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bonsai next to a free tree - art

Koren Shadmi

how poignant is this picture?

Soz in advance for whomever i offend saying this but i have always found bonsai sort of creepy and neurotic.

It seems like deliberate stunting of the tree or plant growth to force it to grow into some pre-determined pattern, not the organism’s natural state or intention at ALL.

In his brilliant book The Gods Of Change (about the transits of Pluto, Uranus and Neptune) Howard Sasportas talks about transits as helping you become more who you are meant to be. It’s a totally important concept. ย Aristotle conjectured it, i think.

He talks about entelechy, the dynamic purpose encoded in us all. ย There is another beautiful example of it here.

Definitely read it pre-New-Moon.

But really, if entelechy is like the magnificent oak tree being contained in the seed and all, what the hell is bonsai but deliberate tree torture?

Pertinent Question: Have you ever tried to Bonsai yourself?

 

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Virgocusper
Virgocusper

I’m a Virgo and been through self-bonsai-ing thing most often in low times. Want to Scorp out. Tres weird though, this post came across my path when contemplating buying a bonsai for my partner also Virgo, for his birthday. Is this maj. fuqed up? I swear we have fun, but two Virgos and a bonsai what the fuq was I thinking!? Cheers Mystic

libra-leo, Aries Moon
libra-leo, Aries Moon

I just bought three goldfish and placed them in a very funky, but perhaps confined bowl… and regretting it. Was just contemplating before reading this post the similarities between gold fish and bonsi ! … I’m totally heading out to purchase them a new deluxe suite!

andromeda
andromeda

That’s good to read LLAM, as a diver I was always amazed by the sheer bravery and joyfulness of small fish. They are real explorers and delight in the movement and flux of a live environment, so it’s nice to hear you are trying to be sensitive to that. If I got fish I would put them in the rain sometimes…

year of the fox
year of the fox

But isn’t a lot of beauty ritual bonsai-ing? Brazilian waxes, shaving, perms, etc….

or also studying for exams?

No one would willingly do those things if there were not a pressing reason for them. If “natural” is always “in” or “good” we’d all be lazy bums who didn’t bother learning how to read or how to take a bath.

Ali B Aqua
Ali B Aqua

Or we could go back to the inca binding of your childs head to make conehead shapes that mimic the beauty of a mountain. ouch.

Rhiannon
Rhiannon

And even worse: Cutting off ears and tails of dogs…

ruth
ruth

Bonsai are like a pet but they live longer and have less repression…they are a plant when all is said and done and when I went to a bonsai nursery I saw ART!! It’s better than having a dog on a leash or a horse under saddle or a non-native cat going feral. Go bonsai!! (I’ve killed 2 so far, but my dog and horses are doing well!)

leogroover
leogroover

Beautiful and poignant comments all round my fellow astro lovelies as I am seriously looking at my bonsai in a new light now. Is it a metaphor for grace under pressure? is it nurture versus nature? is it ugly or beautiful? is it me?
I feel I’ve choked myself lately but is that making me stronger?
mmmmm ponder ponder ponder

andromeda
andromeda

Hasn’t this been a most delightful and surprising thread? I killed a bonsai once, I wish I had just planted it as Libraquarius had done. Feel very sad about it now. Charles’ story is also sweet. What gorgeous people who love nature and it’s children come to write here.

Don’t choke self please btw, you can do some Saturn boundary redefining and I suppose anger is best put on a leash but a groover like yourself and Leonine one at that, have you seen a lion on a leash? Hope all is well in Leogroover world!

Saggisue
Saggisue

Oh yes! Totally let my ex bonsai me..am now regenerating and growing to my full height, depth and breadth…full size me! I too am seriously disturbed by human desire to minimise and tame nature..

