in some ways, but their communication style is very bullying, and at time narcissistic. This person has an absolutist way of speaking at times, which automatically means they appear powerful and in control. Then statements made about me, frame me, when really all it… Read more »

The Virgo librarian
The Virgo librarian

I don’t think my comment went through .. bad internet connection so here’s a brief Pgem, i empathise, it’s frustrating and stressful working with peeps who move the goal posts continuously. I don’t think it is possible to harmoniously work with bullies. I suggest pivot away, protect yourself, cut contact, don’t stoop to conquer a worm, put your energy into good things and the people who respect/value and support you. Zen it all the way (stay cool and calm). Decide on boundaries that feel good for you and stick to them and run it through your head. Stay away from… Read more »

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

The bully at work? I simply told my inner teachers “get rid of her” and within a month she was moving away… 🙂 Sometimes you just gotta give the command…

Now if that ain’t Arien….lol

The Virgo librarian
The Virgo librarian

That’s the aries pep talk I like!
Me so Mercury in Virgo (practical).

plutonic gem
plutonic gem

good advice sweetpea… just command what i want….

plutonic gem
plutonic gem

“Zen it all the way”…. yes thank you v.l. I reckon thats the best thing to do… which is kinda like teflon, things dont stick, its just phenonmena arising… I think I got to the end of my tether this week, after being sick and working late nights to catch up on paperwork (we all did), i wasnt being one of those wankers that do overtime just to look good… I had lost my zen… back in the swimming pool today to find the water zen… Im so relieved to find you my fellow bloggers pointing me in this direction… Read more »

The Virgo librarian
The Virgo librarian

love the teflon idea .. but a no to strategy or light and superficial- just do saturn (sensible) (Oh and I have leo in 1st so i love creating personas and exploring character, and i have venus in 1st which is probably why i had the inappropraite colleague in july/aug — so may not be fun/suitable for merc in 1st???).

and and do dave grohl – keep playing (keep moving on). if it was nothing then let it alone, don’t push or people will push back at you.

chookas!

plutonic gem
plutonic gem

dave grohl? understand keep playing and moving…. I was concerned about mercury transiting scorpio at the mo… mystic said something about being careful about letting out secrets, and speaking about taboos and death and sex and other peoples money probs… you know prob all that inappropriate stuff, that I manage not to talk about in mainstream arenas unless appropriate, that I am scared that with Scorpio 1st house, I wont be able to help myself with merc transiting….. as 1st house is like how i show myself to the world… and usually, obviously, I can hide it pretty well, but… Read more »

SourPatch
SourPatch

Wow, if they’re making you feel guilty for standing up to their BS, I’d give a guess that they’re a bit manipulative too. I’m pretty strong in mercury and pluto too, have an emotional sun opposite a cold ASC, and I even have a mercurial moon sitting in the 8th, so I feel for you. You want to stay neutral/objective/whatever but then some people want to push your emotional buttons. I learned not to pay any mind to those people anymore, because that’s the only thing they want (a reaction). No reasoning with them. Workplace bullies are frustrating, but 9/10… Read more »

plutonic gem
plutonic gem

hey sp…. yes all my gemini is in the 8th house too, so i have to watch I dont talk about taboo subjects in the wrong places, can be exciting conversation for some, but can expose my radical views very easily if talking about this stuff…. Unfortunately a very small workplace, very small team, in fact my team is just me and the said person. Have to reason with them to some degree, have to communicate with them, have to learn from them as Im the newby. They are bullying in their communication style and demanding their own needs above… Read more »

SourPatch
SourPatch

Yeah, it doesn’t seem to matter *where* you work anymore, there always seems to be a septic ego in the bunch. I used to work in a newborn nursery on nightshift and it was all catty behavior and little concern for the actual patients. I remember this Leo nurse who made herself Queen B and bitched and complained about everything, including shiite she brought on her own damn self. Someone tipped me off that she wanted to write me up for a minor offense (which I take full responsibility for) I committed, and I hightailed it out of there. My… Read more »

aurora lights
aurora lights

hi pg, i was actually thinking about you, ie. ‘plutonic gem’ the other day…Rather i was thinking about what it must be like to be a plutonic gem, as i was feeling rather down/embarrassed/saturn 12th critical of my own textual gem gabba-ness complexes…which never worried me b4, till i came here and could practice being all my-selves-at-once kinda thing Anyways i thought yes, ‘pg is always so haute, maybe i can learn something from pg, if pg successfully combines gemini with plutonic power i was thinking…Of course i realise too, that you are so much more, astro and human wise,… Read more »