ArienScorp
ArienScorp

Trees that grow completely unchecked can, at the least, be far less beautiful than they would with pruning, and at the worst, become very self destrutive with their growth. They will grow suckers and misshapen limbs that don’t have the correct strength for their size. It is not true that following our natural “bent” is best for us. Other factors, like soil and climate, come into to play also. So bonsai is an achievement of channeling the tree’s life force into a beautiful, if minaturized form. The fact the the tree can live as a beautiful thing under such circumstances… Read more »

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

That is beautifully put…

whatevs
whatevs

i think i just fell in love with you

whatevs
whatevs

but don’t freak out neptune is trining my mercury and venus right now I’m also falling in love with gnarled sticks and musty books at the drop of a hat ๐Ÿ˜›

Odette-in-Libra
Odette-in-Libra

ArienScorp, your definition of “beautiful” may not be universal. Certainly healthy is better than self-destructive, but one person’s image of “misshapen limbs” may be another’s striking, strangely beautiful form. I also prefer the idea of people being shaped by their interactions with others, rather than shaped by others – much too often it becomes an intent to shape someone into something they are not, and if they’re too young or accommodating to resist, they end up in a state of ongoing conflict between the way they were molded and their true natures. I’ve seen parks where the maintenance may have… Read more »

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Oh Odette, but it is SO HARD, to not be shaped by other’s. That is what I pray for my Libran gdaugther with Uranus on Aqua MC ffs..

That is what I wish for her..a vision…to see’s above it all..

But that is self mastery and it is not attained without the mirror of others…

Hope I didn’t miss something in your post that you conveyed that I didn’t get but this is so passionate for me. You just don’t know the legacy I wish to leave behind for my girls and gdaugther..It’s my life’s work.

x

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

ha, can’t help but get a giggle..guess this is the nitty gritty of the bonsai, eh?

At least for me…

๐Ÿ˜†

whatevs
whatevs

hehehe i was thinking exactly the same thing sweetie – the bonsai is the catalyst for something deeper to emerge x

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Say, what?

๐Ÿ˜†

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Hell, it’s Sunday morning,.just after midnight and I’m still rockin to “She’s got the look”..

๐Ÿ™‚

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

you are fab whateves…

x

year of the fox
year of the fox

ditto… here’s a story, not by me but i will paraphrase… If you put rough diamonds in a gem tumbler and tumble them the ones with flaws break and shatter. The broken shards and diamond powder provide the grit to polish the diamonds which are not flawed. Not many diamonds can tumble long enough to achieve a state of perfection. Many other diamonds are crushed to dust in the tumbler. The diamonds are like us humans. Flawed humans break and splinter thru the process of life. The broken shards are abrasive irritants which help to grind off the rough edges… Read more »

InchbyInch
InchbyInch

love this, Fox

whatevs
whatevs

You bring up some interesting points OiL. I find parks pleasing but all of them are ultimately contrived, just a larger more spacious version of a bonsai. I feel only a native forest is truly free and even then the act of walking through them alters them irreversibly. What I love though is the way plants prompt people to express themselves whatever form they take. I dream of a world where forests, parks and bonsai to live in peace. Potpourri on the other hand, I have a problem with… ๐Ÿ˜›

year of the fox
year of the fox

Potpurri is just nasty. period. Who thought a bunch of artificially coloured wood chips with some skank dried flowers and eau de stinky would be a good idea?

InchbyInch
InchbyInch

Who thought up this bad idea? Someone with a mal-afflicted Neptune, for sure – the same person who thought up artificial chemical room “fresheners.” I have been known to anonymously remove them from people’s residences and places of business. Figure I am doing a public service.

year of the fox
year of the fox

LOL! I can imagine you stealthily stealing cans of this stuff and trying to haul it off. I am particularly freaked out at the ones that autospray like a robot from the ceiling. It’s like some horrible gas chamber or something when you are in a public restroom trying to do your biz.

InchbyInch
InchbyInch

yup, exactly. removed one of those too ๐Ÿ™‚

ArienScorp
ArienScorp

Hey, this is a late response but I often forget where I commented. LOL No, I am talking actual gardening here — many misshapen limbs are harmful to the health of the tree. Like a V-crotch, if you know what that is. It can cause a limb to tear the whole length of the tree and then its orginal beauty is lost. I understand souless, but that’s where we no more let others decide for us than we refuse others input. I believe it takes both. We cannot always see the beauty in ourselves that others do. Odette, your desire… Read more »

toro
toro

oh! a particularly eccentric virgo friend had a bonsai he cared for for years, then couldnt face it any more, planted it on his parents property in rich volcanic soil expecting it to grow into the vigourous towering specimen of a fig tree it was truly destined to be.

died.
had small box syndrome i guess.