Piscean Closed For Renovation
Piscean Closed For Renovation

“haute switcheroo modes” love it!

aurora lights
aurora lights

: ))

plutonic gem
plutonic gem

“be your own country and sovereign state at work i reckon, civilised and diplomatic and schemey as hell, but v. nice & cool & kind are good 4 the soul i learnt & developed range of haute switcheroo modes coz i’ve dealt with v.v.dff peeps at work for many years, to sum up being haute good & humane & listening most important skills i dev’d in work persona, rewards were soulful from doing so” Hi a.l…. I love this.. and it is empowering to read your words, and think of myself in this way…. while I like the idea of… Read more »

aurora lights
aurora lights

will reply at your last post 🙂

fallen angel
fallen angel

Oh, I’m SO going to have put in my quarter cent for this one. No, make that a flipping dollar, Pgem. First of all, STOP with the self-guilting that you talked out of turn, weren’t as “professional” or “cool” as you’d like to have been. I once had a Toro female boss whom while charming I’d later have to qualify as insane, and she loved to say, Business is business, Personal is personal. It became her mantra to draw the lines, EXCEPT in the end it’s a lot like Wall Street saying the Recession is Business, it’s NOT personal when… Read more »

Piscean Closed For Renovation
Piscean Closed For Renovation

Fallen Angel, you are Fuqing Awesome. That is sound advice for ANYONE. Full of great ideas and funny stuff (starter A-hole, gawd so true).

also even *more* insight into a frenemy now somewhere on the periphery of my life. Dealing with her I now have a mental electronic laser Qi sensor that sets off alarms whenever I start to notice her little tentacles of insecurity creeping around.

aurora lights
aurora lights

yes second Fuqing Awesome !

aurora lights
aurora lights

Came back to say, and i actually had to do it myself, to stick up for two others being bullied at work: Sometimes you just gotta be brave and say what you need to say calmly, up-front, with good intentions and stand your ground, being prepared all the while for the shite by having seriously thought about your personal interests/strategy first. You never have to ‘lose it’ – even if others around you do, if you know deep down you are doing the right thing by your own values for the right reasons. Everyone loves a hero/winner but sometimes being… Read more »

fallen angel
fallen angel

Why fanks lovely peeps. It’s just SO TRUE!!! You come into work excited to Get Things Done, next thing you know you’ve spent the last hour seething over the Office Gaddafi and their latest ploys. It’s even worse when they masquerade as supposed Good Guys. For instance, any time I hear a work peep I suspect is one finally say something like, “Oh, I really believe in being inclusive and getting everyone involved, not being Ex-clusive”, trust me – unless they already have behavior that supports that, the fact that they had to name it means it’s Just Advertising. Yes,… Read more »

aurora lights
aurora lights

Absolutely Fallen Angel, & thanks for the book title hee hee 🙂

I can tell, you so very know, and have lived your words too, a wise one !!! 🙂

plutonic gem
plutonic gem

OH FA… Id pay that….. more like a full session… so much amazing advice… I LOVE THIS Seven, at every moment you will keep the Long View. Think where am I planning to be in x amount of time, and will this person still be there? How do they really factor in on my ambitions? Unless they’re your boss, which it doesn’t sound like it, you’ll find that chances are, if you’re committed to what you’re doing, you will continue to do it well even if you have to do it wherever – as potentially your focus will bring you… Read more »

fallen angel
fallen angel

High Five PGem! And no worries. I had to post because hello, I’ve suffered through all sorts.

It’s Down with the Bullying as far as I’m concerned, it’s not about being Oppositional, it’s about Evolution. I try to remind myself that the strongest energy in any situation is the person with the most clarity.

So the only thing I can control is that. I’m so pleased you feel good about my rather lengthy post, but you just keep at it, and shine.

andromeda
andromeda

Hmm! My charming Aries friend is blunt as an axe when she really wants attention. I can see that in other Aries.

HOWEVER, woe betide the person who stands between attention and my Leo Rising/Leo Moon sister…
But she has Mercury conjunct Lilith and a tongue that drips acid.

The Virgo librarian
The Virgo librarian

I am not sure where is appropriate to post this, my comment is in regard to the Ghandi tweet. ‘First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.’ ( Gandhi) Mystic, I love the Ghandi quote on your twitter but it is sad, no? The sentiment is, IMO, about reaction to truth and fear – people dislike you because you/your words/actions/changes you need to make/fairness you want to restore/whateva scare them or is confronting for them because it requires questioning of deep values and how they think /expect things/people should be. It takes time… Read more »

Taurus Vixen
Taurus Vixen

Leos hands down! Have had several full blown Leos in my life and gawd are they fun. Pick a Leo anytime you want fun or adventure. They can get you in anywhere in matter of seconds, know the most interesting people and most interesting places and events to do. One of my Leo friends even got me into a secret public bar in NYC that people who had lived there all their lives did not know about. Tell her any city and in minutes I will get a list of the coolest places to go there and how to get… Read more »

Michelle
Michelle

Im a triple aries, sun, moon, merc, but the attention description doesnt fit me, im still as shy as a lamb at times, cant remember when i last did a diva act.

anastasia
anastasia

what’s up with the stockings..it is like they couldn’t find any that were all one color? Sag rising as a Libra Sun..I do not upstage by my looks..usually it is some physical task I have performed..

virgo cat
virgo cat

Hilarious. And perfect.

fallen angel
fallen angel

MM sweetie.. so late here, but hope alles gut with the shoulder. Not sure wot happened.. xxxx

Piscean Closed For Renovation
Piscean Closed For Renovation

FA – sword fight. pink ninjas. all very hush-hush.

InchbyInch
InchbyInch

first there was a report about having to take care of “8th house business” (though it wasn’t tax time), and then the report about the stitches. Those are the facts; you may draw your own conclusions.

fallen angel
fallen angel

pink ninjas?? But I was off duty with this eye thingo! Oh, wrong, I’m a red one..d dratted eye drops..

Perhaps a sword fight with more uhm.. interesting swords. Clearly being lasered myself has not affected my dirty fine mind, her her..

Piscean Closed For Renovation
Piscean Closed For Renovation

haha. *muffled lewd reply*

Catsmeow
Catsmeow

For years I felt like a “bad” Leo because I hated being made the center of attention. To this day I feel strangely victimized when there’s a group of eyes on me. It must have everything to do with my Scorpio ascendant because I feel as if they’re violating my privacy. I will volunteer my thoughts when I feel like it, not when you demand it. I swear, the professors that like to force group work and then walk around and ask “Has everyone here talked?” whilst looking pointedly at you… I consider it an invasion. I’m a listener, not… Read more »

fushiafairy
fushiafairy

catsmeow, sounds just like me. quiet and saying too much all in one bundle.

Catsmeow
Catsmeow

I used to be disappointed with it. For years I wanted to be the bubbly type, but I finally realized it just wasn’t me so I came to terms with it. Now I think it’s a good way to be! You’re a Cancer right? Do you have anything in Scorpio/the 8th/12th? And I don’t think upstaging is for Watery folk?

fushiafairy
fushiafairy

yes, sun and saturn conjunction in cancer…..Nothing like saturn to damper the personality…lol. I have moon and venus in 12th house, scorpio north node and IC, jupiter in 8th, and neptune in the 4th. Watery indeed.
I agree, upstaging just isn’t our thing.