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

oh goodness…giggle…

toro
toro

Traditional bonsai were wild harvested, preserved and revered for their resilience and tenacity. i love the ascetic. taking a perfectly healthy “free-range” tree and clipping and pruning until it has the appearance of a hard life is not true bonsai. The idea was that a tree, no matter what its environment dictates, will reveal its true nature within its form. quite a beautifull thought. and an inspiration to me. To see true bonsai look at any windswept cliff or even in the cracks of old brick work. Beautifull.

puppyloveprincess
puppyloveprincess

bonsai can be weird, but it really (like, reallyreallyREALLY!) creeps me out even more when gardeners turn normal bushes into square and rectangular shaped things like hedges. nature doesn’t look right when it’s super angular like that.

square and rectangular shrubbery is a huge, virgoy pet peeve of mine…

it’s just wrong… and UGLY!

Libraquarius
Libraquarius

I’m with you on that, plp, it looks artificial and ugly, doesn’t it? Talk about control freakery out of control 8)

SaturnRox
SaturnRox

haha I have a stickery bush goes fire red in the fall- the sides are trimmed so I can pass through the fence but I left the top like a fall of dreadlocks I love it and it does too ! My yard is a bit scruffy & natural, like me.
I dig ikebana, it’s a lovely art form. Love the link, also, thnx !

leogroover
leogroover

funny I am looking at a bonsai i was given for my birthday. it is amazing and perfect for my little balcony. of course I would rather be looking at a rainforest of trees on 10 acres in the hinterland with a pool and helicopter to whisk me off to some amazing place but that aint gonna happen so gotta be content. When its a gift its tricky. Got given a few things I didn’t like but accepted with love from my friends and family. the bonsai will prob die I am a serial plant killer but for now it… Read more »

Libraquarius
Libraquarius

Hate bonsai, it’s a distortion of a plant’s energy and growth pattern. Someone gave us a bonsai once, and we re-potted it and allowed it to grow normally. It was in seventh heaven and took off as it was meant to. The person who gave it to us was not too happy, but we loved the fact that the tree reverted to its natural state when given the opportunity. BTW, I love Howard Sasportas, that book of his is terrific stuff, pity he died so young, but he was such a courageous being.

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

With Uranus coming up on Aries bits…thinking I need that book LL!

Libraquarius
Libraquarius

Yes, fascinating reading. Just been going through Liz Greene on Saturn and Relating. All the stuff by Greene and Sasportas makes you dig deep into the well of yourself, doesn’t it?

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Yipes yes…Have that one “Saturn…new look at old devil”..

Brush up always good idea…

year of the fox
year of the fox

I’m going to be the Devil’s advocate today. I’m going to say some people need bonsai-ing. If they were allowed to be the evil fuq-ers who got to do whatever they wanted to anybody without fear of reprisal, that’s exactly what they would do. They don’t put others first and only think of themselves. They have no remorse for anything they do. I think that’s called sociopathic behaviour. Some people’s “natural state” is not good. Ever read Lord of the Flies? ๐Ÿ™ And even for the average-good person, they could use some internal shaping up, maybe not enough to stunt… Read more »

Odette-in-Libra
Odette-in-Libra

Ha! I imagine a reform school for troubled youth – recommendation after the evaluation: “Bonsai ’em.” (Very easy to imagine this turning into a dystopia of “pruned” humans – a little genetic tweak here, a little behavioral modification there…)

year of the fox
year of the fox

it does sound kinky doesn’t it? :p

Buckle (Aries, Pisces Asc, Gem moon)
Buckle (Aries, Pisces Asc, Gem moon)

My mum did bonsai pretty intensely for years.

Overwhelmingly, most bonsai trees were trained out of little cuttings that would have otherwise just been left as mulch, so bonsai was a way of really engaging with the plants.

Mum’d hear of someone cutting back a particular tree or a hedge in their yard, go grab some material that was going to otherwise go to the tip, and away she went, caring for and shaping the trees for years.

Odette-in-Libra
Odette-in-Libra

Now *that* is a use of bonsai that I can get behind! I love the idea of nurturing something discarded into a beautiful & loved thing. The Brooklyn Botanical Gardens have bonsai going back centuries – one is 288 years old! My initial reaction was – impressive, but what would this tree have been if it had simply been planted in the ground & left to its own devices? In general, I prefer the natural to the artificial, especially when it comes to the green world. Absolutely HATE lawns & love meadows. There should be no lawns at all –… Read more »

Odette-in-Libra
Odette-in-Libra

p.s. I’m sure many of you have lawns & don’t fit my description of heartless lawn-enthusiasts. Sometimes my strong opinions run away with my typing.
That said, do consider a meadow lawn one of these days. ๐Ÿ™‚