Panda Girl
Panda Girl

Saggo here and if I *don’t* upstage like that now (and I’m pretty sure I do…) I’m going to start as of now because it sounds fun! 😀

It makes me sad that I’m offending the Virgos, though. I’ve had a few crushes on guys with Virgo Venuses – doomed to sink them with my joyous abseiling and bawdy humour??

Piscean Closed For Renovation
Piscean Closed For Renovation

I”m with you, panda girl. If some guy / girl can’t handle the extreme Fun and awesomeness of leaping from second storey windows and abseiling AT A PARTY (like duh where else can are you supposed to abseil in the city!!), piss them right off. Not worth the worry…throw them to the librans / cancerians / other virgos (nothing wrong with those signs btw but they are better at sitting around being manicured and polite and sober (or at least, convincingly acting sober.))

fushiafairy
fushiafairy

Have fun Panda girl! Don’t worry about us strong virgo types, we have been known to get our panties in a wad to easily. There are so many strong saggy types who will adore it!

Panda Girl
Panda Girl

Thanks guys! I’m now going to start hunting for an appropriate party building to try out this abseiling idea 🙂

@Fuschiafairy – surely Virgos would have thought ahead and invested in non-bunchable panties?

fushiafairy
fushiafairy

lol…..That is why I just go without alot 😉

Anonymous
Anonymous

you have saggitarians totally nailed, mystic. and i agree with all the others too but i get a bit freaky around extreme stage competition so I kind of float away and just me lovely me somewhere else. BUT..YES to the saggies. It kind of is something I would do (abseil through the skylight) so I.m not very piscean when it comes down to it!

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

New fave tune by Phantogram:

“All you know how to
Do is shake, shake
Keep your body still
Keep your body still
All you do is
Shake shake shake
Keep your body still”

Don’t Move LISTEN UP, MYSTIC XXX

amanda
amanda

oh yeah i agree with that M.M. I was at the markets a few months ago. An aries woman approached me, who looked a bit masculine. I told her i had put on weight and that i had not met any nice men. “No wonder,” She hissed,”Guy’s don’t like fat chicks. They want somebody light, who is almost not even there” and on she raved. I must admit for a while, cause of her, i gave up chocolate and started to lose weight. Then a few weeks later she happened to be at a wedding i was at, with my… Read more »

plutonic gem
plutonic gem

oh god…. what a nightmare of a woman! Its not actually true… men do love women with something to hold onto… men – the many and varied that they are also, love all sorts of shapes and sizes of women… there may be a popularity with deathly thin, but popularity is not the only reality I also had a ‘good’ friend say this to me once, and at the time it really broke me… Ive also had men say other men would be intimidated by me because Im so strong… Truth for me is so many things, but I have… Read more »

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

That story is hilar! You really stirred the pot there, eh? 😆

prowlncrab
prowlncrab

I’d set her on fire.

Oh common she makes lousy narcisstic videos featuring too many wind effects. A bit like her really.

Gneiss Moon
Gneiss Moon

😀 ha !

Savannah
Savannah

Lol! so true

Link
Link

(Kept.) funny word ‘kept’.

Link
Link

Artist/hermit/anarchist with a Libran Moon too.

Link
Link

Stitches and skin do best knitting together neatly when keep relatively still. If you go through the exercise motions in your head with great concentration, apparently you may as well be doing it actually. But most of all . . .

KEEP STILL WOMAN.

Link
Link

The Final Clue. I haz it!

March 18th, 1965. (or 19th) I didn’t think it was going to be 14th March, 1952 the birthday of a friend of mine who has Aqua rising and yes, Mercury in Aries. The worst offence you can commit in his book is to be ‘not very interesting’. He is an artist/hermit/anarchist.

venus a-go-go
venus a-go-go

*stops preening feathers for a moment*

Mars in Leo here. Worn an impossibly fine wasted 50’s frock to a baby shower. Received a surprise package of quality vintage gloves from on of the older ladies, because “I seem to like that sort of thing” (which has mildly miffed the Cancerian Preggers mama… as the lady in question is her husband’s aunt.)
sometimes it’s nice to have a goal. I like having brilliant people around me… it makes me try harder;)

milleunanotte
milleunanotte

a “wasted” 50s frock! Ha ha! I’m not drunk, sir, it’s my dress!

Venus a-go-go
Venus a-go-go

I remainder sober through out. My dress, however, was shitfaced and stole a car, along with someone elses boyfriend;)
(none of this happened. I just ate cake in tiny amounts)

Baristagem
Baristagem

😆

venus a-go-go
venus a-go-go

Remainder gave my lies away…

Suddenly Leo
Suddenly Leo

Upstaging has to be TIMED or it’s not effective and just makes you a target. You’ll be on the radar more than is beneficial, which means that 1) when you DO need to upstage, it will barely be registered because you do it all the time, and 2) people will watch you more carefully, picking up on the times when you’re a slackass.

Effin’ STOP exercising! Breaks are good for the metabolism, anyway!

plutonic gem
plutonic gem

agreed

fushiafairy
fushiafairy

stop on!

fushiafairy
fushiafairy

wow….I really need to edit better, but my brain has been mush due to my illness. I have seen errors in almost everything I write.
I meant to say…..Spot on….what a dyslexic moment.

rah rah ram
rah rah ram

True. With Sun, asc, mercury, mars and venus in aries (moon in virgo) I cant help myself… but I know I’m terrible attention hog so do my best to spread myself around, so friends dont get too sick of it! And I hang out with fire signs, when I can.
Talking about combat/competition, I have some aries friends who have got together this last month and turned getting laid into a competition… Points for this, that, where it occurs etc. How aries is that? I was crying with laughter hearing the results…

Pegasus
Pegasus

Myst, stitches? Poor Baby. My sympathies and heal fast please
and don’t Gallically shrug your shoulders too much 🙂

Ms.
Ms.

yes about those stitches. human limits, rest well x

Pegasus
Pegasus

O yes, THANX for the laugh out loud whilst alone, making my face
become even MORE crinkled 🙂

Agree with the Aries over Leo as have a dear friend Leo Queen with
an real Actor Aries daughter. Bossiness on bossiness is a delight to
behold. The daughter of course getting her own back from the ‘go to bed
NOW’ from the Mother. The 3 of us together, the Cardinal-Fixed-Mutable,
the Mute always give in, how not?
Signed ME.

davidl
davidl

My sister, major sag, if we are both at a dinner or something I have to be sooo careful…she knows all my secrets and will not be paid off.

Piscean Closed For Renovation
Piscean Closed For Renovation

make sure you go easy on the vino for sis if special guests in attendance then dl 😉

Ms.
Ms.

Just before I left I was in the path of a multiple Aries (sun/venus/merc) (and OMG pluto rising) path of attention and it was quite a show. I never seem to attract Aries men (perhaps a lack of damsel?) despite my heavy hitting fire on the femme planets. He also has the most kitsch’ed up ironic style ever, Print on print -red goes faster- loud loud loud baby. Brilliantly magnetic. I cracked up at your description MM, my saggo is so like that. Infact I lived in a warehouse once with a giant swing and we used to have windows… Read more »

Pegasus
Pegasus

The Saggo’s can laugh at themselves, glad to say MS. x
Not so much the Leo’s tho’ methinks from experience and
Aries when grumpy? Hide!

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Yes, I was actually feeling a grump last week as not enough sleep, etc.

Told Pisces coworker “just ignore me” as she seemed concerned.

Hey, at least I can warn when feeling a bitch 🙂

Ms.
Ms.

Totally, ability to laugh at self (and everyone else) awesome. Aries don’t scare me, I grew up in an all female Scorpio house. Religiously date Leo planet peeps

Ms.
Ms.

Though was impressed with certain Aries…

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Think it my Saturn that needs to just process the “grump” alone until Aries pulls out of it. When my kids were little always made sure they knew it was not about them…Mom just needs a little…well, time…in Saturn speak…

So rare I’m a grump that it’s hideously apparent to others. Don’t thro fits and such, just silent…and not smiling…As of course Gem rising Mars usually is…

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

And can usually tell when people pick up my vibe…they cross their arms and don’t come closer..