GemLeoRising
GemLeoRising

Would love a meadow lawn … currently have no grass in the garden as it was burned out in the bushfires in 2003. Landlord decided not to replace it because we were going through drought, so after a few years of bare dirt and weeds I finally decided to plant groundcover … which prompted him to come through and cover everything with wood chip. Oh for a lovely meadow … I’m guessing your lawn enthusiasts are people like my ex father-in-law who prided himself on a lawn that was never more than an inch high and kept well within its… Read more »

Ali B Aqua
Ali B Aqua

Our front yard has been colonised by a small packet of everlasting seeds that after a few seasons are now invading the lawn. yayayayay!

Charles
Charles

I used to sell bonsai trees at my family’s greenhouse. Actually, I used to beg customers NOT to buy them, and they weren’t really true bonsai either, just weirded up juniper plants. But I usually could not talk them out of it. Most people brought them back a month or two later, dead because they didn’t take care of them properly. That’s why I begged them not to buy it in the first damn place. I asked my dad to stop selling them. After enough complaints from stupid plant-killing customers, he finally did stop. But I’ve seen some really awesome… Read more »

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

This gives food for thought Charles as when I read Lynn V. Andrews “Women of the Sacred Garden” (think that was the name of the book)…can’t find it. I don’t recall her speaking of the bonsai per say, but the rock gardens and tea ceremony (and the sorcerer who dogged her lifetime to lifetime and in this particular book there was a head on confrontation with the sorcerer and her teacher after his tea ceremony show down…I think). Never the less, I have not been to Japan but can imagine a certain honor and tradition of the careful pruning and… Read more »

Charles
Charles

LOL I think I mentioned once before, I went to a Lynn Andrews book reading back in like 82, when she was getting a lot of attention from her first book, Medicine Woman. I had to go look it up, now the 25th anniversary edition is like 5 years old. Ha. I can’t believe it was that long ago. But I never read any of her books, this was just something my crazy gf dragged me to. I think the loveliest bonsai I saw were quite natural looking, in a way. They seemed to be like wind-blasted pines or something… Read more »

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Ha, funny Charles. And I do remember our chat out Pisces Lynn many months ago.

You had said the gals at the book signing elbowed their way to the front and you, lone man that you were there, was shuffled to the back of the room.

You seem like a great guy. Thanks for adding your wise self here at Mystic’s x

Charles
Charles

Oh it was a little bit worse than that. I took a seat and was chased away by women who insisted I wasn’t welcome there. They made me sit on the floor way in the back.

unpredictable pisces
unpredictable pisces

yes, my friend has told me this – one inherits bonsai trees that are (human) generations old.

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

I actually find the designs quite pleasing to the eye. Years ago, bought one for the Pisces but it was hard to take care of and it croaked – and he had a green thumb.

No, not if the little angel devas are being clipped yet here where I live the gardners are going full tilt and the devas seem to like the attention as a sea of green and flowers everywhere one looks.

But yes, have clipped on self enough….good point on your tweet there Mystic.

Plaid Sheep
Plaid Sheep

Human bonsai! That is an excellent metaphor. The initial clipping is done by society but then we take over and clip ourselves to keep the shape we think we need to be. As a Pisces North Node this is very familiar to me.

Inger
Inger

In Feng Shui tradition Bonsai is not positive chi….metal to distruct wood.

GeorgeSand
GeorgeSand

I’m completely in synch with you on this. It was my Virgo mother who pointed this out to me when I was a child. She equated it to the Chinese practice of binding women’s feet.

nat
nat

I agree. Removal of freedom is not beautiful to me. As a lover of nature and life-long gardener, bonsai is far too extreme and seems disrespectful to the nature of the living thing that it purports to celebrate. For me it is akin to extremist religious teachings that masquerade as love and compassion but are really about power and control.

Pruning, haircuts, space & order: yes.
Torture & the removal of freedom for self expression: no.

Scorpio Sun/Rising
Scorpio Sun/Rising

You all stay up LATE! (It’s Saturday morning here in the U.S.)

unpredictable pisces
unpredictable pisces

lol. I was up late (2am) doing art homework (sydney) and was happy to see it’s not just me with one eye on the computer as well!

Shula
Shula

totally with you on the bonsai.

Bluesky
Bluesky

agree

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