They dare not? lol

huuuh
huuuh

Hmm. I think we might know the same Aries.

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Sorry, this Aries has a whole lot more finesse than that. Saturn squares and Saturn Moon. Oh I’ll take you down but you won’t see it coming…and when you do, you will be shocked…

But live it up Diana if that is what is important to you and what makes you happy.

Pegasus
Pegasus

‘Justice’ a dish better served cold, yes. x

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

lol….Aries ice killer in and of itself let alone Saturn…lol x

The Leo Socialite
The Leo Socialite

Diana? Are you saying you took out princess diana?

Leo. Guilty, guilty guilty. But a bit more subtle about it since saturn return and less likely to turn on heel and stalk away in made up “scene” if not getting enough attention.

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

If talking to me, no babe….Diana Ross in the pix! lol

fushiafairy
fushiafairy

I had a very close darling Aries sun and Capicorn moon friend in my early 20s, we even traveled long distances together. Never can I imagine her upstaging anyone. She was such a mellow lovely lady.

davidl
davidl

Collateral damage baby, if your in the kill zone ? Hello ? 🙂

Ms.
Ms.

lol

Beatrice
Beatrice

My mom’s an Aries. Your description is soo accurate. She’s 70 now; still does it though. There´s no mistake who is considered the boss in our family:-)

Raché (Aqua/Tauri)
Raché (Aqua/Tauri)

lol

My ex is an Aries and I know many; your description is dead-on.
I love the rams (my Mars is there and I’m a total astro-cliche) but when they do this it just smacks of delusionality.

ArienScorp
ArienScorp

Oh…..isn’t everything in life a combat mission?

I don’t think I upstage my betters. The brightest light should get to shine. The Saggo description made me laugh. I snickered at your stitches story too. Ouch! Um, yes, make MSM into a sort of paste and put it on the stitches area to hopefully prevent scarring from yanking on the stitches too much.

toomuchgoingon
toomuchgoingon

My own mars-pluto-uranus in Virgo won’t allow this Aries to upstage, as much as my Leo asc wants to own it. I’m with Fusiafairy: the Virgo in me just will not allow me to make a tit of myself.

fushiafairy
fushiafairy

lol….Love it. I have jupiter in Aries in the 8th and it squares my saturn who just puts a halt on it. That jupiter comes out to play in secret.

Steph
Steph

Yes, yes, and yes. I’ve just realized I have more experiences with the firey types more than any other signs. their attention-demand is exhausting.

I have an Aries friend, Sun through Venus in Aries, who constantly turns the conversations to herself. Anytime she says something in public, she has to make a huge statement. Mars? Gemini.

davidl
davidl

No no no, the big statement is the conversation starter, just pull the pin on a grenade and lob.

T
T

And instead of listening to what other people are saying, does she just wait for them to take a breath so she can barge in? My Aries mother (whom I love very much, but she also drives me nuts, of course) is like that. She constantly interrupts and can be so rude to people without realizing what she’s doing or how she’s making them feel.

fushiafairy
fushiafairy

weird…I just don’t have any close aries friends. I haven’t since I was a whole lot younger, but they were the more quieter ones with cancer moons and such. It is fun to read about Aries on here, maybe I should find a few to hang out with. My jupiter is in aries, but it squares all my cancer stuff.

toroqueen
toroqueen

dont get in the way of an aries woman trying to upstage when it comes to impressing/seeking attention of males …

fushiafairy
fushiafairy

Thanks for the good laugh before bedtime….
Your description of Saggy upstaging is so spot on. While reading it I realized that when they are in that mode, I don’t care for it when it is my attention they are seeking. My virgoness cringes….

Steph
Steph

Same here, only I’m toro. A Leo guy is currently heavily but subtly (a bunch of Virgo in his chart) trying to get my attention, if that makes any sense. I’ve recognized this as his way of flirting. Kind of annoying, even if it’s not over the top. It’s that me-me-me! aspect that turns me off.

fushiafairy
fushiafairy

Exactly….me-me-me….not thanks. I have so many aspects that make me like the more quiet types myself.

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